Question for Gay's

[FartinMowler]

Why do gay people want to "come out"? Are you telling the hetero sexual community? Or the gay community that your open for business? I just find it funny that gay people all of a sudden now have to tell everyone :/ No coming out for the hetero...but suit yourself if it makes you happy, I think it's kinda silly and selfish to alienate the rest of society instead of just being a person.

[Anonymous]

It's mostly to help the individual come to terms with it.

As for friends and family that you tell, it's a pretty large part of your psyche and it feels like you're hiding something from them if they don't know.

[FartinMowler]

Ya, I figured it must be a tough thing to do. Would be nice if once they finish with the proclaiming there gay, they just stay a person and not get shuffled into a "special group" It's like the other night I was watching "Amazing Race" and this Black American couple got to go to africa and the husband kept shaking all the native people's and kept saying "OOH I'm soo glad to meet my brother's" :rolleyes I wouldn't to to England and do that and I don't think that gay people should have to do that.

[ziggytrix]

I just find it funny that gay people all of a sudden now have to tell everyone :/ No coming out for the hetero...

Then why straight folks always mention that they're straight when discussing homosexuality? Hell, I'll bet someone replies to this thread without reading this post and they'll start off by saying "I'm not gay, but..."

I just need to post a short article here to guarantee folks breeze by without reading and the experiment can begin.

From: Al-Fatiha - LGBTQ Muslims <gaymuslims@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 11:50 pm
Subject: Press Release: Al-Fatiha Expresses Outrage at Cobb County Murder Verdict; Joins Atlanta Leaders at Candelight Vigil


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PRESS RELEASE
AL-FATIHA FOUNDATION

Media Contact:
Faisal Alam, founder & director
Email: gaymuslims@yahoo.com
US Cell: 202-271-0067
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March 18, 2003 - Al-Fatiha Foundation, a US-based organization dedicated to LGBTIQ Muslims expressed outrage today at the February 28th acquittal of Roderiqus Reshad Reed. Reed who confessed to the beating and murder of Ahmed Dabarran, a gay black Somali Muslim man was acquitted by a jury in Cobb County, Georgia.

Dabarran, who was a Fulton County Assistant District Attorney was brutally murdered in May 2001. His killer confessed to the crime but a Cobb County, Georgia jury acquitted him. It is believed that Dabarran's perceived sexual orientation, his racial / ethnic background, and his religion were a motivating factor in the biased verdict.

Atlanta metro LGBT leaders, people of faith, and other people of conscience have expressed outrage at the acquittal of Dabarran's murderer and are organizing a candlelight vigil on Saturday, March 22, 2003 in Marietta, Georgia.

"Al-Fatiha joins in the mourning of Dabarran and sends its heart-felt condolences to his family during this time of grief," said Raja Qasim, an Al-Fatiha board member from Atlanta.

Representatives from Al-Fatiha will join the candlelight vigil on March 22 and urge LGBTIQ Muslims and allies from the metro Atlanta area to attend as well.

For more information on the candlelight vigil and the acquittal of Roderiqus Reshad Reed, please visit http://www.cobbcandlelightvigil.com/

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GAY MAN MURDERED IN COBB, KILLER WALKS
Cobb Candlelight Vigil, Saturday, March 22, 7 to 8 p.m. on "The Square" in downtown Marietta.

Ahmed Dabarran, a gay man and Fulton County Assistant District Attorney, was brutally murdered in Cobb County and his murderer walked free because the trial focused more on the victim's sexual orientation than on his being bludgeoned to death with more than a dozen blows to the head. Every bone in Ahmed's head was broken and his skull pancaked so that it ended up in his spine.

According to experienced trial attorneys present in the courtroom, the Cobb prosecutor totally blew the case. He was indifferent and inept, and his disdain for this gay crime victim was obvious despite the fact that Ahmed was an assistant district attorney in neighboring Fulton County. The murderer confessed to the crime, but in Cobb County he got off because the victim was gay.

On February 28, 2003, a Cobb County jury acquitted Roderiqus Reshad Reed of the May 2001 brutal murder and robbery of Ahmed despite Reed's own admission at trial that he repeatedly struck Ahmed on the head with a pot in Ahmed's home, and then left with the victim's car, wallet, and cell phone.

Ahmed's friends, family and coworkers were outraged by the acquittal. This candlelight vigil is being organized by community leaders in Atlanta and Cobb County who share their outrage and want to draw attention to this grave miscarriage of justice.

Reed's attorneys' used the "gay panic" defense alleging that Reed killed Ahmed to protect himself from unwanted sexual advances. However, a medical examiner testified that Ahmed was struck over a dozen times on the head while he slept. A juror explained that the jurors reached their decision because they felt the state had not "dotted their I's and crossed their T's," according to a news report in the Marietta Daily Journal.

