Islamic people on the board

[kahljorn]

Have you ever heard of Hassan-i Sabbah? I know it can't be expected for everyone to have heard of him just because of religion/ancestry.. but I'm just curious if you have, and what kinds of things you were told about him?

I'd really appreciate any of your thoughts/knowledge on the matter. Thanks.

[ziggytrix]

V:tM forum. :P

[ScruU2wice]

I haven't :(

Unless I did in sunday school, and I just forgot.

[kahljorn]

What's V:tM? Vemelica: traunis Meculeum?

[Chojin]

Vampire: The Masquerade

[Cosmo Electrolux]

Have you ever heard of Hassan-i Sabbah? I know it can't be expected for everyone to have heard of him just because of religion/ancestry.. but I'm just curious if you have, and what kinds of things you were told about him?

I'd really appreciate any of your thoughts/knowledge on the matter. Thanks.

Nothing is true. Everything is permitted. -Hassan i Sabbah_

He founded the Hashashim I think in 1096..... I think he uttered the above heresy on his death bed. I"ll have to dig up that book I read about the Order of ASssassins.

P.S. Sorry, I'm not islamic. I should read the thread titles before posting.... :(

[mburbank]

Cosmo beat me to it. Hashishim, Asassin, that's about all I know, and my sources are both Western. William Burroughs had more than a passing interest in him, as did Robert Wilson in the Illuminati books.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

Cosmo beat me to it. Hashishim, Asassin, that's about all I know, and my sources are both Western. William Burroughs had more than a passing interest in him, as did Robert Wilson in the Illuminati books.

Robert Anton WIlson fan, Max?

That's where I first heard the name, and managed to obtain a book on the subject...I think it was from the recommended reading list from the novels....

[ziggytrix]

He has a swell wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasan-i_Sabbah) too, but they don't mention the Assamite vampire clan at all. :(

[ScruU2wice]

Dude they smoked pot :hypno :420

[kahljorn]

Yea, I've heard him mentioned by both of those guys. If you guys like robert anton wilson I'd reccomend reading his other books, the ones he wrote after the illuminati trilogy: Cosmic trigger trilogy and prometheus rising. Prometheus rising is really good, it's based on timothy leary's eight circuit model of consciousness, which is essentially a run down of every psychological complex from both Jung and Freud, then combining it with yoga and drugs...
I think he mentioned hassan-i sabbah in Prometheus once or twice, mostly when talking about reimprinting and supposed brainwashing. He talks about how Hassan-i Sabbah would get people really high and really stoned/fucked up then he'd scare the shit out of them while they're hallucinating. Then he would show up with a harem of women and scare off the "beasts" which would attach people to him like they were his children or something.

I've heard alot of stuff about him, including that he brought hash to america and other "Mysteries". I've also heard his name mentioned in works by Hakim Bey and a few other authors.

"Nothing is true and everything is permitted" I love that quote. I do my best to live by philosophies similar to that. :(

[Emu]

Dude they smoked pot http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/ScruU2wice/238733772_l.gif:420

fixed

[kahljorn]

Yea, sorry I didn't see the pot thing till after I posted. He was supposed to be a crazy stoner along with being a crazy freemasonic assassin, I think that's where timothy leary got alot of his inspiration for drug-induced psychological rehibilitation or even being able to reach deeply into consciousness and cause an effect.

[kahljorn]

Also, I have so much pot right now I don't know what to do with it!

In honor of this thread and everybody posting in it, and of course in honor of hassas-i sabbah, I will now go take my morning gravity. GOOOOD MOOORNING GRAAAAAVITY, I damn your house :(

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Bye bye, Riggo. :lol

[Riggo44]

Sorry Kev......I didn't read the tos word for word :)

[kahljorn]

What happened? ARE YOU ALREADY GOING TO BEGIN WITH YOUR REGIME OF CLASSIFICATIONS AND THE HIDING OF THE TRUTH? ME AND GEGGY ARE GOING TO FIND YOUR ASS OUT.

[Riggo44]

I said I would buy your pot and I guess that's a big no no here....oh well 2 tears in a bucket fuck it :)

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Unless you're an Islamic drug dealer, I'd prefer you not talk about that shit here.

