Calling Christmas by Its Name

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Hey, this argument never gets old! :lol2



http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/ChristmasCountdown/story?id=1394841

Calling Christmas by Its Name

People Are Saying 'Happy Holidays' Instead of Merry Christmas

Dec. 11, 2005 — - Happy holidays! Merry Christmas!

They may sound like simple salutations, but they have become opposing battle cries in a wintry culture war -- with conservative Christian groups going up against retailers, municipalities and even the White House.

If you receive a card from President and Mrs. Bush this season, you will find the first dogs sitting in snow, a scripture from the book of Psalms and "Best wishes for a holiday season of hope and happiness."

And to some, that is pure blasphemy, because nowhere does it mention the word "Christmas."

"When I got the card from President Bush, it didn't mean that much to me," said Catholic League president Bill Donohue. "I figured that's what most presidents did. Then I found that I was wrong. Everybody from F.D.R. to Bush's father had at least one card every year while they were in office that said Merry Christmas."

The so-called "war for Christmas" is actually thousands of years old because 'tis the season of mixed messages.

Evergreen trees, candles and gift-giving were all part of a pagan winter ritual hundreds of years before Jesus was even born. The Christ child and St. Nicholas joined party in the 4th century. Jewish Hanukah and African Kwanzaa emerged in America in the 20th.


Political Furors
But any effort to be all-inclusive by referring to the "holidays" has riled those anxious to keep Christ at the center of the season and even sparked political battles.

A spruce on Capitol Hill is a Christmas tree once again, losing its "holiday" title thanks to the effort of Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, R-Ill.

After Target opted for generic holiday advertising, a conservative Christian group threatened the retailer with a boycott 700,000 strong. Target's new campaign now includes the word "Christmas."

An Ohio couple says they've sold almost 15,000 "Just say Merry Christmas" bracelets.

Donohue said he wants to know why people insist on "neutering" the holidays.

"Elvis didn't sing about 'Blue Holiday,' " he said. "Nobody says 'I'll be home for the holiday.' It's, 'I'll be home for Christmas.' If you can't say Christmas at Christmas time, when 85 percent of the population is Christian and 96 percent of the population celebrates Christmas, something's wrong."

In Phoenix, the sheriff has ordered Christmas music to play throughout the county jail all day long -- hymns and carols -- and for agnostics he says he'll mix in the singing Chipmunks.

"We can't say 'Merry Christmas' in the U.S., in the world anymore," said Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Ariz. "What are we coming to? I am saying it. I am singing it. It's gonna be in this jail, and that's the way the ball bounces."


'Political Correctness Run Amok'
Perhaps people who are offended by the use of the Christmas have "drunk too much from the multicultural well" and are victims of "political correctness run amok," said Donohue.

There are two ways to deal with the problem, he added.

"You can educate the people that object to 'merry Christmas,' or you can veto the use of the term," he said. "I want to educate the bigots."

A lot of people who are afraid to say merry Christmas are actually Christians who don't want to offend people, Donohue said.

"On Thursday, I'm going to be with Jackie Mason and we're going to take a Hummer, go down Fifth Avenue and have press conference about Jews saying, 'It's okay to say merry Christmas. All my Jewish friends say it's okay to say merry Christmas.' "

But for those who are still worried about offending people, Donohue has a solution.

"I think we can say, 'Merry Christmas and have a happy New Year,' " he said. "That covers it both."

Copyright © 2005 ABC News Internet Ventures

[sadie]

this is so stupid. saying "happy holidays" doesn't dis christmas; it merely incorporates all religions' holidays, rather than focus on just the christian one. and, of course, that's the problem for people. they don't want to include other religions because all of those followers are GOING TO HELL.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Yeah, it's ridiculous. First of all, I don't actually know anybody who gets offended if you say Merry Christmas. Even my Jewish friends and co-workers, they have been so inundated with it all of their lives, it just sort of rolls off of them now. They stopped caring, if they ever did.

Secondly, why not have one phrase that covers everything? I think this story is less about the argument, and more about the people who partake in it.

Bill Donohue and the Catholic League. :(

[ziggytrix]

Happy Yuletide!

[Immortal Goat]

I just find it hilarious that all these people are defending a holiday that is essentially a renamed Pagan Sabbat, which, incidentally, is called Yule. This article had it pinned when they said that the trees and gift giving were pagan, but so are the "yule log", the colors, and even miseltoe for God's sake. Oh, and ya know how Christians hate sex? Miseltoe was actually used to represent fertility because the juice of the berries looks like semen.

