NY Times Uses Fake Photo

[Kulturkampf]

The New York Times used a fake photograph in their report on the Pakistani missile attack, being that in order to convey the truth, it is best to... use false photos to make it more shocking. (http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5163)

Stunning journalism skills.

I think the Conservative press should have used a fake photo of Pres. Clinton getting a blowjob from Monica Lewinsky; I suggest that either Veronica Brazil or Jenna Jameson be the stand-in for Monica, and Peter North the stand-in for Pres. Clinton.

New York Times notes in the correction:
"Correction appended Jan. 17, 2006: A caption Saturday on NYTimes.com with a photograph of damage from a U.S. airstrike in Pakistan misidentified an item in the photograph. Agence France-Presse, the agency that provided the photograph, later changed the caption to report that the item appears to be an unexploded artillery shell, not a piece of a missile from Friday's attack." (http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/01/14/international/worldspecial/14cnd-afghan.ready.html)

Genius! An unexploded artillery shell is mistaken for a missile, and the French agency they got it from lied blatantly, claiming it was a remainder of the missile. Apparently the notes got screwed up somewhere...

Or there was an attempt to make US troops look bad.

The liberal press is not your friend.

[Pharaoh]

It's only to be expected from them. The liberal press is not your friend, unless you're a liberal.
Never trust a hippie.

[Geggy]

Who took that picture? It looks like a set up to me...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_the_Dead_Cow

:confused

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Yes, this is clearly in line with the liberal media's agenda.

Step 1: Force French press agency to lie about photo
Step 2: Publish said photo
Step 3: Catch mistake
Step 4: Print correction of said mistake, thus making themselves look foolish

Those bastards. Who do those hippie "tossers" think they are????

[mburbank]

This is just like that time the NYT printed those fake Judith Miller stories about Iraq having WMD. Say! You're right! Maybe the liberal press ISN'T my friend!



Or maybe it's more like the time TV guide put Oprahs body on Anne Margarets head.

[ItalianStereotype]

I think geggy is just copy and pasting now.

[ziggytrix]

caption and photoshop forum! :lol

[kahljorn]

Yea it's almost as bad as acting on false information-- wasn't that from the french as well? "We know there's yellow cake, we have the paper right here!". Good ol' conservatives.

Both parties are full of piece of shit people who will do anything to "Stop" the other. What's the surprise... you act like human desperation is some new development of the 21st century. ONLY SINCE 2003 HAS THE EVIL LIBERAL PARTY DONE CRIMES LIKE THIS ONE.
Both parties suck ;(

[Ant10708]

yeah both parties do suck but that doesn't have much to do with conservatives and liberals since you don't have to be one or the other to be in one of the two retarded political parties.

[kahljorn]

what the fuck does that even mean? Seriously.

[ziggytrix]

It means the terms liberal and Democrat are not interchangable, and neither are the terms conservative and Rebuplican.

[kahljorn]

Great, now I feel enlightened.

[Kulturkampf]

Yes, this is clearly in line with the liberal media's agenda.

Step 1: Force French press agency to lie about photo
Step 2: Publish said photo
Step 3: Catch mistake
Step 4: Print correction of said mistake, thus making themselves look foolish

Those bastards. Who do those hippie "tossers" think they are????

No, more like:

French try to feed shocking photography of events as fact;

Someone who knows ANYTHING about ordinance sees a large artillery round and laughs when they say it is an unexploded part of the missile;

NY Times is forced to print a retraction because it is so obvious to anyone who has ever been around munitions.

But I would not expect a liberal to have served in the military and have any concept of what different rounds look like, or to have any clue about ordinance. I am no expert but it is kind of cute that an entirely in-tact artillery round is being passed off as an unexploded part of a missile -- I personally laughed at the photo. I am no Red Legs (again, I would not expct a liberal to be familiar with any military slang) but I can tell the difference between an artillery round and a missile (in most obvious cases such as this).

You think that they would have been able to pass that off for long?

Somewhere a 13B would have seen the photo and passed it around to his soldiers laughing at the mistake, sending a little email to the journalists saying: "Are you for real?"

But! Again, I would not expect a liberal to know what a 13B is, or to believe that anyone is capable of objective analysis of the media.

Liberals are not notorious for their military service, discipline, or dedication to ... anything (?!?).

[kahljorn]

"I am no Red Legs (again, I would not expct a liberal to be familiar with any military slang) but I can tell the difference between an artillery round and a missile (in most obvious cases such as this). "

You're one of those losers who studies up on the military and other shit, joins the jrotc and becomes the "Nerd you dont want to fuck with" then adopts racist cuntley views to support that stereotype. I've known tons of people like you and I find it hilarious. You're so wise and cool. LETS GO PLAY PAINT BALL.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

LETS GO PLAY PAINT BALL.


:lol

[ziggytrix]

But I would not expect a liberal to have served in the military and have any concept of what different rounds look like

I wouldn't expect anyone in the press (liberal OR conservative) to have military experience. I wouldn't be suprised if someone in the press did. But they wouldn't necessarily be an editor. Still, the bulk of the blame falls on Agence France-Presse for this mistake.

