PSP vs DS

[James]

From Gamespot's reviews:

DS
-Released November 21st
-16 games reviewed
-Average review score: 6.61

PSP
-Released March 24th
-14 games reviewed
-Average review score: 7.65

DS games scoring 8.0 or higher: Super Mario DS (1 game)
PSP games scoring 8.0 or higher: Metal Gear Acid, Wipeout Pure, Twisted Metal: Head-On, Ridge Racer, Darkstalkers Chronicle: The Chaos Tower, Tony Hawk's Underground 2 Remix, Lumines (7 games)

DS games scoring 6.0 or lower: Retro Atari Classics, Pokemon Dash, Ping Pals, Sprung, Spider-Man 2 (5 games)
PSP games scoring 6.0 or lower: Gretzky NHL (1 game)



I'm going to Best Buy today, and I'm going to try really fucking hard not to leave with a PSP. :/

[the_dudefather]

suggestions for this topic:

-no more discussion on how psp has low battery life
-no more discussion on the psps which have dodgy buttons, pixels, casings, etc

hate to be a facist or anything, but the forementioned points have been talked about a million times before, and im sick of hearing about them

anyway, i plan to get a DS in the summer, depending on when castlevania/ metroid/ mario kart come out for it, as there isnt much out at the moment i could be bothered with. except for wario ware, which rocks

[Immortal Goat]

I already have a DS, and I plan on getting a PSP eventually, but not until there is a significant price drop. At the moment, the only thing you can buy is the 270 dollar value pack, and that is ridiculous. Plus, I am saving up for an IBook, so I can't spend that much fucking money on something that has no games that I am interested in at the moment.

[timrpgland]

Metal Gear Acid, Wipeout Pure, Twisted Metal: Head-On, Ridge Racer, Darkstalkers Chronicle: The Chaos Tower, Tony Hawk's Underground 2 Remix, Lumines (7 games)

Do any of these games excite you though? Just cause they have a good score doesn't mean much. Metal Gear Acid looks interesting but other than that, Darkstalkers is the only one that interests me.

As far as the DS, it is going to take a long time for the awesome games to come out. I am waiting for the exclusive Nintendo titles and for me that is reason enough to own any Nintendo system. Nintendo is on top of the hand held scene and it's cool to see some worthy competition rolling in. The GBA and DS together are a tough team though. The PSP is going to have some awesome support by developers and I can't wait for games like GTA to start rolling on the PSP. It's also a movie player which is pretty cool for travelling and will mean that we will be seeing a mix of both games and movies = more titles.

The DS and PSP are both worth the purchases in my mind. Nintendo will put all its cards on the table once the PSP starts taking away consumers. I just don't think they feel it is time to focus one the DS. I would disagree cause they should have launched better but oh well that is Nintendo.

[Rongi]

i have no passion to purchase either really.

[Anonymous]

PSP games scoring 8.0 or higher: Metal Gear Acid, Wipeout Pure, Twisted Metal: Head-On, Ridge Racer, Darkstalkers Chronicle: The Chaos Tower, Tony Hawk's Underground 2 Remix, Lumines (7 games)

Wasn't your major complaint about the GBA that many of its games were just remakes of older games?

[Immortal Goat]

I seem to remember him saying that at one point as well. I want both, but so far, there is only one game I want for it, and the movies aren't a big enough incentive cuz I'm getting a laptop with a DVD drive.

[ziggytrix]

I wish Sony hadn't felt the need to invent TWO new proprietary storage media for the PSP. And NONE of the games mentioned thus far have my interest. :/

[executioneer]

isnt anyone gonna post that funny movie where the psp ejects the disc lol that is a funny movie lol someone should edit it so that after the disc eject sit says "PSPWNED LOL" in the middle of the screen!

[EverythingWillSuck]

or 'stfu newbie' :lol

[James]

PSP games scoring 8.0 or higher: Metal Gear Acid, Wipeout Pure, Twisted Metal: Head-On, Ridge Racer, Darkstalkers Chronicle: The Chaos Tower, Tony Hawk's Underground 2 Remix, Lumines (7 games)

Wasn't your major complaint about the GBA that many of its games were just remakes of older games?

