Serious question: Who here like Johnny Ramone?

[Ronnie Raygun]

Never been a big fan of the Ramones and I think they were overrated.

....and yes. This thread belongs in this forum.

[Emu]

Why's that?

[Ronnie Raygun]

I don't know......I just don't see what the big deal was.....I mean, I understand what they did for that era of music but really......they were horrible musicians....for them to make an impact just shows how shitty that era was for music in general......
....
.....right? or wrong?

[Emu]

I don't see how that makes it belong in this forum. :o

[Ronnie Raygun]

You will.......give it a day or so.

[teh_mastar!]

You're expecting people to make this a political issue?

[Drew Katsikas]

As soon as a liberal says, yes I liked Johnny, he'll go, boo yah, Johnny was a conservative!

[KevinTheOmnivore]

All the cool Ramones are dead.

[El Blanco]

And we still can't get Cher into a goddamned plane crash.

[Abcdxxxx]

Seriously Ronnie, let the guy rest in peace. He was a Republican conservative, but who the hell cares? Nobody liked him for his stock portfolio, or politics, they liked him for being him. Joey Ramone coulda been a kitten killer and people woulda still adored him. His brother is a die hard liberal. I'm sure that means loads to you.

[glowbelly]

oh my goodness, someone can like somebody without agreeing with thier stance on political matters?

HOW CAN THAT BE?

:rolleyes

[mburbank]

I think Jerry Lee Lewis is the bomb. But it's not so much his music as his pro incest child bride stnce that really makes me a fan.

[Protoclown]

Johnny Ramone is still very much alive.

The Ramones kicked ass. They're one of my five favorite bands and I don't think they were overrated in the slightest.

[Bobo Adobo]

The Romones showed how untalented and stupid you can be, and still make it in music. They were the reason punk need a band like the Clash to actually be concidered a genre of music.

They suck ass monkeys, and this should be in the music forum.

[The_Rorschach]

Ronnie is a victim of deductive reasoning. He doesn't yet realize that matters of taste cannot be debated inpartially since conclusions made in regards to such are inherently subjective in nature and thus not open to objective analysis or debate.

I mean, what criteria is there is decide the merit of a band? Record sales? Following? Musical skill or songwriting talent? All of the above? None?

Thank you Ronnie, for another pointless thread which begins nowhere and ends in the air.

I like Johnny Ramone, if only for his cover of the Amazing Spiderman cartoon theme song.

Edit: Oh, and the Clash were a band of contradictory self righteous twits who brought absolutely fuck-all to the 'punk genre.' Now, Iggy or the Velvet Underground on the other hand. . .

[Ronnie Raygun]

"Ronnie is a victim of deductive reasoning. He doesn't yet realize that matters of taste cannot be debated inpartially since conclusions made in regards to such are inherently subjective in nature and thus not open to objective analysis or debate" - RoR

WoW! Look at this!!!!

"Edit: Oh, and the Clash were a band of contradictory self righteous twits who brought absolutely fuck-all to the 'punk genre.' Now, Iggy or the Velvet Underground on the other hand. . ." - RoR

RoR, it look like you've brought "fuck all" to this conversation.

Thanks for nothing.

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My point was this....

http://www.washingtontimes.com/entertainment/20040311-085521-1823r.htm

If you read this article you'll see that Johnny Ramone told Eddie Vedder that he was alienating people by expousing political beliefs while performing. He's like Bono or Chris Martin on a smaller scale. I don't like musicians who try to be politicians or think they have all the answers.....the same goes for hollywood.

Even though I agree with him politically, I think when you are accepting an award for something you've achieved musically, you shouldn't use it as a platfrom to talk about something that has nothing to do music......in other words, don't use it as a platform to divide people. Music and art in general is supposed to be something that brings people together.

[glowbelly]

so why did you start a thread asking who likes or dislikes johnny ramone?

[Ronnie Raygun]

I like to get people on record before hand.

[mburbank]

Well, define your terms!

Barring any other info, one assumes you mean, did you like his music, since he's a musician.

But then you have to wonder what your actual question is since it's in the political forum.

And you STILL have to wonder.

If your point was "I don't like musicians who try to be politicians or think they have all the answers"

The question is "what do you think about Musicians who try to be politicians or think they have all the answers"

Or maybe you meant 'Does the fact that you like a musicians political persona influence your appreciation of their music?'

THAT's an interesting question. My wife can't abide Vanessa Redgrave bcause of her olitical grandstanding. I myself feel she's fine actress and while I think she's a booby politically and overly proud, it doesn't intrfere with my appreciation of her as a dramatist.

And what about celebrities who are also educated authorities on one or more subjcts? Should their celebrity bar them from commentary? Frank Zappa was an excellent musician who also had a solid enough grounding in economics to consult with Vaclev Havel, who by the way was a famous playwrite in addition to being a ppolitical activist. His resume in both fields was lengthy. Harold Pinter is both a world renowned playwrite and screenwriter, and one of the worlds foremost experts on torture. Should he stop being famous or stop speaking out for human rights? Einstein was a world famous scientist, but he was also known for being an ardent zionist, a subjct that has little or nothing to do with political science.