Rather than argue that the sexual orientation of Ahmed was irrelevant, the prosecutor focused on the sexual orientation of Reed. The prosecutors discomfort with Ahmed's sexuality led to the disastrous outcome of this trial. An experienced trial lawyer commented that instead of 2 prosecutors and 2 defense attorneys present in the court room, it felt like there were 4 defense attorneys present, all on the side of the murderer.

In a March 5th press release Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard, Dabarran's boss, stated, "Needless to say, my Office was horrified by this verdict. Because Ahmed was such a kind and wonderful person, it is extremely difficult to accept that the man who brutally murdered him has walked free." The acquittal led Howard to announce that his office is planning a national symposium for prosecutors on how to effectively combat the use of the "gay panic" defense. "Gay crime victims must receive equal treatment as crime victims," Howard said. "It is our hope that this symposium will honor Ahmed as the man that we knew him to be and reinforce this important principle of social justice."

Controversy is not new to Cobb County over its treatment of gays. In 1993 the Cobb County Commission passed a resolution stating that the "gay lifestyle" was incompatible with community standards. The following year Cobb County lost the rights to host the 1996 Olympic volleyball games after the successful protests of Olympics Out of Cobb, a group which was angry about the anti-gay resolution. The Olympics controversy drew unwanted national and international attention to Cobb County.

We are pleased to announce that the Human Rights Campaign (HRC), the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (NGLTF), and Al-Fatiha Foundation (LGBTQ Muslims) have joined as sponsors of the candlelight vigil.

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Al-Fatiha
PO Box 33532
Washington, DC 20033

http://www.al-fatiha.org
gaymuslims@yahoo.com
202-223-3738

Al-Fatiha is a US-based organization dedicated to Muslims who are lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, questioning (LGBTIQ) Muslims and their allies.

That oughtta do it.

[EisigerBiskuit]

Do heteros have a flag? Bi's? Why don't we make fun of skinny people? How come you can say cracker and whitey in a racist way, but can't call someone black?

The world is stupid.

[Anonymous]

And you're a living example.

[ThisIsWitty]

I've got another question for any gay guys on these boards. Is attraction to other men based on looks of the gay man, or is it like women, and gay men are attracted more to better personality than good looks? :/

[executioneer]

or is it like women, and gay men are attracted more to better personality than good looks? :/

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[MLE]

you should die.

EDIT: aimed at witty.

[FartinMowler]

See, when I read something like that from Witty and people say that I'm Unintentionally Halarious, I have to take offense :lol

[ThisIsWitty]

Now I want to cry.

[EisigerBiskuit]

And you're a living example.
I love you

[ItalianStereotype]

yeah, fuck those dirty fags

[MLE]

:lol

i was really surprised (pleasantly) when you were just as much fun on the phone then as online.

plus, it makes everything ten times more hilarious knowing that you sound like a hitman. :>

[Supafly345]

If fags don't let it be known who they want to have sex with, then they would probably never get it.

[Anonymous]

You're not factoring in 'accident sex.'

[subterfuge]

Is accident sex when you trip and your dick falls into some guy's ass?

[pjalne]

Hey wait, what's the difference between accident sex and surprise sex?

[FS]

How about life-or-death sex? Like when a guy you meet in the street tells you you've contracted an incurable disease and the only cure is going to his house and having him sodomize you several times a...

hey guys? guys!?

[Dole]

Why do gay people want to "come out"? Are you telling the hetero sexual community? Or the gay community that your open for business? I just find it funny that gay people all of a sudden now have to tell everyone No coming out for the hetero...but suit yourself if it makes you happy, I think it's kinda silly and selfish to alienate the rest of society instead of just being a person.

I actually thought you were more intelligent than this Fartin. My mistake.

[FartinMowler]

I actually thought you were more intelligent than this Fartin. My mistake.


I'm not intelligent :/ I have random spurts of brilliance and then it all fades into the daily repiditive grind of daily life.

[Pub Lover]

Now you're just quoting my blog. :rolleyes

[Dole]

and adding spelling mistakes all his own...along with the unnecessary apostrophes.

[FartinMowler]

PUb lover is the Jim JOnes of the boards...

JIM JONES
1931—78, American religious leader, b. Lynn, Indiana. An influential Indianapolis preacher since the 1950s, Jones formed the People's Temple (1955), which he eventually moved to Ukiah, Calif. (1967) and then San Francisco (1971). After Jones became the subject of criminal investigations, particularly regarding his alleged diversion of cult members' donations for his personal use, he and about 1,000 followers relocated to Jonestown, Guyana (1977). In Nov., 1978, U.S. Congressman Leo J. Ryan was killed by cult members as he attempted to leave after an investigatory visit. The following day, Jones orchestrated the mass suicide of 912 followers, who were compelled to drink cyanide-laced punch. Jones died the same day of a bullet wound in his head.





