Kerry tells President Bush he will concede White House race

[HNICPantitude]

Kerry tells President Bush he will concede White House race at 1 PM ET...

WOOHOO!!!

[FS]

well, that's it then. I'm looking at the next four years with a mixture of concern and bitterness.

[HNICPantitude]

You should be looking more closely at the EU Constitution which is to be ratified November 2006, than you should at our country, and its continued path toward perfection. Europe has BIG problems ahead.

[Miss Modular]

Well, at least Jeb will never have to run.

[Bobo Adobo]

Watching c-span was entertaining last night. All of the Kerry supporters sounded astounded when they called in, they had that "what is happening to our country" attitude.

Then every Bush supporter that called in sounded like either a little kid or a dumb red neck. They all had the dumbest reasons for supporting Bush.

[FS]

and its continued path toward perfection.

You're so ridiculous.

[AChimp]

Here's to another 4 years of alienating every other nation on the planet! :rave

[Cosmo Electrolux]

You should be looking more closely at the EU Constitution which is to be ratified November 2006, than you should at our country, and its continued path toward perfection. Europe has BIG problems ahead.

This country is headed down the shitter because of retards like you and Ronnie....and in Iraq, Americans continue to die for oil. I'm so proud......

[Ant10708]

Here's to another 4 years of alienating every other nation on the planet! :raveExcept Japan :)

[Strapping Young Lad]

in a wierd, twisted way I'm glad Bush won re-election. I know the general mood around here is gonna be "the country's going to hell", but look at it this way: the majority of the country is obviously blinded by a religious text that's been editted, revised and translated for thousands of years. It's going to take something really big and really terrible to wake people up from their little world. With Bush in office, it's only a matter of time.

[HNICPantitude]

Die for oil? Are you on the DNC fax point list?

[Dole]

Just dont come back here, thats all.

[HNICPantitude]

England, Canada, Netherlands or some shit.... what are all you foreigners talking about? YOU DONT GET TO VOTE FOR OUR PRESIDENT. I know your countries are small and don't really have a large influence on the world (England excepted) but we, too, started as a small and insignificant country. Only through hard work, and a rigid capitalist belief system, have we gotten as far as we have. You should all focus on how to make money for yourselves and vote in your own leaders, rather than worry about the "idiots" over here in our little country. First off, Canada..... please rebuild your military and healthcare systems. Also, in today's "world environment," shouldn't we be past voting on issues such as secession. Can't all your provinces get along?

Let me help each of you. Take this message back to your people and perhaps your countries can become independent:

Canada

You must leave room in your budget for a military. I know it has to be embarrassing to be the only civilized nation in history whose military went bankrupt.

Socialized healthcare WILL NOT WORK. Don't believe that? Look at Norway, England, and nearly every other country in Europe. You must privatize your healthcare, and spend money on research and development. Go compare statistics on the average wait tim for a standard procedure... say a hip replacement. Good luck.

You must eliminate envy of America in your culture and try to find your own identity and culture. By propmoting the positives of living in America's shadow, you may be able to capture some of its' financial drain off, and rebuild that military!

Stop coming here for jobs, and stop coming for vacation. All you do at that point is feed the pig. I don't know what to do with ALL of this money we have.

Netherlands (or whatever generic Euro-crap pseudo country you are from FS)

STOP trying to meld Europe into some type of financial force. France will eventually destroy the euro. Look at their numbers. They have not met minimum requirements once since the inception.

STOP going to the rave and try and eat some meat sometimes instead of whatever the hell you sickly looking people eat. Adopt English as your primary language. This will help you in furthering your financial gains in your very own brand new INDEPENDENT (you may have to consult Webster's Dictionary) country.

STOP having mock elections for president's of other countries. This is counter-productive. You must spend this time fighting off the socialist EU Conststution that is about to be shoved up you unsuspecting collective asses.

Europe has too many problems to address - conquer these small steps, and I'll give you three more.

England

Stick to music and comedy. We like you more that way. Maybe I'll put together a list of British voters and have people call them at their homes. Perhaps a tip list of how to speak to a limey might help some American's get their mesage through on how to influence your government.

STOP taxing everything, you will never redistribute your money equally once France and the Euro take it all from you. Don't you still actually have money? If so, why in God's name would you give it to France. You used to have balls.

Last but not least, let's get past the American Revolution. We won. We are bigger, richer, and much much more powerful. Praise your Prime Minister for cooperating with us (tip: he chose correctly)... and ditch the monarchy crap already. Is there any purpose in that nowadays. Moving on to real government, do you still wear wigs in the House of Lords?


In closing, together, we can all become our own countries with our own interests and economies. We can each vote in our own leaders.... and maybe even make a buck or two while we're at it. Now you kids have work to do. Off you go.

W2 - 4 More

[Spectre X]

GOD DAMMIT NO NO NO FUCK FUCK FUCK SHIT CUNT COCKS COCKS COCKS!

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!

[Anonymous]

Panty.

It doesn't concern you at ALL that Bush is unquestionably moronic?

[HNICPantitude]

How so Chojin? Give me real arguments instead of the cliche media-driven bullshit fax points. Seriously.

[Anonymous]

Didn't you watch the debates? Or see that there are several day-to-day calendars packed with the stupid shit he's said in well under 4 years of his term? Or hear him say that we would not have an all-volunteer army and need to be corrected by the crowd?

Really, that you'd need me to point out that the man is as dumb as a bag of hammers says something about you and your party.

[HNICPantitude]

Speaking ability and charisma are quite a bit different than leadership ability, intelligence, and political aptitude. George Bush is extremely clear in his plans and details them in far greater detail than Kerry ever did. Do you not agree that an intelligent person can be a horrible public speaker?

[Anonymous]

So what you're trying to tell me is that the man is brilliant within his own head, it just turns stupid moments before exiting his mouth.

Whatever helps you sleep at night on a down pillow stuffed with blood money, Panty.

[HNICPantitude]

I have yet to hear you present your argument on issues or the candidate's plans for the future of this country. I could give a shit if he said Internet, Internets, or "the AOL." What helps me sleep at night is feeling confident that we have a leader capable of defending the country, more than confident enough to make decisions, right OR wrong and stick with them, and take a realistic approach to how to approach the economy.

John Kerry, in the end, had $6500 in benefits PER PERSON outlined in his grand agenda for this country. Now, how the fuck are we suppoesed to pay for that?

John Kerry, would have used Israel as a sacraficial lamb to seduce our former "allies" (a.k.a. modern day enemies) into sending 35 troops and $10,000 to Iraq, and publically proclaiming Kerry a "brilliant" leader.

The list goes on and on and on. Democrats can't unify their base. Instead, they are forced to try and appease hundreds, if not thousands of special interest groups with assinine demands, in order to bolster their own vote count.

Sounds great in theory, but then again, so dis Karl Marx' theories. Unfortunately, in the real world, all of these social programs and benefits for "all men" require money.

So, why is it that you voted for John Kerry Chojin? Without answering sarcastically, why not identify 10 reasons you voted for John Kerry. I can easily do the same for my candidate. Most Republicans can. I have yet to meet a democrat that could,

[ziggytrix]

WTF, you are happy we have a leader who's confident enough to stick witha wrong decision?!

FUCK OFF AND DIE PLEASE.

[Spectre X]

So very, very angry right now...

I'd really like to kill someone now.

[ziggytrix]

No need, spectre, this bullshit can only reseult in self-destruct.

Stock up on marsmallows and raosting sticks is my advice.

[AChimp]

It's sad that they were able to convince you into thinking that your country is in some kind of horrible danger and needs to be protected with military power first and foremost.

[Spectre X]

No need, spectre, this bullshit can only reseult in self-destruct.

Stock up on marsmallows and raosting sticks is my advice.

No need for stocking up.

When the end comes, and I do mean when, my course of action will go something like this:

"I knew it."

and then my mind shatters into a million pieces, I strip down to my boxers, put on some rubber boots, put on a funny hat or something and go stand outside laughing at the falling nukes.

[HNICPantitude]

One line responses. Sarcastic remarks. Useless insults. WHAT IS YOUR PLAN TO LEAD A COUNTRY OF OVER 300,000,000 PEOPLE? Is it to Rock to Vote with 18 year olds who dont know shit about shit, and historically "fight the establishment" or is to hand over our military to a useless fucking organization that should be exposed for the corrupt laden lie that it is? Or do you just want to write checks to every other country? What? What is your plan?

[HNICPantitude]

I guess that question just silences all of you? Maybe you can just ignore it until Burbank gets here and fights your battle for you. I honestly dont believe there is a democrat on this board who can give me ten serious reasons they voted for John Kerry (if they even voted - I know it was raining in some places and all).

[Anonymous]

Sure.

- The man isn't an idiot.

- Taking steps to make other countries not hate the nation I live in quite as much seems like a good thing to me.

- Even though Kerry clearly said he didn't support this line of thought, I am not of the opinion that the US is somehow more important than all other countries of the world put together. I think under Kerry, we would have had some checks and balances with the rest of the world.

- Our educational system is sad at best and under-funded, which is evidenced in no greater way than the fact that we just re-elected a man who at least thinks and talks like an idiot, and most of America can really relate to that.

- Rich people don't need an 89 billion tax cut as much as our country needed the money to help fund our inane war in iraq and thousands of programs at home.

- Our administration started an endless 'war,' which has already overextended our armies and completely missed its projected goal. It's making a mockery of the intelligence of every American to trust anything they're doing, but it isn't like that was really hard to do in the first place.

- The supreme court was already conservative without adding three more lapdogs to the mix. Bush will now not only get anything he wants, but with no re-election possible in the future, he has nothing to lose, and will irrepairably damage the country and the documents on which it was founded in the name of his crazed beliefs.