It's strange that you wanna start screaming about liberal press conspiracies when the picture was still of undetonated US munition in an area we blew the fuck up. If that "makes US troops look bad" then, uh, I dunno what to say but, "grow a pair, you sissy - war never was pretty." Our guys aren't exactly in the business of handing out teddy bears and cupcakes.

So what would a good conservative press do? Never ever EVER show anything that might hurt the poor widdle voters feewings? How bout that picture of the kid beating Saddam's statue head with his shoe! That was great! Why can't they just show that clip anytime we hear about anything in the Middle East?! That would be swell!

It's so tiresome that every time someone sees something they don't like in the media they have to start screaming about liberal or conservative bias (yeah that includes my whining about NEWSCorp, but I never said I wasn't a big fuckin hypocrite). You fucking retards need to get it through your thick skulls that overwhelming bias in the media is a capitalist bias, and would you like to buy a front page ad, sir? I can get you one at 30% off the regular price!

[Kulturkampf]

"I am no Red Legs (again, I would not expct a liberal to be familiar with any military slang) but I can tell the difference between an artillery round and a missile (in most obvious cases such as this). "

You're one of those losers who studies up on the military and other shit, joins the jrotc and becomes the "Nerd you dont want to fuck with" then adopts racist cuntley views to support that stereotype. I've known tons of people like you and I find it hilarious. You're so wise and cool. LETS GO PLAY PAINT BALL.

No, not really. I was never a nerd. I was a punk rocker throughout highschool, and still am.

And by punk rock, I do not mean anything after 1995 unless it is copying the style between 1977-1995.

But, if you cannot confront the points, whatever.

Call me a racist all you want. I'll call you a Communist cunt.

[Kulturkampf]

But I would not expect a liberal to have served in the military and have any concept of what different rounds look like

I wouldn't expect anyone in the press (liberal OR conservative) to have military experience. I wouldn't be suprised if someone in the press did. But they wouldn't necessarily be an editor. Still, the bulk of the blame falls on Agence France-Presse for this mistake.

It's strange that you wanna start screaming about liberal press conspiracies when the picture was still of undetonated US munition in an area we blew the fuck up. If that "makes US troops look bad" then, uh, I dunno what to say but, "grow a pair, you sissy - war never was pretty." Our guys aren't exactly in the business of handing out teddy bears and cupcakes.

How is it US munitions? Do you see 'US' on it anywhere? I see a really old looking, OD Green painted shell sitting there that is easily identifiable as artillery round. I am no expert on it, but it could easily be Russian. Who knows?

So what would a good conservative press do? Never ever EVER show anything that might hurt the poor widdle voters feewings? How bout that picture of the kid beating Saddam's statue head with his shoe! That was great! Why can't they just show that clip anytime we hear about anything in the Middle East?! That would be swell!

No, not the point at all; but ideally, we wouldn't find hilariously incorrect photographs and try to pass them off as truth.

It's so tiresome that every time someone sees something they don't like in the media they have to start screaming about liberal or conservative bias (yeah that includes my whining about NEWSCorp, but I never said I wasn't a big fuckin hypocrite). You fucking retards need to get it through your thick skulls that overwhelming bias in the media is a capitalist bias, and would you like to buy a front page ad, sir? I can get you one at 30% off the regular price!

A Capitalist bias?

Does it apply to nationally subsidized bits like BBC, a very famous media outlet?

Journalism is a job that attracts leftists.

[Marc Summers]

I'll call you a Communist cunt.

Do you keep a black list of people with your ammunition? Those are fun! I hope one day you can achieve your dream of killing everyone who doesn't think like you, because ooh people who don't think like me are just awful! I call them names and classify them in groups they would just so obviously take offense to, but it doesn't bother them! That makes me even angrier until I start talking with my good friend Jack Daniels and then he tucks me into bed and serves me breakfast.

[Jeanette X]

No, not really. I was never a nerd. I was a punk rocker throughout highschool, and still am.

And by punk rock, I do not mean anything after 1995 unless it is copying the style between 1977-1995.

But, if you cannot confront the points, whatever.

Call me a racist all you want. I'll call you a Communist cunt.

http://fuzzyslogic.com/blerk/internet_tough_guy_mag.jpg

[ScruU2wice]

The New York Times has now corrected the caption. But the correction misspells “ordnance” as “ordinance.”