Really though why can't gay's on the internet just be happy to make friends of any type person? If anyone has a stigma attached it would be a married late 30s guy that likes to make kids laugh (Max burbank threw a wrench into that one with his mini mock).

[Anonymous]

I think I speak for everyone here when I inquire as to what the fuck you're going on about.

[FartinMowler]

nevermind I wrote that in a hurry during my lunch break... :/ [/quote]

[kellychaos]

I'm getting a pair of underwear with "Open For Business" emblazened on one side ... and they will be symmetrical.

[The Retro Kat]

Why do gay people want to "come out"? Are you telling the hetero sexual community? Or the gay community that your open for business? I just find it funny that gay people all of a sudden now have to tell everyone :/ No coming out for the hetero...but suit yourself if it makes you happy, I think it's kinda silly and selfish to alienate the rest of society instead of just being a person.

It's something you need to get off your chest, its like getting a big secret off (well, it is getting a big secret off). It makes you feel better and says "Hey bitches, back away, I know I'm hot n shit, too bad."

And as for that whole sexual attraction thing, I have no fucking clue why I'm attracted to guys. But, like most everyone, you look first then find. However, I've never been with a guy, so I don't know.

[DeadKennedys]

JIM JONES


I was him for a history project :(

Rape: It's surprise sex... with a lesson.

[Supafly345]

:/ [/quote]

[FartinMowler]

It's something you need to get off your chest, its like getting a big secret off (well, it is getting a big secret off). It makes you feel better and says "Hey bitches, back away, I know I'm hot n shit, too bad."


what Secret? You have a whole infrastructure already set up by the gay community. friendship can come from anyone, so if it's love that your looking for, I personally think that the internet is a tacky way to "Come out" for any person. Wait until your mature enough to know who you want and not what you yearn.

[Pub Lover]

WTF is that shit you just spewed? >:

[EisigerBiskuit]

it sucks growing up one day and when your 12, all your friends find out your gay and start wailing on you :(

[Ftang Ftang Olay OLay]

is that personal experience

[EisigerBiskuit]

sort of, just replace gay with incredibly stupid

[Ftang Ftang Olay OLay]

so u still got your ass kicked

[FartinMowler]

:lol I don't know what's funnier, these two "Ass Clowns" or confusing Pub.


edited :/

[Ftang Ftang Olay OLay]

i prefer the term


"Assclown"

[Dole]

At least quote Monty Python correctly in your user name.

[EisigerBiskuit]

Fart is hitting on me omg ban him

[Anonymous]

Stop being so hateful, sister.

[ThisIsWitty]

K, R GHEYS LIEK ATRAKDET TO GOOD LOKS OR TO GURLS?

[FS]

Give it up, Witty. You can't do purposely bad spelling.

[Helm]

ThisIsWitty can hope to be nothing else than yet another recursive username-based meta-joke the likes of which the internet has seen many times.

[The Retro Kat]

what Secret? You have a whole infrastructure already set up by the gay community. friendship can come from anyone, so if it's love that your looking for, I personally think that the internet is a tacky way to "Come out" for any person. Wait until your mature enough to know who you want and not what you yearn.

Well, I guess its not a secret as much as letting people know who you are and what you stand for and what your beliefs are. For the most part, anyone is just assumed straight, or a faggot like biscuit or witty. If you met me, you prolly wouldn't think i was gay, I don't talk like a stereotypical gay, i play sports, hate shopping, pretty scraggly and unkempt, so why not let people know by saying who you are rather than them just assuming you are straight. Also, I didn't come out on the internet first, just an interesting tidbit about myself to let yall know. And internet dating is fucking useless.

[FartinMowler]

I think that is a pretty lame reason for "coming out" :/ "letting people know what I stand for". I can't "stand" having to have this new advertisement of gay, that never seems to end like rap music. It's not that special :/ "Hey everybody I'm a Dwarf" or "Hey everybody I'm a triple amputee" It won't happen not because there ashamed of it, it won't happen because there too busy living with it.

[Dole]

Anyone can SEE if you're a fucking dwarf or an amputee. 'Coming out' means telling your family and friends something about yourself that might not be obviously apparent to people. Something that is different from the assumptions people are likely to make about you.

Your argument sounds like the 'Hey, I am white and hetero, where's MY parade??' type of guff that lots of people spout.

[FS]

I'm so SICK of people coming up to me in the street and telling me they're gay.

