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GAsux
Jul 13th, 2004, 08:37 PM
I watch CSPAN.


I like John McCain. Im relatively liberal, although clearly less so than most of you. Regardless, it was with a bit of admiration that I watched Sen. McCain this evening state his opposition to the proposed constitutional marriage amendment. He demonstrated that the institution of marriage is not threatened by a few states allowing gay marrieage, by reminding his colleagues that the framers intentionally made it difficult to amend the constitution requiring substantial support from not only Congressmen but their constituencies and pointing out that the amendment lacked such support, and finally by reminding his fellow Republicans that such legislation runs contrary to the parties historical position of supproting states rights over the federal govt, including a passage from the Federalist papers (#52) as a reference.

I like that McCain has consistently proven himself to be able to rise above partisan politics and not blindly follow the "rules" of his party. For a high profile, senior Senator to take such positions is admirable in my book.

mburbank
Jul 14th, 2004, 08:23 AM
While I disagree with McCain on many speciffic issues, I deffinitely admire him, and there are very few politicians I can say that about.

I am however, dissapointed by his actively campaigning for W. I think McCain is in a better position than anyone to know just how bad W. can get, and just how high the stakes are right now. I think this situation calls for a man of McCains standards to place the fate of the nation above party loyalty.

I do not believe in his heart of hearts he thinks W. is better man than Kerry or that W. can keep the country safer.

KevinTheOmnivore
Jul 14th, 2004, 01:31 PM
I think McCain, much like Powell, is playing the good soldier. Both men, IMO, have political aspirations for higher office (heck, how imposing would a McCain/Powell GOP ticket look in 2008?).

I to am surprised to see McCain stump for Bush, however, after Bush/Rove conducted one of the dirtiest presidential primaries in history against the man.

I think McCain sees himself as a candidate hopeful in 2008, and probably would secretly like to see this Bush go down. If this Bush loses to liberal John Kerry, that would essentially be a condemnation of the fringe-Right, neo-conservative stance taken by this administration. Popular, traditional conservative John McCain could then step in and pick up the pieces for the GOP. He would immediately take a higher leadership position within the party, IMO.

Hell, a contest in 2008 of two friends debating ideas rather than scandals might be kind of nice.

El Blanco
Jul 14th, 2004, 03:09 PM
I think McCain sees himself as a candidate hopeful in 2008, and probably would secretly like to see this Bush go down. If this Bush loses to liberal John Kerry, that would essentially be a condemnation of the fringe-Right, neo-conservative stance taken by this administration. Popular, traditional conservative John McCain could then step in and pick up the pieces for the GOP. He would immediately take a higher leadership position within the party, IMO.

Is it wrong that that whole diatrab gave me a political boner?

KevinTheOmnivore
Jul 14th, 2004, 05:03 PM
I'm fine with that, as long as it's a hetero-, "three pat" guy hug kind of thing. :/

Ant10708
Jul 16th, 2004, 10:33 AM
Didn't they want Colin Powell to run once for President or maybe vp and he didn't want too?

KevinTheOmnivore
Jul 16th, 2004, 11:17 AM
The talk may have come up in '96 and 2000, but who knows how serious it was, or for whatever reasons e may have declined.....

El Blanco
Jul 16th, 2004, 12:09 PM
I heard he turned it down because he didn't want to put his family through the stress. His wife has already had one nervous breakdown.