View Full Version : Germans Drawn to Hitler Again
Zebra 3
Sep 21st, 2004, 10:17 AM
(IMDb) More than 100,000 Germans packed theaters throughout the country Thursday night to see The Downfall, starring Bruno Ganz in the role of Adolf Hitler. Critics were deeply divided over the film, particularly because some of the scenes depict the wartime German leader sympathetically. However, British historian Ian Kershaw, who has written a respected book about Hitler, told the BBC. "Of all the portrayals of Hitler, this is the first which I found convincing."
FS
Sep 21st, 2004, 10:55 AM
I can't really understand this knee-jerk reaction that seems to have been programmed almost instinctually into most of the world. All you have to do is not portray Hitler as a pants-wetting, satanic lunatic, and people whose parents weren't even born during his part of history are ready to jump down your throat and call you a nazi.
Keeping people like Hitler at arm's length with words like evil and madman, in my opinion, only hampers your ability to understand how he could rise to power.
I caught a fragment of this movie on TV yesterday, where near the end of the war, Hitler and his closest boys were hiding out in their bunker, and they decided mass suicide would be better than getting caught. The scene where they force the kids to drink poison is truly chilling. :/
conus
Sep 21st, 2004, 02:59 PM
Keeping people like Hitler at arm's length with words like evil and madman, in my opinion, only hampers your ability to understand how he could rise to power.
Couldn't agree more. It perpetuates "it could never happen here" sentiment. Hitler was a madman, whereas FOX news anchors, for example, are regular Americans simply telling the plain truth for once.
Ant10708
Sep 21st, 2004, 03:17 PM
?
Fox news anchors are the present day equals to Hitler?
Preechr
Sep 21st, 2004, 03:19 PM
Well, we wouldn't want people to look too far into it now, would we? It's much better for everyone involved if we just assume He and all the people of Germany went a bit nuts for little while than it would be to start pointing fingers at, say, those that sanctioned the Hell out of Germany post WWI...
That would be non-productive... in a history is written by the winners sort of way...
conus
Sep 21st, 2004, 03:41 PM
Fox news anchors are the present day equals to Hitler?
No. But Hitler and crew were able to divert public attention, channeling fear and anger toward a scapegoat. The American right wing does this all the time and people eat it up. "If it weren't for all them god-damn Mexicans, I'd be a brain surgeon by now."
Preechr
Sep 21st, 2004, 05:43 PM
The "left" is just as bad as the "right" at that, just in a different way. For every Republican racist there's a Democrat that can only identify people by their classification, ie: African-American-Lesbian, Handicapable-Native-American or Mentally-Challenged-Urban-Outdoorsperson. For each class of American, there is an anti-that-class oppressor, even though usually it's just the same fat, evil, white guy with a sicko laugh. ...and a cigar. ...and a top-hat. ...that doesn't pay his fair share of taxes.
To the left, we are each nothing without some sort of group identity, and there's so many of those we each are members of a minority. Add to that each minority has some sort of oppressor, and thus an excuse for everything that we do wrong... To live outside a neatly labeled box is impossible to the left, just as those on the right... the top-hat wearing evil landlords... can't help but see the world in the simplest black and white terms. ...Sometimes literally.
Both sides define most other people primarily by their perceived deficiencies. In the end, most of us are all the same.
Big McLargehuge
Sep 21st, 2004, 05:46 PM
Mentally-Challenged-Urban-Outdoorsperson.
i know when you said this you were talking about homeless people but for some reason i imagined a yeti living in New York :(
Preechr
Sep 21st, 2004, 06:24 PM
LOL
El Blanco
Sep 21st, 2004, 06:42 PM
Mentally-Challenged-Urban-Outdoorsperson.
i know when you said this you were talking about homeless people but for some reason i imagined a yeti living in New York :(
Ya, I thought he meant my neighbor, too.
conus
Sep 21st, 2004, 06:53 PM
For each class of American, there is an anti-that-class oppressor, even though usually it's just the same fat, evil, white guy with a sicko laugh. ...and a cigar. ...and a top-hat. ...that doesn't pay his fair share of taxes.
But that's not quite the same thing. What I meant was that Republicans, in 1980, 1988, and during the more recent Newt Gingrich "revolution," were able to play on the fears, ignorance and prejudices of the predominantly white middle class, convicing them that their hard-earned money was being thrown away-- given to lazy welfare cheats. Unspoken, of course, was the incorrect notion that most welfare recipients were non-white or of foreign extraction. Nor did it matter that in reality very little of their money went toward welfare. Nevertheless, in much the way it was done in 1930's Germany, they effectively created scapegoats.
Preechr
Sep 21st, 2004, 09:25 PM
Well, I wasn't so much arguing with your "some people suck" theory as much as I was attempting to build upon it... expand it to an "everybody sucks" theory. I'll give you credit when we win the Nobbel Prize. I heard they were going to take that Pelstinian guy's back... Maybe we'll get that one.
