Getting an IBook

[Immortal Goat]

With a student discount, a 12 inch IBook only costs $900.00, so it's a pretty good deal. If anyone has any reasons why I whould go for another type of laptop, feel free to tell me. Personally, I can't see why I should, but if there was anything I missed when I was looking into it, I would appreciate any info you have.

[ziggytrix]

Whatcha want a mac for anyway? (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/notebooks?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs)

[executioneer]

yeah seriously wtf

[MetalMilitia]

It would be better to get a Ibook than a DELL as hes not exactly going to be gaming on it, which is a mac's main weakness.
Macs look fancyer and have a nicer looking and arguably better OS.

Immortal: Whats it going to be used for?

[Chojin]

if by arguably better you mean 'fucking broken', then yeah, sure.

every time I've had to use a mac something horrible has happened to them. Back when they were shitty 68ks they'd crash all the time, and now that they're on Jaguar or whatever they confuse permissions and need to have a cleanup run after like every reboot in order to run programs at all. And it'd also still crash, but it'd do it in a screen explaining to me how it'd just dicked me over in 7 different languages, and it'd let me see all the work in the background that I couldn't save. Additionally, outside of the studio music and art world, there is next to no software available for them. Interestingly enough, people that work in live sound (concerts) use PCs because the macs are too unreliable.

* But they are pretty.

[ArrowX]

Less power more flower

[Immortal Goat]

I never heard any of that before, Chojin. Mostly, this will be used for writing papers, internet browsing, and maybe my Myst games, seeing as how they aren't that involved anyway. I talked to a bunch of people with the same thing I am getting, and they said that it was great. I dunno now, though.

[ziggytrix]

most musicians i've seen doing live stuff were using macs, unless they were no-names/up-and-comers who couldn't afford to buy software, so they'd use pcs b/c it's much easier to get pirated software (not that it's really that hard to find mac warez, but i digress)

also, the latest version of OS X is pretty darn stable, though earlier versions were so bad I think there was acutally a class action lawsuit over it.

Goat, your powerbook will do all that, and it will impress the art fags to no end. I was just suggesting that you could get more bang for your buck in a PC, but the mac vs pc debate passed from functionality into personal preference years ago

[Immortal Goat]

Actually, I'm not getting the PowerBook, just the IBook, which is almost the same, just less ram and a smaller screen or something.

[AChimp]

Go with a Pentium laptop. Macs are shit, and you can't fucking do anything with them except walk around and have everyone talk about what a fag you are. People only get them because they want to be "different."

There's no software for Macs, either. And the software that's out there blows. Safari, my ass. More like "Fuck with your HTML and make websites look like shit" Safari.

MacOS sucked so bad that they had to throw it all away and base their stuff on Unix. And it's still shit.

[MetalMilitia]

Hey! Studio MX 2004 + a Mac = Win.

Its like the PC version (well the same) but shineyer and rounder.

[ziggytrix]

after getting used to photoshop on a mac, photoshop on a PC is frustrating. :(

saying OS 9 "sucked so bad they had to throw it away" is pretty whack. it didn't suck, in fact it was rock solid, but it was also dated as fuck.

[soundtest]

Ewwww those Dells are so fucking UGLY! Spending a lot of money on one of those things and booting up to a Windows XP screen would seriously depress me. PC laptop design needs drastic change. Before, at least they looked durable and had a somewhat utilitarian design (ThinkPads are a good example). Now they just look embarassing.

I don't own one, but I think Macs are great. OSX is beautiful - I've used it enough and have never encountered any stability issues with it. Besides gaming, you can do virtually anything else you could do on a PC with a Mac, and Mac warez are not that difficult to find. In conclusion, I would get a used ThinkPad and install Linux on it.

[Chojin]

most musicians i've seen doing live stuff were using macs, unless they were no-names/up-and-comers who couldn't afford to buy software, so they'd use pcs b/c it's much easier to get pirated software (not that it's really that hard to find mac warez, but i digress)
I'm talking about live sound technicians. Musicians go either way with digital composition as music software can tend to be os-specific.

[AChimp]

Who cares what the computer looks like? All that matters is what's inside it. I couldn't give a shit if my computer had fancy lights on it. They don't make it go any faster. It's sickening the number of people who want their computers to look cool, spend hundreds of dollars modding their cases, scrimp on the guts and then bitch about how they can't run the latest software. >:

Buying a computer for how it looks is completely retarded.

