On strife and morality

[The One and Only...]

Agnosticism is the only logical stance regarding the supernatural.

Deduction can only be logically discovered as a result of a generalization arising from inductive processes. Due to this fact, non-axiomatic knowledge is impossible, and truth can only be viewed in terms of probability. Thus, even if evidence for the supernatural did exist in the natural world (and no such evidence has been found), we could not even be certain of its existence. Atheism cannot prove itself either, as no evidence for the lack of a supernatural can exist within the natural realm. Therefore, due to these uncertainties, agnosticism is the only logical stance.

Elevation of concepts to moral status is logically baseless.

Moral laws do not exist in the natural realm, and without the certainty of the supernatural, cannot possibly be known.

Reduction of moral laws to desirability is logically sound and lessens human suffering.

All moral laws can be reduced to concepts which are either desirable, undesirable, or neutral. By reducing all moral laws to their desirability, concepts which are undesirable will not be upheld. Thus, previous moral laws which caused unnecessary suffering will be eliminated.

[AChimp]

You're a fag.

[Anonymous]

You typed this with one hand, didn't you OAO?

[Emu]

thank you :)

[ziggytrix]

"All great religions, in order to escape absurdity, have to admit a dilution of agnosticism. It is only the savage, whether of the African bush or the American gospel tent, who pretends to know the will and intent of God exactly and completely." - H. L. Mencken

[Perndog]

What about a religion in which the members *themselves* are supernatural? Is self-identity sufficient for certainty?

Oh, and I agree with everyone else in this thread.

[The One and Only...]

What about a religion in which the members *themselves* are supernatural? Is self-identity sufficient for certainty?

They would have to provide evidence for that assertion.

[Emu]

Depends on your definition of 'natural,' don't you think?

[Perndog]

Nevermind. It's not worth the effort.

[Rez]

this is rather obvious, OAO... i dont think anyone has posted it because most intelligent persons can come to those comclusions while having a BIIIIG WANK with their BIIIIIG COCK in the SHOWER.

COME TO THOSE CONCLUSIONS :LOL

[Cosmo Electrolux]

You're a fag.

:lol I love you, Chimp :lol

[AChimp]

I have my suspicions about you, too. ;)

[kellychaos]

I'm going to start a God club where we're all gods. There's going to be a secret handshake. This is not going to be like my last God club where we all had to do the elephant walk. Who wants to join my club?

[Sergeant_Tibbs]

I think you're too late, there was (is?) some god gang in jackson prison. It's real 133t you have to take a writen test to see if you're a god or not. And you have to be in prison.

[Anonymous]

If OAO gets ass fucked in the woods by kellychaos...is he still a fucktard?

Answer: yes

EVIL EMPIRE ENTERPRISES
We now return you back to your regular fucktard station :lol

[mburbank]

So, what, OAO, is there no special summer camp for self important psuedo intellectual kids to go yap at each other in the Adirondacks and maybe get a little tennis and swimming instruction tossed in?

[The One and Only...]

I thought about taking Precalc so I could take Calculus as a sophomore, but decided against it.

Instead, I have opted to finish getting into shape.

Of course, I still have three exams left before the school year is over.

[Zebra 3]

Instead, I have opted to finish getting into shape.

http://free.one.picturehost.co.uk/StarAndStriped.gif - You mean fighting shape to enlist in the military.

[Pub Lover]

He has a condition that involves hives, hot flushes, & fainting, so he can't enlist... Oh, wait! ;0

[kellychaos]

So, what, OAO, is there no special summer camp for self important psuedo intellectual kids to go yap at each other in the Adirondacks and maybe get a little tennis and swimming instruction tossed in?

Two, four, six, eight! Simplify and integrate. Yeeeeaaahhhhh! :mathcheerleader :(

[punkgrrrlie10]

I thought about taking Precalc so I could take Calculus as a sophomore, but decided against it.

Instead, I have opted to finish getting into shape.

Of course, I still have three exams left before the school year is over.

You can't do both????

[The One and Only...]

You can't do both????

Well, I could, but what's the point. My high school only offers courses through Statistics, meaning that I would be left without any math courses to take as a senior.

I was thinking about applying for an early admission program to college, but then I'd miss out on an easy senior year.

[punkgrrrlie10]

you can't do a half day at school and leave early for college classes? Or even take an early morning class at a jc and spend the rest of the time at school?

[Cosmo Electrolux]

Psssst.....he's making it up. His mom is making him work at Burger King this summer.....

[AChimp]

:lol

[davinxtk]

Someone PLEASE shoot this kid already.