Guest :lol

Well, "remake" is being quite generous in regards to a lot of the ports put on the GBA (Super Mario Bros 2... now with DRAGON COINS!). Not all of those games are remakes. THUG2 Remix and Darkstalkers are the only ones that come close, but THUG2R has FOUR new levels, and supposedly more goals for each existing level. Darkstalkers is more of an MK Trilogy-style game, featuring all the characters from all the games put together. In other words, both games feature for more additonal content than you'd ever find in an NES/SNES port to justify paying $40.

As far as I know, Wipeout is a new game. MGA is a new game. Twisted Metal is a new game. Ridge Racer MIGHT be a remake, but I don't know anything about it to say this or that about it.

I'd rather pay $40 for a "remake" of THUG2 than $40 for Super Mario Brothers 2... NOW WITH DRAGON COINS!!!!!1one

[CKY2K]

You can play movies and MP3s on a GBA/DS with a flash card.

[darkvare]

wasnt MGA a crappy card game?

[executioneer]

wipeout xl was a futuristic racing game for playstation

[darkvare]

no i mean metal gear acid, is a card game. like the guy from ign said :Yu-Gi-Oh with a gun.

[thebiggameover]

its ridge racers, with new tracks, and highly updated gfx....

[James]

Metal Gear Acid, Wipeout Pure, Twisted Metal: Head-On, Ridge Racer, Darkstalkers Chronicle: The Chaos Tower, Tony Hawk's Underground 2 Remix, Lumines (7 games)

Do any of these games excite you though? Just cause they have a good score doesn't mean much. Metal Gear Acid looks interesting but other than that, Darkstalkers is the only one that interests me.

Missed this before. I'm very interested in MGA and Lumines, and would be willing to buy them without prior hands-on experience experience. The others interest me enough that I'd rent them to find out more about them, and I'm tempted enough the think I'd enjoy purchasing Darkstalkers and Wipeout. That's 4 games; The same number of GBA games I own since its release.

[jin]

I played MGS, its not really that great at all ;/

Ridge Racers was incredibly addictive though, a flashy game to show some of the potential of the system with arcade gameplay. ;0

I also got Armored Core: Formula Front, which is pretty damn addictive and awesome too - the graphics are incredible :D

Darkstalkers looks mediocre, and the loading times are meant to be pretty crippling too ;<

Ridge Racers really excels out of the launch batch, especially with its online connectivity - you can host a game and play over a broadband connection with the right software/hardware ;D

But it is true that the launch games aren't that exciting at all - looking over the developers signed on begin to excite though; especially like the new FFVII action-adventure game, GT4 Mobile, and Devil May Cry ;O

[thebiggameover]

GT4 Mobile,

I will get a psp as soon as that comes out...

and isnt ff3j coming out of the DS?

[Dr. Boogie]

So really, both systems are putting out a bunch of remakes. It's just a question of which remakes you'd most like to have.

[James]

So really, both systems are putting out a bunch of remakes. It's just a question of which remakes you'd most like to have.

:rolleyes

It's nice to know Boogie's reading comprehension is as top-notch as always.

[Helm]

james, gamespot's averages on these two systems aren't a strong argument about anything. mainly because gamespot's reviewers are all lobotomized twice or something

[Drev]

I think nintendo will finally lose in the portable competition because I feel that they know what needs to be done to topple the PSP, but they won't do it. Mp3 player? Nope. Movie player? Nope (even though I find it kinda stupid). They might have a tough screen like a DS (which I think all portables should have now because playing Warioware: Touched was fun.

I've been finding PSPs at one store here for only $250 and comes with the Spider-Man 2 movie. :(

I might buy it in the summer.

[James]

Nintendo is planning on releasing an add-on to play movies and .mp3's, I believe.

I think it's just safe to say that the PSP is the first ever legitimate contender to Nintendo's monopoly on the handheld market, which is really my main point in displaying those numbers.

It was unfortunate Nintendo decided to create conflict within the company by trying to manage two haldheld systems simultaneously, because they voluntarily weakened their own stranglehold on the market, which will only make it that much easier for Sony to be considered tough competition.