[Emu]

Personally, I think this argument really misses the point. People are getting pissed because they feel like somehow this is cheapening the value of Christmas just because Sears won't write the name of the holiday on their banners, but they ignore/embrace/condone the blatant commercialism and material greed that really IS cheapening the spirit of the holiday.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

I think that's a fair point Emu, but retailers need to cast a wide net....like Jesus! Eh!?

And Christians don't hate sex. They are freaks.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

btw, best quote ever:

"We can't say 'Merry Christmas' in the U.S., in the world anymore," said Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Ariz. "What are we coming to? I am saying it. I am singing it. It's gonna be in this jail, and that's the way the ball bounces."

YA HEAR THAT, ATHEISTS!? THAT IS HOW THE FUCKIN' BALL BOUNCES!!

[Cosmo Electrolux]

I just don't understand why this is rearing it's head now. I've heard "Happy Holiday's" all of my life, now it's become the "War on Christmas"...next they'll be bitching because the stores have removed all religious symbols from the easter displays and replaced them with chocolate rabbits and marshmallow chickens.... :|

[Sethomas]

Yeah! I want my kids' pictures taken with the Good Friday Bloody Fucking Corpse!

[Royal Tenenbaum]

Merry Pagan Winter Ritual!

[El Blanco]

Ya, the Catholic League really doesn't have other issues to worry about.

And considering what other things retailers have done to degrade, cheapen and insult their customers during the season, this bullshit really doesn't bug me too much. Hell, outside of Home Depot, I don't hink I go to any major retailers anymore. Thank Nonspeciffic Religious Figure for the internet.

[Abcdxxxx]

If you don't let the Christians have Christmas they're going to take away all the Queer peoples bank loans. Everyone needs to back up off each others lawns.

On behalf of Jews everywhere, I'd just like to say we love your Christmas cookies, and a good Christmas dinner. We also like it when you climb up on your rooftops in cold weather and string up those dime store lights. The Carolling...not so much.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

And apparently white elephant/Secret Santa-themed holiday parties. :/

[Supafly345]

I prefer to say merry christmas, because I say "happy thanksgiving" before thanksgiving, and I say "have a good newyear" before newyears. And most other people do too.

Most people say happy holidays JUST for christmas, and it is does sound a little anti christian. I don't care either way, I just don't like companies preventing their employees from saying "merry christmas." That is much more offending I think than hearing it.

[ScruU2wice]

Yeah, it's ridiculous. First of all, I don't actually know anybody who gets offended if you say Merry Christmas.

I'm gonna play devils advocate here. I grew up not really celebrating christmas, and little kids thought it was horrible that I didn't get to celebrate christmas and that I couldn't eat pork. It was really embarrassing because no one in the entire fucking world knows what Eid is. It was a minor annoyance, just because you got the "MY RELIGION IS BETTER THAN YOURS" vibe. It's still kinda awkward when people go on and on to asking about what I'm gonna do for christmas and if I bought all my presents and how tall my christmas tree is. I just kinda go off about how I found some great deals and stuff.

That being said, they are two words and christmas has almost been degenerated to a completely secular holiday, so saying it just kinda breaks it down a bit more, in my opinion

I really just want to wish everyone a happy hannakuh and ask why when people get mad at me, but that would lead to oodles of boycotts

[CaptainBubba]

My family is athiest and always has been and we celebrate Christmas. Kids at school used to get mad at me and say I wasn't allowed to celebrate Christmas if I didn't believe in Jesus and they said I would go to hell for it. Then I would say I didn't believe in hell and they would go, "youll just rot in the ground then" and I would go "yea pretty much".

I <3 Christmas you whiny stupid motherfuckers. Get over it. Its a fun time of year when families can get together and people are nice. Seriously. Come on.

[SuperChicken]

Ugh, the politically correct nauseate me.

Take me for example - I'm an Asian Australian whose parents were Buddhists, my adoptive (yes im adopted) parents either Christian backgrounds or are athiests, I myself don't believe in a particular religion... but I don't feel offended by the word "Christmas". And why should I? Christmas never had any symbolic importance to me, but that's no reason not to celebrate it. It's like going to the birthday party of someone you don't know very well and someone screaming, "Hey man, you don't BELIEVE in the birthday!" Uhhh I did have a point to that analogy but bottom line...

I want an mp3 player for Christmas.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

Thank Nonspeciffic Religious Figure for the internet.

