Lower the defficit; Let Fags Fight!

[mburbank]

WASHINGTON - Discharging troops under the
Pentagon's policy on gays cost $363.8 million over 10 years, almost double what the government concluded a year ago, a private report says.

[Emu]

That's a small price to pay to keep them from dropping their guns and running like sissies and disturbing other, heterosexual soldiers with their come-ons. I mean, how the hell are you supposed to hold a gun if you're constantly worrying about your manicure? Jesus, fags.

[mburbank]

You know you're right. Now that I think of it, really, it was fags cost us that money, not the policy. Fags and their fag lieing about their faggotry. I think acts of sodomy should be taxed until this debt is repaid.

[ItalianStereotype]

source?

that seems way too steep.

[Emu]

It's over the past 10 years. In that respect, it isn't really that much, compared to other expenses.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

are they still afraid that, in the heat of battle, one of those fags will slip up behind one of our brave fighting men and slip a weenie up his pooper?

[Kulturkampf]

No...

Are you in the Army? I am.

Do you know what would happen to gays in the Army?

The lawsuits for gays being beaten inside out would be enough to off-set that; 60 minutes would constantly be running reports about the latest homosexual beaten within inches of his life (or even to death) in this or that unit.

I am a liberal by military standards.

Gays in an Army unit? Sounds like a recipe for someone getting their head kicked in once a month.

[Spectre X]

And whose fault would that be? The fault of the gays? For being gay? Or the fault of the people who actually can do something about it?

[executioneer]

good thing the kind of people who would beat a gay guy up are in the army then, in other countries getting shot at

[Sirhamalot]

No...

Are you in the Army? I am.

Do you know what would happen to gays in the Army?

The lawsuits for gays being beaten inside out would be enough to off-set that; 60 minutes would constantly be running reports about the latest homosexual beaten within inches of his life (or even to death) in this or that unit.

I am a liberal by military standards.

Gays in an Army unit? Sounds like a recipe for someone getting their head kicked in once a month.

Why does it seem the various incarnations of the Army Times (Navy Times, Air Force Times, ect) are focused on this issue? Every place I have been in just abides by the don't ask don't tell and doesn't make an issue of it. As far as the cost, I wouldn't put to much thought into it. After all, costs are extremely exaggerated on any OTH or Dishonorable discharge that it seems a little mad to use those figures. Things they put into account are time left in the members contract, prosecution costs (if applicable), and administrative costs (which we would eat one way or another). Kulturkampf has a good point that some of the current members in the military would not be able to serve openly one way or another. Ignoring the problem, and questionable members seems to be the correct answer, of course they could go back to the old way (which lead to fewer discharges to boot).

[Abcdxxxx]

Do you know what would happen to gays in the Army?

I'll take a wild guess.... they have to endure your constant lewd come ons?

(sorry, you were asking for that one!)

I thought the Army was full of sensitivity training these days, though. How isn't it worse to have a bunch of mandatory closet cases running around?

[mburbank]

KunningKrab, how does someone as dumb as you keep their autonomic nervous system up and running? Aren't you afriad one day you'll just not forget your heart needs to beat?

New dumb guy, here's something else they could do. Mandate that the army wouldn't tolerate discrimination on the basis of sexulity, and enforce it. But I guess tht's not realistic. That's why the army still isn't integrated.

[Pharaoh]

Aren't you afriad one day you'll just not forget your heart needs to beat?


What the hell does that load of crap mean, butwank?
Do you mean if someone remembers that their heart needs to beat then they'll die, or what? :/

[mburbank]

The autonomic nervous system functions without concious control. It's run by the most primitive part of the brain. If you were so stupid that even your lizard brain couldn't keep you functional, you'd be, well... really stupid.

You know what I'm talking about.


and... BREATH!


Good boy.

[Preechr]

Your insults are so far over his head he has to send his buddy in figure out what the insult meant before he can respond.

See, you should have made something up rather than explaining what you really meant.

