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mburbank
May 20th, 2004, 11:10 AM
Who let bin Ladens leave U.S.?
By Alexander Bolton
-The Hill

The Bush administration has refused to answer repeated requests from the Sept. 11 commission about who authorized flights of Saudi Arabian citizens, including members of Osama bin Laden’s family, from the United States immediately after the attacks of 2001.

Former Rep. Lee Hamilton (D-Ind.), vice chairman of the independent, bipartisan commission, disclosed the administration’s refusal to answer questions on the sensitive subject during a recent closed-door meeting with a group of Democratic senators, according to several Democratic sources.

However, former Navy Secretary John Lehman, a Republican appointee who also attended the meeting, said in an e-mail to The Hill that he told the senators the White House has been fully cooperative.

Democrats suspect President Bush, who met privately with the Saudi Arabian ambassador, Prince Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdul Aziz, on the morning of Sept. 13, 2001, may have personally authorized the controversial flights, several of which took place when all other U.S. commercial air travel had been halted.

The White House communications office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

If Bush or members of his inner circle are shown to have approved the flight of the prominent Saudi Arabian citizens, it could be damaging to Bush, who has staked his re-election campaign in large measure to his carefully built image as the steady leader of the war against terrorism.

Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) said she asked Hamilton and Lehman if they were able to find out who in the administration authorized the Saudi Arabian flights.
“Who did this? Why would the Saudis want to get out of the country? They said [those questions have] been part of their inquiry and they haven’t received satisfactory answers yet and they were pushing,” Boxer said.

Another Democrat in the meeting who confirmed Boxer’s account reported that Hamilton said, “We don’t know who authorized it. We’ve asked that question 50 times.”

Boxer said she obtained a commitment from Hamilton that the commission will state in its final report if the White House refused to answer questions about who authorized the Saudi flights after the 2001 attacks.

Hamilton, who was traveling to New York for commission hearings scheduled for today and tomorrow, could not be reached for comment.

Al Felzenberg, the commission’s spokesman, declined to comment because he said he was not familiar with the discussions with the Democratic senators.

Last month, the Sept. 11 commission released a statement declaring that six chartered flights that rushed the Saudi citizens out of the country were handled properly by the Bush administration.

In a recent interview on NBC’s “Meet The Press,” Prince Bandar said he did not discuss with Bush the need to evacuate Saudi citizens from the U.S. after Sept. 11. He said he asked the FBI for permission.

However, John Iannarelli, the FBI’s spokesman on counterterrorism activities, has denied the FBI had any “role in facilitating these flights one way or another.”

Bill Harvey, a member of the Families Steering Committee, which represents the families of the victims of the Sept. 11 attacks, said the lack of White House cooperation on identifying who authorized the Saudi flights, fit into a pattern.

Pressure from the Families Steering Committee was one of several factors that prompted the White House to agree to the creation of the Sept. 11 commission.

“I stopped being surprised about this a long time ago,” said Harvey, whose wife died in the attack on the World Trade Center. “They’ve not been cooperative. There’s cooperation and then there’s cooperation. Are they doing things under possible threat of subpoena? Yes. Are they actively fulfilling the spirit of the commission’s requests? No.”

“The White House was opposed to the formation of this commission in the first place,” said Harvey. “They did everything to neuter it. Earlier this spring when we tried to get more time for [the commission to complete its report], the White House was an obstacle.”

On the afternoon of Sept. 13, 2001, three Saudi men in their early 20s flew in a Lear jet from Tampa, Fla., to Lexington, Ky., where they boarded a Boeing 747 with Arabic writing on it waiting to take them out of the country. The flight from Tampa to Lexington was first reported in the Tampa Tribune in October 2001.

Earlier that day, the FAA had issued a notice that private aviation was banned and that three private planes that had violated the ban had been forced to land by military aircraft, according to an article late last year in Vanity Fair.

The flight from Tampa to Lexington was one of several flights that Saudi Arabian citizens took in the immediate aftermath of Sept. 11, when the rest of the country was prohibited from flying. Many of the Saudis were members of the Saudi royal family or the bin Laden family.

The New York Times has reported that bin Laden family members were driven or flown under FBI supervision to a secret meeting in Texas and then to Washington, from where they left the country when airports were allowed to open Sept. 14, 2001.
Overall, close to 140 Saudis left the U.S. days after the attacks, even though 15 of the 19 terrorists who carried out the Sept. 11 attacks were Saudi Arabian.

By contrast, prominent Americans such as former President Clinton and former Vice President Al Gore were stranded overseas during the crisis because of the freeze on air travel, Craig Unger wrote in his 2004 book, House of Bush, House of Saud.

Bin Laden’s family has long disassociated itself from Osama bin Laden, head of the al Qaeda terrorist network, which was behind the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11. The family has condemned the attacks.

Nevertheless, many critics believe that law enforcement officials should have questioned the family members for any leads they might have been able to provide about bin Laden’s whereabouts, his connection to the attacks, or about possible future attacks.