:lol

[KevinTheOmnivore]

That being said, they are two words and christmas has almost been degenerated to a completely secular holiday, so saying it just kinda breaks it down a bit more, in my opinion

Right, and I think this is part of the reason you get such a Christian backlash over "happy holidays." They would argue that they've had to battle Santa for years now. And we should all know, there's no defeating Santa. He brings toys and candy and has happy little elves and reindeer. Christians have a kid born in a manger with some murr. Santa will win that battle every time.

So now you can't even say Christmas, thus putting them at another disadvantage. Point, Klause.

Before ya know it, we're talking lions. And lions eat Christians, except the one in Narnia, who is actually Jesus.

[LeavesTeethMarks]

I present the following evidence:

1. Channukah isn't really one of the high holy days of Judaism. It's also not a national holiday. I would argue that Christmas and Easter are the paramount Christian holidays.

2. There really aren't any other significant religion holidays around this time. Kwanzaa? Not even a religion holiday and anyone who refers to Kwanzaa as one of the reasons they say "happy holidays" or whatever, is just exposing what an uninformed douche they really are because it does not exclude celebrating Christmas in any way. Oh and "winter solstice"? Who gives a fuck.

3. About 80% of this country is Christian (if my memory serves), and it was founded by Christians, and the holiday time is holiday time BECAUSE of Christmas.

It should be Merry Christmas and the Christmas Holiday and the Christmas Season and they should rename December, Christmas Month.

Anyway that's just what I think. Feel free to argue or insult me or go fuck yourself if you want.

[ziggytrix]

Except Jesus was most likely not born on December 25th. That day was specifically picked to coincide with Roman pagan festivities.

It's a fake holiday.

So let's all just sing!

To the tune of "You’re Having a Birthday" by the Beatles:

It's Jesus's Birthday
It's Chanukah too yeah
It's Jesus's Birthday
So have a happy Yule tide
I'm glad it's His birthday
Happy Birthday Jesus

Yes, were going to a Christmas party
Yes, were going to a Christmas party
Yes, were going to a Christmas party

Holiday
I would like some presents
Holiday
See my uncles and aunts
Holiday
Get some socks and some pants-really tight pants

It's Jesus's Birthday
It's Chanukah too yeah
It's Jesus's Birthday

We'll break some bread and drink wine
I'm glad that it's Christmas
Happy Christmas to You

[LeavesTeethMarks]

It's not a "fake holiday". The date isn't necessarily even relevent, it's the event that we celebrate.

[xbxDaniel]

The fact that you care is why Ziggytrix wins.

[Zebra 3]

What I find a little odd is that Americans are supposed to be more religious as compared to Canadians yet there's isn't much so called anti-Christmas sentiment in Canada.

[maggiekarp]

It's "Happy Holidays" No one is being left out, and no one is held superior.

Weren't most of the founding fathers Jewish or Deist?

[Abcdxxxx]

I present the following evidence:

1. Channukah isn't really one of the high holy days of Judaism. It's also not a national holiday. I would argue that Christmas and Easter are the paramount Christian holidays.


GREAT argument.
....that is if you're also suggesting T'bishvat, Sukkot, Pesach, Yom Kippur, and Rosh Hashana should ALL be national holidays. They are ALL paramount, as is Channuka for it's political implications on the Jewish diaspora. Cruxifications effected Jews, after all.

[ScruU2wice]

Yeah I think saying Merry Christmas just because the majority of people in america are christian and or it has heavy christian roots is the exact reason why people don't like it.

:/

[sadie]

ziggy made me lol, beatles-style.

[ziggytrix]

(in fairness to Bob Rivers, I did not write that parody)

[KevinTheOmnivore]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-12-18-gunn_x.htm


A fictional 'war on Christmas'

By T. Jeremy Gunn

Last December, a group called Public Advocate for the United States (which claims to defend America's traditional family values) sent some Christmas carolers over to sing in front of the ACLU offices in Washington.
Carrying signs reading "Merry Christmas" and "Please Don't Sue Us!" — they also seem to have carried with them some rather strange imaginings about an assault on Christmas. (Related: Law doesn't mandate a secular Christmas | The year's dust-ups)

I don't know what the carolers thought might happen.

To tell the truth, the ACLU is not often serenaded by Christmas carolers. So it was with some excitement that the staff went outside and joined in the singing. They brought with them cookies and warm drinks to share. One staff member, who is an ordained Baptist minister, did a little witnessing about his faith to some astonished proponents of family values.

