Dems beaten, Republicans now begin to atack their own center

[mburbank]

The religous right is demanding that Arlen Spectre, who is pro choice, not be allowed to chair the judicial commitee.

Look for more politburro tactics. This is typical of every extremist movement. Once you've defeated those most obviously opposed to your agenda, you begin gnawing away at yourself.

I predict attacks on other center Republicnas, depending on hiow well this test ballon floats.

[Ronnie Raygun]

I'm not a big fan of Spectre myself...

How about Hatch??

HAHAHA!

[Ant10708]

Is it just because he's pro-choice?

[mburbank]

You think it's funny now, but wait. Hatch favors stem cell research and he may well find in the months to come that even he is no longer orthodox enough for the Republican rulership.

You want to bet, though, that well funded far right alternatives to Spectre, Snow, and even Mccain will be run against them?

Even Citizen Robespierre became an enemy of the French Revolution.

[Ronnie Raygun]

Bush favors stem cell research....I don't know what you're getting at...

[sspadowsky]

I can't decide which I dislike more: Raygun's feigned ignorance, or his real ignorance.

[Emu]

Bush favors stem cell research....I don't know what you're getting at...

Are you serious?

[El Blanco]

He did grant a shit load of money to the research, he also made it illegal to use aborted fetuses.

[mburbank]

I think his feigned ignorance is more annoying. I mean, you can't fault him for his real ignorance.

Plus, I think his dogged insistance that he isn't feigning ignorance (like he insistence that he answers direct questions) is just obnoxious. Like a little kid who keeps saying "I know you are but what am I?"

Add to that the fact that he actually gets some little thrill simply from being irritating. Funny, insightful, or pertinent, if they ever happened would take a back seat to annoying. That's the main, perhaps the only reason he comes here.

He's a punk. That's way worse than being stupid. That's why I didn't go too far when he talked about how if he lost his airline job he'd become a fireman.

[Ant10708]

He did grant a shit load of money to the research, he also made it illegal to use aborted fetuses. Didn't he make it illegal for the govt to use aborted fetuses not private organziations?

[Cosmo Electrolux]

Bush favors stem cell research....I don't know what you're getting at...

you have GOT to be the biggest dumbass on this board. Bush does NOT favor stem cell research...he allows limited research...but full support would alienate his dumber, more religious supporters...like yourself.

[Buffalo Tom]

Bush favors stem cell research....I don't know what you're getting at...

you have GOT to be the biggest dumbass on this board. Bush does NOT favor stem cell research...he allows limited research...but full support would alienate his dumber, more religious supporters...like yourself.

What do you expect from a guy who says Creationism should be taught as a scientific theory in the classroom?

[Spectre X]

THIS THREAD IS LIKE MY BATSIGNAL!








Okay I'm leaving now. :(

[mburbank]

So... you guys do know there's a difference between an embryo and a fetus, right? And that frozen embryos from fertility clinics get destroyed wether they're used to create stem cell lines? And that the big bucks in medical research mostlly comes from the government? I mean, you voted so surely you educumated yourselves to at least the degree that you know aborted fetuses have nothing to do with this, right?

[Cosmo Electrolux]

Bush favors stem cell research....I don't know what you're getting at...

you have GOT to be the biggest dumbass on this board. Bush does NOT favor stem cell research...he allows limited research...but full support would alienate his dumber, more religious supporters...like yourself.

What do you expect from a guy who says Creationism should be taught as a scientific theory in the classroom?

It is so fucking embarrasing to live in the south...the world thinks we're all like Ronnie......

[AChimp]

KNEEJERK! KNEEEEEEJEEEEERRRRKKK!!!

[Spectre X]

FUCK ALL THIS SHIT IS MAKING ME VIOLENTLY ILL



ILL WITH ANGER

[Burger Lord]

heh, schools in Atlanta still teach evolution as a "still not proven" Darwinism theory
so yea, there's no hope for the south

[KevinTheOmnivore]

You think it's funny now, but wait. Hatch favors stem cell research and he may well find in the months to come that even he is no longer orthodox enough for the Republican rulership.

History proves you to be correct, Max. When FDR and the New Dealers took full control, they ran a tight ship within their coalition by threatening to primary any Southern Democrats who didn't fall in step with the New Deal.

I am serious about everyone registering Republican. We should speed up the Sovietization of this country as fast as we can. One big party with roughly an entire nation in her membership cannot have a clear message, and will implode.

We need to get back to the days when progressive Republicans and Old Guard Republicans (now insert Neo-Cons) engaged in fist fights at their state conventions.

[Miss Modular]

After reading this (http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_np=0&u_pg=1673&u_sid=1252424), I have become certain that the GOP core not only wants to rule the country, they want world domination.

[Ant10708]

heh, schools in Atlanta still teach evolution as a "still not proven" Darwinism theory
so yea, there's no hope for the south I thought the theory of evolution wasn't proven which made it a theory. I believe in evolution but has it be sceintifically proven? I figured it was a theory that has many things indicating its true( like the big bang theory) so we just accept it as true.

[Sethomas]

It's pretty well accepted as a law, it's not like real biologists have any doubt that speciation occured by evolution. Evolution can be proven by two observations: natural selection and genetic mutation.