- Bush is trying to impose christian values onto everyone in the nation, with a ban on abortion and same-sex marriage outlawed in the constitution. Being a not-christian, this does not make me happy.

- Under Bush, we've had several civil liberties stripped through the passing of the Patriot act, and Patriot II is still in the making. The country is slowing beginning to turn into an Orwellian nightmare, wherein people gladly give up their freedom to feel safe. A former director of the CIA once said "Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither."

- And we'll get neither, since it's obvious security isn't the primary concern of this administration. Upon invading iraq, the only defended building was the oil ministry, and no-one even tried to check in at a well-known munitions dump to see if there was anything there. Aside from showing Bush's intentions in invading Iraq all-too-clearly to all-but-Americans, it also showed that he's apparently uninterested in the security of this nation.

Those are 10, but I feel like I'm playing tennis with a brick wall.

[Spectre X]

What we would like, Pant, would be a president that doesn't put his country and the rest of the world in grave mortal danger.

[Anonymous]

I guess those reasons just silences all of you? Maybe you can just ignore it, because there's no possible way coherently answering to something could take somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 minutes if you want to make a reasoned argument!

This is America! WE DON'T STAND FOR REASON HERE.

[mburbank]

Pantydude, you're the villian of the moment for precisely the reason you say is inconsequential in Bush. You can articulate your thoughts. I say that such a quality is neccesary for good leadership. I won't argue whether W is actually stupid or not. I don't know him.

I will argue that intellectual curiosity and communication skills are esential leadership qualitiesm and I will argue that W. Lacks both in spades.

Exit polls showed something missed by our sterling media up until now. The most important issue in the minds of voters was not Iraq, not the economy, it was morality.

Will you argue any of these points.

A.) The President can imbue a nation with morality by some sort of moral osmosis.

B.) This president is more moral then Kerry, or particularly moral at all.

C.) The most importnat reason to pick a candidate is their percieved morality.

D.) Morality is important is of primary importance as a leadership quality.

E.) A person's morality is reflected by accepting Jesus as your personal.
savior.

F.) Making noise about a constitutional ammendment banning Gay Marriage is a sincerely moral issue, and reflects moral character.



You are now part of our country's entrenched ruling elite. There is no longer any chance of the party of opposition doing much of anything for at very least two years. I'd expect that as opposed to spouting any no longer neccesary party line (like you've accused others here of doing) you'd answer these questions honestly as they pertain to you and your beliefs.

I think there's a qualitative difference between you and Naldo. I don't know f either of you is really stupid. You, though, can communicate. You waited for the opponent to concede before glaoting, which shows you don't suffer from the premature ejaculation which so weakens Naldo. You're the man. Step up and defend. Kerry lost. You have no one to run against. It's time for you to run for.

Suppport this thug, explain his culture of liofe which includes the unborn yet approves the death penalty and shows no interest at all in the 'collateral damage' to a country that wasn't Afghanistan. Lets look together for freedom on the march and the halving of our defficit. I look forward to it.

[Bobo Adobo]

"You must eliminate envy of America in your culture and try to find your own identity and culture. By propmoting the positives of living in America's shadow, you may be able to capture some of its' financial drain off, and rebuild that military!

Stop coming here for jobs, and stop coming for vacation. All you do at that point is feed the pig. I don't know what to do with ALL of this money we have. "

:lol I think we found a new idiot.

[HNICPantitude]

Sure.

- The man isn't an idiot.

- Taking steps to make other countries not hate the nation I live in quite as much seems like a good thing to me.

- Even though Kerry clearly said he didn't support this line of thought, I am not of the opinion that the US is somehow more important than all other countries of the world put together. I think under Kerry, we would have had some checks and balances with the rest of the world.

- Our educational system is sad at best and under-funded, which is evidenced in no greater way than the fact that we just re-elected a man who at least thinks and talks like an idiot, and most of America can really relate to that.

- Rich people don't need an 89 billion tax cut as much as our country needed the money to help fund our inane war in iraq and thousands of programs at home.

- Our administration started an endless 'war,' which has already overextended our armies and completely missed its projected goal. It's making a mockery of the intelligence of every American to trust anything they're doing, but it isn't like that was really hard to do in the first place.

- The supreme court was already conservative without adding three more lapdogs to the mix. Bush will now not only get anything he wants, but with no re-election possible in the future, he has nothing to lose, and will irrepairably damage the country and the documents on which it was founded in the name of his crazed beliefs.

- Bush is trying to impose christian values onto everyone in the nation, with a ban on abortion and same-sex marriage outlawed in the constitution. Being a not-christian, this does not make me happy.

- Under Bush, we've had several civil liberties stripped through the passing of the Patriot act, and Patriot II is still in the making. The country is slowing beginning to turn into an Orwellian nightmare, wherein people gladly give up their freedom to feel safe. A former director of the CIA once said "Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither."

- And we'll get neither, since it's obvious security isn't the primary concern of this administration. Upon invading iraq, the only defended building was the oil ministry, and no-one even tried to check in at a well-known munitions dump to see if there was anything there. Aside from showing Bush's intentions in invading Iraq all-too-clearly to all-but-Americans, it also showed that he's apparently uninterested in the security of this nation.

Those are 10, but I feel like I'm playing tennis with a brick wall.

Stephen Hawking isn't an idiot either, but I certainly wouldn't put him in the White House tomorrow either.

Bush continues to build alliances with other nations. Bush had a very large alliance going into Iraq. Do you speak of governments, or should the U.S. President walk the streets of Belgium and see if he cant swing over a few stoners to the cause? As for Kerry, outside of sacrificing Israel, and allowing the UN to push the demands of the Palestinians, I really don't see yur point. What measures exactly di Kerry propose? Was he going to stay up late one night and make some phone calls or something? Take Chirac to a titty bar? What. He never once outlined a plan HOW he was going to rebuild alliances.

I am not of the opinion that we are more important either. I am, however, of the opinion that the safety of the citizens of this country is more important than anything else..... when it comes to the responsibilities of the President of the United States of America. Remember the original purpose of the Federal Government Chojin? Read the Constitution.

What the hell does our education system have to do with the federal government Chojin? Again, I refer you to the Constituion. I would also perhaps suggest that you read up on your state's issues and become active within your state to improve the education system IN your state.

Rich people didn't get an 89 billion dollar tax cut. Do you actually read anything, or do you just drool along with Dan Rather. Number one, the category, so appropriately being called "the rich people" included every entrepeneur and small business owner out there who was making more than $200,000, for their business. They would not have been able to stay in business should they have been bent over by liberal tax cuts brought down by the Kerry administration. As for actual people who make more than $200k personally, they would merely have changed the way they file for minimum taxes and paid less than they do under Bush. Look it up in our current FLAWED tax laws.

Overextended our army? Bill Clinton deployed more soldiers than George Bush. Endless War? Where do you see that. Iraq is moving along. Slower than expected, but progress is being made.

The Supreme Court is conservative. Clinton had eight years. Why is it wrong that Bush has eight years? Only fair.

Never once has Bush pushed for a ban on abortion. There is a tremendous difference between abortions performed during early-mid pregnancies, and sucking the brain out of an 8 month old fetus which would otherwise survive outside the womb. I don't agree with amending the Constitution on gay marriage either. It's a states issue and should stay that way. John Kerry was against gay marriage on the state's level also.

I'm so sick of hearing we're sacrificing freedoms. Where have you been opressed in this country Chojin? Flying is a priveledge not a right. So don't us airport security. What else? What has changed in your daily life? What has the federal government taken away from you? If your so terrified of a government controlled state, perhaps you are only a hop, skip and a jump away from being a right-wing gun toting militia leader. Again, I refer you to your constitutional right to bear arms, and why that right was granted.

The oil ministry was defended for the simple purpose of avoiding Sadam lighting them againm again. It was credible intelligence, and we acted on it. Every intention was made to move forward on Baghdad as rapidly as possible. The initial objective of the soldiers was not to act in an investigative manner, but to secure the country as rapidly as possible to avoid unnecessary loss of life. As for you "all-but-Americans" theory, Bush had an alliance of over 30 countries, but much like your failed candidate, I guess those dont count to you.

As for your answer, not one issue (save "Taking steps to make other countries not hate the nation I live in quite as much seems like a good thing to me," which was incomplete and didn't state a stance or a plan) you pointed out had anything to do with Kerry, which is exactly why Democrats lost this election. You have to find someone to vote for, not against. Your entire argument was based on hatred and anger. I can easily identify ten issues I am FOR. I voted FOR how I wanted the country to proceed. I could give a shit about what I didn't like about John Kerry.

[Anonymous]

I'll respond in reverse order to blow your mind.

You have to find someone to vote for, not against.
If Kerry was elected, with Republicans holding all the cards in the other branches, he wouldn't have been able to do anything. But, he would have been able to veto things and to stop the bleeding of America. So, it only makes sense that most of my arguments are about what Bush did wrong, considering those are the only things Kerry could have affected. I'm not saying Kerry ran a brilliant campaign, either - he didn't.

As for you "all-but-Americans" theory, Bush had an alliance of over 30 countries, but much like your failed candidate, I guess those dont count to you.
For as much as you like to accuse me of rhetoric, really, wake the fuck up. The only major country supporting us was England, otherwise our only support was sad. Here's some rhetoric for you - 90% of all military deaths in Iraq are American. So either our grand coalition is either REALLY GOOD at not dying, or it isn't REALLY GOOD at all.

