American Beheaded in Iraqi video

[mburbank]

Horor follows horror.

This is why we must ensure that we are better. This is why we have to make extreme efforts to not engage in savagery, beyond the already inherent savagery of war.

So there is an absolutely clear boundary between us and people who would cut off a man's head as an act of vengance.

We assume that the Iraqis who did this , and the iraqis who danced around dead american bodies are more than just a few bad apples. I promise you, they think the same of us.

If we can't clearly show beyond a shadow of a doubt that we are offering a better way than we will simply trade horror for horror until everyone is dead.

[mesobe]

where is this video?

and I expected the Iraqis to parade around the charred remains of those american contracters. I would do the EXACT same thing if some rich foreign country leveled my home for unjust and lied about reasons then pay someone from the SAME country about 100,000US a year to rebuild the place (Like they would pay a local that much to do the same job). 10,000 lost civilians, lost property and lost income...Id be pretty pissed too.

The americans attacked Iraq in vengance towards the terror attacks in NY. (even though there is no fucking proof of this). So the people of Iraq sacrificed 10,000 of their people (as opposed to about 4,000 lost in NY) for something they don't have anything to do with. most of us don't buy that WMD / Freedom / Terror bullshit anyways.

[Jeanette X]

http://www.albawaba.com/news/index.php3?sid=276666&lang=e&dir=news

It was done in retaliation for the prisoner abuse.

[Ronnie Raygun]

No Jeanette.

They cut off the head of Richard Pearl over a year ago before this ever came out.

[Jeanette X]

No Jeanette.

They cut off the head of Richard Pearl over a year ago before this ever came out.

No, that was in Pakistan. This was in Iraq.

[Ronnie Raygun]

IT WAS AL QUEDIA!!!!!!!!

What difference does it make what country it was in?

[ziggytrix]

Yeah, come on Jeanette. It was just the annual Al Queda Infidel Decapitation party. Had nothing to do with the Amreican control of a Middle Eastern prison or any scandal going on there. :P

[Ronnie Raygun]

Of course it didn't.

Muslim extremeists have been beheading people for thousands of years.....

If that's your point of view, why was Richard Pearl beheaded....other than being a Jew.

Maybe they predicted the prison scandal???

[thebiggameover]

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAQ?SITE=SCAND&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

i think ap has the video, but i couldn't get it to play...

[AChimp]

So why do they say IN the video that it was done in retaliation for the prison scandal? :/

[punkgrrrlie10]

I find it speculative that they wouldn't have beheaded another American anyway...despite the prison scandal. They obviously have no qualms about brutally murdering civilians. Fucking pussies. If the prison scandal wouldn't have happened they still would've found a cause...It would've been some BS about us being infidels and imperialists and how we suck so...RIP guy. At some point they'll all be caught or dead.

[ziggytrix]

Muslim extremeists have been beheading people for thousands of years.....

Oh, so only Muslim extremists cut people's heads off? And they do it for no apparent reason other than being filthy Muslims, is that it?

I don't understand you at all.

[Ronnie Raygun]

"So why do they say IN the video that it was done in retaliation for the prison scandal?" - Chimp

To give ammo to the left to hurt Bush and win the war on terror.

[punkgrrrlie10]

To say that voting in the left is losing the war on terror...man you are seriously on some crack.

[Ronnie Raygun]

No, you are.

Enough damage was done under Clinton. I doubt our country would survive 4 more years of the left in control of our national defenses.

Not to mention that terrorists along with euro socialists want Kerry to win.

[ziggytrix]

US AND THEM

That's all there is in this world, isn't there?

[Ronnie Raygun]

I disagree with you, ziggy.

I don't think so.

[ziggytrix]

That's not the impression I get from what you post here. *shrug*

[DamnthatDavid]

Not to mention that terrorists along with euro socialists want Kerry to win.

Kerry might be a war hero, but he still a pussy.

Bush is just a moronic Cowboy.

During times like this, you need a level headed man who can fight, but still make smart decicions. We need someone like JFK.

[mburbank]

On an interesting sidelight, this poor bastard would have been in the USA , not Iraq if the US army controlled Iraqi police had not thrown him in jail without charge, access to council or a phone for 15 days.