Photoshop on a PC is a million times better than a Mac. I was able to run Photoshop 5 on a Pentium 233 with 32MB of RAM faster than I could on an iMac 333 with 64MB. On my 3.0GHz P4, Photoshop loads in 5 seconds and the interface is identical to anything I've seen on the Mac version. In fact, the UI is better because I have more mouse buttons.

[Chojin]

I've been using photoshop for years and still haven't used a button outside of the primary one on the mouse (except for the wheel), cause Photoshop was designed for a mac. Still, I don't notice any differences between PS 7-CS on either system, other than the aforemented crashes on OS X.

Being an artist, I can appreciate pretty looks, but I see a computer as more of a tool than a WAY OF LIFE. You can get programs that make Windows look prettier, but they dicked my functionality of the OS in the ass so I quickly went back to the blue and green.

Although since XP I can't stand to use an earlier version of Windows without screaming.

[soundtest]

Who cares what the computer looks like? All that matters is what's inside it.

At the risk of sounding redundant: taking into account that Immortal Goat does not intend to game on this laptop, what can a PC offer him that a Mac can't? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like Immortal Goat needs a simple, stable, compact (have you looked at those Dell behemoths?) laptop for surfing, word processing, listening to mp3s, and watching movies. Please tell me how a Mac would have trouble with this, because to me you just come off as someone who is extremely biased yet has little experience in what they are talking about. Anti-Mac zealots are just as irritating as Mac zealots.

And it may not be a factor for you, but Macs are aesthetically pleasing. You might not care what your computer looks like, but for others, it does matter. Just because someone would prefer to spend their time staring at a device that is pleasing to the eye as opposed to one that is functional yet bland (or in some cases downright ugly), does not mean that they need to go all iLife and grab a pair of dark framed emo glasses, crank up the Radiohead, and head over to Starbucks in their Mini.

But again, if it were me, I'd just get a ThinkPad and install Linux.


Photoshop on a PC is a million times better than a Mac.

In fact, the UI is better because I have more mouse buttons.

:lol

[ziggytrix]

Thinkpads are discontinued hardware. :(

Sucks cuz IBM was the only laptop manufacturer still using a good bit of steel in their casing, instead of shatter-happy plastics.

[AChimp]

At the risk of sounding redundant: taking into account that Immortal Goat does not intend to game on this laptop, what can a PC offer him that a Mac can't? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like Immortal Goat needs a simple, stable, compact (have you looked at those Dell behemoths?) laptop for surfing, word processing, listening to mp3s, and watching movies. Please tell me how a Mac would have trouble with this, because to me you just come off as someone who is extremely biased yet has little experience in what they are talking about. Anti-Mac zealots are just as irritating as Mac zealots.
My opinion has been formed over 15 years of using both Macs and PCs. Sorry to burst your bubble, dude, but I probably know what I'm talking about when it comes to computers than most people on this board put together.

There's no problem fitting a Dell/Compaq/Sony/whatever laptop in a schoolbag. I know people who do it every day. Hell, you don't even need a full-on laptop; there's plenty of smaller notebook or tablets available on the market.

Here's what what a Mac can give over a PC: non-standard proprietary bullshit hardware and no software to run on it.
By going with a PC, you'll get something that will lasts longer (better and faster hardware means that you'll still be able to run the latest software for a couple years) and is infinitely more versatile. With a PC, you get CHOICE... not what some Apple exec signed off on as being trendy or "cool."

As for tough laptops, Toshiba still makes their Toughbooks as far as I know, but you probably have to special order them.

[MetalMilitia]

Why is it that no one can so much as mention a mac on the internet without it turning into a full scale Mac VS PC debate.
If he wants a Ibook let him get a damn Ibook

[AChimp]

The guy's gonna need some shred of self-respect. I'm trying to save him from himself.

[ziggytrix]

My opinion has been formed over 15 years of using both Macs and PCs. Sorry to burst your bubble, dude, but I probably know what I'm talking about when it comes to computers than most people on this board put together.

WTF? :fu I've a bachelor's degree in computer science from an accredited American University, I've worked in tech support, graphic design, web application development, corporate infrastructure, on PC (NT, 2000, and XP), Mac, *nix servers, hell I've even did a semester of AS/400 programming on an IBM mainframe. I've studied system architecture, programming languages, artificial intelligence. Now you can post your CV and I still won't give a fuck cuz the rest of your argument is weak. See below.