[The One and Only...]

you can't do a half day at school and leave early for college classes? Or even take an early morning class at a jc and spend the rest of the time at school?

Why bother? I don't need any math higher than Statistics to become an economist, unless you count Econometrics, which I would not be qualified to take. Not only that, but the only reasonably distanced college is a small community one, which I doubt offers math higher than Statistics anyway.

I just don't understand why I should overload myself with work unnecessarily, especially when I already plan to read three books for English + Human Action (which is fairly tall and around 900 pages of fine print), get into shape, and do some hardcore training for fencing.

[kellychaos]

Fencing is a real transcript-building, extra-curricular activity. Fact.

[AChimp]

"Holy shit, this guy fences. We better hire him right away, boss!"

Nine hundred pages of reading is child's play. Should take you around five days, no more.

And in order to become an economist, you will need several levels' worth of statistics courses, and they get very heavy on the math near the top.

[punkgrrrlie10]

you can't do a half day at school and leave early for college classes? Or even take an early morning class at a jc and spend the rest of the time at school?

Why bother? I don't need any math higher than Statistics to become an economist, unless you count Econometrics, which I would not be qualified to take. Not only that, but the only reasonably distanced college is a small community one, which I doubt offers math higher than Statistics anyway.

I just don't understand why I should overload myself with work unnecessarily, especially when I already plan to read three books for English + Human Action (which is fairly tall and around 900 pages of fine print), get into shape, and do some hardcore training for fencing.

I guess the whole education for education's sake is lost on you. And taking college classes now gets it out of the way for later. Don't your backwards assed high schools have some AP classes you could take?

3 books ooooooohhhh no how will you handle it? Dear lord if I only had to read 900 pages for two entire classes I would jump for joy. you're just a big pussy aren't ya.

[Zebra 3]

http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/fencing.gif - Fencing has been mentioned as one of the Olympic sports that should be removed because nobody's watching.

[Drew Katsikas]

I dono. Im having a hard time working over 40 hours a week and reading 4 big books for AP lit next year, while still practicing in my band and playing frisbee and poker every now and then.

[Perndog]

I guess the whole education for education's sake is lost on you. And taking college classes now gets it out of the way for later. Don't your backwards assed high schools have some AP classes you could take?

3 books ooooooohhhh no how will you handle it? Dear lord if I only had to read 900 pages for two entire classes I would jump for joy. you're just a big pussy aren't ya.

In all fairness to irritating little pricks, 11th grade can't really be compared to law school.

[AChimp]

Damn straight. The kid's got it fuckin' easy. If he's collapsing under the stresses of high school, imagine the breakdown that he will experience in first year. :lol

Im having a hard time working over 40 hours a week and reading 4 big books for AP lit next year, while still practicing in my band and playing frisbee and poker every now and then.
Stop working so much. Seriously, school will be much better if you cut back to 20 hours/week.

Need to work that much because you have to pay for stuff? Stop buying so much. If you have a car, stop using it and take the bus. >:

[punkgrrrlie10]

I guess the whole education for education's sake is lost on you. And taking college classes now gets it out of the way for later. Don't your backwards assed high schools have some AP classes you could take?

3 books ooooooohhhh no how will you handle it? Dear lord if I only had to read 900 pages for two entire classes I would jump for joy. you're just a big pussy aren't ya.

In all fairness to irritating little pricks, 11th grade can't really be compared to law school.

When I was in high school I was taking 4 AP classes per semester, cheerleading (yes cheerleading), student leadership and working 30 hours a week. I'm not saying everyone should do that but it's do-able especially for those complaining about not having enough math classes to take.

I dono. Im having a hard time working over 40 hours a week and reading 4 big books for AP lit next year, while still practicing in my band and playing frisbee and poker every now and then.

Of course you are. That's a lot of work. Adding a job to school always takes up alot of time.

[Perndog]

:lol Nerd.

[punkgrrrlie10]

That I am...If nerds had a champion...it would probably be me.

[GADZOOKS]

:lol Nerd.

Aren't you the one in the Peanuts band?

Good Grief...

[The One and Only...]

You fucking dumbasses.

I'm not going to be a junior, I'm going to be a sophomore.

As I said, there are no math classes for me to take past Statistics in my area.

The only AP courses offered in my high school are Government, Physics, Chemistry, Biology 2 (which is going to be eliminated), Calculus, Statistics, and English, none of which I can take a sophomore (except Calculus, which I could have taken if I took Precalc over the summer). My school requires one year of Academic Chemistry before taking AP.

I already have one college credit, however, by dual enrolling for my CIS course.