The oil ministry was defended for the simple purpose of avoiding Sadam lighting them againm again.
Uh, ok. I still think it might have been a 'good idea' to 'weigh in' on '300 tons of fucking explosives.'

I'm so sick of hearing we're sacrificing freedoms. Where have you been opressed in this country Chojin?
Even your fellow sheeple acknowledge a steady reduction of freedoms, and rationalize it with national security. So far, I have not been oppressed, largely on account of me being a white male registered as 'unaffiliated.' Under Patriot, police can hold suspected terrorists without reason for an indefinite period of time. Warrants are no longer needed for suspected terrorists. In the event I decide to stick it out in this country and peacefully protest, I will most likely be jailed for large periods of time. But at least freedom will be on the march.

Never once has Bush pushed for a ban on abortion. There is a tremendous difference between abortions performed during early-mid pregnancies, and sucking the brain out of an 8 month old fetus which would otherwise survive outside the womb. I don't agree with amending the Constitution on gay marriage either. It's a states issue and should stay that way. John Kerry was against gay marriage on the state's level also.
And he won't push for a ban on abortion, either, on account of his strong sense of morality and recognition that people should be able to do what they want in a free country! Am I right, guys! I assume with the brain sucking tripe, you're referring to partial birth abortions, which are administered with a blow to the back of the neck, not a comical hospital brain-sucking apparatus. John Kerry was not against gay marriage on the state level, he was for leaving it up to the states. Which you'd know if you weren't too busy booing and throwing cheetos at the tv during his segments in the debates.

Clinton had eight years. Why is it wrong that Bush has eight years? Only fair.
Clinton wasn't pushing to ruin the country.

Endless War? Where do you see that.
Bush himself said that the war on terror couldn't be won. It's more of a philosophy and a policy than an actual 'war.' If you think Iraq will be the end of the war on terror, you're officially adorable.

Rich people didn't get an 89 billion dollar tax cut...They would not have been able to stay in business should they have been bent over by liberal tax cuts brought down by the Kerry administration. As for actual people who make more than $200k personally, they would merely have changed the way they file for minimum taxes and paid less than they do under Bush. Look it up in our current FLAWED tax laws.
Kerry only proposed rolling the tax cut back for those people, not taxing them further. Are you suggesting that small businesses didn't exist before Bush? As for the second part, nonsense.

What the hell does our education system have to do with the federal government Chojin?
What, now you didn't listen to Bush during the debates, either? No Child Left Behind being thrown out there every 10 minutes and all? Our country's education system is pathetic. So, I can either blame all 50 states for this, or blame the federal government, which is actually in a position to try and fix it.

[Kerry] never once outlined a plan HOW he was going to rebuild alliances.
Whereas Bush wouldn't even try. You're right, it's way better to have a plan.

Remember the original purpose of the Federal Government Chojin? Read the Constitution.
I might want to get on that, before it goes out of print.

[HNICPantitude]

Pantydude, you're the villian of the moment for precisely the reason you say is inconsequential in Bush. You can articulate your thoughts. I say that such a quality is neccesary for good leadership. I won't argue whether W is actually stupid or not. I don't know him.

I would say the same thing regarding Kerry. I would take a nervous public speaker who can articulate his plan any day of the week over a candidate who could not articulate one single point or any semblance of a plan.

I will argue that intellectual curiosity and communication skills are esential leadership qualitiesm and I will argue that W. Lacks both in spades.

Exit polls showed something missed by our sterling media up until now. The most important issue in the minds of voters was not Iraq, not the economy, it was morality.

Exit Polls have repeatedly been proven to be a farce. Yesterdays election polls were an embarassment for the media.

Will you argue any of these points.

A.) The President can imbue a nation with morality by some sort of moral osmosis.

I do not believe a president can imbue a nation with morality any more than I believe a movie can imbue a nation with morality. A president is merely a vessel to represent the country in its current stance on moral issues. Would you argue that moral issues had nothing to do with yesterday's victory? George Bush did not give me my values, nor does he influence them.

B.) This president is more moral then Kerry, or particularly moral at all.

I am of the firm belief that this president is much more moral than Kerry in his beliefs, but again, I didn't vote for George Bush for his moral stance on any issue. If you are heading down the road of religion, I will comment on that also. I am not a "born again" Christian. To be quite honest, I am not very religious at all. I have a religion, which I practice about once every other year, when my parents whine about it at Christmas, and manipulate me into participating. Outside of that, I believe religion represents a set of morals to live by, and nothing more.

C.) The most importnat reason to pick a candidate is their percieved morality.

I absolutely believe a candidates perceived moral value has a place, but, no, not the most important reason to pick a candidate whatsoever.

D.) Morality is important is of primary importance as a leadership quality.

Morality, I would hope, in a very general definition, should be important in any venture in life.

E.) A person's morality is reflected by accepting Jesus as your personal.
savior.

That's an assinine question, and I believe only posed to instigate an argumentative response.

F.) Making noise about a constitutional ammendment banning Gay Marriage is a sincerely moral issue, and reflects moral character.

I don't believe in gay marriage, and I have also repeatedly stated that I disagree with george Bush's stance on this position. I have never once changed my stance on that argument. I believe in a very limited Federal Constitution, and a very Liberitarian like interpretation of such. In my personal opinion, we should be very careful in setting precedent amending the Constitution every time we dont like something. To me, it is no different than my argument against removing the word ****** from the dictionary. Why would I argue that? I am not a proponent of using the word, but a precedent would have been set to remove words each time a group deemed that word offensive or unnacceptable in some way, highly akin to revisionist history.

You are now part of our country's entrenched ruling elite. There is no longer any chance of the party of opposition doing much of anything for at very least two years. I'd expect that as opposed to spouting any no longer neccesary party line (like you've accused others here of doing) you'd answer these questions honestly as they pertain to you and your beliefs.


I think there's a qualitative difference between you and Naldo. I don't know f either of you is really stupid. You, though, can communicate. You waited for the opponent to concede before glaoting, which shows you don't suffer from the premature ejaculation which so weakens Naldo. You're the man. Step up and defend. Kerry lost. You have no one to run against. It's time for you to run for.

Suppport this thug, explain his culture of liofe which includes the unborn yet approves the death penalty and shows no interest at all in the 'collateral damage' to a country that wasn't Afghanistan. Lets look together for freedom on the march and the halving of our defficit. I look forward to it.

[Ant10708]

What civil liberties have we had stripped away from us from the Patriot Act? I know that it has the potential to be used agaisnt us but I don't think Bush has done this so far. Only one Muslim American is being held under the Patriot Act. The rest are all foriegners. I just don't see the abuse and the stripping away of civil liberities everyone talks about.

[FS]

I hate to play dramaqueen, but if you're not going to see that your rights have been eroded until the moment they're rounding up people in the streets, it's going to be too late.

The very potential of the Patriot Act you speak of should be enough to concern you.

[kahljorn]

"in a wierd, twisted way I'm glad Bush won re-election. I know the general mood around here is gonna be "the country's going to hell", but look at it this way: the majority of the country is obviously blinded by a religious text that's been editted, revised and translated for thousands of years. It's going to take something really big and really terrible to wake people up from their little world. With Bush in office, it's only a matter of time."

That's a good point, that's kinda what i thought. Either that or there would be a revolution, and either seems quite nice!

[HNICPantitude]

I'll respond in reverse order to blow your mind.

I'll respond in a logical fashion to confuse you further.

You have to find someone to vote for, not against.
If Kerry was elected, with Republicans holding all the cards in the other branches, he wouldn't have been able to do anything. But, he would have been able to veto things and to stop the bleeding of America. So, it only makes sense that most of my arguments are about what Bush did wrong, considering those are the only things Kerry could have affected. I'm not saying Kerry ran a brilliant campaign, either - he didn't.

So you voted for Kerry so he could veto?

As for you "all-but-Americans" theory, Bush had an alliance of over 30 countries, but much like your failed candidate, I guess those dont count to you.
For as much as you like to accuse me of rhetoric, really, wake the fuck up. The only major country supporting us was England, otherwise our only support was sad. Here's some rhetoric for you - 90% of all military deaths in Iraq are American. So either our grand coalition is either REALLY GOOD at not dying, or it isn't REALLY GOOD at all.

Here's a trivia fact for you to take with you. Military assistance isn't the only support you can offer. The United States has more than enough military force to handle a country like Iraq on our own. As for support, it comes in many forms. Merely saying you are in favor immediately helps. Money further helps. Post war rebuilding helps. There are many aspects involved. Far too many to get into here, but you know that, so it's a fruitless argument. You can go on criticizing countries like Spain, Poland, Bulgaria, Japan, Australia, etc. and then tell me in your next post how we are not more important than other countries.... only to begin your next post by labeling England as the "only other important country." Do you have a link to your official country ranking system?

The oil ministry was defended for the simple purpose of avoiding Sadam lighting them againm again.
Uh, ok. I still think it might have been a 'good idea' to 'weigh in' on '300 tons of fucking explosives.'

Again.... not their objective in the start of the war. Beyond that, you may want to wait for the facts to be found, before you start throwing them around.

I'm so sick of hearing we're sacrificing freedoms. Where have you been opressed in this country Chojin?
Even your fellow sheeple acknowledge a steady reduction of freedoms, and rationalize it with national security. So far, I have not been oppressed, largely on account of me being a white male registered as 'unaffiliated.' Under Patriot, police can hold suspected terrorists without reason for an indefinite period of time. Warrants are no longer needed for suspected terrorists. In the event I decide to stick it out in this country and peacefully protest, I will most likely be jailed for large periods of time. But at least freedom will be on the march.

Ok, Riversong. The communes are out west.