And no, Naldo, I'm not saying that means it was nice to cut off his head.

I think you need to move further to the right. You're not enough of a huge reactionary yet.

[Bennett]

BEST ARGUEMENT EVER

No, you are.

comes out of the gate firing w/unmatched mix of wit and logic.

Enough damage was done under Clinton. I doubt our country would survive 4 more years of the left in control of our national defenses.

god knows our country couldn't survive if the entire international community didn't despise us. Not to mention all those attacks we suffered under Clinton.... wait, why are we talking about Clinton again? Oh yeah, because you're a deranged conservative who can't get over the fact that the former president gets more strange minge than you ever will.

Not to mention that terrorists along with euro socialists want Kerry to win.

I just read about the Al-Quaida cell in the Southern States... they're trying to get themselves naturalized so the can vote for Kerry... I tell you this shit is scary.

[mesobe]

No Jeanette.

They cut off the head of Richard Pearl over a year ago before this ever came out.

AND HE DIDNT GET HIS HEAD CUT OFF. HE HAD HIS THROAT SLASHED

[Spasmolytic]

"So why do they say IN the video that it was done in retaliation for the prison scandal?" - Chimp

To give ammo to the left to hurt Bush and win the war on terror.
So Al Qaeda is all about empowering the leftists in America now? Wow, I wasn't aware of this radical shift in ideology. LOL

[Abcdxxxx]

No Jeanette.

They cut off the head of Richard Pearl over a year ago before this ever came out.

AND HE DIDNT GET HIS HEAD CUT OFF. HE HAD HIS THROAT SLASHED

The Pearl killing was identical, including holding the decapitated head for the camera.

Obviously this was in retaliation, but these are people who don't really need an excuse to do this stuff.

Keep in mind ...The executioners in the video do not have Iraqi accents.

[Ronnie Raygun]

ABCDXXXXX, WE DON"T WONT NO FACTS ROUND HERE!!!!

[ziggytrix]

His facts are still contrary to your moronic assertion that this has nothing to do with the prison scandal.


as for this gem:
"these are people who don't really need an excuse to do this stuff."

No one who prefesses a belief in a higher power could do something so heinous without an ironclad rationalization.

[Deadsy]

http://poststuff.entensity.net/051204/media.php?media=iraq2vediom.wmv is a direct link to the video, if the biggameover's link didn't work.

[derrida]

The snuff film as terrorism? I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes more prevalent in the years to come. A simple kidnapping of a non-V.I.P. is a common occurence even in the US, and is far more economical than bombings or conventional assasinations.

The effectiveness of a terrorist attack lies not in the extent of physical violence applied to a concrete target but in the occurence's successful transformation into narrative replicated by mass media.

The inherent theatricality of the act (combined with the in-sourcing of an on-location and all-knowing camera crew, so to speak) makes it an ideal candidate for the evening news, far moreso than "death tolls" and the images of burnt-out cars and urban architecture indistinguishable from thousands of other images of burnt-out cars and urban architecture that terrorism is currently using. Here, the site of violence is not reduced to an abstration of numbers and a pastiche of crumbling reinforced concrete and unidentifiable bloody gristle.

[mesobe]

I find it speculative that they wouldn't have beheaded another American anyway...despite the prison scandal. They obviously have no qualms about brutally murdering civilians. Fucking pussies. If the prison scandal wouldn't have happened they still would've found a cause...It would've been some BS about us being infidels and imperialists and how we suck so...RIP guy. At some point they'll all be caught or dead.

Just as the Americans did when they invaded the country. Just trying in vain to justify the reasons. Atleast the dirty muslims don't keep changing the reasons.
EDIT: these guys are fighting a war that the US started. so BOOHOO if they arnt fighting it with billion dollar weapons.

[punkgrrrlie10]

You make it sound like they are justified...and who are they fighting the War against exactly by killing one person, a civilian who would have no effect really on their "war", in response to prison abuse which was going on before the U.S. was there? I could go out and grab a stray dog and kill it , put it on video tape and say "hey, bush this is your fault". Would it make a difference? What did the pup have to do with it other than just being an easy target? And which war is it we started exactly? The war on terah? the war in iraq? Afghanistan? Are we going back to cold war days when we armed afghanis against the soviet? Could you be a bit more specific?