LOL :(

[mburbank]

http://p1.xanga.com/1a/a3/1aa3855bccb3833ac2e15df36ad69dd587700.jpg
I was a Punk Rocker throughout my highschooling and still practice it!
http://p1.xanga.com/1a/a3/1aa3855bccb3833ac2e15df36ad69dd587700.jpg
French try to feed shocking photography of events as fact even as most french schoolchilds enage the speaking of English with more better than I am able to
http://p1.xanga.com/1a/a3/1aa3855bccb3833ac2e15df36ad69dd587700.jpg
I would not expect a liberal like George MccGovern or John Kerry to have served in the military and have any concept of what different rounds look like, or to have any clue about ordinance. I would much have a preference more for conservative combat experts in military ordinance types like George W bush or President Chenney or Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rice, or any of the other brave militariants currently servicing our government!
http://p1.xanga.com/1a/a3/1aa3855bccb3833ac2e15df36ad69dd587700.jpg
Do you like my punk dance look? Soon it will have the enhancements of face tatooing on and also the hands!
http://p1.xanga.com/1a/a3/1aa3855bccb3833ac2e15df36ad69dd587700.jpg
It is clear I am an example that the military have reduced their standards of entrance at least for the essay question!
http://p1.xanga.com/1a/a3/1aa3855bccb3833ac2e15df36ad69dd587700.jpg
Who is Judith Miller? What does she have to do with the communism stance of the fake photos of the New York Times which I have heard from a website is a news paper for liberal reading! I cannot believe they used fake photos of mobile chemical laboratories in their speech to the UN on unexploded french ordinance that anyone knows is not a piece of missaleage! I am sending their journalist a email sying "are you for real?"
http://p1.xanga.com/1a/a3/1aa3855bccb3833ac2e15df36ad69dd587700.jpg
Hoodle-ee-doodle-ee-dee! I have the brain damage! I have no red legs of military slang which I wouldn't expect you to know!
http://p1.xanga.com/1a/a3/1aa3855bccb3833ac2e15df36ad69dd587700.jpg
Okay for now the bye bye! I have to go get discharged for having for sure been at the pratcie of my insanity which I have been since highschool! I'll be back though to have the validation of you liberals which I wouldn't expect you to have known is what I want since there might be someone of you which is on the readfing of my posts as opposed to my nearly unreadable blog! Yay! I am a punk!

[Kulturkampf]

(and again, this is what liberals resort to)

No, I am not going to use physical violence against liberals.

But they are cunts.

[Pub Lover]

(and again, this is what liberals resort to)
'Resort' kinda implies that Mister Burbank feels his past arguments have failed against your masterful masterness. What you seemly fail to grasp is that he's simply pointing & laughing.

[Kulturkampf]

(and again, this is what liberals resort to)
'Resort' kinda implies that Mister Burbank feels his past arguments have failed against your masterful masterness. What you seemly fail to grasp is that he's simply pointing & laughing.

He's never made an argument.

He has said:

"You suck at English."

"You.. suck in general."

[Pub Lover]

He's never made an argument.
Yes, he isn't posing an argument, he is simply pointing & laughing.

[Kulturkampf]

He's never made an argument.
Yes, he isn't posing an argument, he is simply pointing & laughing.

I bet he cannot argue.

I also bet the same of you.

[Pub Lover]

I could also lay aspersions concerning your comprehension skills, but that would certainly not count as 'arguing' either.

[mburbank]

Perfect!

I will also bet you the same and make a raise as well, Klutterkunt!

I have indeed made a argument! My argument is that you suck at english way too much to deserve being taken seriously! I have supported this argument with quotes of your hideousness in the language of the english speaking and mocking parpdy of that style I have just mentioned you have had use of!

In addition, while employing your own overblown yet underproofread linguistic style at you I have argued your ideas are the ideas a stupid person has for instance that the acknowledged doofus governor Nagin is less influential that pat Robertson and that the fame Greek period of Homosexuality is famous for other things! Aslo your idea that the 'Kulture War' is anything beyond the nonsensical ravings of folks who can't rid themselves of a persecution complex even when they are in the majority and control all three branches of government is a bag of poo-poo and your decision to leave the army so you can tattoo your face and hands rveals you to be a complete moron unwothy of anything but ridicule!






I'm a huge fan of your blog, though. And if it is a crime to want to rub your Kute nubbly little head THAN LET ME BE GUILTY!!

[Jeanette X]

(and again, this is what liberals resort to)

No, I am not going to use physical violence against liberals.

But they are cunts.

I am not unwilling or incapable of debating a conservative. I have debated many on other boards and found many of them to be intelligent and insightful, and I respect them as intellectual equals.

The reason I have chosen to make fun of you rather than debate you is because you are an ignorant asshole, not because you are a conservative.

[mburbank]

HA! I am not afraid of your potential internet violence! Hit me right in the face over the internet if you dare, but I don't think you have the balls for i! Let's throw down over the internet! I bet you are too afraid to have an internet fist fight with me, Kulture Warrior!

GAY MARRIAGE!

PERMISSIVE CONTENT ON SITUATION COMEDIES DURING PRIMETIME!

EQUAL PAY FOR WOMEN!

Get up off the internet matt, you Red Legs!

[Chojin]

Max, you're hurting my brain :<

[Pharaoh]

(and again, this is what liberals resort to)
'Resort' kinda implies that Mister Burbank feels his past arguments have failed against your masterful masterness. What you seemly fail to grasp is that he's simply pointing & laughing.

He's never made an argument.

He has said:

"You suck at English."

"You.. suck in general."

That's because he really sucks, he's an just an ugly little nerd and he's pissed off about it.