Never once has Bush pushed for a ban on abortion. There is a tremendous difference between abortions performed during early-mid pregnancies, and sucking the brain out of an 8 month old fetus which would otherwise survive outside the womb. I don't agree with amending the Constitution on gay marriage either. It's a states issue and should stay that way. John Kerry was against gay marriage on the state's level also.
And he won't push for a ban on abortion, either, on account of his strong sense of morality and recognition that people should be able to do what they want in a free country! Am I right, guys! I assume with the brain sucking tripe, you're referring to partial birth abortions, which are administered with a blow to the back of the neck, not a comical hospital brain-sucking apparatus. John Kerry was not against gay marriage on the state level, he was for leaving it up to the states. Which you'd know if you weren't too busy booing and throwing cheetos at the tv during his segments in the debates.

John Kerry said he was against gay marriage, for civil unions. Check your facts. And again, you're preaching to the choir. I've stated my stance on this umpteen times.

Clinton had eight years. Why is it wrong that Bush has eight years? Only fair.
Clinton wasn't pushing to ruin the country.

Really. North Korea, China, nuclear targeting systems, turning down Bin Laden three times, and on and on and on. Conjecture has no place in a factual argument unless pefaced with an "In my opinion"

Endless War? Where do you see that.
Bush himself said that the war on terror couldn't be won. It's more of a philosophy and a policy than an actual 'war.' If you think Iraq will be the end of the war on terror, you're officially adorable.

Who said Iraq would be the end, or should be the end. I'll need to go back over my comments. The end will come when the world takes a united stance against terrorist acts. And they will rise again. So, in that sense, I will concede an endless war, but a very necessary war.

Rich people didn't get an 89 billion dollar tax cut...They would not have been able to stay in business should they have been bent over by liberal tax cuts brought down by the Kerry administration. As for actual people who make more than $200k personally, they would merely have changed the way they file for minimum taxes and paid less than they do under Bush. Look it up in our current FLAWED tax laws.
Kerry only proposed rolling the tax cut back for those people, not taxing them further. Are you suggesting that small businesses didn't exist before Bush? As for the second part, nonsense.

Nonsense? I think not. Of course he proposed rolling it back... at first. Do the math Chojin. Total his benefits plans. He needed to raise taxes.

What the hell does our education system have to do with the federal government Chojin?
What, now you didn't listen to Bush during the debates, either? No Child Left Behind being thrown out there every 10 minutes and all? Our country's education system is pathetic. So, I can either blame all 50 states for this, or blame the federal government, which is actually in a position to try and fix it.

Bush's plan involves raising federal funding to states should they comply with accountability standards. States hold ultimate authority.

[Kerry] never once outlined a plan HOW he was going to rebuild alliances.
Whereas Bush wouldn't even try. You're right, it's way better to have a plan.

How and where has Bush not tried. Name the country.

Remember the original purpose of the Federal Government Chojin? Read the Constitution.
I might want to get on that, before it goes out of print.

Good idea. You have at least 51 more months.

[AChimp]

What civil liberties have we had stripped away from us from the Patriot Act? I know that it has the potential to be used agaisnt us but I don't think Bush has done this so far. Only one Muslim American is being held under the Patriot Act. The rest are all foriegners. I just don't see the abuse and the stripping away of civil liberities everyone talks about.
Riiight... so because they're not Americans, they're not entitled to the same rights as Americans.

Why didn't I think of that. :rolleyes

[HNICPantitude]

I have no idea what happened with the quote tags there - so good luck reading it

[LNSICPantitude]

John Kerry was not against gay marriage on the state level, he was for leaving it up to the states. Which you'd know if you weren't too busy booing and throwing cheetos at the tv during his segments in the debates.

Chojin - know your candidate. John Kerry was AGAINST gay marriage, at BOTH the federal and state level. He ONLY supported civil union and ONLY on a state by state basis.

[Emu]

Are you guys related or something?

[HNICPantitude]

Married - I'm the husband - she's the wife

[Anonymous]

[quote=Chojin]I'll respond in reverse order to blow your mind.

I'll respond in a logical fashion to confuse you further.
Good one!

So you voted for Kerry so he could veto?
Yes.

Here's a trivia fact for you to take with you. Military assistance isn't the only support you can offer. The United States has more than enough military force to handle a country like Iraq on our own. As for support, it comes in many forms. Merely saying you are in favor immediately helps. Money further helps. Post war rebuilding helps. There are many aspects involved. Far too many to get into here, but you know that, so it's a fruitless argument.
And they've really helped. Really. A lot. Help. It's on the way.

You can go on criticizing countries like Spain, Poland, Bulgaria, Japan, Australia, etc. and then tell me in your next post how we are not more important than other countries.... only to begin your next post by labeling England as the "only other important country." Do you have a link to your official country ranking system?
I meant their importance to the war effort. Most of these countries are barely helping at all, or are barely able to. No large world military powers are in this except for us and England.

[quote]Uh, ok. I still think it might have been a 'good idea' to 'weigh in' on '300 tons of fucking explosives.'
Again.... not their objective in the start of the war. Beyond that, you may want to wait for the facts to be found, before you start throwing them around.
WHAT? We went into Iraq to look for WMDs, and you don't think securing weapons was our objective in the start of the war? Is your frontal lobe caked in Dial soap?

John Kerry said he was against gay marriage, for civil unions. Check your facts. And again, you're preaching to the choir. I've stated my stance on this umpteen times.
Chojin - know your candidate. John Kerry was AGAINST gay marriage, at BOTH the federal and state level. He ONLY supported civil union and ONLY on a state by state basis.
John Kerry said he was against gay marriage, but opposed a constitutional amedment for it because he recognizes that not everyone shares his faith. He went on to state he'd leave it up to the states. 'Check your facts.'

Really. North Korea, China, nuclear targeting systems, turning down Bin Laden three times, and on and on and on. Conjecture has no place in a factual argument unless pefaced with an "In my opinion"
You'll notice no buidings had planes run into them while Clinton was in office, either, and that no Patriot acts were passed. "In my opinion" you are in denial.

Who said Iraq would be the end, or should be the end. I'll need to go back over my comments. The end will come when the world takes a united stance against terrorist acts. And they will rise again. So, in that sense, I will concede an endless war, but a very necessary war.
And I'll point you back to my original statement, because this war will have about as much resounding success as the war on drugs.

Nonsense? I think not. Of course he proposed rolling it back... at first. Do the math Chojin. Total his benefits plans. He needed to raise taxes.
How about you do the math for me, since we're both apparently way smarter than anyone in office and know for sure what will happen. Then let's secede from the union and create a new nation called 'Pantijin' wherein we, the smartest people in the world, govern a body of 4 cats.

Bush's plan involves raising federal funding to states should they comply with accountability standards. States hold ultimate authority.
And Bush's plan sucks. He's in a position to help education, and refuses to.

How and where has Bush not tried. Name the country.
Every one in the UN?

I'm going to go buy food and plan to flee the country like a rat from a sinking ship. So forgive me if I'm not here to rebutt you within 10 minutes.

[Ant10708]

What civil liberties have we had stripped away from us from the Patriot Act? I know that it has the potential to be used agaisnt us but I don't think Bush has done this so far. Only one Muslim American is being held under the Patriot Act. The rest are all foriegners. I just don't see the abuse and the stripping away of civil liberities everyone talks about.
Riiight... so because they're not Americans, they're not entitled to the same rights as Americans.

Why didn't I think of that. :rolleyes I'm pretty sure foriegners especially the ones here illegally do not have the same civil liberities guarunteed to them by my government as a citizen of that government. Anyways Chojin is a citizen so I'm merely poiting out 'we' as in citizens so far havn't had our civil liberties stripped away or atleast from what I can tell.

Different people are entitled different rights. In America if your under the age of 18 you are not guarunteed the right to vote. Foriegners are also not guarunteed this right. Isn't voting a civil liberty?

[HNICPantitude]

[quote=Chojin]I'll respond in reverse order to blow your mind.

I'll respond in a logical fashion to confuse you further.
Good one!

Sarcasm in response to sarcasm. See how that only further divides?

So you voted for Kerry so he could veto?
Yes.

Vote or Die! Young People Unite

Here's a trivia fact for you to take with you. Military assistance isn't the only support you can offer. The United States has more than enough military force to handle a country like Iraq on our own. As for support, it comes in many forms. Merely saying you are in favor immediately helps. Money further helps. Post war rebuilding helps. There are many aspects involved. Far too many to get into here, but you know that, so it's a fruitless argument.
And they've really helped. Really. A lot. Help. It's on the way.

They've helped all they could

You can go on criticizing countries like Spain, Poland, Bulgaria, Japan, Australia, etc. and then tell me in your next post how we are not more important than other countries.... only to begin your next post by labeling England as the "only other important country." Do you have a link to your official country ranking system?
I meant their importance to the war effort. Most of these countries are barely helping at all, or are barely able to. No large world military powers are in this except for us and England.

Again, support comes in many forms.

[quote]Uh, ok. I still think it might have been a 'good idea' to 'weigh in' on '300 tons of fucking explosives.'
Again.... not their objective in the start of the war. Beyond that, you may want to wait for the facts to be found, before you start throwing them around.
WHAT? We went into Iraq to look for WMDs, and you don't think securing weapons was our objective in the start of the war? Is your frontal lobe caked in Dial soap?

Don't half quote me and leave out the substance. That's a tactic that will make sure you lose the next election too. The initial objective was to take control prior to the use of WMD in an effort to avoid life loss.