[DamnthatDavid]

Like I said before, all Nintendo needs to do is make Starcraft for the DS, and every person with Korean blood will buy it. Nintendo will be saved.

[Drev]

When it comes to the markets, my biggest question is:

When will Microsoft strike?

[the_dudefather]

LOLZ if micro$oft make a handheld it would be the size of a cinderblock and give u a bluescreen LOLZ

[Guitar Woman]

:lol

And that Starcraft idea is gold. I prefer warcraft 2 but hey whatever.

[thebiggameover]

LOLZ if micro$oft make a handheld it would be the size of a cinderblock and give u a bluescreen LOLZ

i think it would be like a PDA but all of the cool crap riped out of it...

[the_dudefather]

yeah, i was just imitated the average internet person who rips on miccrosoft, just because they are microsoft, yet still use their operating system (except for the hardcore who use linux, to which they have every right to make fun of microsoft)

[Dr. Boogie]

So really, both systems are putting out a bunch of remakes. It's just a question of which remakes you'd most like to have.

:rolleyes

It's nice to know Boogie's reading comprehension is as top-notch as always.

Ah yes, sorry about that. I can be a bit confusing at times. Let me break it down for you:

You began the thread with a comparison between some of the launch titles of the DS and PSP. Of the high-scoring PSP games, 5 of the 7 were remakes. I recalled an earlier instance of you braying like an ass about all the things you hated about the GBA, chief among your complaints the fact that there were too many redone games. Curious, I decided to inquire about that bullet wound in your foot.

What I got in response was a brief description of some of the additional content added to the PSP remakes, along with you harping about one of the changes from the SMB2 remake. From that, I drew the conclusion that you do like remakes of games, but only in certain cases. I myself repeatedly buy into the many Castlevania games, but at the same time scoff at Nintendo's shameless, cynical porting of Zelda, Metroid, Super Mario, et al. It's a perfectly reasonable opinion. Not like you at all.

[James]

Like I said, you're being an idiot.

First off, it's not that I do not like remakes. I do not like "remakes" of SNES and NES games providing BARELY any new content (if any at all) for $30. I do not feel the content in the game justifies that kind of price in this day and age. I also do not like it when these remakes make up the majority of the games people consider worth buying for a system. Ports of PS2 games for the PSP is a lot more reasonable, given that the PS2 is still a thriving system, and the content found in the games is considerably more plentiful. While I certainly do not want the PSP's library to be filled with the same games available for the PS2, it's not like Sony is actually doing that, and they certainly aren't re-releasing all their PSX games on the system.

Second, 5 out of 7 of those games are remakes? I thought in my response, I cleared up that they weren't. Out of the list, Tony Hawk's Underground 2 Remix could be considered the only "remake," as it's just like THUG2, except with the addition of 4 new levels and goals. That's a small change, but it's a welcome one. Everything else you might consider a "remake" is actually a new installment in an existing series. I'll admit very easily that there are a few ports now out for the PSP (mostly from EA), but they also tend to have a fair amount of additional content to their PS2 counterparts. And as of this time, they're not making up the majority of the PSP's library.

Do forgive me if I am sounding like pro-Sony/anti-Nintendo. I'm merely defending my stance. Why, I have no idea. Because no matter what I say, you're simply going to ignore it and decide what my opinions are for me, which is why I had to make this reply in the first place.

I know what you're doing, and it's working, but for all the wrong reasons.

[timrpgland]

James, quick question: When did you first really get into gaming? What system/era?

[James]

That's a hard question to answer, really.

I've had video game systems in my house for as long as I can remember. There was a ColecoVision in our house when I was born, and an Atari a couple years later. My first conscious memory of getting a video game system, was getting an NES for Christmas with about 20 games. I remember when the Game Boy came out, and I played some boy's at my brother's Karate competition, and we got our own a couple months later.

The SNES was the first system I actually wanted (the NES, I believe, was my brother's request. I was too young to have a lot of knowledge about games). But most of the games early on were all decisions of my brother's. I was just along for the ride.

I suppose I REALLY got into gaming during the second half of the SNES' lifespan, when I was more knowledgable about video games. I'd started reading EGM, and knowing what games were coming out and how good they were going to be. So instead of my brother deciding what games we wanted, I was now able to decide what games I wanted.