If a pop star want to voice their opinion, more power to them, wether it' Sting or Ted Nugent. Depending on the quality of their research and their presentation, I'll take them seriously or not. If someone feels more inclined to vote for W. because Brittany Spears likes him, or more enclined to vote for Wesley Clark becuase of Madonas support, more fool them. I can think of more thn one anchor man or pundit on TV with less education than Martin Sheen.

This was a dumbass gotcha question.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

No, you like to start irrelevant conversations.

Your assumption that music and art should be a uniter and not a divider is simply that-- an assumption. I think many would disagree with you, including our president, who doesn't even feel that civics is a place to bring people together (only in rhetoric, I suppose).

Good for Johnny Ramone-- he has an opinion. Maybe Johnny can be the pinup boy for that "conservative punks" website OAO posted recently.....:rolleyes

[Ronnie Raygun]

Ok.

Thanks guys.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

No problem.

[Ronnie Raygun]

That's good to know.

[kellychaos]

How about music for it's own sake and fuck all else? I don't know Chic Corea's political viewpoints but his greatest hits CD is on the disk carousel as we speak. I know that if some musician had some extreme political views that diametrically opposed my own, then it would taint my enjoyment of his/her work; therefore I avoid delving into this line of thought as pertains to music. People often disappoint, music never does.

[Ronnie Raygun]

...actually, music sometimes does......quite often in fact.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Weren't you all about Starsailor or something...?

[Ronnie Raygun]

No, that was The Mars Volta.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

No, we BOTH love the mars volta, but YOU like every lame brit-pop band that comes out....

[Helm]

I remember ronnie saying he liked starsailor.

[Bobo Adobo]

[quote=" Now, Iggy or the Velvet Underground on the other hand. . .[/quote]

Since when is The Velvet Underground a punk band?

[Protoclown]

1. The Clash fucking kicked ass.

2. What about political bands? Are you telling me that a band like the Dead Kennedys shouldn't have talked about politics when that was a good part of what they sang about? I'd say Pearl Jam is a fairly political band too, so why would it be out of place at all for Eddie Vedder to voice his opinion on politics?

[kellychaos]

That's a good point. If a band is already political, then the fan base is, consequently, politically-minded and it is part of the reason they enjoy the bands in the first place. From there, it becomes a "chicken and the egg" problem. Is the band popular because people already shared their political views and said band is their voice or did the band push their views and the fanbase become tainted or, in the extreme, become the band's voice? Or am I over-emphasizing the political influence of bands? With the preponderance of "Rock The Vote" commercials I've been seeing, I'd say that I'm pretty close to the mark.

[The_Rorschach]

I don't like baggage handlers who try to be politicians or think they have all the answers.....the same goes for turnips.

[Drew Katsikas]

Edit: Oh, and the Clash were a band of contradictory self righteous twits who brought absolutely fuck-all to the 'punk genre.'

Well, if we're going to talk about this, I hope your signature's some kind of joke.

[Ronnie Raygun]

"I don't like baggage handlers who try to be politicians or think they have all the answers.....the same goes for turnips." - RoR

HAHAHAHA!

You sad fuck.

I'm not a baggage handler.

[The_Rorschach]

Really? You've moved up in the world since you've learned to stand on your hindlegs Ronnie.

And yes, my sig is a joke. :)

[kellychaos]

I don't like baggage handlers who try to be politicians or think they have all the answers.....the same goes for turnips.

Gas station attendants, being well versed in world economics and geo-political issues, know full well why the price of gas per gallon is as high as it is ... seriously.

[The_Rorschach]

Depleted domestic reserves right? I think that is what I read anyway. . . :(

[Ronnie Raygun]

"Really? You've moved up in the world since you've learned to stand on your hindlegs Ronnie." - RoR

Moved up? How elitist of you.

[The_Rorschach]

Don't let my lack of social scruples fool you Ronnie, I've always been an elitist. Weeping, creeping Christ, I drive a Jaguar. I am an admitted Anglophile.

Ever have I ascribed to aristocratic and patrician ideals, principles and tastes.

[Ronnie Raygun]

At least you're man enough to admit it.

Bravo!

[The_Rorschach]

You say that as though its something I shouldn't be proud of.

Curious.

[Ronnie Raygun]

....and?

[kellychaos]

I'd be elitist too if I could afford it.

[Anonymous]

So was the big secret in the thread supposed to be that Johnny Ramone was a conservative, or is there more?

[kellychaos]

That and the KKK stole his girlfriend away. :(

[glowbelly]

BABY >:

[Perndog]

Music and art in general is supposed to be something that brings people together.

Who the fuck wrote that rule?