...or maybe you did...

[mburbank]

it's been that kind of day.

[Pharaoh]

The autonomic nervous system functions without concious control. It's run by the most primitive part of the brain. If you were so stupid that even your lizard brain couldn't keep you functional, you'd be, well... really stupid.

You know what I'm talking about.


and... BREATH!


Good boy.

Yes I know what you're talking about, wankbut, no thanks to your terrible grammar.

And surely you mean BREATHE! Not BREATH! :confused

[Kulturkampf]

KunningKrab, how does someone as dumb as you keep their autonomic nervous system up and running? Aren't you afriad one day you'll just not forget your heart needs to beat?

New dumb guy, here's something else they could do. Mandate that the army wouldn't tolerate discrimination on the basis of sexulity, and enforce it. But I guess tht's not realistic. That's why the army still isn't integrated.

Mandate it? Then we'd lose thousands of soldiers a year due to sexual orientation based harassment and assaults. Good solution for destroying the debt problem we have....

If gays were in the military, we'd lose countless dollars to lawsuits and then countless more in losing thousands of other soldiers annually because of the crimes against gays.

You are a cunt.

[Dole]

So...you didnt actually take in what he said then?

[mburbank]

No, he did! He's cleverly referencing all the thousands of soldiers a year we've lost due to racial orientation based harassment and assaults since we started little pure white folk and darkies fight in the same units!

We've lost thousand of soldiers because of their crimes against blacks, and those are the soldiers we need most! The ones who don't care about following orders and would rather fight each other than any old enemy!

[Cosmo Electrolux]

KunningKrab, how does someone as dumb as you keep their autonomic nervous system up and running? Aren't you afriad one day you'll just not forget your heart needs to beat?

New dumb guy, here's something else they could do. Mandate that the army wouldn't tolerate discrimination on the basis of sexulity, and enforce it. But I guess tht's not realistic. That's why the army still isn't integrated.

Mandate it? Then we'd lose thousands of soldiers a year due to sexual orientation based harassment and assaults. Good solution for destroying the debt problem we have....

If gays were in the military, we'd lose countless dollars to lawsuits and then countless more in losing thousands of other soldiers annually because of the crimes against gays.

You are a cunt.

Spoken like a true retard...literally....all that's missing is the drool...

[mburbank]

I missed him calling me a cunt again.

I'm not sure he knows what a cunt is.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Though he quite clearly knows what a penis is.

[DamnthatDavid]

Well... we can try a all gay military unit and see how fucked up (pun, sorry) they get in combat.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Um, I'd say at least half the gay guys I've known in my life could kick my ass.

And what makes you think there aren't already gays there?

[Ant10708]

"My son is built like a fag."

[mburbank]

My son is built like a brick fag.

[Kulturkampf]

No, he did! He's cleverly referencing all the thousands of soldiers a year we've lost due to racial orientation based harassment and assaults since we started little pure white folk and darkies fight in the same units!

We've lost thousand of soldiers because of their crimes against blacks, and those are the soldiers we need most! The ones who don't care about following orders and would rather fight each other than any old enemy!

I have never heard of a racial attack in the Army in three years I have been in. But, I do know of a homosexual gettng beaten down once.

[Kulturkampf]

Though he quite clearly knows what a penis is.

I fucked one once.

[mburbank]

Oh boy.

The Army used to be segregated. Many of the same arguments about allowing Blacks and Whites to fight together are being used to support arguments against gays in the military.

This is from Stars and Stripes, soldier boy.






“In a completely integrated unit where you’d have white soldiers, particularly from southern states, serving under [black] noncommissioned officers or officers … I think you would have a problem definitely.”

— Gen. Omar Bradley, 1949

Purnell Sterrett’s first attempt to join America’s military was a bust.

In the years before World War II, the Navy he longed to enter had limited jobs for people like him. Black men, he was told, could serve the Navy only as cooks or bakers.