And then Final Fantasy 7 was coming out, and I NEEDED a Playstation for that. I don't know why, considering before that, I'd only played Final Fantasy 6 with mild interest (not old enough to appreciate it. Replaying it has made it my favorite FF game ever).

So I suppose the answer would be between the second half of the SNES lifespan, and the arrival of the Playstation.

[timrpgland]

Off Topic Garbage:

Cool, I was hoping you weren't just a PS child :)

As for FF7, I know alot of people who first discovered RPGs with 7 and will go on and on about their RPG knowledge and haven't even gone back to play the others or have never heard of classics like King's Quest, Quest for Glory, Ultima, Wizardry or Space Quest. In the end they have no reference for their stupid discussions. I'm glad you saw the light with 6 after you were ready to appreciate it, best rpg still. Some hard earned allowance on that game (59.99). I really started digging video games at the early stages of the NES. We were a Atari/Nintendo household and that's just how it went. My older brother got me into RPGs cause he would try and keep them from me which got me interested. Was able to go and play his RPGs once I could comprehend and he showed me the ropes.

7 launched the success of the rpg genre to the general gamer but changed the focus of who they made rpgs for. The mass public will ruin everything. :(

[Emu]

It's already been ruined. Just look at FF10-2. I don't think that game was for the average RPG fan.

[James]

I wouldn't necessarily call King's Quest/Space Quest/etc RPGs. With the exception of Ultima (and Wizardry, maybe), those are all just adventure games. But yeah, I've been playing video games since I was 4 or 5 years old.

I readily admit that I am a HUGE Playstation fan though. The PSX-PS2-PSP rival the feelings I had about NES-SNES-GB, in that the company has just kept giving me so many reasons to like them. While I may not be the biggest fan of Nintendo's anymore, I still LIKE them and WANT them to succeed, but I'll also comment on when I find something wrong with what they're doing (as reasonable as possible), and feel it prevents them from succeeding.

And yeah, FFX-2 wasn't that good. I'm a DIE-HARD FF fan now (even struggled through FF2j), but I am having the hardest fucking time completing FFX-2, and I'm AT THE FUCKING END OF THE GAME. I have to beat Via Infinito (hardest part), and go to the final stage and beat that. And I can't bring myself to. I'd have an easier time removing AIDS with the power of my mind, than to bring myself to sit and play more of FFX-2. :(

[executioneer]

I wouldn't necessarily call King's Quest/Space Quest/etc RPGs.

but Quest for Glory IS a RPG :( you have a class and build up stats and everything :(

[executioneer]

and theres hit points, man! HIT POINTS!

[timrpgland]

King's Quest/Space Quest

Yeah King's Quest and Space Quest are more adventure games but they could be considered a form of rpg if you are so inclined.... and I was :) Space Quest II was one of the games I have very fond memories of.

Can't quote directly but "Did you remember to fill up with gas?" "It was your turn." blip blip blip *coyote fall* :) classic

FFX-2, that game makes me laugh. I did play through it once and enjoyed the job setup but it isn't a FF game that's for damn sure. New game + is a good feature to have and few games use it so it was nice to see another one toss it in. It was a decent game imo, but I was going in knowing that it wasn't going to be awesome and that normally helps.

[Guitar Woman]

The only thing I hate about the DS is that if you loose the little pen thingie you have to use your fingers and it makes the bottom screen all greasy.
Other than that DS easily owns PSP.

[Emu]

I haven't actually played the PSP, but I looked at a notebook full of specs on it in GameCrazy or w/e it is the other day and it wasn't that impressive. Then again, I wasn't really impressed by the DS, either.

[DamnthatDavid]

I'm impressed with the PSP's video quality. If I had monies, I would purchase it.

[Dr. Boogie]

The only thing I hate about the DS is that if you loose the little pen thingie you have to use your fingers and it makes the bottom screen all greasy.
Other than that DS easily owns PSP.

They sell replacements styluses (styli?) in packs of three at Best Buy. Some even come in different colors. Fancy.