[FartinMowler]

You know I hear what you guy's are saying, but I just think there is an arguement for gay's to be responsible and not give possibly lonely or shy impressionable young people the gloss of gay being cool and hip alternative lifestyle that will except them. If every single person on this site said they where gay tomorrow would I still be accepted as a hetero? If there was only one gay person on this site would he be shunned? I just don't think it's that important to tell people unless you will have to see them on a day to day basis, like the opposite of what FS said. I wouldn't get sick of no one ever telling me that there gay...If I had a best friend that was gay and lived his life with out me knowing and then one day, said he was gay and we couldn't be friend's because he wouldn't feel comfortable, that would be silly, right?

[Anonymous]

Good idea. I think we should take this one step further and make the fags wear little dog collars that administer deadly shocks every time they think gay thoughts, too.

[HickMan]

that lamb is so hot...

[FartinMowler]

Good idea. I think we should take this one step further and make the fags wear little dog collars that administer deadly shocks every time they think gay thoughts, too.


Such a small demographic group of people screaming for attention, so much so that you have to make accusation's that I would want you to wear leather collars and have parades :lol

[MLE]

no, you're just being an ass about this, and you know it.

[kellychaos]

What upsets you more Fartin, the fact of someone in your social circle disappointing you (in your eyes ) by revealing that they're gay with all the negative connotations you place on that or the fear that they may recruit your impressionable children?

[FartinMowler]

What upsets you more Fartin, the fact of someone in your social circle disappointing you (in your eyes ) by revealing that they're gay with all the negative connotations you place on that or the fear that they may recruit your impressionable children?

Again you have it ass backwards. :rolleyes go back to trying to be funny.

[FS]

I'm totally hip to this exciting and dangerous gay lifestyle! Maybe I'll give it a try!

Seriously Fartin, are you one of those people who thinks homosexuality is a conscious choice? Or possibly some kind of social virus? I don't know, I've never heard of straight guys taking a dick up the ass just so people would talk to them.

[FartinMowler]

Seriously Fartin, are you one of those people who thinks homosexuality is a conscious choice? Or possibly some kind of social virus?

I believe people are born with more of there mother or fathers Genes giving them a level of homosexuality. I don't believe that it's a social virus, but I do believe that what I have said before "an arguement for gay's to be responsible and not give possibly lonely or shy impressionable young people the gloss of gay being cool and hip alternative lifestyle that will except them".

[MLE]

the level of mom's or dad's genes has nothing to do with it. if you're so interested it it, why don't you just go and research it instead of relying on people here to give you the sought-after information.

[Helm]

I'd just like to add that the concept of dad/mom genes is really funny and tha I am henceforth adopting it. I'll be asking people if they're "straight like their dads" or "gay like their moms" and posting the various reactions here. Thank you. I love you.

[MLE]

you actually get your grandparent's genes, technically. that's why a lot of genetically inherited things skip a generation.

and why aren't you on MSN, helm?

[da blob]

meiosis.


DUMBASSES.

[FartinMowler]

Here's my "I hope you guy's won't hate me" present http://www.i-mockery.net/viewtopic.php?t=14135

You know I love you guy's no matter how gay you are :)

[The Retro Kat]

Honestly, I'd rather not be gay...I didn't really choose it, you know...It's just something I can't help.


It's kinda like telling people you're married or have a girlfriend/boyfriend, people don't need to know it, but it helps give insight into them as a person.

[Pub Lover]

...& it explains why you keep staring at their ass. :(

[Sethomas]

I remember typing "meiosis" in papers I wrote in high school and MS Word never approved of it. I will be a lexicographer someday.

[FS]

MS Word has some ridiculously exotic words implanted into it (mostly names), but some fairly ordinary words it doesn't recognize at all.

[Supafly345]

you actually get your grandparent's genes, technically. that's why a lot of genetically inherited things skip a generation.That's a misinterperatation. There are a handful of things like male-pattern baldness and colorblindness that only appears to skip a generation because the parent that it is passed through (the mother) cannot be effected by it (they can only be passed to the opposite gender child as well). Genes like eye color and height come from the family genes. Meaning each parent contains any number of genes that it can pass to its child, whether they show signs of it in themselves or not. For example, both parents may be short, and all the grandparents may be as well, but an uncle may be exceptionally tall so that tallness is in the parent's genes and may be passed along. There is a higher chance if it is from the parent though.
And example is that nobody on both sides of my family has large breasts except for my mother and my sisters, so that was immediately passed on. And on the other side of that coin, my grandparent's on my father's side had rather straight teeth, but I was the only one in my family to have naturally straight teeth without the need of braces.
So there is no distinct place where your attributes come from, it is just randomly inserted from a cache of genes from each parent.