AChimp
Sep 21st, 2004, 09:29 PM
http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a192/a192.gif
Preechr
Sep 21st, 2004, 09:32 PM
*buys shirt*
Emu
Sep 21st, 2004, 10:34 PM
18 dollars? Fuck no.
EisigerBiskuit
Sep 21st, 2004, 10:56 PM
I buy my shirts anywhere but a Wal-mart, so $18 isn't so bad
Emu
Sep 21st, 2004, 11:14 PM
Since this thread is now about shirts, you can get 3 shirts for 18 dollars from Family Dollar that are more comfortable than any shit you could get from Wal-Mart.
Zebra 3
Oct 1st, 2004, 07:17 PM
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http://img63.exs.cx/img63/6374/DancingBanana1.gif - Yeah!
thebiggameover
Oct 1st, 2004, 09:48 PM
websatan prevents me from seeing achimps pic...
:(
Ant10708
Oct 1st, 2004, 10:14 PM
It reads the words "What about all the GOOD things Hitler did?" and a picture of Hitler holding flowers in a raised hand.
Jeanette X
Oct 3rd, 2004, 12:29 AM
It reads the words "What about all the GOOD things Hitler did?" and a picture of Hitler holding flowers in a raised hand.
I thought it was a feather duster. :/
Zhukov
Oct 3rd, 2004, 02:32 AM
I'd like to know what you thought he was dusting. Panzers, no doubt.
Zebra 3
Oct 3rd, 2004, 09:18 PM
[center:27ac07e204]- Hitler's Art: Flowers - (http://www.hitler.org/art/flowers)[/center:27ac07e204]
Preechr
Oct 3rd, 2004, 09:34 PM
F-ing creepy.
"Before amassing his fortune with the enormous royalties from the publication of his hugely popular Mein Kampf, Hitler earned a living by using his artistic skills to produce paintings that were sold to the public or used for postcards. Hitler was a great student of the fine arts and studied music, opera, painting, sculpture, and architecture. While living in Vienna under conditions of poverty, he read voraciously and still managed to spend whatever meager income he had to attend lectures, concerts, opera, and the theater. Even when he barely had enough money to survive he refused to compromise and always purchased the best paints, brushes, paper, and canvas. As a remarkably prolific artist, he is estimated to have created between 2000 and 3000 drawings, watercolors, and oil paintings. His artistic talent revealed itself at an early age and continued painting and drawing throughout his life. Even while behind the front lines in World War 1, he continued to paint in his spare time and contributed instructional drawings and cartoons to the military newspaper..."
Ant10708
Oct 3rd, 2004, 11:23 PM
Doesn't the U.N. own most of his paintings now? :/
EisigerBiskuit
Oct 3rd, 2004, 11:32 PM
He painted... during the war... :eek
Zebra 3
Jan 6th, 2005, 08:07 PM
(Reuters/Hollywood Reporter )"Downfall," a controversial depiction of Adolf Hitler's final days, has won the Bavarian Film Prize's audience award, one of Germany's top film honors, organizer Bayerische Fernsehen said Wednesday.
The epic drama has been a major box office success in Germany, taking in about EUR30 million ($39.8 million), but many critics have condemned "Downfall" for giving the Nazi leader a too-human face.
The audience award was chosen by viewers of Bayerische film magazine Kino Kino, listeners of radio station Bayern 3 and readers of regional newspaper the Abendzeitung.
The film's director, Oliver Hirschbiegel, will receive the award Jan. 14 at a gala ceremony in Munich, coincidentally the birth place of the Nazi Party.
"Downfall" is Germany's official submission for foreign-language Oscar consideration. Newmarket is releasing the film in the United States, with a Feb. 18 bow in New York and Feb. 25 in Los Angeles.
DehydratedPorkMan
Jan 6th, 2005, 10:25 PM
Keeping people like Hitler at arm's length with words like evil and madman, in my opinion, only hampers your ability to understand how he could rise to power.
Couldn't agree more. It perpetuates "it could never happen here" sentiment. Hitler was a madman, whereas FOX news anchors, for example, are regular Americans simply telling the plain truth for once.
Haha you made a funny!
Cosmo Electrolux
Jan 12th, 2005, 02:30 PM
I really want to see this movie....
DeadKennedys
Jan 17th, 2005, 04:38 PM
I caught a fragment of this movie on TV yesterday, where near the end of the war, Hitler and his closest boys were hiding out in their bunker, and they decided mass suicide would be better than getting caught. The scene where they force the kids to drink poison is truly chilling. :/
Hitler killed himself actually because of the pains he had from a life long sickness.
Yes, I read Mein Kampf :(
Sethomas
Jan 17th, 2005, 09:46 PM
Which was written something like 25 years before his isolation and suicide?
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