The commission is scheduled to deliver its final report at the end of July.

El Blanco
May 20th, 2004, 04:29 PM
Its kind of hard to answer questions about an event that never happened.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flight.htm

mburbank
May 20th, 2004, 04:45 PM
From the web site you linked to:



* In the two days immediately following the September 11 terrorist attacks on America, the U.S. government allowed bin Laden family members to fly within the country during a general ban on air travel: True.
* During that same period the U.S. government allowed bin Laden family members to fly out of the U.S.: Undetermined.


I
owe Michael Moore an apology. In a January 2002 interview with Al D'Amato and Alan Colmes of the FOX Network, Michael Moore said:
Why did this country allow the bin Laden family, two days after — two days after September 11 — to fly around America and pick up all the bin Laden relatives, about 24 of them, and take them to Europe? Not a single one of them was interrogated by the FBI.
That set me off on a tirade, and it shouldn't have. Part of Mr. Moore's statement has since been proved to be correct — during the ban on air travel, some Saudis (including members of the bin Laden family) were transported by air to assembly points in the U.S. in preparation for their leaving the country. In an earlier version of this article, I ranted and raved about his avowing bin Laden flights had taken place while no one was allowed to fly. Yet some did, at least within the U.S.

Now admittedly, I cherry picked those quotes, but I read the whole piece. The sections I quoted, I think, Leave plenty of egitimate questions.

El Blanco
May 20th, 2004, 04:51 PM
It also answered them. They were in no way involved with al Queda. They had a legitimate fear of being attacked and they were detained and questioned by the Feds. Would you feel better if some of them had been lynched?

The commision was demanding to know why they were allowed to leave the country when no one else was. That simply didn't happen.

ArrowX
May 20th, 2004, 05:37 PM
I thought this thread would have a pic Of Super-Laden :(

sspadowsky
May 20th, 2004, 05:42 PM
Out, vermin! OUT! Keep your vileness in General Blabber and never befoul this place with your presence again.

mesobe
May 20th, 2004, 06:01 PM
what the fuck is snopes anyways.

El Blanco
May 20th, 2004, 06:02 PM
They look into urban legends and rumors. Did you bother to look at the sites main page?

Ronnie Raygun
May 20th, 2004, 06:28 PM
Thanks for posting this, Blanco.

mesobe
May 20th, 2004, 06:52 PM
and if it didnt happen, why didnt bush just say so?

mesobe
May 20th, 2004, 06:53 PM
They look into urban legends and rumors. Did you bother to look at the sites main page?

they "look into" "urban legends and rumors". Why dont you start posting news articles from the onion while your on a roll.

El Blanco
May 20th, 2004, 06:55 PM
Why not look at the site and see the sources they credit? Do you try to be look like a retard or is it accidental?

mesobe
May 20th, 2004, 06:59 PM
why dont you look at the fucking resources everyone else credits? or are you just a hypocritical dumbass

Ronnie Raygun
May 20th, 2004, 07:03 PM
HAHAHA! Mesobe didn't see the sources cited in the article you posted, Blanco.

:) :)

mesobe
May 20th, 2004, 07:11 PM
HAHAHA! shutup


:) :/ :) :/ :( :)


go eat a corndog

Ronnie Raygun
May 20th, 2004, 07:15 PM
Next time take the time to READ what it is your commenting on.

mesobe
May 20th, 2004, 07:18 PM
lol.

the guy who worships bush tells me to read things before I comment.

Ronnie Raygun
May 20th, 2004, 07:20 PM
Yes I am.

Cosmo Electrolux
May 20th, 2004, 08:16 PM
lol.

the guy who worships bush tells me to read things before I comment.
psssst...the phrase is practice what you preach.......FYI

ziggytrix
May 20th, 2004, 08:30 PM
Oh sweet, Ronnie now how a knee-jerk liberal version of himself to play with. This should provide hours of entertainment!

Mesobe, you do consider yourself a liberal, right?

El Blanco
May 20th, 2004, 08:38 PM
why dont you look at the fucking resources everyone else credits? or are you just a hypocritical dumbass

Mind pointing out when I haven't? When have I just jumped in with "that's a big fucking lie" and run off without at least pointing out the flaws in said sources?

That was what you did. Now, who is the hypocritical dumbass?

Ronnie Raygun
May 20th, 2004, 08:43 PM
"Oh sweet, Ronnie now how a knee-jerk liberal version of himself to play with."

I have several.

ziggytrix
May 20th, 2004, 08:47 PM
Yeah, but ranxer really has toned it down a lot.

Extremism is bad for the soul, Ronnie. You really should give it up. :(

Ronnie Raygun
May 20th, 2004, 09:01 PM
Ranxer hasn't given up anything....I am far less extreme than most here.

ziggytrix
May 20th, 2004, 09:34 PM
No, you're not. You're just the opposite extreme. Or at least, you come off that way. Maybe you don't actually believe half the shit you post here. Maybe you aren't quite a trained Republican parrot, but you play the role very well.