[kellychaos]

I saw a movie about gay gay people and the hip, cool gay lifestyle looked rather enticing. So much so, as a matter of fact, that I'm thinking about taking a dick up my ass tonight. Does anyone know how to dress and where to go to pick up the homosexuals? Thank you.

[Sethomas]

Supafly, have you ever worked with Punnet Squares? They're tons of fun, and they prove in short order that your traits are determined by your grandparents. My heart sinks because I can't draw one very easily in a text box.

[Helm]

Actually, when I meet somebody, I don't presuppose anything about his or her sexuality. Maybe it's the generation gap, eh fartin?

[Supafly345]

Supafly, have you ever worked with Punnet Squares? They're tons of fun, and they prove in short order that your traits are determined by your grandparents. My heart sinks because I can't draw one very easily in a text box.I'll probably have to check them out then.

[The Retro Kat]

WHY U CHECKING OUT YOUR MOM AND SISTER'S TITS?

[MLE]

thank you for the backup on the punnett squares. i forgot the name of them at the time i made the post about grandparents genes, so i didn't being them up :>

[ziggytrix]

X Y
X XX XY
X XX XY


punnet square for gender shows that you have a 50/50 chance of male/female offspring. they get bigger when you have recessive traits and I haven't studied genetics in years, but saying you get your traits from your grandparents is as true as sayign you get them from your parents and as true as saying you get them from your great grandparents.

chromosomes (your genetic material) come in pairs (normally), and you get one from each parent. [edit - I don't know what possesed me to type this next sentence, as it is totally off] as they got one of each pair from their parent, there is approximately 50% of your grandparents genetic code simply not present in your genes.[/edit - that should be 75% shouldn't it?]


if we represent chromosome pairs as Aa = dad's dad, Bb = dad's mom, Cc = mom's dad, and Dd = mom's mom then your chromosomes will be



Aa Cc
B AB aB CB cB
b Ab ab Cb cb

D AD aD CD cD
d Ad ad Cd cd


so you've got 16 possible chromosome pairing outcomes, or a 1/16 predicted chance for any particular pair showing up in a grandchild. BUT once the children of the original generation are conceived, their genetic material is a matter of reality, not probability, so their offspring will NOT have the same chance as the punnet square for having a particular gene pairing.

or i could have just said punnet squares are for predictions of descendent's traits. they don't prove that you get your trait's from your grandparents, except in the sense that your parent's got their traits from your grandparents, and you got your traits from your parents, so yeah, you have a subset of your grandparent's gene pool.

i'm not sure that was very clear at all, and it's been a while so someone correct me if i made mistakes.

[FartinMowler]

Traits are very interesting. I have a mix of traits from my mom and dad that I only have, that my brother and sister didn't get. I'm the only one that is artistic/musical (mom) and mechanical (dad) stubborn (dad).

[Helm]

Bloody Mess

[FartinMowler]

:/ Not really I just portray a image on this site that some might find a bloody mess.

[Matt Harty]

Or you actually are a bloody mess.

[FartinMowler]

bloody is kinda harsh...more like a bucket of gravey or a neat pile of shit :)

[davinxtk]

A neat pile of shit is right, Fartin, I don't think any of the traits you just listed qualify as genetic.

Did anyone forget that the topic at hand is gay people coming out of the closet, or, more accurately, Fartin's irrational confusion about the subject?
The only time any homosexual I've ever known in my entire life has brought their sexuality to light is when it's specifically useful in conversation or life.
For example, when I was ten, my best friend (then 13) asked me if I had a problem with gay people. I told him that I didn't know any, and he told me that I did. I was the first person that he ever told, and it was a big step in his life.
Or, in another instance, last summer I was hitting on some girl and I tried to get her number. She pointed accross the festival we were at and said that her girlfriend wouldn't be happy about that.
It's not like people just dance around yelling that they're gay.
And yes, bisexual people and straight people do have a flag. The rainbow flag symbolizes diversity, it's not strictly a gay pride flag as many closed-minded heteros would be quick to label it.

[FartinMowler]

I wish I could be cool like Davin.

Listen buddy, Ive lived in the gayest of gay area's and worked with the gayest of gay. I lived in a rooming home that I had to share with a gay guy that would have sex with his boyfriend and I got the honour of listening to the thumping on the floor more times than I wish to think about. I'm 38 not 16. I was just poking fun at the younger gay people that think it's cool to tell people. Oh and the room mate in my rooming home died of aids. (that's not a joke)

[davinxtk]

You're seriously going to sit here and try to out-gay me?



I'M TALKING TO YOU, DUMBASS. I LIVE IN THIS GENERATION.
It's not the humongous fucking big deal you seem to think it is. People just don't keep as many secrets anymore.

[MetalMilitia]

:lol

[HickMan]

ALLZ I KNOW IS GAYS ARE FOR FAGS. BA-BOOM

[kellychaos]

This thread is fabulous.