[kahljorn]

Well if you want to buy some pot I hope you have a CANNIBUS CARD making it completely legal for you to do so.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

Yea, I've heard him mentioned by both of those guys. If you guys like robert anton wilson I'd reccomend reading his other books, the ones he wrote after the illuminati trilogy: Cosmic trigger trilogy and prometheus rising. Prometheus rising is really good, it's based on timothy leary's eight circuit model of consciousness, which is essentially a run down of every psychological complex from both Jung and Freud, then combining it with yoga and drugs...
I think he mentioned hassan-i sabbah in Prometheus once or twice, mostly when talking about reimprinting and supposed brainwashing. He talks about how Hassan-i Sabbah would get people really high and really stoned/fucked up then he'd scare the shit out of them while they're hallucinating. Then he would show up with a harem of women and scare off the "beasts" which would attach people to him like they were his children or something.

I've heard alot of stuff about him, including that he brought hash to america and other "Mysteries". I've also heard his name mentioned in works by Hakim Bey and a few other authors.

"Nothing is true and everything is permitted" I love that quote. I do my best to live by philosophies similar to that. :(

I've read all of Wilsons books, except his latest. I've ordered that one from New Falcon Publications...should be here any day now. :picklehat

[kahljorn]

Awesome :) I wish I had more money to spend on books. Which one is your favorite by him? What is his latest book?

[Cosmo Electrolux]

Aside from "Illuminatus" , I think the Cosmic Trigger series and Promethius Rising were my favorites.

His newest is called "Email to the Universe". I'll post a book report after I"ve read it. :)

[kahljorn]

Thanks.

Have you ever read any of the people he talks about? Like Korzybski? I want to buy some of his books. I've read a few things online. I know it won't have that same RAW flair, though.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

it doesn't. I tried to read something by one of the authors Wilson references all of the time, but it was so dry and dull, I couldn't finish it.

I wish I could remember his name....old age and alcohol are talking their toll

[kahljorn]

Dry and dull? What was it about?

Alan watts?

[Cosmo Electrolux]

I have read Alan Watts...The Book was the name of the book, and although he lacks WIlsons flair, the book was very readable and enjoyable. I'll find my Wilson books ( I moved recently and all of my books are still packed away) and find out the authors name and the title of the book.

It may be "The Crack in the Cosmic Egg".....I'll find out when I dig out my books.

[kahljorn]

Yea, I love alan watts. I used to have a bunch of audio books by him but i deleted them because they took up too much space. I never really found him dry and dulll, but I could see how someone could.

Was it James Joyce? He talks about him alot, and most of the people that try to read his books end up giving up.

This one? (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0892819944/sr=1-1/qid=1138304273/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1956356-2200763?%5Fencoding=UTF8)

[Cosmo Electrolux]

that's the one...I have a recent copy of it, as I wanted to give it another chance....but I haven't started it yet. I'm still not sure if I saw a reference to it in Wilsons work or not....

[kahljorn]

I don't know. Some of the reviews talk about it as being about Don Juan. Have you ever read Carlos Canstenada? I liked art of dreaming by him, it seemed really practical.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

I've read a few of his books....the last one I read was "The Active side of Infinity"...and it was good. I like Castenada, but I have doubts about the existance of Don Juan. I would love to believe that the things described in his books were possible, but I just can't decide how much is reality and how much is pure bullshit.

[kahljorn]

yea, i could see how someone would find it hard to believe. I always liked art of dreaming because of the way he presented it. It was almost a step by step guide to learning how to have crazy shaman dreams. Essentially what you do is focus on learning how to focus in lucid dreams. I don't know if you've ever had one, but it's kind of hard to at times and you can get side-tracked easily, so it suggests exercises for building your focus. I thought that was cool, because ti was written so practically you can't help but believe it.. at least partially.

As for his existence, I'm not sure.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

I'll have to check out the art of dreaming...Casteneda's books have a dreamy quality to me....just reading his books is almost a surreal experience...like reading W.B. Yates poetry....