Ronnie Raygun
May 20th, 2004, 09:37 PM
"Or at least, you come off that way."

I might come off that way because I'm the only one here with my particular point of view.

ziggytrix
May 20th, 2004, 10:04 PM
Yes, and all my opinions are obviously based entirely off the experiences of this website. I couldn't possibly know any level headed moderate conservatives in real life, as I'm actually just a chat simulation program.

Go fuck yourself.

Ronnie Raygun
May 20th, 2004, 10:15 PM
"Go fuck yourself."

It's O.K. You can be the real you. You're just as biased as Ranxer and don't be afraid to show it.

ziggytrix
May 20th, 2004, 10:22 PM
Whatever. I'm biased cuz I think your stated opinions parallel those of your party with virtually no deviation?

OK, fine, I guess I'm biased. I'd rather be a biased human than a trained monkey any day.

mesobe
May 20th, 2004, 10:24 PM
why dont you look at the fucking resources everyone else credits? or are you just a hypocritical dumbass

Mind pointing out when I haven't? When have I just jumped in with "that's a big fucking lie" and run off without at least pointing out the flaws in said sources?

That was what you did. Now, who is the hypocritical dumbass?

uhh.. yeah. way to know what a hypocrite is

Ronnie Raygun
May 20th, 2004, 10:30 PM
"I'm biased cuz I think your stated opinions parallel those of your party with virtually no deviation?" - Trix

Make that biased and ignorant.

I don't agree with the party when it comes to several issues.

ziggytrix
May 20th, 2004, 10:36 PM
Yeah, but I bet you feel guilty about it, don't ya!

Tell me this, when you vote, can you save time by just ticking off the names with a little (R) beside them?

Please, inform my ignorant soul!

El Blanco
May 20th, 2004, 11:15 PM
uhh.. yeah. way to know what a hypocrite is

What the fuck was that? You are a hypocrite. You accused me of doing the very dishonest thing you yourself are doing.

mesobe
May 21st, 2004, 12:51 AM
uhh.. yeah. way to know what a hypocrite is

What the fuck was that? You are a hypocrite. You accused me of doing the very dishonest thing you yourself are doing.


yeah... welcome to earth buddy. do you have the right forum?

KevinTheOmnivore
May 21st, 2004, 02:23 AM
It also answered them. They were in no way involved with al Queda.

And this was clear the day after 9/11? We knew this, without question, at that time....? Just answer yes or no, and then substantiate your answer.


They had a legitimate fear of being attacked and they were detained and questioned by the Feds. Would you feel better if some of them had been lynched?

What a bullshit statement. You know damn well they wouldn't have been touched. Do you support the PATRIOT Act, Blanco? Because that's the same argument made by those who oppose it, that it discrminates against Arabs....

mburbank
May 21st, 2004, 09:48 AM
Nalds, the only reason you think you're the only one here with your opinions is becuase you define them so narrowly. I mean, it's not like I think you're aa big tent kind of guy, but your'e in a mummy sleeping bag with the hood zippered shut. There are several right of center folks here, several of them respectable and capable of making their points and supporting them, and capable of seeing that reasonable people often disagree.

If I defined myself as narrowly as you do, there'd be no one like me here, either. There's not one person on this board who share each and every one of my political, religous, philisophical beliefs.

You don't count Vinth in your tent? Why? Becuase he thinks you're not a true Christian? You don't cpunt Blanco and Eye tie in your tent? Why? Becuase they can be reasonable and think you're a cretin and you make them look bad? (that's a guess, I have no idea what they think about you.) You and Abcgsdgxbdg78bkashbz aren't in the same tent? Why? Cause he's a big edducumated eggidy head?

El Blanco
May 21st, 2004, 02:24 PM
And this was clear the day after 9/11? We knew this, without question, at that time....? Just answer yes or no, and then substantiate your answer.


Of course you can't do a thourough check after one day. Good thing the FBI had anywhere from 5 days to a full week to do it. Not to metnion that since the US government already had a $5 million bounty on OBL's head, the Feds probably had some files on his relatives anyway.

What a bullshit statement. You know damn well they wouldn't have been touched.

So, you are honestly telling em there were 0 instances of Arabs being assaulted in the US following 9-11? Also, their last names increased their odds.

Do you support the PATRIOT Act, Blanco?

Personally, there is some questionable material, but it falls well short of summary executions.

Because that's the same argument made by those who oppose it, that it discrminates against Arabs....

And that statement doesn't have much place in this argument. Tell me that those people were in no danger, not that the PA is a bad thing.

And, Max, I really don't want to get up in anything between you and Ronnie or Vince or anybody else.

mburbank
May 21st, 2004, 03:26 PM
Believe me, Blanks, that was not my intent. I'm merely pointing out that someone being on the other side of neutral from me doesn't mean I can't listen to or respect them. The people I can't listen to or respect are doing something well beyond their political opinion. I was also pointing out Naldo's need to isolate himself.

I find you generally well spoken and coherent. [/list]