[FartinMowler]

You're seriously going to sit here and try to out-gay me? :lol
Ok question : When thousands transient gay people come to a city like Toronto for gay pride day and the parade are they here for

A: Seminars on how to prevent gay teen suicide
B: sight see
C: Get drunk in bars and have sex

[Terra]

Sorry dude. But A, B, and C does NOT exclude gays from anything else that ANYBODY goes to marches for. Everybody attends seminars for whatever the theme (flavor) is and everybody goes to bars and a few go out and have sex. Your shoving it all on to "gay" when in fact it's a social event.

Replace "gay" with any other title and you have a human event. The only people placing emphasis on what they do are people who haven't unpacked their own fucking baggage yet and insist on lumping their own paranoia on a lifestyle that they do not understand or fear and have no intention of dealing with it.

Nor are you being cosmopolitan by mentioning the fact that you had a gay roommate therefore you qualify as a liberal jury over the lifestyle. That signifies nothing. If anything you demonstrate piss poor empathetic qualities towards any lifestyle that is outside of your own comfort zone and the very fact that this thread was created by you indicates this.

[davinxtk]

Fartin, for a long time I thought you had at least some kind of brain function left. You know, it was the sort of eternally confused, thrashing, wasting-time-until-you-die brain function that a cat whose skull has just been crushed under a car tire has, but at least it was there. You've just proven to me that, spare nerve activity in your typing fingers, you're pretty much one hundred percent comatose.
The point wasn't to say "You're seriously going to sit here and try to out-gay me?" as though I could clearly out-gay you with my superb fashion sense and loose asshole; it's that you're a childish fucking idiot for trying to one-up me in regards to how much we know about homosexuals. What pushing-fifty, clawing for youth kind of a status symbol is that? Have you lost all ability to reason?
Go fucking brag to the kids about how much you know about gay people. Go tell the wife you're fully learned on the ways of the homosexual. I think you might want to keep this quiet around the neighbors, though, you don't want them getting the wrong idea.
Or the right one, for that matter.






Oh, and for the record:
D: All of the above.

[FartinMowler]

Terra's answer was just a whitewash and Davins was just an attack on me. http://www.boyzone2.com/chadzboyz/pride/2001/parade/105-0594_img_std.jpg

I'm sure this guy is marching for a social cause.

[davinxtk]

You're not making a point by posting a picture of an exhibitionist.
Gay or straight, male or female, transsexual or gender prototype, you're going to find weirdos and exhibitionists everywhere. It's not something you can ever get around.

That guy very clearly isn't the norm for gay people, nor is he a carbon copy of every member of the parade.
Your example alone shows how closed-minded you are on the subject.

[The Retro Kat]

God davin, you're a faggot...



And you also have no clue. No fucking clue. I can out-gay you anyday. Quite frankly, its usually not a choice to be gay. Many gay people don't want to be gay, many embrace it. Sall gravy, it very well could be genetic.

FAGZOID :rolleyes

[Terra]

Farty, when you posted pictures of your nutsack, that was as close to a logical social comment that you've made yet. As ugly as it was THAT actually made sense coming from you. Any idea you tried to impress on anybody from there on out was completely lost.

That picture is a stellar point. I suppose I could dig that nutsack picture back up and post it here too just to drive the "consider the source" home. That and this picture just rams it all home that instead of typing and logically stating your point of view, resorting to joke tactics is an issue of avoidance that your using.

[FartinMowler]

I'm sorry Terra did you say something? I was looking at your boobs :blah

[Terra]

I was just saying that it was a very nice picture of Helm.

[davinxtk]

God davin, you're a faggot...



And you also have no clue. No fucking clue. I can out-gay you anyday. Quite frankly, its usually not a choice to be gay. Many gay people don't want to be gay, many embrace it. Sall gravy, it very well could be genetic.

FAGZOID :rolleyes

Where the fuck is this coming from? When did I say it was a choice? What's going on here that's got your panties in a twist?

[Helm]

Haha guys i think terra is trying to bait me i guess she enjoys the attention omg terra is such a troll right guys

[Terra]

Please stop fagging up the gay thread, Helm.

Thnx!

[Helm]

oh man what should i respond with guys i don't want to lose face here she's just a noob i don't want to lose this internet fight!!

[hawaiian mage]

Actually, I think FartinMowler has a point. Gay people DO like to emphasise the differences between them and everyone else.

It's proven by science. At least twice.