[mburbank]

I'm of average height, thanks. And I have been a punk since my highschoolage back when punk was something a little more fresh than a civil war re-enactment guild, like it is today.



Actually, I was never a punk, although I was out of diapers when the Sex Pistols were releasing albums. And I wasn't talking to you, Pharoah! You don't hold my interest! I was speaking to my red legged love puppy!

[Cosmo Electrolux]

:puke

[Pharaoh]

I'm of average height, thanks. And I have been a punk since my highschoolage back when punk was something a little more fresh than a civil war re-enactment guild, like it is today.



Actually, I was never a punk, although I was out of diapers when the Sex Pistols were releasing albums. And I wasn't talking to you, Pharoah! You don't hold my interest! I was speaking to my red legged love puppy!

Us conservative punks have to stick together, if Kulturkampf leaves then you'll be onto me, and I can't be bothered to check every word is spelled right. I'm an ex-punk from way back and I can assure you that Kulturkampf is the genuine article.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

that's like George Bush vouching for Dick Cheney's honesty.....

[mburbank]

Pharoah, I'll never give you the attention I give KuntalKlamp. You are nowhere near as funny.

And neither of you are punks, and there's no such damn thing as conservative punks. You might as well call yourselves 'Conservative Greasers' for all you have to actually do with Punk which came and went before you were born. Just because no one can be bothered to come up with a name for what you all are you feel like you need to spoil the memory of something. Any actual punk (and if they aren't in at least their mid fourties they were only punk the way a birthday clown is a Barnum and Bailey paid professional) would have kicked your liver out for having a political philosiphy alllied with anyone in the least bit of power. Why don't you just call a spade a spade and be Conservative Poseurs who think They're Tough.

[Pharaoh]

Pharoah, I'll never give you the attention I give KuntalKlamp. You are nowhere near as funny.

And neither of you are punks, and there's no such damn thing as conservative punks. You might as well call yourselves 'Conservative Greasers' for all you have to actually do with Punk which came and went before you were born. Just because no one can be bothered to come up with a name for what you all are you feel like you need to spoil the memory of something. Any actual punk (and if they aren't in at least their mid fourties they were only punk the way a birthday clown is a Barnum and Bailey paid professional) would have kicked your liver out for having a political philosiphy alllied with anyone in the least bit of power. Why don't you just call a spade a spade and be Conservative Poseurs who think They're Tough.

mid fourties? philosiphy?

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Sorry but that's highly amusing coming from the spelling Nazi.

Let's see, which band would you say started '70s punk? The band that all British punk bands in 1976/77 respected and were influenced by. That's right, The Ramones. And who would you say was the leader of The Ramones? The punk that started it all off?
Yes, right again, Johnny Ramone.

http://tinypic.com/m9m51f.jpg

You suggest to original punks that Johhny Ramone should've had his liver kicked out and they'll make your screwed up ugly face look even uglier. :troutslap

[mburbank]

If you're old enough to remember the Ramones releasing albums and your interest in them isn't more like my interest in Artie Shaw, more power to you.

No, wait, less power. because that would mean you actually were walking upright back then and you STILL think 'Conservative Punks' exist, which would be very, very sad.

And I've never been a spelling Nazi. I'm quite possibly the worst speller at I-mock. I'm a structure Nazi. TurkeyKlit can spell any way he wants, but he should try to put some small effort towards making sense.

Have I attacked you the same way, even though I guess you go to the same summer camp or something? No. Because you write like a human being. A boring human being far less in need of my care, but human.


He's way more fun.

[glowbelly]

the ramones didn't invent punk >:

iggy pop did >:

[Spectre X]

I see that Max, by ridiculing the label of "conservative punk rocker", has already made clear that Kulturkampf is in no way a punk or a rocker or any combination thereof.

"Conservative punk rocker" is an oxymoron, Kulturkampf. And you're not a punk rocker.

[Pharaoh]

Nobody invented punk, but The Ramones were the band that inspired the British punk explosion in 1976.

And Johnny Ramone was politically conservative, a conservative punk rocker.

Link here (http://www.washingtontimes.com/entertainment/20040311-085521-1823r.htm)

He was a rebel in a rebel's world, though. Johnny Ramone was a fiercely Republican-voting, NRA-supporting musician in a milieu that is remarkable for its embrace of all things left.
Â*Â*Â*
Johnny went worldwide public with his partisanship in 2002, when the Ramones were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. At the microphone to give props to the people who made it all possible, he offered his own version of a Michael Moore moment.
Â*Â*Â*Â*
"God bless President Bush, and God bless America," he said, clad in his trademark T-shirt, ripped blue jeans and leather jacket.
Â*Â*Â*Â*
"I said that to counter those other speeches at the other awards," Mr. Ramone says in a phone interview. "Republicans let this happen over and over, and there is never anyone to stick up for them. They spend too much time defending themselves." Â*
Â*Â*Â*

[Kulturkampf]

The thread degenerated.

There is no point talking about the validity of conservatism and punk rock with people who probably have no idea what Oi! music is, and who references to some of the most prominent of these bands would draw blank stares.

