Samwise Gamgee: gay or nay?

[FS]

After seeing the Two Towers, I started reading the book again to refresh my memory of things. Near the end, I came upon this telltale quote of Sam's:

"Not but what it would be safe for you to have a wink now, master. Safe, if you lay close to me. I'd be dearly glad to see you have a sleep. I'd keep watch over you; and anyway, if you lay near, with my arm round you, no one could come pawing you without your Sam knowing it."

"Sleep then, master! Lay your head in my lap."

Of course, Sam. And if your penis should happen to slip into Frodo's mouth as he lay asleep, who would know, right? Who would know? >:

[Rongi]

Of course he's gay. I mean, look how defensive he was when Smeagul put the moves on Frodo >:

[Malevolent]

His gayness is just a phase. In the end, he marries... a woman! :eek

[Protoclown]

Yes...a woman who WALKS LIKE A MAN

[Carnivore]

And has a penis!

[FS]

Ah, but does he not eventually leave his wife to go on a cruise and pursue Frodo?

[AChimp]

I don't think Sam leaves. :/

[FS]

It's been some time since I read Return of the King, but I believe he does. Because:

* * * SPOILER TO THOSE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE STORY OF THE TWO TOWERS BEYOND THE MOVIE * * *

Near the end of the Two Towers, Frodo gets stung by Shelob and Sam thinks he's dead. He decides to complete the quest of the ringbearer, puts Frodo's ring around his neck, and leaves. But he's waited too long, and orcs show up, so Sam slips on the ring to become invisible.

Even though he had it on only for a moment, everyone who's ever worn the ring must eventually go to the Grey Havens and leave Middle-Earth. However, if I remember correctly, Sam doesn't go to the Grey Havens for many years after people like Gandalf, Bilbo and Frodo have left.

[Bennett]

And I thought you were talking about the cruise with Cuba Gooding Jr. and Horatio Sanz

[mburbank]

I thinks it's pretty clear "Master Samwise" is gay, based on the scene near the end of "Return of the King" where Sam and Frodo fuck, and Sam says "I don't know Mr. Frodo, but I'll say this much: I do like Gay Sex."

[FS]

I missed that passage. Hm. Odd. The pages are stuck together.

[Rongi]

You're into midget porn >:

Me too :(

[Anonymous]

Which book is it in where Sam is staring at Frodo and is thinking to himself how handsome he is and then right after thinks "I love him"?


Anyway, I kinda thought that whole Rosie thing came outta nowhere and was lame. HE BELONGED WITH MR FRODO

[Les Waste]

Sam was confused. He was just experimenting.

HE WAS BI-CURIOUS >:

[CastroMotorOil]

I beleive Tolkien himself said that they are not homosexual, that is supposed to show the bond of brotherhood that can form during hardship, modeled after experiances in WWI. And really if either of the two were gay it would be Frodo, not just becasue of the Sam marrying a woman thing but also frodo acts much more "wussy" and he doe s not do much fighting at all throughout the whole trilogy. If we are looking for stuff to feed gay rumors those are much better then sam attempting to protect his master.

[Anonymous]

Yeah gay people are totally wussy! They can't fight! fuck. I bet Frodo listened to cher and was an interior designer n shit. hahahah what a fag!

[CastroMotorOil]

im not actually claiming that that is a good reason, but the whole sam-frodo gay thing is based on that reasoning.

[Anonymous]

it isn't based on them being wussy it is based on them being affectionate. There is a difference

[FS]

I think all of Sam's swooning over Frodo is all in the Two Towers.

None of the hobbits really do much fighting, because they're small.

[Protoclown]

I COULD be wrong about this, so don't quote me on it, but I seem to recall hearing somewhere that Tolkien hated gay people because of his religious beliefs.

IF that's true, I find it amusingly ironic that just about everybody in this day and age thinks Frodo and Sam are gay lovers and that in the movies Gandalf was played by a brilliant gay man.

I hope I'm wrong though.

[pjalne]

You forget the part of the book where *SPOILER* Sam finds Frodo naked and passed out in a prison tower in Mordor and he does not tie him up with his elfish rope and rimfuck him.

All right, that only proves he's not a gay DATE RAPER, but I think it's a valid point.

[FS]

Yeah, I think Tolkien wasn't too keen on gays. And of course I don't really think Sam was written to be gay, but parts like I quoted from the book are just funny, especially with today's mindset.

[CastroMotorOil]

doopa sry bout the confusion what i meant was the reasoning was generally flawed and juvenile. and one of the ways that manifests itself is "manliness" etc and i just used frodo's lack of combat as an example.

[SisterOFMercy]

i think he's gay...he's just way too bowl legged..

[Grazzt]

People can't be gay in fantasy worlds, unless they're lesbian barbarians.

[Zosimus]

Sam could be bi-sexual

[kellychaos]

Yeah, I think Tolkien wasn't too keen on gays. And of course I don't really think Sam was written to be gay, but parts like I quoted from the book are just funny, especially with today's mindset.

Ever notice that they never deny that it may be a cock ring which is the central focus of the trilogy ... just saying.

Reference the Tolkien's possible abhorence of homosexuality. That fits with the limited knowlwedge I have of him. He, C.S. Lewis, and another writer (forgot the name?) formed a writing fellowship of sorts where they'd discuss writing, mythology, religion, ect. I can't specifically say that Tolkien didn't like homosexuality but I DO know that Lewis, who wrote the Narnia series, also went on to write several books concerning religion and morality. Perhaps their common attitudes are what brought them together.

[Immortal Goat]

I really think it's juvinile that there is even a thread even possibly contemplating the idea that Samwise and Frodo are gay lovers. First of all, Frodo does not fight as much as the other hobbits, yes this is true, BUT, maybe, just MAYBE it has something to do with the fact that the ring was a large BURDEN TO HIM?? I really get disgusted by people who always look at something that is simply a strong bond and automatically think it's sexual. Grow up.

[FS]

Perhaps you should actually read the thread before you explode, Faggy McFaggerton.

[sadie]

He, C.S. Lewis, and another writer (forgot the name?) formed a writing fellowship of sorts where they'd discuss writing, mythology, religion, ect.
charles williams was the third main member of the inklings, but there were many.

[Immortal Goat]

I wasn't referring to your comments, because you plainly stated that you dont really think Sam is gay, you just wanted to know other people's opinions. I have no problems with you, FS, just those others that think he is.