By going with a PC, you'll get something that will lasts longer (better and faster hardware means that you'll still be able to run the latest software for a couple years) and is infinitely more versatile. With a PC, you get CHOICE... not what some Apple exec signed off on as being trendy or "cool."

The real downside to the apple laptops is that they're still a generation behind on their mobile processor. But for everything he mentioned an iBook is more than sufficient. You don't need a P4 3GHz processor to surf the web or play a 4 year old game (which, by the way looked MUCH better on the Mac than it did on the PC).


Please tell me how a Mac would have trouble with this, because to me you just come off as someone who is extremely biased yet has little experience in what they are talking about. Anti-Mac zealots are just as irritating as Mac zealots.

I don't have an answer to that, so I'm just gonna say I know more about computers than the rest of you put together! :faggot

heh, don't take this personally chimp, but we gotta turn the heat up here, cuz this is the best i-mockery style action this forum has ever seen, am i right?

[soundtest]

Thinkpads are discontinued hardware. :(

Sucks cuz IBM was the only laptop manufacturer still using a good bit of steel in their casing, instead of shatter-happy plastics.

Yea, it's too bad. They are super durable and I love their old design. I'd still recommend getting a used one.

blah blah blah don't you know who you're talking to i'm the computer guy around here blah blah blah

Yes dude, I am well aware of your ego and that you have crowned yourself the resident 'computer guy' on this board, but still you say nothing. Proprietary hardware? We're talking about laptops. Upgrades are available for both, but for the most part, neither will be a system that you can keep upgrading for years like a desktop.

You say there is no software but you give no examples. All Macs come with a great selection of programs to start off with, and many others are available for almost everything you would want to do on a computer, gaming aside.

[AChimp]

WTF? :fu I've a bachelor's degree in computer science from an accredited American University, I've worked in tech support, graphic design, web application development, corporate infrastructure, on PC (NT, 2000, and XP), Mac, *nix servers, hell I've even did a semester of AS/400 programming on an IBM mainframe. I've studied system architecture, programming languages, artificial intelligence. Now you can post your CV and I still won't give a fuck cuz the rest of your argument is weak. See below.

Haha you're so old-school. :rolleyes Seriously, it doesn't matter what you know because if you reread my post I said "most people."

The real downside to the apple laptops is that they're still a generation behind on their mobile processor. But for everything he mentioned an iBook is more than sufficient. You don't need a P4 3GHz processor to surf the web or play a 4 year old game (which, by the way looked MUCH better on the Mac than it did on the PC).
The ONLY thing that I'll give Macs is that their LCD screens are top notch. They should stop making computers and just make monitors, because I'd buy one of those if it didn't come covered in faggy clear plastic.

Everyone always says, "oh you don't need a fast computer for that blah blah blah." You know what? Yes you do. After about a month of your shiny new SLOW iBook, you'll be looking at the people around you saying, "Shit, I wish my laptop could do that. Fuck, if I would have just waited another three weeks, I could afford to buy this month's iBook that comes with that feature. Time to go grab a pair of dark framed emo glasses, crank up the Radiohead, and head over to Starbucks in my Mini because I'll only fit in with other losers who bought a Mac."

Saying that the Mac version of a 4-year-old game is better is weak (LOL, how ironic, you calling my arguments weak). GL Quake looks awesome on my current machine. It's called better technology, plus four years that it took developers to port the code. You'd think they gave the artists something to do during that time, too.

You say there is no software but you give no examples. All Macs come with a great selection of programs to start off with, and many others are available for almost everything you would want to do on a computer, gaming aside.
Yeah, just like how XP comes with everything you could ever possibly use or want to ever do with your computer. Wordpad to meet all your word processing needs and Media Player garbage for MP3s. I'm sure they're really awesome and would meet all the needs of a mentally-handicapped senior citizen learning to use a computer for the first time.

Safari is bullshit. The little helper apps are bullshit. Want more? Pay an annual fee to get access to handy .Mac!!! Don't even get me started on the shareware that's available for Macs. That's all bullshit, too (and I have firsthand experience because one of my professors writes some of those apps). Every one of them is just a variation on the same theme: "Oh look! We can take this RSS feed from the web and display it in an interesting fashion!"

Good luck going out to buy software, especially if you don't live in a city with one of those Apple stores. I think all Best Buy sells is MS Office for Macs, and it's just a display box because they knew no one would really want that anyways.