I withdraw here, being that this is total degeneration.

[Big Papa Goat]

more like jew york times

[Spectre X]

Also, that's not a fake photograph. It's just an incorrect one.

Please learn what words mean, KulturKampf.

[glowbelly]

The thread degenerated.

There is no point talking about the validity of conservatism and punk rock with people who probably have no idea what Oi! music is, and who references to some of the most prominent of these bands would draw blank stares.

I withdraw here, being that this is total degeneration.

:lol

are you sayin that you are more punk than me? :(

*edited for stupid mistake fixin

[Pharaoh]

Also, that's not a fake photograph. It's just an incorrect one.

Please learn what words mean, KulturKampf.

A fake isÂ*somebody or something not genuine:Â*a person or thing that appears or is presented as being genuine but is not. The photo was presented as a genuine photo of damage from the U.S. airstrike in Pakistan. It actually wasn't and therefore was a fake.

[Jaeger S Meistersen]

A fake isÂ*somebody or something not genuine:Â*a person or thing that appears or is presented as being genuine but is not. The photo was presented as a genuine photo of damage from the U.S. airstrike in Pakistan. It actually wasn't and therefore was a fake.

You're right...you're absolutely right. It is a fake...except that you're fucking wrong. the LABEL which has been proven spurious may well be a fake, but the photograph is still A PHOTOGRAPH, YOU MORONIC ASSHOLE!

Now let me hand down some fucking wisdom from high atop Mount Jaeger, okay? Iggy Pop invented Punk Rock. say all you want that nobody invented it, but know that you're wrong. Punk Rock is a musical movement and all musical movements must have their roots. The Ramones were influenced by the nearby MC-5 and the Stooges...Iggy Pop, front man of the Stooges was influenced by NOTHING! because Iggy Pop is a fucking lunatic.

Secondly, I was always of the opinion that the leader of the Ramones was Joey...being...i dunno...the front man and all. Say what you will about who wrote the songs, but Joey Ramone? Joey Fucking Ramone. Now shut up, you posturing shitbag.

I withdraw here, being that this is total degeneration.

If you were punk rock, you would WORSHIP fucking degeneration, being a natural state towards which all things eventually gravitate. If you were xpunkxfuckingxrockx you would kiss the bloody distended butthole of degeneration because it means the toppling of organizational structures...like governments...

So don't leave now! Especially after you've just mentioned Oi! (note the pretentious use of the exclamation point for SHOCK value) music...the music that started as a more aggro offshoot of punk and working man's skinhead music and devolved into the haven of nazi trash and white power rhetoric. Don't go after you've just made the WOEFULLY horrid mistake of dragging racism into this little hullabaloo! The fucking fun is just starting and the cock sparring (yes...a clandestine reference to an Oi! band, thus proving that i know the scene) has just begun...i have yet to be given the opportunity to rip off your 4skin!

You're a twit, KK...you're a twit just barely missing another K in your name to verify your twittering twitness. But I leave proof of that in the hands of Mister Burbank, as he is the Twitfinder General 'round these here parts. I, on the other hand, have come to assert myself as the stone wall beyond which your flimsy arguments and assertions will not pass.

p.s. Conservative Punks? NO SUCH FUCKING ANIMAL!

[ziggytrix]

Hey, if the Log Cabin Republicans can exist, I don't see why someone can't call themself a conservative punk.

[Jaeger S Meistersen]

French try to feed shocking photography of events as fact;

Someone who knows ANYTHING about ordinance sees a large artillery round and laughs when they say it is an unexploded part of the missile;


Now...allow me to hand you a little piece of education. this one is free of charge. And it won't even be me grammar-bitching about how you misused ';' twice...no, this is going to be REAL education...not a mere missive about how anyone wishing to have their voice heard should at least learn to use their native language properly.

the word 'missile' is defined as follows: An object or weapon that is fired, thrown, dropped, or otherwise projected at a target; a projectile.

So that is a missile. technically the caption isn't wrong. an artillery shell is a missile. It may not be a GUIDED missile. It may not be a rocket, but it is a missile. A bullet is a missile. An arrow is a missile. Shit a fucking ROCK is a missile as long as you throw it. The New York Times can print a picture of a field of scattered ROCKS and say it's a collection of discarded missiles and do you know what any of us can say about it?

NOTHING!

Because they're RIGHT!

All intentions aside and all recriminations aside, the simple fact is that you are a stupid fuck and should not be here. This also goes for your little friend, Pharaoh...the fucker with the audacity to name himself after a governmental figure and still call himself a punk.


Journalism is a job that attracts leftists.


Even if i was going to give the least credence or credibility to this blindly idiotic statement, I would do so merely to point out that the subtext of what you just said is, "because journalism is about exposing truth to the public and therefore has no attraction to conservatives"

Hope you enjoy your stint with the Party of Corruption, asshole. Now get off my forum and take your little boyfriend with you.

[Pharaoh]

A fake isÂ*somebody or something not genuine:Â*a person or thing that appears or is presented as being genuine but is not. The photo was presented as a genuine photo of damage from the U.S. airstrike in Pakistan. It actually wasn't and therefore was a fake.