[kellychaos]

I prefer apathy to empathy. It's all part of Everything ... the whites, blacks, greys of sexuality ... over something that doesn't even involve the people that get so upset over it. It becomes white noise to me until the haters get involved and things like what happened to Mathew Shephard (sp?) occur. That's the worst face of humanity and I'll go to my grave not understanding it ... just as I don't understand homosexuality. In the case of homosexuality; however, I don't try to understand it because it is not FOR me to understand. It simply IS. I can't even understand the stimulus behind what attracts me to a certain kind of woman over another and I'm certainly not going to make the leap to get inside the mind of a homosexual much less try to stereotype them into one kind of personality profile.

[FartinMowler]

That was very nice Kelly (finally) :)

I would like to say one final thing...When I pointed out that I lived in a house and had to hear two guy's "going at it" and it was annoying only for the fact that I was alone in a strange house with nothing but one of those long lawn chairs to sleep on, clothes and some books. It could have been two women or a guy and girl that made noise and I would have been annoyed. I only met the guy a few times in the morning in the kitchen and we chatted. It was months later, after I moved out and I saw him and his friend at a local mall, that I knew he was sick... and then later met another room mate that told me that he passed away. that was in the early 90s. I hope everyone is as smart as me and wears a condom or some form of protection. Try your best to find a person that you will stay with until you die like me :/

[The Retro Kat]

I didn't really put a lot of time reading your posts davin, cause i already know what they are about anyways...absolute shit. Alls I got out of your post was that you got a boner when your 13 year old boyfriend seduced you when you were ten or some shit like that. Obviously you didn't put a lot of time reading the topic, either, or you would know what the fuck we were talking about. Fuck, you don't even know what the fuck you are talking about. Alls I know is DAVIN IS A BIG FLAMING PILE OF FAGGOT.

[davinxtk]

Why do gay people want to "come out"? Are you telling the hetero sexual community? Or the gay community that your open for business? I just find it funny that gay people all of a sudden now have to tell everyone No coming out for the hetero...but suit yourself if it makes you happy, I think it's kinda silly and selfish to alienate the rest of society instead of just being a person.

That's the first post in the thread.

My first post is a direct response to it.
The point is, I've never seen people running around saying they were gay for no reason.

The only time any homosexual I've ever known in my entire life has brought their sexuality to light is when it's specifically useful in conversation or life.

Now what part of that did you miss, dearest?

[Helm]

can't even understand the stimulus behind what attracts me to a certain kind of woman over another and I'm certainly not going to make the leap to get inside the mind of a homosexual much less try to stereotype them into one kind of personality profile.

And isn't that convinient? The stimuli behind your attraction to women, whereas not extremely conclusively documented, are be safely said to be by 90% genetic and biochemical. They mostly have to do with 'base' instinct where selecting a mate for reproduction is about the mate being fit and healthy, young and strong. The supposedly mystified concept of 'beauty' can - somewhat unfairly, I give you that - be broken down to biological aspects where facial symmetry suggests the lack of disease and certain prominent characteristics suggest racial traits which are considered by our biological memory compatible with oneself. Instinct is one eugenic, racist motherfucker.

Furthermore, being socially compatible with the other person is a plus, due to a deep-rooted concept of loneliness, that any sentient being feels. I'm not talking about goth bwah I am alone the darkness swallows me loneliness. I am talking about the substantial loneliness that occurs when a being first notes the dualistic division between 'self' and 'everything else'. When you understand that your mind is a world in to itself. Being able to communicate superficially with another human being creates the promise of more substantial communication on a level which sadly is impossible through words. So if the person you're having some success at communicating with is ugly, then you think 'friend'. If she's beautiful, you think 'mate'. You'd think 'mate' if she were beautiful and unconscious too, but if she's up and talking and making sense and willing, all the better. That's basically it.

Obviously, there are a host of social neuroses and hang-ups that deal with the selection of mate and it's too much hassle (and honestly not completely in my ability) to document them now, like peer pressure, societal programming (hello, ladder theory) inappropriate handling by guardians etc

Homosexual animals are to some extent cultivated genetic errors, as they, as animals fail on the second most important task of any organism, the production of offspring. From a biological standpoint, there is no other way to look at homosexuality.

From a sociological and psychologic standpoint, things are more complicated. Homosexuals who have no genetic leaning towards finding same-sex partners attractive (and it is my oppinion that most people that claim to be gay nowdays are of this sort, rather than hopeless biological cases) have chosen a different 'club' to belong in than most, but still, they long for belonging all the same. And besides, if you have a sexually active prostate, homosexual intercourse one can get used to. Top that with how much easier it is to be in a same-sex relationship because you can communicate better, do not have to deal with sexual shyness, it's not difficult to be gay, today.