John Kerry said he was against gay marriage, for civil unions. Check your facts. And again, you're preaching to the choir. I've stated my stance on this umpteen times.
Chojin - know your candidate. John Kerry was AGAINST gay marriage, at BOTH the federal and state level. He ONLY supported civil union and ONLY on a state by state basis.
John Kerry said he was against gay marriage, but opposed a constitutional amedment for it because he recognizes that not everyone shares his faith. He went on to state he'd leave it up to the states. 'Check your facts.'

WHO ARE YOU ARGUING HERE??? WE KNOW WHAT HE SAID AND I HAVE REPEATEDLY SAID I AGREE

Really. North Korea, China, nuclear targeting systems, turning down Bin Laden three times, and on and on and on. Conjecture has no place in a factual argument unless pefaced with an "In my opinion"
You'll notice no buidings had planes run into them while Clinton was in office, either, and that no Patriot acts were passed. "In my opinion" you are in denial.

No, but the same terrorist organization drove an explosive filled van into the parking lot below. I guess you rank terrorist acts on completion percentage.

Who said Iraq would be the end, or should be the end. I'll need to go back over my comments. The end will come when the world takes a united stance against terrorist acts. And they will rise again. So, in that sense, I will concede an endless war, but a very necessary war.
And I'll point you back to my original statement, because this war will have about as much resounding success as the war on drugs.

Might as well just not fight it then, and go hide in a corner.

Nonsense? I think not. Of course he proposed rolling it back... at first. Do the math Chojin. Total his benefits plans. He needed to raise taxes.
How about you do the math for me, since we're both apparently way smarter than anyone in office and know for sure what will happen. Then let's secede from the union and create a new nation called 'Pantijin' wherein we, the smartest people in the world, govern a body of 4 cats.

So you believe this money could be procured without taxation?

Bush's plan involves raising federal funding to states should they comply with accountability standards. States hold ultimate authority.
And Bush's plan sucks. He's in a position to help education, and refuses to.

His plan is to help education. Where does it suck, and how is he refusing? Oh, by the way, what was John Kerry's plan again? I seemed to have missed that while I was throwing Cheeto's at the screen.

How and where has Bush not tried. Name the country.
Every one in the UN?

Germany, France and Russia are the only members nowadays, huh?

I'm going to go buy food and plan to flee the country like a rat from a sinking ship. So forgive me if I'm not here to rebutt you within 10 minutes.

Bye

[Emu]

That was a rather lacklustre reply...

[Bobo Adobo]

"Might as well just not fight it then, and go hide in a corner. "


Dosen't sound like a bad idea. Terroism has been around for thousands of years. You can't just "win" a war on terrorism. Its a tactic.

[HNICPantitude]

Im out -headed home for the evening to attend a Rich Whit Republican Tax Cut Party. After tha, we'll be praying to Jesus, kicking some kids and dogs, and blowing some generic shit up around the neighborhood before the midnight lynching. See you tomorrow.

[Emu]

later :)

[LNSICPantitude]

Im out -headed home for the evening to attend a Rich Whit Republican Tax Cut Party. After tha, we'll be praying to Jesus, kicking some kids and dogs, and blowing some generic shit up around the neighborhood before the midnight lynching. See you tomorrow.

fuck. i thought we were just going to mow the lawn and then have chili for dinner. your plan kicks way more ass than mine.

g'nite kids.

[FS]

Take it easy on the darkies

[Ant10708]

"Might as well just not fight it then, and go hide in a corner. "


Dosen't sound like a bad idea. Terroism has been around for thousands of years. You can't just "win" a war on terrorism. Its a tactic.

This is true. We are or were suppose to be more at war with Islamic fundamentalists who hate Westerns and like to kill us. We can't say we are fighting or at war with anything Islam related because that would piss people off even more. And terrorists sounds scary so the media and politicans like using that. Just like communists did in the Cold war. The enemy needs to have a name or then the masses won't be unified to oppose it. Just like we have communism after the "defeat of communism" we will always still have terrorism in some form because its just a tactic as you said :(

[ArrowX]

Canada

You must leave room in your budget for a military. I know it has to be embarrassing to be the only civilized nation in history whose military went bankrupt.

Socialized healthcare WILL NOT WORK. Don't believe that? Look at Norway, England, and nearly every other country in Europe. You must privatize your healthcare, and spend money on research and development. Go compare statistics on the average wait tim for a standard procedure... say a hip replacement. Good luck.

You must eliminate envy of America in your culture and try to find your own identity and culture. By propmoting the positives of living in America's shadow, you may be able to capture some of its' financial drain off, and rebuild that military!

Stop coming here for jobs, and stop coming for vacation. All you do at that point is feed the pig. I don't know what to do with ALL of this money we have.



Excuse me Antitude what in the jittery fuck would you know about canada.

Frist off Because of hillbilly fuckpants like you bush supporters, Canada now NEEDS an army to defend against the angry countries that YOUR COUNTRY pissed off JUST because we occupy the largest part of the continentand Our military is not bankrupt or is that the reason that we have better trained soldiers that know not to blow up their "Allies"

Socialized helcare CAN work because we don't spend all our money on Gunds and 200 000 000 dollar bombs that blow up the wrong target.

The only reason The united states has the biggest say in anything is because of your ever present threat of nuclear weapons. If one country doesn't like you you tend to turn the other way and yell really loud untill it gives up.

People like YOU Pantitude are the reason Pissed of groupse like AlQueda are after your country. In fact at this point I'm so pissed off as to say I agree with them to the point of saying most of you REDNECK SHEEPFUCKING OIL GUZZLING MONEY IMBEZZLING LAW BENDING FAT CAKE EATinG SHITRANCHERS SHOULD JUST WITHER THE HELL AWAY AND DIE!

[AChimp]

ArrowX is right. Our army has never gone bankrupt; it's shrunk, but that's because we don't have any need for it right now.

Who are we going to fight? Who is going to fight us? Seriously. :lol

And if, in the remote possibility that we got attacked, we would rearm overnight like we did for WWII.

[conus]

"in a wierd, twisted way I'm glad Bush won re-election. I know the general mood around here is gonna be "the country's going to hell", but look at it this way: the majority of the country is obviously blinded by a religious text that's been editted, revised and translated for thousands of years. It's going to take something really big and really terrible to wake people up from their little world. With Bush in office, it's only a matter of time."


Agreed. It will be pretty bad, though. Something big and terrible is definitely coming. What nobody understands (or at least the morons who elected Bush) is that many of the rank and file terrorists--not the leaders, but the ones who do the fighting and dieing-- are motivated, not by politics or religion, but out of a simple need for revenge. Their friends or family members lost their lives as a result of American foreign policy, and one way or another they're going to get even. It was the same way in the Philippines. The NPA leadership was Marxist, but the fighters were farmers and fishermen who weren't the least bit interested in Karl Marx. They wanted to get even.

When you kill people there will be consequences. America has been killing people directly and indirectly throughout the Middle East for decades. The Shaw of Iran's U.S. supported Savak tortured and killed tens of thousands. Over the last fourteen years America has been responsible for the deaths of over a hundred thousand Iraqi civilians, nearly half of them children.

Something terrible is definitely coming.

[FartinMowler]

Something terrible is definitely coming.

The next Brittany spears? :(

[Ant10708]

"in a wierd, twisted way I'm glad Bush won re-election. I know the general mood around here is gonna be "the country's going to hell", but look at it this way: the majority of the country is obviously blinded by a religious text that's been editted, revised and translated for thousands of years. It's going to take something really big and really terrible to wake people up from their little world. With Bush in office, it's only a matter of time."


Agreed. It will be pretty bad, though. Something big and terrible is definitely coming. What nobody understands (or at least the morons who elected Bush) is that many of the rank and file terrorists--not the leaders, but the ones who do the fighting and dieing-- are motivated, not by politics or religion, but out of a simple need for revenge. Their friends or family members lost their lives as a result of American foreign policy, and one way or another they're going to get even. It was the same way in the Philippines. The NPA leadership was Marxist, but the fighters were farmers and fishermen who weren't the least bit interested in Karl Marx. They wanted to get even.

When you kill people there will be consequences. America has been killing people directly and indirectly throughout the Middle East for decades. The Shaw of Iran's U.S. supported Savak tortured and killed tens of thousands. Over the last fourteen years America has been responsible for the deaths of over a hundred thousand Iraqi civilians, nearly half of them children.

Something terrible is definitely coming. According to your post then it shouldn't matter to the terrorists who is our president.

[AChimp]

According to your post then it shouldn't matter to the terrorists who is our president.
EXACTLY.

True terrorists just want revenge for something or other. They will do what they do regardless. That's why the whole "keep America safe" issue was completely moot. Why can the rest of the world see that, but not Americans? Other countries have suffered far, far worse attacks than 9/11.

The terrorists have already "won" because you have rewarded the people who keep telling you that "the terrorists are out there and they're coming to kill your children OMG!"

It just sucks that it's taken you 24 hours after the election to figure that out.

[Ant10708]

My state went to Kerry anyways by a large margin but I didn't vote for Bush because I'm scared of the evil terrorists and I want Bush to keep me safe. Kerry didn't show me he had any real plan and like we've agreed its not like a Kerry president will stop attacks so why vote for him, to keep our old Allies happy and appease all the concerned Europeans and Candians?

I think he fucked up alot in Iraq but I want a president to be somewhat aggressive against al queda and Kerry didn't show me he would be and had any real plan besides getting more support from our old allies. And looking at his past he is very anti-war. He voted agaisnt the first Gulf War which I think even Canada approved of and I do think the first Gulf War was justified just shouldn't of betrayed all the people we told to rebel afterwards thou. :/

[conus]

And looking at his past he is very anti-war. He voted agaisnt the first Gulf War which I think even Canada approved of and I do think the first Gulf War was justified

That's what I mean. The incidents leading to the first war were none of America's business. Keep sticking your nose into other people's business and eventually you'll get hurt.