[Ronnie Raygun]

"EDIT: these guys are fighting a war that the US started. so BOOHOO if they arnt fighting it with billion dollar weapons." - mesobe

When did the war start mesobe? So we deserved 9/11......and the 93' WTC bombing? I think this statement defines you as a person.

[Drew Katsikas]

Mesobe is a bonafide shithead.

[Abcdxxxx]

Well the two incidents *are* apparently related because of the timing, and because that's the message on the tape these fuckheads want us to believe. The orange Gauntanemo jumpsuit isn't a coincedence either, and whatever the case, he was singled out for being an American.

On the other hand, Berg was kidnapped prior to the scandal outbreak, and there seems to be some breaking news about him having family in Iraq, a whole mess of contact with the FBI, and more paralels to the Daniel Pearl murder with the information that he was a religious Jew. There's something we're not being told.

Edit: Worth noting... Al Jazeera just recently broadcast footage of Hamas holding the decapitated head of a murdered IDF soldier. The recent murder of a pregnant woman in Gaza was videotaped at close range while she was dying.

[ScruU2wice]

To give ammo to the left to hurt Bush and win the war on terror.


So the war on terrorism is really leftist america vs. Bush :rolleyes
I swear your trying to villify liberals more than the terrorists.

I think they would've cut off someones head, even if there was no prisoner scandal. They impaled several americans in fallujah before and They did murder richard pearl in pakistan a year ago.

These insergents work upon pure emotion. They dance atop of cars they've burned, Not the most logical thing. And they kill americans just because they associate america with the pillage of their land and culture...

[Ronnie Raygun]

"AND HE DIDNT GET HIS HEAD CUT OFF. HE HAD HIS THROAT SLASHED" - Mesobe

Hmmm.....and you seemed so sure of yourself.

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article6173.htm

Mesobe, you are a liar with NO credibility.

[mesobe]

"EDIT: these guys are fighting a war that the US started. so BOOHOO if they arnt fighting it with billion dollar weapons." - mesobe

When did the war start mesobe? So we deserved 9/11......and the 93' WTC bombing? I think this statement defines you as a person.

IRAQ DIDNT ATTACK NY YOU FUCKHEAD

[mesobe]

"AND HE DIDNT GET HIS HEAD CUT OFF. HE HAD HIS THROAT SLASHED" - Mesobe

Hmmm.....and you seemed so sure of yourself.

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article6173.htm

Mesobe, you are a liar with NO credibility.

I WAS TALKING ABOUT PERAL, YOU FUCK HEAD. I ALREADY SAW THE FUCKING VIDEO

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/murder/iraq2vediow.zip

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, GUYS

[Ronnie Raygun]

Pearl's head was cut off in the same manner.

So you're still a liar.

[mesobe]

yeah the same manner... as in the same kind of weapon was used. you fuckhead. I saw the pearl video too

[Abcdxxxx]

Mesobe - Since you seem to be an expert in decapitation, what was the actual difference between the two? A duller knife? The manner in which these two were murdered has more in common then the choice of weapon, wouldn't you say?

[mesobe]

oh.. and speaking of horrific acts of murder... (http://www.warblogging.com/iraq-apache.mpeg)

[mesobe]

Mesobe - Since you seem to be an expert in decapitation, what was the actual difference between the two? A duller knife? The manner in which these two were murdered has more in common then the choice of weapon, wouldn't you say?

what the fuck is your problem? "a decapitation expert"... right.

[Ronnie Raygun]

I guess Mesobe can't answer ABC's question.

[mesobe]

I dont answer stupid questions :)

maybe you should start aswering some of the questions in the threads youve created with all that bullshit.

[Ronnie Raygun]

I have.

So ABC just kicked your ass then.

Good job ABC....

[Stabby]

CONSERVATIVES CELEBRATE BEHEADING OF AMERICAN NICK BERG
...is what I would title this if I was prone to giving in to that sort of thing:

http://www.breakfornews.com/NickBergEnemiesList.htm

[mesobe]

I have.

So ABC just kicked your ass then.