You're right...you're absolutely right. It is a fake...except that you're fucking wrong. the LABEL which has been proven spurious may well be a fake, but the photograph is still A PHOTOGRAPH, YOU MORONIC ASSHOLE!

Now let me hand down some fucking wisdom from high atop Mount Jaeger, okay? Iggy Pop invented Punk Rock. say all you want that nobody invented it, but know that you're wrong. Punk Rock is a musical movement and all musical movements must have their roots. The Ramones were influenced by the nearby MC-5 and the Stooges...Iggy Pop, front man of the Stooges was influenced by NOTHING! because Iggy Pop is a fucking lunatic.

Secondly, I was always of the opinion that the leader of the Ramones was Joey...being...i dunno...the front man and all. Say what you will about who wrote the songs, but Joey Ramone? Joey Fucking Ramone. Now shut up, you posturing shitbag.

You stupid knobhead.
A fake Rolex watch is still a watch but that doesn't mean it's not a fake. If it's presented as a Rolex it's a fake, if it's presented as a copy then it's a copy.
The photograph was presented as a genuine photo of damage from the U.S. airstrike in Pakistan. It's a fake.

And if you know anything about '70s punk you'll know that Punk magazine, which was there at the start, knows what it's talking about.
Link here (http://www.punkmagazine.com/morestuff/deedee.html)

Johnny was The Boss of the Ramones - a right-wing conservative who beat up hippies when he worked as a construction worker. Joey was the nice guy of the band who loved rock 'n' roll music more than anything else in the world.

But it even if he wasn't the leader, he was still conservative and that was my point, he was a conservative punk. Get it?

And if you think Iggy Pop was influenced by nothing, then you know absolutely nothing, and you're a total idiot.

[Jaeger S Meistersen]

You stupid knobhead.
A fake Rolex watch is still a watch but that doesn't mean it's not a fake. If it's presented as a Rolex it's a fake, if it's presented as a copy then it's a copy.
The photograph was presented as a genuine photo of damage from the U.S. airstrike in Pakistan. It's a fake.


Are you even fucking literate? The information contained within the photograph's LABEL is spurious but the photo is still a photo. It is, after all, not a chicken stapled to the new york times which they are trying to pass off as a photograph. it is not a chunk of the mir space station being referred to as a photograph. It is a photograph with an incorrect LABEL!

now please stop being a fucking twit and leave.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

From a history of punk rock - http://mt.essortment.com/punkrockhistor_rapl.htm


Like any musical genre, it's hard to pinpoint that time and place where it actually began. But unlike any other musical genre, Punk rock was started as a deliberate reaction to the mass commercialism of music. In the year 2000, it's common to see someone "being A punk," rather than seeing someone "be punk."

In the late 60's and early 70's, the music industry rang eerily familiar in its method of promoting trends over music. The public was being spoon-fed music that corporations simply intended to make a profit from. The backlash to this came to be known internationally as Punk rock.

New York, early 1970's. Young, virtually unknown artists like Patti Smith, the Velvet Underground, and the Dolls of New York(changed later to New York Dolls) brought about a new style of "alternative-bohemian" entertainment, rooted in a "do-it-yourself" attitude. Short, frenetic songs, aggressive, sometimes confrontational stage presence, and angry messages against consumerism hit the stages at venues like New York's CBGB's, starting the movement that would be known as punk rock.

Bands like the Ramones and the Talking Heads would evolve out of the punk rock movement, and become influences for those who shared a similar distaste in what was occurring in the music industry. Some say the underlying roots of punk was the frustration and anger from being treated as sheep, while others say punk stemmed from the "politics of boredom." It was both.



EDIT: Most of the sources I've read list the Stooges as founders of the genre....and the Ramones as coming later.

[Pharaoh]

You stupid knobhead.
A fake Rolex watch is still a watch but that doesn't mean it's not a fake. If it's presented as a Rolex it's a fake, if it's presented as a copy then it's a copy.
The photograph was presented as a genuine photo of damage from the U.S. airstrike in Pakistan. It's a fake.


Are you even fucking literate? The information contained within the photograph's LABEL is spurious but the photo is still a photo. It is, after all, not a chicken stapled to the new york times which they are trying to pass off as a photograph. it is not a chunk of the mir space station being referred to as a photograph. It is a photograph with an incorrect LABEL!

now please stop being a fucking twit and leave.

Only the object being presented as genuine can be said to be fake, the label is the lie that makes the object a fake. The photo is still a photo, but it's not a photo of what the label claims it to be, and that makes it a fake.
Just like copy of a Rolex watch with an incorrect label claiming it to be a genuine Rolex, is a fake Rolex, but still a watch.

As for me having audacity to name myself after a governmental figure and still call myself a punk. Have a look and my profile and you might realise where I got my name from, my favourite punk band is the Dead Boys.

