Tarentino v.s. Kevin Smith?

[Mallrat867]

well....yeah. Who?

[FartinMowler]

I eat poo.

[Jixby Phillips]

are you in the 10th grade?

[huond]

i remember when TIm Burton said he would never watch anything made by Kevin smith and i thought he was like so stupid (I was in the 10th grade :x) now i side with Tim Burton >:

[Royal Tenenbaum]

Comparing Tarantino to Smith is like comparing a concert violinist to the dirty guy with a guitar busking outside the liquor store.

[Zee Kay]

If they were anything alike I'd vote.
But they're not.
So I won't.

[Emu]

Zee Kay's a very mature individual

[Snatchtastic]

I eat poo.

[Mallrat867]

Well looks like most of us eat poo.

ohhh and, yes I am in 10th grade. Thanks for reading my profile.

[GADZOOKS]

No most of us picked taratino, fatass.

[ziggytrix]

i remember when TIm Burton said he would never watch anything made by Kevin smith and i thought he was like so stupid (I was in the 10th grade :x) now i side with Tim Burton >:

He really said that? That's strange. I really dug Clerks, Dogma, and Clerks: the Animated Series. The others, I could kinda take or leave, but I certainly can say Burton has put out his fair share of crap too.

Same with Tarentino, he's put out wonderful movies and absolute crap.

On the whole though, I'd say I like all 3 of them as directors.

[Geggy]

what gives tim burton a right to judge if he has never watched any of his movies? what an ass.

[Perndog]

I love Tim Burton.
I like Kevin Smith.
I haven't seen anything by Tarantino that I liked. (yes, Kill Bill included).

But there's no question that Tarantino is a better director than Smith. Scripts aside - Smith's scripts are just more my style - you can't really give Kevin Smith a lot of points for cinematography.

[Jixby Phillips]

What Tim Burton said was in response to somebody pointing out that the ending of "Planet of the Apes" closely resembled a panel in one of Kevin Smith's comics, and also it was in response to Kevin Smith's reaction that he was "really upset" about it. But Kevin Smith was joking about being upset and knew it was a coincidence, but his comments were printed as if they were completely serious. So Tim Burton responded saying something like he's never read the comic, and he would never read anything by Smith. It could have been a slam on Kevin Smith's superman script, which Tim Burton was set to direct a few years ago.

I know way too fucking much about Kevin Smith.

[Spectre X]

I haven't seen anything by Tarantino that I liked. (yes, Kill Bill included).

Que "Invasion of the Bodysnatchers" scream and pointing at Perndog.

[Zee Kay]

It could have been a slam on Kevin Smith's superman script, which Tim Burton was set to direct a few years ago.
The Superman script fiasco also lead to the creation of the movie "Wild Wild West's" giant mecha spider.

[Jixby Phillips]

Please explain

[Zee Kay]

Burton wanted alot of things in the script that Smith didn't. Tim Burton didn't want Superman to wear a costume, he also wanted him to fight a giant mecha spider, Smith didn't think too well of either ideas. After they both gave up on working with each other, Tim Burton still wanted at least A movie to have a giant mechanical spider. So with a few strings pulled, he managed to get the bug into Wild Wild West. So in case anyone wondered why there was a giant spider in Wild Wild West despite there never being any in the TV show, now you know.

[Emu]

Zee Kay's all over this

[Zee Kay]

Are you stalking me?

[Daphne]

Burton wanted alot of things in the script that Smith didn't. Tim Burton didn't want Superman to wear a costume, he also wanted him to fight a giant mecha spider, Smith didn't think too well of either ideas. After they both gave up on working with each other, Tim Burton still wanted at least A movie to have a giant mechanical spider. So with a few strings pulled, he managed to get the bug into Wild Wild West. So in case anyone wondered why there was a giant spider in Wild Wild West despite there never being any in the TV show, now you know.

Not quite, it was the producer of Superman that wanted the giant spider not Tim Burton, and he also wanted Superman to fight a Polar Bear. This was the same guy who produced Wild Wild West, and Kevin Smith was amused that he got the giant spider finally.
Tim Burton had nothing to do with Wild Wild West, why would he give a shit if there was a mechanical spider in it?
Tim Burton wanted Superman to wear a weird mechanical outfit, but that's all I know.

Also, he didn't refuse to see Kevin Smith's movies, he heard that Planet of the Apes comment and said he wouldn't read his script for Superman and that he'd never read any of his comics (and made a snide remark I can't recall).

[sports]

All are good directors...even Tarinto...

[Esuohlim]

Who is Tarinto, sports?

[GADZOOKS]

A Big LOL at Superman Vs. Polar Bears.