Fox News did broadcast the event (as a part of its "war against Christmas" campaign). Although the visiting singers were shown, the cameras failed to include any footage showing that everyone had participated in the caroling. Rather than reporting the facts, the anchor preferred the propaganda: "We believe the ACLU heard the message loud and clear, but they don't care."

The battle cries

This year, several groups are once again introducing the Christmas season with some heated and misleading military rhetoric. Some declare, "There is a war against Christmas!" One group launched a "Friend or Foe Christmas Campaign." One particularly bizarre charge is that there is "a thorough and virulent anti-Christmas campaign." Without a shred of evidence, they pretend that there is an effort afoot to remove "God" from the Declaration of Independence. Two groups even announced that they have assembled hundreds of lawyers to protect Christmas against this imaginary threat.

Make no mistake about it. These warrior-lawyers are not asking us to love our neighbors (and certainly not our enemies), nor to turn the other cheek, nor to be peacemakers, nor to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

Nor is this a joyful effort to encourage the Christmas spirit in the millions of places where it can be promoted without any conflict: in people's hearts, in their homes, with families, in churches, or with friend and neighbors.

No, this is a campaign of military-infused rhetoric demanding that everyone accept one politically correct version of "Christmas."

For example, this year in Boston — the same city where Puritans once prohibited the pagan-inspired "Christmas tree" — the new Puritans now demand that the city call its evergreen spruce a "Christmas tree," and they threatened a lawsuit if the city didn't comply.

Another group charges that there is a "campaign of fear, intimidation, and disinformation" against seasonal symbols in Raleigh, N.C. — and they offer to provide a defense for the city against any threatened lawsuit. Yet they give no evidence that anyone is threatening a lawsuit. Before accusing others of engaging in "disinformation," perhaps these Christmas warriors should first take a look in the mirror.

Why this desire to manufacture controversy — about Christmas?

Guidelines already exist

Rather than engaging in propaganda about a "war on Christmas," all who want to promote the spirit of Christmas should remember a couple of simple guidelines.

First, Christmas displays — including nativity scenes — are perfectly acceptable at homes and churches. This religious expression is a valued and protected part of the First Amendment rights guaranteed to all citizens.

Second, governments should not be in the business of endorsing religious displays. Religion does best when government stays out of the business of deciding which holidays and religions to promote. Religion belongs where it prospers best: with individuals, families and religious communities.

And finally, as a seasonal greeting to all Christians: Merry Christmas from the ACLU! And for believers in all other traditions: Thank you for enriching our world!

T. Jeremy Gunn is director of the ACLU Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief.

[ziggytrix]

This is just another symptom of an absurd, but growing persecution complex among Christians in the US.

As I see it, there are two factors. The first is a large number of well-meaning people who don't see why there can't be more Christian representation in the government of a predominantly Christian and democratic nation. The second factor is demogogues who seek to profit (financially or politically) from those well-meaning people.

I don't profess to know which is which, but I firmly believe that the second exists and is responsible for making a bigger issue out of things like "the War on Christmas" than any otherwise reasonable person would believe.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

The second are using a technique that ALL political groups use. Liberal groups, like MoveOn.org and stuff, do it all of the time as well.

Create a panic, make it seem real, rally people around it, ask them to donate to your cause. It happened unfortunately around Terri Schiavo, too.

[ziggytrix]

That's why demagogues should be skinned alive.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Boiled with their own pudding, and buried with a stake of holly!

[Immortal Goat]

Through their hearts, no doubt. :posh

[Marine]

this thread almost sound as "freedomfries"


Anyway go' jul

[LadyMage]

not this again, you know what, fuck both how about seasons greetings, there that covers everything even the friggin winter! Just say what you want people, lord *shakes head and walks away*

[Cosmo Electrolux]

It's not a "fake holiday". The date isn't necessarily even relevent, it's the event that we celebrate.

an even that probably never happened. This myth has been told and re-told for thousands of years with several different "saviours"....not to mention that the holiday was celebrated in Rome and among the Germanic peoples long before it became Jesus' birthday. If you want to celebrate the birth of your saviour by running up a VISA bill and eating ham, go for it. Just don't force this stupid crap on everyone else....

[kahljorn]

We should start picking what pointless thing to be outraged about for January. It's up for grabs, you guys, but for february I call leap year prejudice. I mean, what did Febuary ever do to be skipped like that? The shortest month of the year. That's such bullshit. This is obviously italian discrimination and as a proud lover of italian food I won't have it anymore and also hating february is what makes the world a dirty place I'm sick of all of you fuck off and die.