“I said, ‘If I wanted to learn how to cook or bake, my grandmother could teach me,’ ” recalled Sterrett, who wanted to be a gunner’s mate. “(The recruiter) took my application and dropped it in the trash can.”

Fast forward a few decades, and the military that treated Sterrett like an unwelcome guest is considered a colorblind institution, offering opportunities for anyone regardless of race, ethnicity or religion. Black generals and admirals have lost their newsworthiness, as have top black noncommissioned officers.

“The military has done so well,” said John Sibley Butler, a sociology professor at the University of Texas in Austin and an author of books about race relations in the military, “you don’t even think about it.”

In his writing, including the book he co-authored called “All That We Can Be: Black Leadership and Racial Integration the Army Way,” Butler has praised the military as a place of equality and opportunity, citing the overall mission as the impetus.

“The purpose of the military is to defend the country,” he said in a telephone interview. That’s too important a task to do while worrying about the color of the person standing next to you, he said. The need to accomplish the mission outweighs everything else.

Sterrett, 83, remembers a different time.

Educated in a segregated school on the outskirts of Baltimore, Md., he dropped out after eighth grade.

While he could sit wherever he pleased on the city’s public transportation, many of the city’s restaurants would not admit him.

Baltimore’s streets were often filled with sailors, especially when the fleet docked in the city’s harbor. Less than 50 miles to the south was the U.S. Naval Academy at Annapolis.

“I always had an urge to see what the Navy was like,” Sterrett said.


His first attempt was unsuccessful because he wouldn’t knuckle under to the limitations. But after the attack on Pearl Harbor, President Franklin Roosevelt ordered more jobs opened to blacks as America went to war.

Sterrett, who now lives in Beck Row, England, near RAF Mildenhall, applied again and was accepted. But the Navy would not use its training bases to train black sailors, and Sterrett was forced to wait again. Camp Robert Small eventually was opened as an annex to the Great Lakes Naval Training Center near Chicago.

Sterrett was trained as a munitions expert and shipped out in December 1942 to Navy Advance Base 140 on the island of Espiritu Santo in the New Hebrides Island off the east coast of Australia. The fleet visited the island to replenish its ammunition supply.

After the war, Sterrett returned to the United States and left the Navy in January 1946. Two months later, unable to find work in the civilian world, he joined the U.S. Army Air Corps, the forerunner to the U.S. Air Force.

His munitions background placed him in the 7281st Air Ammunition Squadron, which was sent to Europe to clean up ammunition that had been left behind as the front moved across Germany during the war.

Sterrett displays a photo of the unit taken before it shipped out. The only white faces belong to the officers seated down front. Sterrett said that was normal then.

Change was coming, however. President Truman was hearing stories of the poor treatment of America’s black war veterans. Walter White, president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, especially, had told the president of black veterans being abused. Their war service had done nothing to change the racist attitudes they endured before the war.

Among the collection of paperwork from Sterrett’s military career is a printed letter of appreciation from Truman given to all war veterans. It says, in part, “[W]e now look to you for leadership and example in further exalting our country in peace.”

But the president’s words did not represent reality.

Stationed in Texas in 1946, Sterrett and other black soldiers were asked to move to the back of the bus taking troops into San Antonio.

Sterrett, still a bit amazed at the experience, said, “I just came from four years in the Pacific [during the war] and he’s asking me to get in the back of the bus.”

Ray Geselbracht, special assistant to the director of the Harry S. Truman Presidential Museum and Library in Independence, Mo., said Truman had earlier established a civil rights commission, something no president before had even considered. One recommendation was ending segregation in the armed forces.

“It was clear to Truman and his advisers that Congress would not support such a thing,” Geselbracht said in a telephone interview.

So on July 26, 1948, Truman signed Executive Order 9981, bypassing Congress as he brought integration to the military.

“It is hereby declared to be the policy of the President that there shall be equality of treatment and opportunity for all persons in the armed services without regard to race, color, religious or national origin,” the order declared.