[sports]

Taco? :)

[ArrowX]

:mechaspiderfetish

[pjalne]

I'm not Smith's biggest fan, but his story about Jon Peters is comedy gold. This is what I can remember from Peters's requests fom memory:

- Sean Penn as Superman (because he has 'killer instinct')
- Superman should fight two polar bears ("the most vicious killers in the animal kingdom") and kill one of them, but let the other one live (so the animal activists don't get pissed off)
- Brainiac should break into the Fortress of Solitude and get into a fight with Superman's guards.
- Big spider in the third act ("the most vicious killers in the insect kingdom" (I know they're not insects, Peters's words))

Further requests made by Jon Peters when Burton came on board:

- Superman should wear a leather coat (yeah, Matrix came out)
- Superman should not fly, but instead drive a cool car
- Brainiac should have a gay robot friend

After Burton was taken off the project:

- Jimmy Olsen should be gay

[the[Hitman]]

i cant pick because they are nothing alike.

Smith makes entertaining movies.

Tarantino regurgitates the same shit over and over and people think hes a good director.

I mean, watch pulp fiction more than twice and you may almost hate it as much as i do.

[GADZOOKS]

The hitman hates a movie about hitmen, what a fucking turd. :lol

[the[Hitman]]

The hitman hates a movie about hitmen, what a fucking turd. :lol

i have developed an absolute hatred for that movie. after the third time i watched it i felt the need to go kick tarantino's head in.

[GADZOOKS]

Thanks for quoting the post and basically just repeating what you said the first post, you fucking turd.

I bet your favorite movie is hentai, you fagoon.

[Geggy]

]
I mean, watch pulp fiction more than twice and you may almost hate it as much as i do.

you've got to be shitting me.

i've seen pulp fiction 20 times and i still love it as much you love to masturbate to a photo of fully clothed margaret thatcher. go on, son, make her proud. thats the closest she will ever get to have any sexual advancements. give it to her. give it to her! oh yeah!

[the[Hitman]]

what the hell is this?

i didnt know the name of the thread was "faggots come worship tarantino's obviously shitty and non-original genius."

[Anonymous]

So you think that Tarentino is a genius.

[Skulhedface]

SAM RAIMI IS BETTER :/

[GADZOOKS]

]what the hell is this?

i didnt know the name of the thread was "faggots come worship tarantino's obviously shitty and non-original genius."

You can't stand movies about hitmen, hitman. Your a fraud, FRAUD.

[Big Papa Goat]

I hate Sam Raimi >: For the same reason I love Tarantino.
Edit: woops, I forgot who Sam Raimi was, for some reason I thought you were talking about whatever that guy who did Signs and hte Sixth Sense was :(

[Skulhedface]

BLASPHEMY

[Spectre X]

]what the hell is this?

i didnt know the name of the thread was "faggots come worship tarantino's obviously shitty and non-original genius."


My entire being is resonating with pure rage.

You are so goddamned unbelievably stupid it blows my mind just trying to imagine it.

[Neurotic monkey]

Well, Tarintino just takes movie scripts from the seventies/eighties and copies them, adding in copious pop culture dialouge, violence and swearing.

Smith writes about random people who live in New Jersey, using pop culture dialouge and swearing. The other thing is that he is almost twice as good as Tarintno at writing, but is stuck with shitty actors who can't act their way out of a paper bag. Tarintino gets grade A calibur stars (Harvey Keitel, Samuel Jackson, John Travolta, Bruce Willis, David Roth, Michael Madsen, Uma Thurman, etc.), while every person in a Smith movie is pure crap (Everyone in Clerks, Mallrats, Ben Affleck, Etc.)

[Spectre X]

You have so little knowledge of anything. Christ.


Tarantino doesn't copy scripts from the eighties and seventies. Pulp Fiction, for example, was just his flimed take on those old pulp crime magazines from the 40's and early 50's.

Kill Bill Vol. 1 was a reference fest. Vol. 2 was a spiral of violence and well-written dialogue.

Reservoir Dogs is the classic 'big heist that goes wrong' movie. Jackie Brown was his tribute to all those old Blaxploitation movies from the seventies.

He doesn't copy movies, he makes all these little and big references and tributes to them.


And if you think Smith is a better writer than Tarantino, you've never watched a Tarantino movie before. And if you have, you're not human.

[Neurotic monkey]

You have so little knowledge of anything. Christ.


Tarantino doesn't copy scripts from the eighties and seventies. Pulp Fiction, for example, was just his flimed take on those old pulp crime magazines from the 40's and early 50's.

Kill Bill Vol. 1 was a reference fest. Vol. 2 was a spiral of violence and well-written dialogue.