People choose a lot of labels to identify with and so substantiate their existence. One of the most prominent labels one adopts relatively early in life is that of his gender. His sex is a given, but one is of a gender by choice. So if nothing else, a man in need of an idenity might as well go gay. Just as other people join tennis clubs and others say 'I'll be a writer now'. Therein lies the most horrible social neurosis of the modern man: The need to be thoroughly labeled. Humans are animals that crave safety. And because men (as opposed to animals) have an abstract understanding of the whole world (whereas animals rely on limited genetic memory and their sensory perception of their surroundings), they can never be safe until they've catalogued and priorized as much of the world as possible. And people are easier to understand when you just have to deal with their labels. And it's ironic because most people claim their 'individuality' being paramount. But the way most modern people become 'individuals' is by collecting as many labels as possible. It's a way to 'flesh out' yourself. Architect. Student. Visionary. Gay. Life's a fucking race and the one with the biggest description wins.

So yeah, Fartin might not have the brain capacity to eloquently say what he's meaning, but there is a point that gay men and women make a point out of this particular label they've picked up. One can understand why. Being straight is hardly a label. It's presupposed, as fartin said. So when you want to aquire a new label, you broadcast it as much as possible.

[kellychaos]

The supposedly mystified concept of 'beauty' can - somewhat unfairly, I give you that - be broken down to biological aspects where facial symmetry suggests the lack of disease and certain prominent characteristics suggest racial traits which are considered by our biological memory compatible with oneself. Instinct is one eugenic, racist motherfucker.


Emmanuel Kant would love this if you threw God and some kind of metaphysical matrix in the mix somewhere.


From a sociological and psychologic standpoint, things are more complicated. Homosexuals who have no genetic leaning towards finding same-sex partners attractive (and it is my oppinion that most people that claim to be gay nowdays are of this sort, rather than hopeless biological cases) have chosen a different 'club' to belong in than most, but still, they long for belonging all the same.


So if one were isolated from society for all his/her life, would genetic or societal forces be stronger in making their decision for them? Would their decision have been made during isolation? Assuming they were genetically heterosexual? Assuming they were genetically homosexual? I do agree that both environment and nature each have an effect on one's decision but was just not clear on just what percentages each has in deciding. I've never thought of it in terms of needing to belong or needing a label. It's an interesting idea that I'll have to give more thought to.

[FartinMowler]

So yeah, Fartin might not have the brain capacity to eloquently say what he's meaning :/ It's true.

[The Retro Kat]

My first post is a direct response to it.
The point is, I've never seen people running around saying they were gay for no reason.

The only time any homosexual I've ever known in my entire life has brought their sexuality to light is when it's specifically useful in conversation or life.

Now what part of that did you miss, dearest?


Conversation with a gay

"So, john, how about those cubbies?"
"I'm gay."
"Yeah, that's cool and shit, but stop beating around the bush."


There is no specifically useful point in conversation to bring it up unless you're talking about homosexuality.

[Captain Goodtimes]

Speaking of the cubs, they won today. Too bad they'll probably fuck up again.

[davinxtk]

There is no specifically useful point in conversation to bring it up unless you're talking about homosexuality.


There's no specifically useful point in conversation to bring it up unless you're talking about sexuality.
Or where you're going this evening.
Or people you're seeing.
Or highschool.
Or any of a hundred topics where it might be useful for me to know that the guy or girl I'm speaking with prefers attention from guys, or girls respectively.


Shut the fuck up and stop trying so hard.

[Captain Goodtimes]

Yah retro, strop trying so hard to be gay :rolleyes

[davinxtk]

Were the people around here always this stupid?

[Terra]

:trickquestion

[The Retro Kat]

Were the people around here always this stupid?http://24.60.240.39/mrh/0805as.jpg


Gay Friend: You got problem with gays, cause im gay and can beat you up and shit.
Davin: No.
Gay Friend: Good, cause then we're fuckin.
Davin: Shit.

[Helm]

Retro Kat has become ten times more funny since he came out of the closet. Still not funny enough to be called funny, but hey.

[The Retro Kat]

I still don't have a chance with you, huh?

[kellychaos]

Helm can beat you up and shit.

[Helm]

Yeah you dirty fag

[The Retro Kat]

Aw fuck.

[XForeverMooreX]

- then of course the whole Gay Marriage thing comes up (which I totally support by that way) I also think that we spend way too much time worrying about other peoples sexuality nowadays... who cares! Sex and love are two great things... it shouldn't matter who you get it from < yes... that was a bit corny :love

[executioneer]

why in the fuck did you bump this shit old thread

[BlueOatmeal]

Why the fuck would all the fags want tp go though the hellish nightmare that is marragie. If I was a fag I would be all like "Hey my fag lover we are not getting married!" I'm sure he would cry becuase thats what fags do, but I would just give him a strong anal pounding and everything would be fine.

[kellychaos]

Nothing civil about THAT union. :(