[LadyMage]

We should start picking what pointless thing to be outraged about for January. It's up for grabs, you guys, but for february I call leap year prejudice. I mean, what did Febuary ever do to be skipped like that? The shortest month of the year. That's such bullshit. This is obviously italian discrimination and as a proud lover of italian food I won't have it anymore and also hating february is what makes the world a dirty place I'm sick of all of you fuck off and die.

*falls over laughing* yeah and something Irish for march might be good too. How about it being considered the month to drink and women's month, does that mean all women are drunk and all Irish are drunk, if so as a partially Irish woman I am outraged.

[sadie]

isn't february black history month?

[KevinTheOmnivore]

*reads over the posts but refrains from posting a response*

[kahljorn]

"isn't february black history month?"

Fuck off you bigoted hussy.

[ItalianStereotype]

you're the moderator for a reason, kev.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

If you can't explain precisely what you were doing at the time of your post, preferably using an "*", then please ban yourself. >:

[KevinTheOmnivore]

This myth has been told and re-told for thousands of years with several different "saviours"....not to mention that the holiday was celebrated in Rome and among the Germanic peoples long before it became Jesus' birthday. If you want to celebrate the birth of your saviour by running up a VISA bill and eating ham, go for it. Just don't force this stupid crap on everyone else....

[kahljorn]

*Breaking between cleaning dishes and drinking tea with a penchant to kill*

[sadie]

as above, so below.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

This myth has been told and re-told for thousands of years with several different "saviours"....not to mention that the holiday was celebrated in Rome and among the Germanic peoples long before it became Jesus' birthday. If you want to celebrate the birth of your saviour by running up a VISA bill and eating ham, go for it. Just don't force this stupid crap on everyone else....

Sorry Kevin, No tree...buys gifts for his Children....year round. I tell the people that come into my classes "Happy Holidays", I told a nosey lady at Wal Mart to have a "Jolly Diwali", I don't wear a Santa hat or participate in any religious functions at this time of year or any other.

...and you don't know me.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

...and you don't know me.

Oh, lighten up. And stop thinking everybody wearing a cross is out to get you.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

[Cosmo Electrolux]

Meh....prove they're not....

[LadyMage]

...and you don't know me.

Oh, lighten up. And stop thinking everybody wearing a cross is out to get you.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

dispite the coldness of that comments, the point is valid, lighten up people, and no not everyone wearing a cross is out to get you, I sometimes wear a big wooden one to look gothic or like a vampire hunter for halloween and I am not out to get anyone.

SEASONS GREETINGS

[ziggytrix]

good grief

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Of all the LadyMages in the world, you're the LadyMageiest.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

...and you don't know me.

Oh, lighten up. And stop thinking everybody wearing a cross is out to get you.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

dispite the coldness of that comments, the point is valid, lighten up people, and no not everyone wearing a cross is out to get you, I sometimes wear a big wooden one to look gothic or like a vampire hunter for halloween and I am not out to get anyone.

SEASONS GREETINGS

um....okay?

[Miss Modular]

This whole arguement is a red herring. Both sides of the arguement have been WAY OVERBLOWN. That is all.

[neojester12]

As pictures of the War on Christmas danced in their heads.


Oh God, they're throwing the menorah! Duck! aw, man, that was close. Wait. Matthew? MATTHEEEWWWWWWW!!!!!*sobs*

[LadyMage]

Of all the LadyMages in the world, you're the LadyMageiest.

? *is compleletly confused now* Ladymageiest ok thanks


and cosmo I was teasing both you and kevin, and assuring you that no one is out to get you (accept bill oriley :p)

[sadie]

jesus. shut up.

[Abcdxxxx]

Will one of you good Christians pour me some fucking egg nog already. I prefer the Southern Comfort rebranded kind, thanks.

Did I mention the Harry & David gift basket I got this year?

[Cosmo Electrolux]

Of all the LadyMages in the world, you're the LadyMageiest.

? *is compleletly confused now* Ladymageiest ok thanks


and cosmo I was teasing both you and kevin, and assuring you that no one is out to get you (accept bill oriley :p)

I know....I'm not paranoid...just bored. Oh, and Bill O' Reilly isn't out to get me.....for the reasons you think anyway. He keeps leaving pornographinc messages on my voice mail....something about a pickle tickle dance or something.....