Reservoir Dogs is the classic 'big heist that goes wrong' movie. Jackie Brown was his tribute to all those old Blaxploitation movies from the seventies.

He doesn't copy movies, he makes all these little and big references and tributes to them.


And if you think Smith is a better writer than Tarantino, you've never watched a Tarantino movie before. And if you have, you're not human.

Tributes and referenses? I f that's true explain why Kill Bill was just a gory random splatterhouse king-fu movie, right down to the shitty translated dialouge. And WTF is up with that Superman speech? If a drunken hobo had access to the best damn actors in hollywood, instead of his slacker friends, he could probably make a better movie. And if it was from the early 40's and 50's, how come it had references to the seventies (vietnam war, ass raped by hillbillies, cocaine). Reservoir Dogs was just that: a generic heist goes wrong movie. Right down to the hidden twist.

[Jixby Phillips]

So?

[Krythor]

Tarantino movies are partly derivative of certain genres just as Texas Chainsaw Massacre was partly derivative of real life you fucking moron.

Besides, Tarantino isn't popular for his unique stories but for his dialogue.

DICK.

[Captain Goodtimes]

Tarentino kicks ass! Literally!

[ArrowX]

Where the fuck did you come from you horrible ugly little stain on my pants?

[Captain Goodtimes]

Woah, how can you see my pants.

Are you like some vision psycic dude :hypno

[ArrowX]

yes I have ESPN

[Captain Goodtimes]

That's a sports channel, so what?

[Jixby Phillips]

first arrowx said :eek

Where the fuck did you come from you horrible ugly little stain on my pants?

then captain goodtimes said :eek

Woah, how can you see my pants.

Are you like some vision psycic dude :hypno

then arrowx said :eek

yes I have ESPN

then captain goodtimes said :eek

That's a sports channel, so what?

:eek :eek :eek :eek :eek

[Sajuuk]

what

[Jixby Phillips]

okay, first arrowx said :eek

Where the fuck did you come from you horrible ugly little stain on my pants?

then captain goodtimes said :eek

Woah, how can you see my pants.

Are you like some vision psycic dude :hypno

then arrowx said :eek

yes I have ESPN

then captain goodtimes said :eek

That's a sports channel, so what?

see? :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek

[ArrowX]

Nobody gets the beavis & buthead reference

[Jixby Phillips]

The ESPN joke? That joke has been around since the STONE AGE

[FS]

Can we get back to Jon Peters already? I want to hear his ideas on remakes of other movies.

King Kong:

-King Kong should not actually be gigantic, just really tall, like regular gorillas.
-At one point he should rampage through an ice cream bar and the clerk WOULDN'T NOTICE he's a gorilla and he'd just sell him ice cream.
-The voice of King Kong's inner monologue should be done by Cuba Gooding Jr. (because he has INNER POWER)
-King Kong's partner would be a gay chimp.
-King Kong fights crime in the future.
-He can fly. In a really cool car that wears a leather coat, and is gay.
-At one point, King Kong has gay sex.
-Gay gay gay gay gay gay gay.

[the[Hitman]]

Tarantino movies are partly derivative of certain genres just as Texas Chainsaw Massacre was partly derivative of real life you fucking moron.

Besides, Tarantino isn't popular for his unique stories but for his dialogue.

DICK.

yes its because of his wonderful cliche dialogue. i'm afraid to say making a sentance throwing in the words either ******, fuck or shit does not make for intelligent/original dialogue.

[Captain Goodtimes]

The ESPN joke? That joke has been around since the STONE AGE

Bogus..

[pjalne]

Can we get back to Jon Peters already? I want to hear his ideas on remakes of other movies.

King Kong:

-King Kong should not actually be gigantic, just really tall, like regular gorillas.
-At one point he should rampage through an ice cream bar and the clerk WOULDN'T NOTICE he's a gorilla and he'd just sell him ice cream.
-The voice of King Kong's inner monologue should be done by Cuba Gooding Jr. (because he has INNER POWER)
-King Kong's partner would be a gay chimp.
-King Kong fights crime in the future.
-He can fly. In a really cool car that wears a leather coat, and is gay.
-At one point, King Kong has gay sex.
-Gay gay gay gay gay gay gay.

- King Kong should not be a gorilla at all, but a mandrill, the most vicious killers in the primate kingdom.

[Command Prompt]

Tarantino is over-rated and Kevin Smith sucks. Clerks, Mallrats, Dogma, are boring and repetitve.