Anyway, I've played a few good games on the DS, but for me, the whole thing still feels like one big gimmick. The whole dual screen bit doesn't exactly feel like the next big thing in gaming. In the Metroid Hunters demo, the touch screen made aiming a lot easier, but it just doesn't seem that innovative, like this was the best Nintendo could come up with to match Sony.

[timrpgland]

The touch screen itself is gimmicky (you can still do plenty of cool stuff with it though) but the system is pretty nice. PSP has the more power but the DS has excellent presentation and style, it just isn't being backed up heavily by Nintendo unfortunately.. They love to spread themselves thin.

[Chojin]

The PSP is the first handheld I've had a desire to own since the Game Gear (yeah, i know, shut up, it was color), but mostly for the neat media crap you can do with it. That and anything with a stylus is mostly retarded.

[the_dudefather]

i would love to get one of the different colored ones, as the silver one looks a bit bleh.

:love
http://image.lik-sang.com/images/170/nintendods-jap-white.jpg
:love
http://image.lik-sang.com/images/170/nintendods-jap-black.jpg
:love
http://image.lik-sang.com/images/170/nintendods-jap-turquoise.jpg

[thebiggameover]

ugh, that blue one looks like shit...

[Helm]

space quest and kings quest are not rpgs in any way. They were adventure games, in the most essential way we use the term. Exploration, survival, puzzle solving and plot development. Most RPGS are about patient stat building, item hoarding and battle strategy. Quest for Glory is one of the most successful hybrids of adventure games and rpgs. I tend to think that if we really had to call some computer games 'role playing' ones, they should be more like Quest for Glory and less like fancy looking roguelike clones like Diablo, but the industry seems to disagree with me there.

and anyone who got into console gaming while ignoring computer gaming while the Amiga was around lost out on the best stuff.

[Chojin]

You know, adventure games like those would really save the DS' ass.

[ziggytrix]

HERO'S QUEST :(

[the_dudefather]

maniac mansion....monkey island....broken sword 2...

top screen inventory......bottom screen game....

too bad it will never happen :(

[executioneer]

that sounds like a GREAT idea :(

[Emu]

Like Chojin said, the only reason to get a DS really is because of the media stuff. It's also got some big ass speakers for a hand held, and I loves my Game Boy quality music.

Also, does this thing have a headphone jack? :( That was the one flaw with the GBASP is that it didn't have one.

[executioneer]

chojin was talking about the psp not the ds

maybe you guys should stop using abbreviations :x

[Emu]

yeah i got confused :(

[Drev]

Ok they better make the next GB have an analog stick because playing Mario 64 DS with either the touchpad or d-pad sucks because it's near impossible to do backflips. >:

[ArrowX]

Ive heard that the old Playstation1 non analog joystick peripheral can be attatched to the DS's D-Pad

[timrpgland]

space quest and kings quest are not rpgs in any way.

If you take the meaning of the genre, they fit as a rpg as well. Not the generalization you have of a rpg but nevertheless.

MR UPPITY!

[Helm]

chojin, are you being sarcastic? I think playing an adventure game with a stylus and everything on a portable system might be fun.

[executioneer]

i don't think he was

[Chojin]

no way, it really would be awesome. they should totally strike a deal with lucasarts.

Then again, if they were smart, they wouldn't have announced the new GB for next year.

[Emu]

Does anybody know what exactly will be different on the new GBA? The SP is practically perfect (at least I think so >: )and the only things they could improve are the graphics or the battery life.

Unless they're going to give it a goddamn joystick or something. >:

[Marine]

You can play movies and MP3s on a GBA/DS with a flash card.

But DS have castlevania DS

[executioneer]

marine your continued lack of coherence is a laugh a minute :(

[Marine]

:lol :party :lol :party :lol

[Helm]

there's going to be ports of LEC games to the DS by independent coders anyway. What's the resolution of the DS screens?

[Marine]

:lol :party :lol :party :lol
:lol :party :lol :party :lol

[the_dudefather]

my flatmate got a DS today

AND IT HASA DEAD PIXEL IN THE TOP SCREEN!!

A DEAD PIXEL!!!

and his PSP doesnt have any. take that console stereotyping