And as for getting off your forum, it's as much my forum or any other member here as yours, you hippie fascist.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

FASCISM (MUSIC) FORUM. >:

[Spectre X]

You stupid knobhead.
A fake Rolex watch is still a watch but that doesn't mean it's not a fake. If it's presented as a Rolex it's a fake, if it's presented as a copy then it's a copy.
The photograph was presented as a genuine photo of damage from the U.S. airstrike in Pakistan. It's a fake.


Are you even fucking literate? The information contained within the photograph's LABEL is spurious but the photo is still a photo. It is, after all, not a chicken stapled to the new york times which they are trying to pass off as a photograph. it is not a chunk of the mir space station being referred to as a photograph. It is a photograph with an incorrect LABEL!

now please stop being a fucking twit and leave.

Only the object being presented as genuine can be said to be fake, the label is the lie that makes the object a fake. The photo is still a photo, but it's not a photo of what the label claims it to be, and that makes it a fake.
Just like copy of a Rolex watch with an incorrect label claiming it to be a genuine Rolex, is a fake Rolex, but still a watch.

As for me having audacity to name myself after a governmental figure and still call myself a punk. Have a look and my profile and you might realise where I got my name from, my favourite punk band is the Dead Boys.

And as for getting off your forum, it's as much my forum or any other member here as yours, you hippie fascist.

Listen you fucking jackass,

a fake photograph is a photograph which is faked. A photograph that has been edited in some way after being taken so that what the photograph originally depicted is altered. THAT is a fake photograph. Another possiblity for a faked photograph is a photograph which has been staged, the contents were determined beforehand and whoever took the photograph used, for instance, actors and models and sets in order to depict something that did not happen.

And what you're saying doesn't even make any fucking sense. A fake Rolex may not be a Rolex, but it is stilla watch. It's not a fake watch, it's a fake Rolex. And that shit doesn't even apply here anyay, because we're talking about photographs, and not fake Rolexes. There are different rules for both, dickwad.

[Pharaoh]

Cosmo Electrolux, punk can be traced back to the '60s with garage punk bands like The Sonics, Count 5, The Seeds and The 13th Floor Elevators, and even back to Elvis & Rock 'n' Roll.
The Stooges, MC5 and Velvet Underground came after '60s garage punk and were followed by the New York Dolls, but, as I said, it was the Ramones that started the punk explosion in 1976.Â*

punk77.co.uk is an excellent British punk website by an original '70s punk, there's a good punk history section on it.

Link here (http://www.punk77.co.uk/punkhistory/punkhistinto.htm)

[ziggytrix]

On the whole "fake" thing, the real crux is did the NYT writers and editors make a mistake or perpetrate a fraud.

To use your Rolex analogy, if someone paid $600 for a watch for your Christmas present, and then after you unwrap it, your friend discovers that he was decieved about the item's authenticity, do you then get mad at your friend for buying you a fake Rolex?

[Pharaoh]

On the whole "fake" thing, the real crux is did the NYT writers and editors make a mistake or perpetrate a fraud.

To use your Rolex analogy, if someone paid $600 for a watch for your Christmas present, and then after you unwrap it, your friend discovers that he was decieved about the item's authenticity, do you then get mad at your friend for buying you a fake Rolex?

No I would be mad at the seller.

And I believe the French agency who sold the photo knew it wasn't really of the US bombing, but presented it as such, and therefore the NYT bought a fake.
Although I accept the NYT may have been innocent, they printed a fake photo.

I just don't see how the French agency could have innocently made such a mistake.

[Kulturkampf]

It is a fake photograph, adveritisng it as an unexploded part of the missile that hit the target when it is a completely in-tact artillery shell.


I guess on very abstract levels you would be right, but let's not pretend that it is considered as such consistently -- it is splitting hairs and defending absolutely shit journalism.

[Spectre X]

If I take a photo of a baby and tell people it's a photo of a tank, does that make the photo a fake photo?

[Cosmo Electrolux]

Cosmo Electrolux, punk can be traced back to the '60s with garage punk bands like The Sonics, Count 5, The Seeds and The 13th Floor Elevators, and even back to Elvis & Rock 'n' Roll.
The Stooges, MC5 and Velvet Underground came after '60s garage punk and were followed by the New York Dolls, but, as I said, it was the Ramones that started the punk explosion in 1976.

punk77.co.uk is an excellent British punk website by an original '70s punk, there's a good punk history section on it.

Link here (http://www.punk77.co.uk/punkhistory/punkhistinto.htm)

just passing along info, dude. looks to me that the wave was already rolling when the Ramones decided to surf.

[Pharaoh]

just passing along info, dude. looks to me that the wave was already rolling when the Ramones decided to surf.

Agreed, but they were the only ones surfing it by 1976, they showed that anybody could surf and they were followed by dozens of other surfers who saw how much fun it was.

[Pharaoh]

If I take a photo of a baby and tell people it's a photo of a tank, does that make the photo a fake photo?

No, because nobody will be fooled into thinking it's a tank. But if you take a photo of a baby that looks like it could be bin Laden as a baby, and sell it as that then I would say that's a fake.

[Dr. Boogie]

So if you take a picture of baby bin Laden and say that it's a tank, that's a fake picture?