[Immortal Goat]

Hey now, I didn't want this to turn into some big argument about which is better, I just was looking for some advice. I will list my reasons for a Mac below, and all you have to do is respond to that. Kay?

-Virus protection. Only one virus has ever been written for them, and I don't think it has ever successfully attacked a unit.

-Comes with a nice software bundle, which means I don't have to buy extra shit for it.

-Light, durable casing means it can survive my horrendous backpack environment

-Sufficient software for wordprocessing and movies on the go

-*MOST IMPORTANT*Student discount. Sure, I COULD wait another month or so and get a more expensive PC, but I have financial opbligations to my family that would be hindered by such a purchase.

There, those are the reasons for the Mac decision. Achimp, if you have any reasons why I should still get a PC, by all means, try and convince me. Everyone's opinion in here is valid. Unless ArrowX decides to contribute.

[executioneer]

lol :lol

[Immortal Goat]

:confused what's that for?

[executioneer]

the last line ;(

[executioneer]

idk if your not going to play any new games a mac shoudl be fine, i just dont like the way they look myself :/

[Immortal Goat]

The newest thing I would put on it is Deus Ex, and the thing comes standard with a ATI Radeon 9200 (I think), so it should be fine.

[AChimp]

You poor sap. You actually bought that line about "no viruses." There's plenty of security problems with Macs; you don't hear about them because only a tiny fraction of the world uses them. :lol

Seriously, if I want to cause mayhem, would I do it to a handful of artfags or the business world?

Commodore used to say the same thing about DOS. "Only MS-DOS gets viruses!" Then a few viruses for the Amiga went through the BBSes and Commodore shut up pretty quick.

[Immortal Goat]

Well, either way, I won't get a virus, and that is what is important to me. My computer crashed twice in one year, and the second time, I lost everything I had done in Flash, which was a lot, and it pissed me off. If I don't get viruses, I don't get viruses, whether it is because of the lack of viruses themselves or the lack of mac users.

[soundtest]

Seriously, it doesn't matter what you know because if you reread my post I said "most people."

That's really lame. You know why.


Everyone always says, "oh you don't need a fast computer for that blah blah blah." You know what? Yes you do. After about a month of your shiny new SLOW iBook, you'll be looking at the people around you saying, "Shit, I wish my laptop could do that. Fuck, if I would have just waited another three weeks, I could afford to buy this month's iBook that comes with that feature.

The same argument could be said for any laptop.


Yeah, just like how XP comes with everything you could ever possibly use or want to ever do with your computer. Wordpad to meet all your word processing needs and Media Player garbage for MP3s.

Safari is bullshit. The little helper apps are bullshit. Want more? Pay an annual fee to get access to handy .Mac!!! Don't even get me started on the shareware that's available for Macs. That's all bullshit, too (and I have firsthand experience because one of my professors writes some of those apps). Every one of them is just a variation on the same theme: "Oh look! We can take this RSS feed from the web and display it in an interesting fashion!"


:melt You are extremely tedious. Say something or please shut up. You still have not given me one example of anything an average user would want to do on a Mac, but couldn't. Instead you cry about Safari again. I've used Safari and think it's great, but if I didn't, I'd INSTALL FIREFOX.


Good luck going out to buy software, especially if you don't live in a city with one of those Apple stores. I think all Best Buy sells is MS Office for Macs, and it's just a display box because they knew no one would really want that anyways.

Who buys software?

[ziggytrix]

Your description of Macc users as "a handful of art fags" shows that you have no real world Mac knowledge. Advertizing and publishing firms are gonna have mostly Macs.


Saying that the Mac version of a 4-year-old game is better is weak (LOL, how ironic, you calling my arguments weak). GL Quake looks awesome on my current machine.

It's not a weak argument when the buyer said he wants to play that 4 year old game. It just shows that you fail to grasp that a computer is only as good as how well it does what you want it to do. For your avereage, non-gamer computer user, the differences between PCs and Macs are mainly cosmetic and interface issues. If you're just writing papers and browsing the web you won't see how slow a G4 runs.

[MetalMilitia]

Ironically Bill Gates uses a Mac. (If the rumors are true :/)

[Alive]

Well microsoft did bail out apple a few years back, so in a sense he owns them too lol. (actualy i think it is a "hidden" microsoft company) ironicly bill gates and "co" did write a lot of software for apple a long time ago.. just get what you think you will like the most for what you need it to do. dont subscribe to any one form or factor for style or status or w/e...