What I could have done was take Statistics, Physics and (AP) Chemisty as a junior, and apply for GMU's early admission program. Then I could take Government and English at the college. However, it's cheaper to take them at the high school, and I would prefer not to skip my Senior year. Besides, if I change my mind and decide to follow that program, I can apply to take Calculus over the next summer at the community college.

It's not 900 pages total. It's closer to 1600. 900 pages is only in Human Action, which is not for a class, it's to educate myself. I would suggest that all of you read it as well.

Edit: P.G., when you say you were taking 4 AP classes per semester, are you saying that you were taking 8 AP classes per year? What year were you doing this in high school, and how big was your school?

[AChimp]

I know people who took 10 AP classes in a year and didn't break a sweat.

And you're whining about having no time to do extra stuff because you're gonna read a 900 pager about nothing? Welcome to the real world, kid. In order to accomplish things, you have to put off doing stuff you want to do in order to take care of the things that you NEED to do.

Out of 1600 pages, there's only 700 for school; it should only take you a few days to read that. Divided by 3, that's only 230 pages per "literary" novel. Bathroom reading is what that is, I don't give a fuck how tiny the print is. One day per book.

You have no idea what real work is.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

I wish I had skipped my senior year. It was pointless, and may have ultimately been regressive. Do the early program, OAO.

[Perndog]

:lol Nerd.

Aren't you the one in the Peanuts band?

Good Grief...

To be specific, I'm the one who gets paid $24 an hour to play the trombone while you bag groceries.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

a satanic trombone player??? :/

[punkgrrrlie10]

Edit: P.G., when you say you were taking 4 AP classes per semester, are you saying that you were taking 8 AP classes per year? What year were you doing this in high school, and how big was your school?


Most AP classes go a full year, so 4 AP classes per semester for the year with the exception of government in my junior year which was only for 1 semester. Each class is 2 semesters with most AP tests given in towards the end of the 2nd semester so it ends up a total of 4 a year. I did English, Bio, Spanish, Government and History. Spanish was senior year. All the rest of my classes were only honors classes. Sorry thought you were going into 11th since you were talking about saving classes for your senior year. But still if I could've started in 10th, would've been better and easier for later, both to lighten the load for my junior year because I was also working so many hours and in college. I had a friend who did AP calc his sophmore year and then did college math classes at the JC to get even more credits out of the way. He would just come to school late (after the first two periods or so) and he got almost a full year of credits out of the way in math (which was good b/c he became an engineer). He was still able to run track and do all the fun cheesy high school crap. It also makes you more desirable for colleges. Since your school doesn't have too many AP classes you should be taking all of them. Especially if you want to be an economist which requires pretty much a PhD these days to do. It's getting harder and harder to get into a good college and pay for it. C'mon economist you know the basic supply and demand right. Well, demand is up, way up and is continuing to rise while youa re puttering away in high school each year. Think about it. Those college credits really add up, save money and time for real partying during college. You will never have as much fun in high school as you can during college. With rising college costs and high school really not mattering at all do whatever you can to kick everyone down and get yourself up. it's really true work now pays off later and now is the easiest time to do it. You wanna work out and read books for fun..fine, do it along with this other crap, but the other crap is more important and practical.

[The One and Only...]

All right, all right, I just had the school contacted. If it's possible, I will be taking the class.

8:00-1:00 Mon.-Fri. for six weeks.

[Drew Katsikas]

I dono. Im having a hard time working over 40 hours a week and reading 4 big books for AP lit next year, while still practicing in my band and playing frisbee and poker every now and then.

Of course you are. That's a lot of work. Adding a job to school always takes up alot of time.

Uh, it's summertime here. So, no school.

[Perndog]

a satanic trombone player??? :/

My trombone playing attracts black cats and will entice you to murder your parents.

[Helm]

In this thread:

oao: strife and morality!

everyone: fuck you!

oao: I like math. But I have to get in shape! Can't do both!

punkgrrrlie10: I did both!

oao: no you didn't

punkgrrrlie10: yes I did. You should do too!

oao: no!

punkgrrrlie10: yes!

oao: no!

punkgrrrlie10: yes!

oao: ...ok.

perndog: trombone.

[AChimp]

:lol :lol :lol @ Helm

EDIT: I don't know why I think that's so funny, but that posts deserves one of these:

http://members.shaw.ca/achimp/first.gif

:tear

[Perndog]

That was one of those genuine LOL moments. When you actually do laugh out loud instead of just saying LOL to be cute.

[Anonymous]

I also agree that that is the funniest thing I've seen on the boards all week, and that's including the recent surge of BAPE posts :<

[kellychaos]

I always pictured the oboe as Satan's musical instrument representative.

[punkgrrrlie10]

:)