The military was to desegregate “as rapidly as possible,” the commander-in-chief demanded.

The order didn’t sit well with the military’s brass. Gen. Omar Bradley, a World War II war hero, declared racial equality should come to the military only when it existed in the rest of society.

Kenneth Royall, secretary of the Army, said his service was “not an instrument for social evolution.”

But eventually, boosted by the need for manpower in the Korean War, integration took hold.

Sterrett first experienced the integrated Army in June 1950.

“We were the first unit in Germany to desegregate,” he recalled. “They sent us two white guys. One was from Florida and one was from Indiana.”

Their names were Russell and Jones, Sterrett said, and “overnight” they became just two guys in the unit. No fights. No problems.

Sterrett saw more changes. The military was promoting blacks and giving them responsibility once out of the question.

In the late 1950s, he was working at Ramstein Air Base, Germany, and, he said, was the top enlisted airman in charge of the nuclear weapons stored there.

“This was a showplace. All the distinguished visitors that came to Ramstein, one thing they wanted to see was the special weapons area,” he said.

When the visitors — members of Congress, top military brass and the like — reached the gate, Sterrett was called to escort them on their tour. His appearance, he said, never failed to shock them.



“You should have seen the look on their faces,” he said. “They tried to look like it didn’t surprise them, but I could tell. It surprised them. They couldn’t believe it.”

Sterrett retired in 1965 while serving at RAF Bentwaters in England. He married a British woman and found a job on the local economy.

He later worked for years at RAF Mildenhall and RAF Lakenheath in several capacities. He’s fully retired now, but lives a stone’s throw from RAF Mildenhall, where black officers and black NCOs are as common as foggy winter mornings.

Sterrett doesn’t mind that black military members may take for granted the opportunities they have. These are different times — better times — especially in the military, where opportunities extend beyond being a cook or a baker.

“It’s changed a lot now, but, still, you can do more in the military than you can in the civilian world,” he said.

[Chojin]

what's really holding the queers up is that none of them can make an 'i have a dream' speech withing lisping am i right

[homoperfect]

ok, I hate gay stereotypes. lisping is not that common. I've met a large amount of gays and most of the time you really can't tell. The homosexual community is just as diverse as the straight world we live in. I would understand if a homosexual wanted to join the arm forces. just because a man is gay doesn't mean he can't control his actions. we have women in the military as well as gays. the only difference is women dont have to hide that they're women. I think the armed forces is only hurting their selves with these discriminatory policies. they throw out gay men who have done internet porn? was this done on army time? I think not. Does the pornographic material inhibit their ability to preform their duty? I think not. What a soldier does off duty is thier business. The armed forces wouldn't target a heterosexual who produced pornographic material. Why do it to homosexuals? It is only the homosexuals business,and not the armed forces, what goes on in their bedroom. It makes me sick.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

okay, hear me out.

Wouldn't your username be a lot cooler if it were homoperfecto??? Well!??

[homoperfect]

Perhaps it would...... but it would be gay... and That's a little outta my league! :lol

[Fathom Zero]

I take the Everyone-Can-Die-But-Me Stance. I hate people in general, they take too much time bickering over meaningless topics whilst other more important problems get worse. Who cares about some Gay man who can theoretically turn your rich white kid Timmy gay, while some kid dies in Africa. Isn't it also possible to turn a gay kid straight? Apparently. I just don't get it.

[homoperfect]

My friend, I must laugh first, For a nickname of mine is gay timmy. I agree there are more important issues But first and foremost I must deal with those issues that make the biggest inpact on my life. once I have solve those I will feel comfort in moving on.
I must also state that it is not as easy as just turning gay. That Idea is absurd to me. If it were that easy I wouldn't be gay. Why? because I sometimes can't deal with the issues concerning homosexuals. I want a family. I want to be married. I want a normal life but I have no attraction to the opposite sex. because of this, I have thrown many obsticals into the way of my life long goals. If it were as easy as a choice, honestly, I'd take the easier road.