[AChimp]

Your description of Macc users as "a handful of art fags" shows that you have no real world Mac knowledge. Advertizing and publishing firms are gonna have mostly Macs.
I did several years in graphics arts and have done quite a bit of design work. I did it all on a Mac. It sucked, because everytime you wanted to do something in Photoshop... oh no! Out of memory! Well, let's free up some memory then... oh no! The whole computer froze! Reboot it with that CTRL-Apple-whatever combination... nothing... hit the reset switch! There is no reset switch... hit the power button! It does nothing! The fucking power button does nothing! ARG!!! :blah

Advertising and publishing firms are all full of art fags, too. I've been to a few and worked with them.

It's not a weak argument when the buyer said he wants to play that 4 year old game. It just shows that you fail to grasp that a computer is only as good as how well it does what you want it to do.
Yes, it is weak when you say that "it looks better on the Mac" after it's had 4+ EXTRA YEARS OF WORK DONE ON IT. Since you have so much experience in IT, you should know about the improvements that can be made in an amount of time like that.

You are extremely tedious. Say something or please shut up. You still have not given me one example of anything an average user would want to do on a Mac, but couldn't. Instead you cry about Safari again. I've used Safari and think it's great, but if I didn't, I'd INSTALL FIREFOX.
AHAHAHA! I choose games! You lose, unless all the user wants to play is that puzzle thing. Oh, what's that? You want to exclude games from the argument? Too bad. Excluding games to try to prove your side of the argument is like having someone explain creationism but forbidding them to mention God.

Sure, everything you could "want to do" can be done on a Mac with the default programs, but it's extremely limiting. All you get is either A) something made by Apple, or B) something made by another company that originally was originally designed for the PC and has been watered-down to uselessness and the ever popular C) shareware RSS feed displayers.

If I suddenly started hating Office, I could switch to any number of products that are available. What are you left with on a Mac? AppleWorks or the default text editor. :bestthread

You can tell a lot about what Mac users do with their computers by the software that is available, though.

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/

The third most popular download at the time of this post is a program that turns your computer into a $1500 aquarium. It moves like the real thing!! Except that the real thing will only set you back about $100 and the remaining $1400 will buy you a lifetime supply of goldfish.

Well, either way, I won't get a virus, and that is what is important to me. My computer crashed twice in one year, and the second time, I lost everything I had done in Flash, which was a lot, and it pissed me off. If I don't get viruses, I don't get viruses, whether it is because of the lack of viruses themselves or the lack of mac users.
Retarded. Macs are still as susceptible to spyware, malware, XSS and macro viruses as every other computer. Do some research before listening to the salesguy who just wants some commission. They'll say anything to make a sale; I overheard one telling a customer that you don't want virtual memory because it's "pretend RAM anyways."

If Macs weren't vulnerable, why are you recommended to get anti-virus software? :lol You don't get viruses if you're not stupid about your computer.

[ziggytrix]

I did several years in graphics arts and have done quite a bit of design work. I did it all on a Mac. It sucked, because everytime you wanted to do something in Photoshop... oh no! Out of memory! Well, let's free up some memory then... oh no! The whole computer froze! Reboot it with that CTRL-Apple-whatever combination... nothing... hit the reset switch! There is no reset switch... hit the power button! It does nothing! The fucking power button does nothing! ARG!!! :blah


I've never had to free up memory and I'm working daily on 4+GB photoshop files. Ctrl-apple-del is slightly less useful than ctrl-alt-del, and the G4s and newer all have reset buttons on them, so I'm not sure what you're on about there.

Out of curiosity, are you talking about using OS X on a G3 when it first came out? OS 9 was rock solid stable, but maybe you had a unique gift for crashing it. If you're talking about how buggy OS X was at release, then you must be forgetting how rough the release of Win95 was. That shit goes on with any new OS architecture.



Yes, it is weak when you say that "it looks better on the Mac" after it's had 4+ EXTRA YEARS OF WORK DONE ON IT.


My bad, I didn't realize Myst was 5 years old when I first played it on a relative's Mac. Oh well. But my argument would still stand even if it looked EXACTLY THE SAME on a Mac, if that were what the buyer were interested in!


Oh, what's that? You want to exclude games from the argument? Too bad. Excluding games to try to prove your side of the argument is like having someone explain creationism but forbidding them to mention God.