Why were you in favor of the first war, btw? Was it because you were so concerned about the fate of the freedom loving Kuaitis? Or did you just have a burning desire to see the Iraqi people liberated from America's long-time ally Sadam?

[Zhukov]

Sounds great in theory, but then again, so dis Karl Marx' theories.

Arrrrr! You actually said it! :lol

[LNSICPantitude]

People like YOU Pantitude are the reason Pissed of groupse like AlQueda are after your country. In fact at this point I'm so pissed off as to say I agree with them to the point of saying most of you REDNECK SHEEPFUCKING OIL GUZZLING MONEY IMBEZZLING LAW BENDING FAT CAKE EATinG SHITRANCHERS SHOULD JUST WITHER THE HELL AWAY AND DIE!

a) was it the font in our posts that gave you the idea that we were rednecks? do you know even whether or not we are white? do you know that we live on a farm, or could we be in an extremely populated metro area? could it actually be that a broud range of americans from entrepenuers and c.e.o.'s, to farmers and ranch hands support bush for their own reasons? look at the popular vote. the vast majority of individuals living in urban areas swing to the left. are you trying to tell me that the 56+ million americans that voted for bush must live on farms and fuck sheep?

b) what exactly gives you the idea that terror threats do not exist in your country?

and....

c) i've seen enough of your posts on these boards to know that not one single person here values your opinion or thinks that you add any smidge of intelligable conversation. i'm sure they will be pleased to learn you speak for them and represent their same ideals.

it's people like you that cause liberals to rethink their stance for fear of association. on behalf conservatives everwhere, i thank you.

[Dole]

Incidentally I would have been majorly surprised tif I had discovered the pantitudes WEREN'T rabidly Republican.

[AChimp]

what exactly gives you the idea that terror threats do not exist in your country?
The fact that this is Canada and we never piss anyone off.

[LNSICPantitude]

Incidentally I would have been majorly surprised tif I had discovered the pantitudes WEREN'T rabidly Republican.

neither of us are registered republicans. we have no party affiliation. the majority of my core social beliefs fall closer to the left of middle, hence my prior assiciation with the democratic party, but certain issues sway my vote to the right. HNIC is more libertarian in his views but i would be baffled by him the day he ever voted for a democrat.

[LNSICPantitude]

The fact that this is Canada and we never piss anyone off.

you've pissed me off numerous times. jihad on, bitch.

[ziggytrix]

At the risk of sounding like I'm defending ArrowX, he was talking about Americans in general when he called us redneck sheepfuckers, not the ICPanti couple.

And while you may not be a redneck, Ms. Panti, your husband certainly made me think he was in his donut thread.

[mburbank]

"That's an assinine question, and I believe only posed to instigate an argumentative response. "

Huh. See, I thought I was only articulating Karl Roves strategy for winning the election, one that worked, I might add. Just because you personally don't share that value, I think you are very foolish to assume that it isn't of major importance in a Bush presidency.

The Rove strategy worked. The power of evangelicals will be greater in the Republican future, their desire to control the morality of others will be taken more seriously. You underestimate the danger. These are people of rising power who think Jesus is coming back in their lifetime, and that the rapture begins with all out war on the middle east. I'm fine with you going to church once a year, though I'm an every sunday guy myself, which I guess means I'm more moral than you. But if you think that was an asinine question I think you have the same level of intelectual curiosity our president does. Mix foreignb policy and religion at your peril. People who think God speaks directly to them should not run large countries.

[LNSICPantitude]

And while you may not be a redneck, Ms. Panti, your husband certainly made me think he was in his donut thread.

so, someone who thinks that a person who has moved to another country to find a better life should learn the native tongue is a redneck?

i'll be sure to submit that to jeff whatshisname so he can pass along the "you might be redneck if you think foreigners who live in the united states should learn to speak english" joke.

[HNICPantitude]

"That's an assinine question, and I believe only posed to instigate an argumentative response. "

Huh. See, I thought I was only articulating Karl Roves strategy for winning the election, one that worked, I might add. Just because you personally don't share that value, I think you are very foolish to assume that it isn't of major importance in a Bush presidency.

The Rove strategy worked. The power of evangelicals will be greater in the Republican future, their desire to control the morality of others will be taken more seriously. You underestimate the danger. These are people of rising power who think Jesus is coming back in their lifetime, and that the rapture begins with all out war on the middle east. I'm fine with you going to church once a year, though I'm an every sunday guy myself, which I guess means I'm more moral than you. But if you think that was an asinine question I think you have the same level of intelectual curiosity our president does. Mix foreignb policy and religion at your peril. People who think God speaks directly to them should not run large countries.


And your party gives ice cream to retards, sticks them on a school bus and drives them to the polls. They also encourage kids, ex-cons, and degenerates around the country to rally for their cause in return for future handouts. In some cases, the NAACP trades crack for votes.

[HNICPantitude]

And while I'm at it? Who the fuck says I voted for Bush because of the War on Terror. It is the only reason democrats can come up with that people vote republican. I voted for old man bush, bob dole, W in 2000 and again. Because of their stance on terror. Nope! Because I refuse to believe that my taxes should be raised to pay for fucking failures around this country who dont go to work, or cant afford health care, or want free handouts, or have more kids to increse their welfare income. FUCK THEM - let them starve. They'll learn eventually, and maybe even go out and get a job.

[Helm]

People who think God speaks directly to them should not run large countries.

Or small. I was actually very surprised to find out that there was an actual Bush quote warranting this 'I talk to god' thing. I thought it was just an insult, based on his cultish religious beliefs, but he actually said something of the sort? Saw god in my dream and he told me to smite the heathens or somesort. *Sigh*

[glowbelly]

And while I'm at it? Who the fuck says I voted for Bush because of the War on Terror. It is the only reason democrats can come up with that people vote republican. I voted for old man bush, bob dole, W in 2000 and again. Because of their stance on terror. Nope! Because I refuse to believe that my taxes should be raised to pay for fucking failures around this country who dont go to work, or cant afford health care, or want free handouts, or have more kids to increse their welfare income. FUCK THEM - let them starve. They'll learn eventually, and maybe even go out and get a job.

how compassionate yet conservative of you

[ziggytrix]

so, someone who thinks that a person who has moved to another country to find a better life should learn the native tongue is a redneck?


Maybe I'm recalling incorrectly, but didn't she speak English, albeit poorly?

But actually, yeah, that whole "learn the language you lazy immigrant" attitude is VERY redneck. You don't fucking know what that person is doing, but you make your assumptions and smugly look down on them anyway.

I refuse to believe that my taxes should be raised to pay for fucking failures around this country who dont go to work, or cant afford health care, or want free handouts, or have more kids to increse their welfare income.

What about the ones that work two jobs and still can't afford proper healthcare? Fuck them, let them suffer? FUCK YOU.

[LNSICPantitude]

for 3 years my husband (boyfriend then) was self-employed. we were dirt ass broke. i had company covered healthcare in the form of a shoddy hmo - but i had something. he had no healthcare. at no time did i feel that i should be paying more to my government to cover his healthcare and the healthcare of 20 other people. i work hard for the little amount of money i receive... just like you. which is to say, i don't think any of you should have had to pay for it either.

private insurance is available in different levels and at different costs based on income, health factors, etc. that's the beauty. you want it? go fucking get it... don't come to me.

he busted his ass and worked obsense hours, but no healthcare. he didn't cry about it. he broke his foot.... he still didnt' cry. he now has healthcare through my family plan at work, but at no time did he go on public assistance to cover a visit to the doctor.

do i think our govt should provide some type of assistance for the sick and needy? youre damn right i do. do i think i should relinquish ANOTHER 28% to pay for it. FUCK NO.

[Miss Modular]

When it comes to taxes, there's a lot of shit I don't want to pay for, but I pay for it. Deal. That's how democracy works.

[LNSICPantitude]

When it comes to taxes, there's a lot of shit I don't want to pay for, but I pay for it. Deal. That's how democracy works.

that is one of the most ignorant statements i have heard ANYONE on these boards say.

the last i checked democracy does not work like that. you do not have to "DEAL". that's why you have a vote dipshit.

[FS]

wow, you're right! All you have to do to not pay taxes for the things you don't want to pay for, is vote!

Democracy means putting up with what other people want, too.

[HNICPantitude]

And 7 million more people wanted George Bush than in 2000. So - I'll take anothe tax cut please. Thanks. How are those air strikes in Fallujah going today?

[mburbank]

" And your party gives ice cream to retards, sticks them on a school bus and drives them to the polls. They also encourage kids, ex-cons, and degenerates around the country to rally for their cause in return for future handouts. In some cases, the NAACP trades crack for votes."

I don't suppose you'd care to offer a reliable source on any one of those statements?

It also doesn't adress in any way shape or form, even tiny little bit, your claim that accepting Jesus was a prime piece of republican strategy and offered as evidence of their superior Morality.

Here's a Republican eminence and close pal of Karl Rove holding forth on the same subject

"Make no mistake - conservative Christians and 'values voters' won this election for George W. Bush and Republicans in Congress," Mr. Viguerie wrote in a memorandum sent to other prominent conservatives. "It's crucial that the Republican leadership not forget this - as much as some will try," he said, underlining the final clause."

I guess Richrd Vigguerie, Roves mentor in all things direct mail, is just being 'asinine'.