As for Tarantino I thought Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction were great, but thats about it. True Romance was a lame script, Jackie Brown was so fucking boring I fell asleep. Kill Bill would of been a good movie if it was spliced into one movie and made nonlinear. But, sadly the first half is amazing and the last half was all the filler they should of used to space out the parts of the first one.

Brillant Diologue?

"Were there really 88 of them?"
"No, they just called themselves that, probably because they wanted to sound cool"

Yeah, okay :rolleyes

[ArrowX]

yes it is beilliant

If your a good for nothing whore....I'll be on my street corner :(

[Command Prompt]

By the way, I'm watching Desperado right now and Quentin is a fucking terrible actor too. He is screen presence is so clumsy and annoying I want to beat the fucking shit out of the characters he plays. And as for his profile, he must of been separated from birth with Jay Leno. He should cut off some of that retardedly large chin and pass it around to Mark Wahlberg and Vin Diesel.

Whine Whine Whine, Bitch Bitch Bitch. Sorry its that time of the month.

Edit: At least when Kevin Smith acts in movies he does me a favour and shuts the fuck up :lol

[GADZOOKS]

Quentin only has small parts in his movies (aside from being a main character in dogs)

Except for jersey girl, kevin hogs up the screen more than a ham sandwhich, and he's always the one who says the right thing once at the right time too.

As far as directing, quentin is better. Storytelling, the both have their flaws. C prompt pointed out that 88 one, theres always a dumb one with Elle going"why dont you smoke some pot". But kevin has a ton of dumb dialouge too "your the queen" and "BONG!"

As for personality, I probably like kevin better, quentin seems like a wimpy cartoon villian.

[Zebra 3]

Tarantino has made some decent action flicks, while Smith pretty much sucks at everything.

[FS]

People who liked Dogma or Kevin Smith in general MAY have missed out on the fact that he cast Alanis Morisette as God.

[Neurotic monkey]

Tarantino movies are partly derivative of certain genres just as Texas Chainsaw Massacre was partly derivative of real life you fucking moron.

Besides, Tarantino isn't popular for his unique stories but for his dialogue.

DICK.

Is that why the dialog in Kill Bill was written like the shitty translated dialouge found in shitty old kung fu movies?

[executioneer]

quentin tarantino and kevin smith are both terribly overrated :eek

just like polls >:

[vechron]

I saw the posts by Neurotic monkey and had to say a few things...

"Well, Tarintino just takes movie scripts from the seventies/eighties and copies them"

Your statment is stupid and here is why; any idea utilized for movies or television was already done before; it's called the "Simpsons Effect". Everything is already done; nothing is original.

"...adding in copious pop culture dialouge, violence and swearing."
"...using pop culture dialouge and swearing."

No difference here...

"The other thing is that he is almost twice as good as Tarintno at writing, but is stuck with shitty actors who can't act their way out of a paper bag."

You sir, are a moron. Writing is subjective; what you like some others won't. Personally, "Clerks" and "Chasing Amy" were the only well done movies Kevin ever turned out. Tarentino turned out "Reservoir Dogs", a segment of "Four Rooms" and "Jackie Brown" which were by far better written and directed than either of Kevins good movies.

"Tarintino gets grade A calibur stars..."

Watch your list here...

"Harvey Keitel"

Unappreciated and under used in Hollywood, he was pushed aside by major production companies for the longest time; his last decent role before "Resevoir Dogs" was "The Last Temptation of Christ". Everything else was bit parts and hack shit.

"Samuel Jackson"

Another actor who's career Tarentino jump started; he wasn't even on the radar until he appeared in "Pulp Fiction".

"John Travolta"

CHRIST!!! John Travolta had become a Hollywood joke until he appeared in "Pulp Fiction"! His biggest flick before Pulp was "Stay Alive" or "Look Who's Talking"(2 renown pieces of shit)...

"Bruce Willis"

Always reduced to either a action charecter or comedy goober, his serious acting was never allowed to shine until his appearence in "Pulp Fiction".

"David Roth"

Tim Roth you moron; and besides that, "Resevoir Dogs" and "Four Rooms" stand as the best things he ever did in my book...

"Michael Madsen"

Once again, not fully respected until his appearence as Mr. Blonde in "Resevoir Dogs".

"Uma Thurman"

The best movie she did before "Pulp Fiction" was "Dangerous Liaisons" and that was OK reviews for her. She didn't get serious work until she was graced by Tarentino.

"while every person in a Smith movie is pure crap (Everyone in Clerks, Mallrats, Ben Affleck, Etc.)"

What can I say...he pick's mediocore talent?

[Ant10708]

he picks his friends actually

[vechron]

mediocore talented friends...

[Ant10708]

true enough

[executioneer]

he picks his friends actually

does he pick his nose :lol