Um, what? Games are not the ultimate use of computers for a LOT of people. In fact, very often when someone is asking for advice on a computer to buy, they'll say "I don't play many games". Gamers go for PCs. I have a PC for gaming, and I wouldn't ever buy a Mac for gaming. That's not to say you don't ahve some gaming options on a Mac.

World of Warcraft, for example, was developed simultaneously for Macs and PCs.


If I suddenly started hating Office, I could switch to any number of products that are available. What are you left with on a Mac? AppleWorks or the default text editor. :bestthread

How bout Open Office? Also, with OS X's FreeBSD base, you'll only see more and more of those wonderful open source Linux apps in OS X packages.



If Macs weren't vulnerable, why are you recommended to get anti-virus software? :lol You don't get viruses if you're not stupid about your computer.

It doesn't matter whether you're fucking crack whores or just your average college slut, you should still wear a condom. Get the analogy?


It all boils down to what you want to do with the machine, whether you have any past computer experience, and, yes, what the thing looks like (which is VERY important for someone who keeps it turned off most of the time!).

[AChimp]

Out of curiosity, are you talking about using OS X on a G3 when it first came out? OS 9 was rock solid stable, but maybe you had a unique gift for crashing it. If you're talking about how buggy OS X was at release, then you must be forgetting how rough the release of Win95 was. That shit goes on with any new OS architecture.
OS9 was a turd of an OS. We had frequent lock-ups that required us to yank the power cord. You couldn't even think of running Photoshop and Quark XPress at the same time on most days. Of course, my teacher was a big Mac fan and refused to admit that the computers fucking blew, even when they kept crashing non-stop for him, too. I guess looking at your frozen desktop is somehow different than seeing a blue screen. :rolleyes

My bad, I didn't realize Myst was 5 years old when I first played it on a relative's Mac. Oh well. But my argument would still stand even if it looked EXACTLY THE SAME on a Mac, if that were what the buyer were interested in!
You're hurting your IT credibility by having not heard of Myst until 5 years after it came out. :(

BTW, that game was also out for Macs originally (it was made on Macs in something similar to Hyperstudio), and what you played was the upgraded 32-bit version that was released so it would work in Win98 (and to upgrade the 256 colour graphics).

It all boils down to what you want to do with the machine, whether you have any past computer experience, and, yes, what the thing looks like (which is VERY important for someone who keeps it turned off most of the time!).
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[ziggytrix]

OS9 was a turd of an OS. We had frequent lock-ups that required us to yank the power cord.

I really wouldn't know other than hearsay. Other than one rediculously easy college course and playing games on other people's Macs, I was a PC guy.

I've only been working on Macs for about a year now, and while I initially despised everything about them, I've learned a lot about them and they really aren't bad. I still prefer PCs, but I acknowledge that it's a personal preference and don't try to tell everyone who likes Macs that they're stupid art fags.


You're hurting your IT credibility by having not heard of Myst until 5 years after it came out. :(

BTW, that game was also out for Macs originally (it was made on Macs in something similar to Hyperstudio), and what you played was the upgraded 32-bit version that was released so it would work in Win98 (and to upgrade the 256 colour graphics).


Well I thought it was out on Macs first, but gamefaqs listed the Mac release date as five years later than the PC release. But what you're saying jives more with what I remember. The main thing I remember being different was that when you turned 90 degrees, on the Mac it swiveled over, and on the PC it just redrew the screen facing to your left or whatever. Fuck man, this was more than 10 years ago, I don't really remember or fucking care for that matter, beacuse I had a PC for gaming back then, and I have a PC for gaming now. If I didn't game, or if the only game I played was available on a Mac, I wouldn't have a system preference.



On the mouse tangent, you don't have to use a one-button mouse on a Mac. My workstation as the studio has a four-button trackball, of which I only really use 2. Anything that can be done with a right-click in a PC environment can be done with a control-click in a Mac environment, and guess what my 2nd button is bound to! :O

[Immortal Goat]

Just to update you guys, I have decided against the iBook. I am now getting a 15 inch Powerbook. Yes, I know it is more expensive, but I have already saved up most of the money, and frankly, Chimp's arguments didn't sway me. No offense, but I have used the exact laptop I am buying and I think it runs like a dream. Plus, I can get Flash MX 2004 for it for $99.00 with the student discount. Can't beat that. :)