[mburbank]

KittyKat came back after he said he was done with the thread which means he's a liar.

And if you all argue any longer about Punk (even though I started it) you'll turn it into jazz.

I was never punk. BUT I was an adult when it happened. PAST TENSE! Pick a new fucking name, the one your using already got used. Their is no continous revolution. Start your own fucking revolution. OH! YOU CAN'T! Because you haven't got the brains to start anything new so you co-opt something old.

And Conservative punks are Log Cabin Republicans without the dignity to hate themselves.

[Pharaoh]

So if you take a picture of baby bin Laden and say that it's a tank, that's a fake picture?

Yes, if you sell it to blind person.

[kahljorn]

Who cares if they used a fake photo, anyway. It's not like it had any real effect. If this was, say, a fake picture of george bush giving a rhinoceros a blowjob then I'd agree that they stepped too far. But a mistake like using the wrong picture of debris? Come on. Most pointless thing to complain about.

[Jaeger S Meistersen]

I'm feeling egotistical...maybe seeing Kulturekampf start a thread about the definition of his own name struck a chord within me...who knows. So I just want to point out that nobody, and i mean NOBODY has tried to argue that it's not a missile...i owned that part of the argument. Go me.

A baby is a fake photo...a photo of the wrong thing is a fakeD photo. If you're going to speak english, you may want to start by learning to speak english.

It's called Nuance, smart guy. NOOOO WANTS! Nuance. Dig that shit.

[Kulturkampf]

It is a bad caption, and it is a real photo of some old geezer standing next to an artillery round which is being calld a missile, which in the context of any conversation of modern technology does not equal an artillery shell.

[Pharaoh]

It is a bad caption, and it is a real photo of some old geezer standing next to an artillery round which is being calld a missile, which in the context of any conversation of modern technology does not equal an artillery shell.

I must admit though the old geezer does look like he's got a serious head injury. Lol.

[imported_I, fuzzbot.]

I must admit though the old geezer does look like he's got a serious head injury. Lol.

Hey man, your comment is pretty funny, it made me laugh out loud (they really need to come up with an acronym for when that happens.)

[Dr. Boogie]

It is a bad caption, and it is a real photo of some old geezer standing next to an artillery round which is being calld a missile, which in the context of any conversation of modern technology does not equal an artillery shell.

But this isn't a "conversation of modern technology"; it's a news story about things blowing up, and when you're talking about explosives, artillery shells aren't that far from missiles.

[Kulturkampf]

It is a bad caption, and it is a real photo of some old geezer standing next to an artillery round which is being calld a missile, which in the context of any conversation of modern technology does not equal an artillery shell.

But this isn't a "conversation of modern technology"; it's a news story about things blowing up, and when you're talking about explosives, artillery shells aren't that far from missiles.

I disagree. I think most children know the difference between a missile and a round you put into a giant gun.

[Pub Lover]

I think most children know the difference between a missile and a round you put into a giant gun.
Most children at military camp, maybe. :/

[ziggytrix]

or even the children in that picture.

but they probably didn't speak french.

[Geggy]

Welcome to the new age fags when it is possible for hackers to break into journalists' email system to delete real photographs that they don't want you to see and plant fake, out-of-date photographs like that one photograph of paki boys standing around an unfired missile along with false information in order to make a mockery out of liberal presses.

Although while that makes sense to me, I'm just letting my imagination run wiiiiild, baby.

[VinceZeb]

(and again, this is what liberals resort to)
'Resort' kinda implies that Mister Burbank feels his past arguments have failed against your masterful masterness. What you seemly fail to grasp is that he's simply pointing & laughing.

He's never made an argument.

He has said:

"You suck at English."

"You.. suck in general."

Don't sweat it. If you want a good laugh, just look at a picture of Max that had been floating around these parts a couple of years ago. I can honestly say that I have never met your mother, but I'm willing to bet that Max has bigger tits.

[glowbelly]

yeah, kk(k)! don't sweat it! you might not be the brightest bulb in the box, but at least you don't have boobies! :D

[Pharaoh]

I've just seen the picture. :wank

[Dole]

'catholic samurai'
'conservative punk'


Hmm.



And Kulturekampf listens to Oi. Thats fucking hilarious.

[Kulturkampf]

LOL, how is it hilarious I listen to Oi music?

And by Oi music, I do mean Oi music; do not get me wrong on the issue and make you think that by Oi I mean punk bands that are slightly inspired by the classics and over-use the word in the name of seeming cool....

I mean, the absolute, ultimate, quintessential international sensation of Oi music in the must unapologetic and amazingly beautiful way.

Favorite bands =
The Clash (not Oi, I know)
Vanilla Muffins
The Oppressed
Pluton Svea
Jocke Karlsson (only one album, the singer of Pluton Svea, Pro Patria, and now Pitbull Farm)
Legion of St. George
The Headhunters (the Oi project of Ultima Thule)
Legion Of St. George
Angelic Upstarts
Sham 69

And even a liberal Oi band like Los Fastidios still tickles my ears (yes, angelic uptarts are also generally liberal).