I sure hope you Christians are right about Heaven...

[Immortal Goat]

A friend of mine died in a car crash over the weekend, and it's kinda tough dealing with it. I was never really that into religion, but like I said, I hope that those of you that are Christian are right about Heaven. He deserves it. :(

EDIT: He was only 18, and two other people (both younger) died in the same crash. The other people that were in the car are in intensive care.

[AChimp]

Are you a Hickman character, or vice versa? :(

[Immortal Goat]

I'm his brother. I thought everyone knew that.

[AChimp]

Everyone knows that brothers are characters. >:

[Immortal Goat]

:rolleyes :(

[AChimp]

Are you going to at least get some of your friends stuff?

[Immortal Goat]

We weren't close enough. We were friends, but only in a school setting. He had closer friends that he played football with and stuff. The sad thing is, the driver survived, and that means that he will probably be charged with vehicular manslaughter. I think the grief he's going to go through is bad enough without people blaming him for the deaths.

[AChimp]

If he was drunk then he deserves what he gets, and more. >:

And the people are kinda dumb for getting in with him, if he was. :(

[Immortal Goat]

Everyone was sober.

[AChimp]

Then there's no way the charges will really stick. Shit happens. :S

[Perndog]

They don't charge drivers, especially juveniles, for manslaughter unless someone comes up with a good reason why the driver was at fault. If no one was drunk, I doubt the driver will get the blame.

[Immortal Goat]

They were speeding. :( It was foggy. :(

[El Blanco]

Sorry about your friend, dude.

About the driver, its doubtful he will face criminal charges unless he did something outrageously wreckless.

A civil case, on the other hand, may be in his future.

[Perndog]

Oh, and there is no Hell. So at least no one's suffering. :)

[Royal Tenenbaum]

Hey Achimp, shut the fuck up! Someone actually died man.

About the Heaven thing; there isn't one. Or maybe there is. But God's dead either way, so I suppose it would be pretty anarachic up there. Some sweet orgies may be occuring though.

[phnompehn]

I lost someone in a car accident back in November...

http://www.nbc-2.com/news/stories/archive/2003/112603-student_killed.shtml

I was there too. I was in my best friend's TransAm, and these two girls were in a red honda next to us, one of which was my friend's girlfriend. On the way to a Starbucks we were fooling around and their car slammed into a tree. His girlfriend (the driver) lived, but the other was killed upon impact.

The worst thing is, I was going to ask her out at the Starbucks. She would've actually said yes too.


But life goes on. I don't believe in heaven or hell, and even if there was one, I doubt that god or whatever would be a big enough bitch to send an innocent to anywhere bad.

[kahljorn]

She died cause you're an ugly fuck and don't deserve anyone.

[Protoclown]

Goat, I'm sorry to hear about your friend.

Kahl: Shut the fuck up, Penislady.

[The_Rorschach]

Khal made me laugh :(

[Immortal Goat]

Thanks, guys. And I agree with Perndog about Hell, but at times like this, I can't help but think "what if I am wrong in my beliefs about Heaven and Hell?" I am even doubting an afterlife right now, but that will pass, I am sure.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

I understand what you're going through. Send me a PM if you want to talk.

[El Blanco]

Thanks, guys. And I agree with Perndog about Hell, but at times like this, I can't help but think "what if I am wrong in my beliefs about Heaven and Hell?" I am even doubting an afterlife right now, but that will pass, I am sure.

Not to be preachy or anything, but do you want it to pass? Should you go back to your old way of thinking?

I always thought an event like this should get a person to change.

[Perndog]

If every atheist found faith after losing a friend or relative, the world would be a lot more religious than it is now.

[Immortal Goat]

I find comfort in my belief system, and my friend's death isn't going to change it. All I was saying was that I was thinking things like "what if there IS no afterlife and I'll never be able to see him again, like I hope I can?" But, if my beliefs are true, then he's already either found eternal rest or is back here on earth to try it again.

P.S. Thanks, Cosmo. If I ever need to talk about it, I'll PM you. I am going to his calling hours in a little while. I can't make the funeral,though. :( It's this Saturday, and I have the ACT to take. I have delayed that too long.

[The One and Only...]

"GOD IS DEAD" - Nietzche

"NIETZCHE IS DEAD" - God

[Sethomas]

"Nietsche was stupid and abnormal" - Tolstoy

[Emu]

War and Peace is a thick book.

[pjalne]

GOOD ONE, OAO

Sorry, Goat :(

[El Blanco]

If every atheist found faith after losing a friend or relative, the world would be a lot more religious than it is now.

I didn't mean it like that. I am not even sure of his faith.

I'm just saying that an event like this sometimes drives a person to be a little more introspective.

[Brandon]

"GOD IS DEAD" - Nietzche

"NIETZCHE IS DEAD" - God
OMGYOU'RESOFUNNY!

Did you think that one up yourself or did you just see it on a bumper sticker? :)

[Immortal Goat]

Just got back from the calling hours. I was hoping to make it without crying, but I couldn't. The funny thing is that I didn't cry when I saw the body. It was when they brought in his old football uniform in a frame that it really hit me that he was never going to wear it again. Not that you would know it, but I don't cry, and I couldn't help myself. I cried myself dry, and I'm not ashamed of it. I don't care who knows it.

[AChimp]

What if the girl you like found out? >:

[Cosmo Electrolux]

>: she would have blown him in the coffin showroom >:

[Immortal Goat]

My girlfriend wouldn't have cared. She would have been crying right there, too. She knew him as well, but she can't handle funeral homes.

[AChimp]

Psst! This is the part where you say, "Oh yeah! I wasn't crying. Stiff upper lip, dude!"

[Protoclown]

There's nothing wrong with crying.

[Jeanette X]

A friend of mine died in a car crash over the weekend, and it's kinda tough dealing with it. I was never really that into religion, but like I said, I hope that those of you that are Christian are right about Heaven. He deserves it. :(

EDIT: He was only 18, and two other people (both younger) died in the same crash. The other people that were in the car are in intensive care.

You have my condolences. :( PM me or message me on AIM if you want to talk.

[ArrowX]

Not meaning to be a dick but IMO Faith is just a state of mind and/or False comfort that there is something after death even eternal suffering is better than just ceasing to exis isn't it?

[liquidstatik]

If every atheist found faith after losing a friend or relative, the world would be a lot more religious than it is now.
Would that be such a bad thing?

[kellychaos]

Not meaning to be a dick but IMO Faith is just a state of mind and/or False comfort that there is something after death even eternal suffering is better than just ceasing to exis isn't it?

There is nothing in the Bible that says that souls are immortal. Nothing.

[Perndog]

liquidstatik: Yes, it definitely would.

[The One and Only...]

OMGYOU'RESOFUNNY!

Did you think that one up yourself or did you just see it on a bumper sticker? :)

Umm... that's actually a line which came out during Nietzche's life... I think he even responded to it...

Oh well. Nietzche went insane anyway.

[liquidstatik]

liquidstatik: Yes, it definitely would.
:(

[The_Rorschach]

I'm an Irish Protestant, but I'll admit, I have moments where I would rather worship Entropy.

:Schopenhauer

[FromThe13thFloor]

Not meaning to be a dick but IMO Faith is just a state of mind and/or False comfort that there is something after death even eternal suffering is better than just ceasing to exis isn't it?

..Said the guy who misspelled Suicide.