Good job ABC....

pussy conservative

[Abcdxxxx]

Might be good to wait a few days and then post up the nutty theories all at once. So he was mistaken for his dad who was "on the list" and then executed by covert US agents posing as Islamic extremists. Sounds Conversative to me! Wait, huh? The one where he was a suspected Mossad agent carring an Israeli stamped passport is getting some play on Indymedia. I bought that for a second, but they would never use an American, ever.

His dad is somehow connected to ANSWER, his dead sister was married to an Iraqi, and the Arabic press are censoring/minimizing coverage of the story. Interesting but... who knows.

[ScruU2wice]

Hey ronnie I guess you're right. So it makes us being in iraq and than abusing prisoners. I mean everything that the government does is justified, right?

So they both got there heads cut off, Does this link iraq to Al-qaeda? Does this justify us harrassing Iraqi prisoners? Even the administration admitted that iraq had no link to Al Qaeda. And just because someone does to us doesn't make it right to do to them

I have lost all respect for you ronnie, you make everyone that isn't a conservative the enemy. You made a conversation about the horrible murder of people in iraq a tag team wrestling match about how you are right and mesobe is wrong.

[Abcdxxxx]

Even the administration admitted that iraq had no link to Al Qaeda. .

I'm pretty sure they just admitted then couldn't prove a definitive link. That's different.

[mesobe]

Even the administration admitted that iraq had no link to Al Qaeda. .

I'm pretty sure they just admitted then couldn't prove a definitive link. That's different.

:lol if you cant prove something, then that something doesnt exsist. Its the EXACT SAME THING.

How the fuck did they know then? Did they consult Gandalf and gaze into the all-seeing eye? Maybe God sent Bush a message in the form of a wonderful dream! I cant believe you buy the bullshit man.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

I have lost all respect for you ronnie, you make everyone that isn't a conservative the enemy. You made a conversation about the horrible murder of people in iraq a tag team wrestling match about how you are right and mesobe is wrong.

So Scru just kicked your ass then, Ronnie.

Good job Scru....

[Buffalo Tom]

Okay, this video is perhaps the most disturbing thing I have ever seen or heard. The people who did this should be caught and punished to the full extent of human law, as should coalition personnel who have allegedly abused Iraqi civilians.

However, I implore everyone to not scream for 'eye for an eye' vengeance. It will only lead to a world full of blind people, as Ghandi said.

[Protoclown]

I concur, the video was insanely horrible to watch. But "kill 'em all" isn't the appropriate response to this, and it's a response I feel far too many people are going to have.

[punkgrrrlie10]

I hear they are saying the video was al zarqawi now. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=2&u=/ap/20040513/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_american_beheaded_2

[ranxer]

this threads quite a mess.

i find it really annoying that some people still link Alqueda with Iraq and link 9/11 with Iraq.. as has been said many times.. Al Queda was not in Iraq until we attacked the place.. um, unless you are reading what passes for news from the conservatives.

"but they would never use an American, ever. "
they (from my studies) use whoever, wherever they want.. how would you know abcxx? i don't think he was an agent but the Moss use people even without thier knowledge. the stamp in his passport probably indicates that he was NOT an agent.. they don't make mistakes like that very often.

[Abcdxxxx]

Even the administration admitted that iraq had no link to Al Qaeda. .

I'm pretty sure they just admitted then couldn't prove a definitive link. That's different.

:lol if you cant prove something, then that something doesnt exsist. Its the EXACT SAME THING.

Eh? Admitting you can't prove something, and admitting it doesn't exist at all are two very different things. Is that a hard concept for you Mesobe? It's not the admission you're pretending it is. Our administration has yet to admit it doesn't exist, which is why we're still passively searching for WMD and connections.

[Abcdxxxx]

"but they would never use an American, ever. "
they (from my studies) use whoever, wherever they want.. how would you know abcxx?

Ranx, we've already established that your studies and paranoia regarding Israel and Mossad are heavy on bullshit.

Mossad isn't even the real covert agency within Israel anymore. Mossad uses Arab Israelis and Kurds with perfect dialects, in places like Iraq, and they usually travel with Jordanian passports. Israel doesn't utilize American Jews , let alone those of dissident parents, because of the possible security breaches. I have plenty of anecdotes of just how distrustful Mossad is of Americans there.