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Thread backups!

[LadyMage]

Of all the LadyMages in the world, you're the LadyMageiest.

? *is compleletly confused now* Ladymageiest ok thanks


and cosmo I was teasing both you and kevin, and assuring you that no one is out to get you (accept bill oriley :p)

I know....I'm not paranoid...just bored. Oh, and Bill O' Reilly isn't out to get me.....for the reasons you think anyway. He keeps leaving pornographinc messages on my voice mail....something about a pickle ticke dance or something.....

ewwww I would pefer my way thanks ugh and yeah boredom makes me do wierd things to, like join this forum

[ziggytrix]

Of all the LadyMages in the world, you're the LadyMageiest.

? *is compleletly confused now* Ladymageiest ok thanks


and cosmo I was teasing both you and kevin, and assuring you that no one is out to get you (accept bill oriley :p)

I know....I'm not paranoid...just bored. Oh, and Bill O' Reilly isn't out to get me.....for the reasons you think anyway. He keeps leaving pornographinc messages on my voice mail....something about a pickle ticke dance or something.....

ewwww I would pefer my way thanks ugh and yeah boredom makes me do wierd things to, like join this forum

i can tell

[Cosmo Electrolux]

Of all the LadyMages in the world, you're the LadyMageiest.

? *is compleletly confused now* Ladymageiest ok thanks


and cosmo I was teasing both you and kevin, and assuring you that no one is out to get you (accept bill oriley :p)

I know....I'm not paranoid...just bored. Oh, and Bill O' Reilly isn't out to get me.....for the reasons you think anyway. He keeps leaving pornographinc messages on my voice mail....something about a pickle ticke dance or something.....

ewwww I would pefer my way thanks ugh and yeah boredom makes me do wierd things to, like join this forum

by the way, Welcome...your beatdown will commence shortly.

[Womti]

I'm atheist so merry xmas :blah

[Cosmo Electrolux]

You're also a douchbag, so "Merry Massengill".....

[kahljorn]

I remember when I was a kid if I said "Xmas" or spelled it "Xmas" my parents would get angry because apparantly it was a blasphemy against God and the Holy english language.

[ziggytrix]

and to think, it's actually a reference to the Greek letter chi, the first letter of the word "Christ" in that language.

[kahljorn]

Yes, well, nobody ever said christians are all linguists, just that they find it easy to get defensive about their religion for some reason-- and for some reason everyone else finds it easy to be offended by christians. Thank God for america's indoctrination of free-thought.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

Yes, well, nobody ever said christians are all linguists, just that they find it easy to get defensive about their religion for some reason-- and for some reason everyone else finds it easy to be offended by christians. Thank God for america's indoctrination of free-thought.

they certainly get defensive in my part of the country....they lash out at "idolators" and "false prophets", but if question them, you're a God hater or a christian basher....they claim to be the victims of harassment and yet they are the very ones doing the harassing. I love this place.... :|

[KevinTheOmnivore]

http://www.theblackrepublican.net/images/Jesus%20in%20manger%20with%20Mary.jpg

[Cosmo Electrolux]

http://students.washington.edu/bristolg/images/fark/jesusape.jpg

[sadie]

wait. achimp is jesus?!

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Folks, Jesus is glowing in my picture....GLOWING! Doesn't that count for anything!???

[Cosmo Electrolux]

http://prodtn.cafepress.com/0/3957820_F_tn.jpg


that Jesus is glowing too!!!!

[KevinTheOmnivore]

That card is amazing.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

I found it in the gift shop at Landover Baptist Church...they have some amazing stuff there.

[Marc Summers]

I'm guessing you're trying to bait Jonathan Clement over here...

"THOSE BASTARDS AT LANDOVER BAPTIST ARE FAKES"

[Cosmo Electrolux]

no, I'm not.

[Zebra 3]

http://students.washington.edu/bristolg/images/fark/jesusape.jpg
Thanks for the Escape from the Planet of the Apes flashback and Merry Christmas!

[kahljorn]

So come on guys what's with people calling new years new years I mean it's not like it's really new or anything it's basically the same as the old one it's like calling your car new because you parked it in the driveway overnight. I'm sick of this shit, you're all controlled by calendars and time.

[Womti]

they call it 'new years' because its the only holiday where drinking and parading around in obnoxiously shiny outfits becomes acceptible..... aside from mardi gras and just about every day in provincetown, that is.

[Supafly345]

This thread makes me offended... and delighted!