[HNICPantitude]

http://www.lufkindailynews.com/news/newsfd/auto/feed/news/2004/11/02/1099450522.18121.2121.7536.html;COXnetJSessionID=B KEeI2LzChOCNXl91EiORx3EeK2eXbID0rf6KyqJbXQBtBeLZOG Y!552898826?urac=n&urvf=10995968941020.6296970051194651

"Unnamed family members have alleged school officials coerced residents to vote for Democratic candidates by using ice cream as bribes and threatening they would be sent to war unless they voted for John Kerry"

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20041019-103123-7206r.htm

"The Ohio Attorney General's Office has joined the investigation of a man charged with filing more than 100 fictitious voter registration forms who was paid in crack by a woman affiliated with the NAACP National Voter Fund. "

Thaddeus J. Jackson is a DNC Delegate

http://ktla.trb.com/news/local/la-me-convote24oct24,0,7455023.story?coll=ktla-news-1
"In Washington, Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) introduced legislation last year to permit ex-convicts to vote in federal elections, even if barred from state elections."

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/local/states/south_carolina/counties/york/9846377.htm?1c

"A national education and media campaign -- led by the Washington-based Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law -- contacted Lewis to inform him of a drive to register ex-offenders to vote. The campaign targeted three states: South Carolina, Louisiana and Illinois.

It used printed materials, radio commercials, local voter focus groups and a toll-free telephone hot line to inform ex-offenders what steps they needed to take to be able to vote.

The group says it targeted those three states for three reasons:

• They have large black populations.

• Unlike a dozen other states, ex-offenders' voting rights automatically are restored when they complete their time served, including probation and parole.

• No other major efforts were under way in the states to alert ex-offenders that they can vote.

"Out of all three states, we found two to three (ex-offenders) who knew they were able to vote," said Cara Fineman, a staff attorney for the Lawyers' Committee. "Most thought they could never vote again."


You want more? The list is THOUSANDS long - Dregs of the earth unite.

Also - lets not forget Michael Moore giving away food and underwear to children to vote - http://breakingnews.iol.ie/entertainment/story.asp?j=43270440&p=43z7x695&n=43270730

[HNICPantitude]

I'll take their votes. Why not? It's a good strategy.

Their vote is a lot more valuable than crack addicts, ex-cons, and 18 year olds.

They dont get to write statute when they vote for Republicans. They just get to keep their taxes lowered.

[mburbank]

"Unnamed family members have alleged school officials coerced residents to vote for Democratic candidates by using ice cream as bribes and threatening they would be sent to war unless they voted for John Kerry"

Unamed, alleged? That's source to you? Did they in any way check out if these unamed folks allegations had any basis at all in fact?

I can give you a better source.

I (Max Burbank) see, now, that's my name, am alleging that W. coerced votes by having retarded children kidnapped and threatening to odomize them unless their families voted Republican.

Is THAT who you want for president? A kidnapper who ould sodomize retarded children? It's just an allegation, but at least you know who it's coming from.

C'mon, Pantydude. You freely criticize people for regurgitating pap. Don't tell me my impression that your are not a moron is incorrect. Either tat or be a mouthbreather, but shut up when other people breathe through their mouths.

Unamed family members alleged. Jesus. Ho do you expect me to even read further? My cousins doctors friend once told me you had a chickens head where a human man has a penis, but you don't me taking an allegation like that seriously.

[sspadowsky]

for 3 years my husband (boyfriend then) was self-employed. we were dirt ass broke. i had company covered healthcare in the form of a shoddy hmo - but i had something. he had no healthcare. at no time did i feel that i should be paying more to my government to cover his healthcare and the healthcare of 20 other people. i work hard for the little amount of money i receive... just like you. which is to say, i don't think any of you should have had to pay for it either.

private insurance is available in different levels and at different costs based on income, health factors, etc. that's the beauty. you want it? go fucking get it... don't come to me.

he busted his ass and worked obsense hours, but no healthcare. he didn't cry about it. he broke his foot.... he still didnt' cry. he now has healthcare through my family plan at work, but at no time did he go on public assistance to cover a visit to the doctor.

do i think our govt should provide some type of assistance for the sick and needy? youre damn right i do. do i think i should relinquish ANOTHER 28% to pay for it. FUCK NO.

But you have no problem picking up a $200 billion tab (and counting) on a bullshit war that has no end even planned, let alone in sight? By the way, some of those tax dollars you so dearly cherish go to veterans assistance programs, but Bush is trying to fuck them out of that, too. I'm more than happy to pay my share of taxes, and I'd sure as hell rather the money go to poor people, lazy or not, than getting our troops sent to a meat grinder.

[HNICPantitude]

oh, I'm sorry. I thought conjecture, lies, and name calling were open game on these boards. After all, thats all I receive when I present reasonable arguments.

[ziggytrix]

don't forget ignoring points for which you have no valid rebuttal!

[mburbank]

You want to play holier than thou, you need to can the bullshit. I think you actually find the ice cream retard story appealing and credible. I think you swallow candied crap like that like a big dumb ass fish eating a worm with a hook in it.

Sure, now it's been called to your attention you can say "Oh, I'm sorry, I thought it was all Ad Hoc here, as if Ad Hoc had any fucking meaning at all. You can't look down on people from the storm drain. And before you go all Naldo on me, you'll notice I never take this tone with Blanco or Eye Tie. I have nothing against Republicans. I have a lot against hot air spite driven wind bag shit spittlers who suck up talking points like flounders eat snail shit and then have the candy assed gall to accuse anyone of doing the same.

You want to be Naldo and Vinth? Be my guest. But I think you should feel more than a little bit ill to find yourself in that company. There's plenty of smart folk here, we're a dime a dozen. Pull yoursef together and try and find your better self.

[Perndog]

When it comes to taxes, there's a lot of shit I don't want to pay for, but I pay for it. Deal. That's how democracy works.

Nevermind that the first taxes imposed on Americans (in colonial days) were among the causes of the American Revolution.

And nevermind that there was no US income tax until the mid 20th century.

Obviously, there just wasn't a real democracy working before that.

[conus]

Because I refuse to believe that my taxes should be raised to pay for fucking failures around this country who dont go to work, or cant afford health care, or want free handouts, or have more kids to increse their welfare income. FUCK THEM - let them starve.

I guess there's no arguing with that, but you might reconsider uttering those opinions publicly. Speaking of "fucking failures," you sound like an utter flop as a human being.

[HNICPantitude]

Ice Cream to retards.

http://www.lufkindailynews.com/news/newsfd/auto/feed/news/2004/11/03/1099544323.18121.7083.7786.html

[ziggytrix]

All I see in that link are unsubstantiated allegations, and no mention of ice cream.

[mburbank]

What flavor did you order, Pantydude? Dumbass chunk? Likspittle fudge Moron? Blind Faith vanilla? Rocky Road to Hell in a Paved with Good Intentions Cone? Self Interested Bully Crunch?

[Dole]

Vinth (minus entertainment value) + Ronnie (minus intelligence) = pantyboy

[HNICPantitude]

England = Lesser and socialist country

You fucking Cunt.

[FS]

All I see in that link are unsubstantiated allegations, and no mention of ice cream.

You have to read between the lines:

The question remained unanswered late Wednesday on whether criminal charges would be pursued against Lufkin State School employees for alleged voter fraud and coercion.

A U.S. Attorney's Office spokesman said he could not comment on whether felony charges were being considered but did confirm the office had received a GOP report.

[HNICPantitude]

Holy Shit - NICE!

[Dole]

England = Lesser and socialist country

You fucking Cunt.


:lol


Yup, its just TEEMING with socialism over here.

[HNICPantitude]

3 Letters sum it all up.

NHS

[sadie]

national honor society?

[Ant10708]

I was going to apply for that but they wanted me to write a fucking essay. Screw them.

[Anonymous]

:lol


Yup, its just TEEMING with socialism over here.

People over here are still mad about the Spice Girls, Dole.

[Big McLargehuge]

All I want is one person who can honestly defend voting for Bush. I mean I am sure there are people who can do it, but i haven't run into them yet. I want one, just one, genuinely intelligent argument as to why that fuck is the best choice for America. I am sure someone here can do it. Hell, maybe it has been done before, but i missed it. And I really need it right now.

[Strapping Young Lad]

Actually, what I want to know is, why George Bush and John Kerry were the two choices for president, when there are so many intelligent and capable people in the world?

[Immortal Goat]

Because Clinton can't run again. :(

[Perndog]

Don't worry.

The intelligent and capable individuals are the ones who REALLY have the power. They pull the strings of the public politicians.

Of course, it's an open question whether you would agree with their agenda or values if you knew them.

[Big Papa Goat]

HILLARY '08!

[FS]

In the US, does there exist any sort of trend among women where they hope Hillary will run, regardless of her political agenda? With the attention paid to the election overseas here, I've heard a lot of women express the hope that she will, solely because she's a girl.

[Ant10708]

Because Clinton can't run again. :( Yes he can I'm pretty sure. You can't have more then two consequative terms but I believe you you can have more then two terms.

[Dole]

3 Letters sum it all up.

NHS

Yeah, and everyone knows that free healthcare for everyone is one one of the biggest crimes agains humanity ever. Wazzock.

[mburbank]

Pantydude, while you were gone I'd sort of forgotten what a jerk you are.

Don't you feel stupid saying 'lesser country'? What are you, twelve? Oooh, oooh, USA #1!

Girl Pantydude, tell me in person there's more to your husband than just being a deliberately irritating tool. Wait, you don't have to tell me, I've seen it myself from time to time.

What is it with you that you seem to value being the human equivalent of heat rash when you have other things to offfer? What is it with the Steryotypical Republican mindset that you seem to actually value dimwitedness, like being an asshole automatically makes you authentic and genuine?