We've seen natural selection work with amazing speed in HIV infections, and we see mutated frogs all the time. Hell, I swear I've seen a six-legged cow while in Kansas. So yeah, even though we appease the morons by not calling it the Law of Evolution, the idea is accepted as a concrete fact.

And although I am quite aware of its benefits, I'm still opposed to embryonic stem cell research.

[El Blanco]

Ya, the Bush admin is getting rid of all them moderates

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6446454/

[Ant10708]

It's pretty well accepted as a law, it's not like real biologists have any doubt that speciation occured by evolution. Evolution can be proven by two observations: natural selection and genetic mutation.

We've seen natural selection work with amazing speed in HIV infections, and we see mutated frogs all the time. Hell, I swear I've seen a six-legged cow while in Kansas. So yeah, even though we appease the morons by not calling it the Law of Evolution, the idea is accepted as a concrete fact.

And although I am quite aware of its benefits, I'm still opposed to embryonic stem cell research. How much stem cell research can you do without it using embyonics

[Ant10708]

embryos*

fix the edit function

[Senior Tim Allen]

Actually new sources of stem cells has been found
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993643

[Sethomas]

Stem cells can be extracted from adults. They're not as maleable and often less useful as those taken from embryos, but they don't have the moral reprehension.

[AChimp]

Moral reprehension? They're just cells and they throw the embryos away regardless.

[Sethomas]

That's only half the argument, though. Okay, nothing wrong with using the current supply, right? Once they're gone, will there be no more? No. Abortion clinics insure that there is a lucrative market. I've seen the price lists. It's been a while, but last time I looked an intact fetal brain brings in $1200. Stem cells aren't the exact same issue, but it's close enough.

[ziggytrix]

Embryonic stem cells, as their name suggests, are derived from embryos. Specifically, embryonic stem cells are derived from embryos that develop from eggs that have been fertilized in vitro—in an in vitro fertilization clinic—and then donated for research purposes with informed consent of the donors. They are not derived from eggs fertilized in a woman's body.

http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/basics/basics3.asp

[ziggytrix]

So which is the morally reprehensible part? Mixing sperm and eggs in vitro or making use of the ones that would otherwise be thrown out like garbage?

Frankly, I find it morally reprehensible that scientific progress is being intentionally hindered for political gain.

[Baalzamon]

exactly.

all the religious anti stem cell people remind me of that monty python song in the meaning of life.

"Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great
when a sperm is wasted, god gets quite irate"

these people make it sound as if every one of these embryos would have been implanted into a woman to become people, when in reality they would have just been thrown in the incinerator.

why not use them instead of throwing them out?

[ziggytrix]

YOU CAN'T PLAY GOD, OR GOD WILL GIVE YOUR MOVIE A BAD REVIEW.

[Supafly345]

The religous right is demanding that Arlen Spectre, who is pro choice, not be allowed to chair the judicial commitee.

Look for more politburro tactics. This is typical of every extremist movement. Once you've defeated those most obviously opposed to your agenda, you begin gnawing away at yourself.

I predict attacks on other center Republicnas, depending on hiow well this test ballon floats.I see where you could pick that up, but this is definitely not the case. Republicans don't trust Spectre, and most believe he is a Democrat in desgiuse (though Democrats call him a sensable Republican). This is mainly because around two or so years ago Spectre used Bush, and pretended to support him so he could land a spot of power. And after only 13 days of getting said position he suddenly turned against Bush and has been against him for the most part ever since.
Pro-Choice has little or nothing to do with this, but I understand how stating that this was the issue would be better at making people angry, since suddenly it turns an unrelated topic into a radicalist movement theory, whether it was yours or not. But that is how the baseball game is played.

[mburbank]

"Stem cells aren't the exact same issue, but it's close enough."

It's not 'close enough' in that it has nothing at all to with it. Embryos slated for disposal are what you get embryonic stem cells from. No aborted Fetuses in the picture at all. You might as well be saying "The killing of endangered Elephants for ivory is the same excat issue, but it's close enough".

And Blanco. The resignation of two hard right wingers cannot be seen as any indication of the status of centrists, unless you somehow think they are going to be replaced by centrists. The only reason Ashcroft might be replaced by someone to the left of him is that it would be very nearly impossible to find anyone right of him. You think Arlen Spectre will get the nod for AT general? Maybe Olympia Snow?

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Ya, the Bush admin is getting rid of all them moderates

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6446454/

This is fucking politics Blanco, and you damn well know it. Ashcroft, probably from day one, has been the most unpopular cabinet selection. He has also conducted himself in a fashion that made him come across as overtly Christian. Even Bill O'Reilly was denouncing the guy today.

SSo what do you do? Bring in a Latino with a semi-liberal judicial record, make the growing Hispanic base happy, as well as making a faux gesture to the MILLIONS who voted for Kerry. This doesn't make Ashcroft a bad man, nor does it mean Gonzelez is unqualified, but it was a politically conscious decision by the Bush Team.

Denounce Tom DeLay, just like the REPUBLICAN House did during an electionn (!), and then you'll convince me that Bush is broadening his base.