[conus]

In the US, does there exist any sort of trend among women where they hope Hillary will run, regardless of her political agenda?

Don't count on it. Whenever you are tempted to think that women could save America, just remember the hatred and rage in the faces of southern women in those old film clips of the White Citizen's Council.

A large percentage of Americans are simply no good. They're as self-centered as infants and spend much of thir lives rationalizing their positions. It's not surprising. The country was built on a rotten foundation. It was founded by intolerant religious fanatics and murderous profiteers. Read Hawthorne's Scarlet Letter.
That's America.

[ScruU2wice]

I don't see how any middle class people can defend conservative fiscal policy...

[Perndog]

Because we live in a society where it's possible to jump from one economic level to another.

And because an awful lot of them don't know what they're talking about.

[davinxtk]

Because Clinton can't run again. :( Yes he can I'm pretty sure. You can't have more then two consequative terms but I believe you you can have more then two terms.
An American-born citizen can serve up to 10 years as President, consecutive or non-consecutive, and cannot run for a term that would exceed 10 years.

[Ant10708]

Are you sure? I thought they added that you couldn't run more than two consecutive terms.

[Immortal Goat]

Because Clinton can't run again. :( Yes he can I'm pretty sure. You can't have more then two consequative terms but I believe you you can have more then two terms.
An American-born citizen can serve up to 10 years as President, consecutive or non-consecutive, and cannot run for a term that would exceed 10 years.

If that is true, we theoretically might have to deal with Bush Sr. again. :(

[Ant10708]

Nevermind you're right.

[Perndog]

Nah, Jeb's up in '08.

[ScruU2wice]

An American-born citizen can serve up to 10 years as President, consecutive or non-consecutive, and cannot run for a term that would exceed 10 years.

Constitution test, Represent...

Nah, Jeb's up in '08.

Is that gonna be better than Cheney in 08'

[HNICPantitude]

Burbank, you have an amzing ability to conveniently know when I'm being sarcastic, only when you don't disagree with me. If you honestly believe I think England "a lesser country," than you don't actually read my posts. I have made it a point to overdo my "dislike" of foreigners here, as somewhat of an alter-ego to deliberately irritate very specific members on these threads, because I enjoy their comeback insults. If you haven't been able to read into that, allow me to tell you who they are. AChimp, FS and Dole. I hold absolutely nothing against Canada, Netherlands (FS may not even be from there), and absolutely not England, which I have admired and studied since I was in 8th grade (20 years ago).

As for my arguments, I honestly do not believe I am as right wing as you seem to communicate in your arguments with me. I dislike being made out as Pat Buchanan, or John Lithgow in Footloose, as much as I'm sure you would dislike being compared to Michael Moore. My beliefs are very far left of the examples you use against me. But, thats the nature of argument on these boards... and don't say it's not, because when I first explored beyons General Blabber in December 2002, I tried stating my position clearly, to no avail. I was immediately verbally assaulted with a barrage of Right Wing Hitlereque comparisons, which as you've seen, I could give a shit about. I can take a beating just as well as I can dish it out.

So in an effort to clearly state my position more clearly, one final time:

I am fundamentally much more libertarian than I am Republican. Where I share some views with the Republican Party, my beliefs are much more akin to the Libertarian platform. I also consider myself to be a Conststutional constructionist.

Why, then, would I not have voted for Michael Badnarik?

1. It might sound cliche, but my vote would have been wasted. The U.S. is, as unfortunate as it may seem, a two party country.

2. I approve of the job George Bush has done. I believe, whether anyone here likes it or not, that he has done an excellent job in reclaiming the economy post 9-11. I believe he has done a great job in encouraging small business as well as large. He has a well rounded, and realistic position on economic issues currently facing America. He will, in my opinion, continue to encourage entrepeneurialism and smaller local/regional businesses to form, grow and function. I do not believe the Democratic party is any longer a party that can realistically make this statement. Small business is the foundation for this country, and always has been. Democrats, as far as I can interpret from their very poorly communicated message, will destroy these small businesses by taxing them out of existence, as the fight for the "working man."

3. I believe we were right in attacking Iraq. How can a Libertarian possibly believe that? a.) Because of the same organization many democrats fall back on so easily. The United Nations was placed in charge of controlling Iraq. They failed so miserabley, it can not be posted in one message. Everything that organization did, in regards to Iraq, was in direct contradiction to themselves. They issued Resolution after Resolution after Resolution. They issued ultimatums. They negotiated. They threatened. THEY repeatedly comlained that resolutions were being violated. In situations, such as these, there MUST be consequence for actions and crimes commited by countries that behave like this, or we risk much greater deterioration of regions, and a larger scale threat in the long run. Were there WMDs? I don't know, and neither does anyone on these boards. I personally believe there were and they were moved to Syria. That is one opinion, and happens in my mind, to be the most reasonable. Maybe there werent. Regardless, there was intent to acquire WMDs. Do I believe those weapons would be used on the United States. Nope - I honestly dont. But, they would have been used on Iran and/or Israel. The results of that would have been horrific, and launched this world into a war much larger than this. Do I believe Iraq knowingly harbored terrorists and/or funded their organizations. Yes and yes. Saddam Hussein stood much to benefit by these organiztions harming this country as well as Europe, and turning attention elsewhere. Beyond that, he was a complete megalomaniac, and hated Europe and America.

Had the United Nations acted as a united front, and followed through with consequences of these repeated 16 UN Resolutions, we may have been able to avrt this war all together. But, in my opinion, bribery, corrupt business deals, and animosty of each other caused various countries to balk, and none to actually address the issue at hand. As for the members that did balk - France, Russia and Germany - they were number 1, 2 and 3, respectively, countries that had the largest revenues from deals with Iraq, most of which were in violation of sanctions. The United States was number 48. Do I want to be in Iraq - nope. D I believe we did the right thing - absolutely.

4. I have various issues I cannot support that the Libertarian party believes. For instance I do believe in the legalization of drugs. However, I believe legalization of narcotics is absolutely wrong. I also believe it is necesary to keep certain federal programs and departments in place, and that the Conststution can not be taken literally in the sense of Defense and roads being the only responsibility of federal government.

________________________________

I believe the current state of the Democratic party has a more extremist view to the left of center than the Republican party does to the right.

So you can continue to throw names out as often as you'd like when you want to argue, and I will return with equally, if not greater overblown statements. But, the fact is - there are manymore non-religious, non-"redneck" people like me thatvoted than you care to admit, and it's unfortunate you have as negative a view of Americans as you do.

[conus]

In situations, such as these, there MUST be consequence for actions and crimes commited by countries that behave like this,

There are consequences. One example that comes to mind is 9/11. Get ready for more. With each day that passes, your man Bush creates more and more reason to attack America. You reap what you sew. If you're one of those morons who parrots that hillbilly, claimming that U.S. forces are bringing peace and stability to the region, then you're either a liar or incredibly stupid. They've turned Iraq into a living nightmare for millions of human beings who were better off even under Saddam Hussein.

[Perndog]

Since it sounds like most of those Iraqis are better off dead, someone should just nuke them and get the whole issue done with. Oh, but then they'd destroy all of those marvelous antiquities.

There's a riddle for you. Why are the safe and (relatively peaceful) places in Europe, east Asia (by this I mean Japan and half of China), and America instead of in the cradle of civilization? Why can't all the wars be somewhere like California that doesn't have any ancient history to destroy?

Oh, and it's not anyone like Bush's fault America got attacked, it's all those homos and atheists and hippies in the ACLU. :rolleyes

[Alive]

I dunno, walk into some van gogh or monet art gallery with a bomb
strapped to your chest and feel the negotiating leverage you now have..

[Perndog]

Monet and Van Gogh have nothing on ancient Babylon.

[mburbank]

The bulk of your post simply affirms one of the things I said, you're way smarter than you were posting. I said so when you first came here, I said I liked your site. It is possible to be funny and support what you really think at the same time. Try it.

The only thing you said I want to respond to is:

" But, the fact is - there are manymore non-religious, non-"redneck" people like me thatvoted than you care to admit, and it's unfortunate you have as negative a view of Americans as you do."

Some of my best friends vooted for Bush. I'm having two of them to Thanksgiving dinner at my house. Neither one of them are Rednecks, and one just got back from serving in Iraq. There are not enough fundamentalists in the country to elect Bush, but there were enough to throw the election to him. I think you, and my friends, made a grievous mistake. I disagree with you on economy and security issues, but that's not my point. You and my friends think you can overlook his arrogance and his fundamentalism because you think he's doing a good job. I think that's dangerous. I think arrogance and fundamentalism are a dangerous as hell combo platter. I think W. thinks he's infallible and God's instrument on earth. I think the most posionous part of America (fundamentalists) just sent the message that if future republicans want to stay in power (should we survive that long) they will have to do what fundamentalists tell them to do,m or they won't get elected, or reelected. I think by the time this term is over, the Supreme court will have young fundamentalists on it, and they will be there for a very long time. I think this is a hell of a lot of danger to overlook EVEN IF you thought he did a swell job, and I think it's naive to overlook it. And if the defficit is reduced at all in four years, let alone cut in half I'll eat my hat. I think it will be lots bigger, but we'll see.

[ItalianStereotype]

A large percentage of Americans are simply no good. They're as self-centered as infants and spend much of thir lives rationalizing their positions. It's not surprising. The country was built on a rotten foundation. It was founded by intolerant religious fanatics and murderous profiteers. Read Hawthorne's Scarlet Letter.
That's America.

why did people let this slide? such a foolish generalization could only come from the dregs of the intellectual barrel, yet it's being tolerated?

[Ant10708]

Because no one really gives a shit what conus has to say.