These anti-war demostrators chained up in NYC

[VinceZeb]

What a bunch of classless un-patriot idiots. What are they trying to prove? The U.S. is over there, and nothing you can do will change that! These people are not treasonish, but they are anti-american. Look at their sponsors, look at their signs! Bush is a murderer and worse than HITLER! We support our troops that shoot their officers? No war but the CLASS war? Look at these people! They are obviously anti-american! They don't argue about us being over there, they fight about capitalism, free enterprise, self-reliance, individual responsability for actions and words, they support and are supported by socalist work groups, communist action groups and front, and the big organizer of it all is made by the World Workers Party! Do I think these demostrators are a bunch of cluess morons who hate our country? YES! Do they deserve to be in jail? NO. They are doing what our Constitution grands them the right to do. I just wish that was the only right that they actually know!

Wait till the troops come home safely, and then convince the people who are for this we are wrong! Right now, shut the fuck up and quit annoying good people who just want to travel to their work, their stores, their families.

Here are what you anti-american anti-war assholes are for:

http://www.rightwingnews.com/shoot.jpg

Here is what the ones who are for the liberation of Iraq and the destruction of its weapons are for:



http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_032603/content/eib_extra.Par.0001.ImageFile.jpg

PFC Joseph DeWitt, 26, from Suffolk County, New York carries an Iraqi boy - injured during Tuesday's heavy battle between the Army's 7th Cavalry Regiment and Iraqi forces - to safety.

[Anonymous]

You're in the camp that stands for stealing pantless little boys?

[Ronnie Raygun]

That is typical of the anti-war crowd to say something like that.

"We support our troops when they shoot their officers"

Shame!

[VinceZeb]

Yeah, Chojin, thats right. Grow the fuck up. With your little DDR pcs and oh wow "Alien Gay Bondage Dog", I bet that helps you get dates and respect, doesnt it.

You are a fucking child. Go play with your tinker toys while the big boys talk about important things.

[Ronnie Raygun]

Cho Cho ain't so bad.

You've got to cut him just a little slack.....

[VinceZeb]

How old is "it"? She/he has to be either 15 years old, mentally or physically.

[Protoclown]

RONNIE! :eek

Oh, thank god that you're back from your little hiatus. :love

[Ronnie Raygun]

THX

[Anonymous]

ENHANCED

[AChimp]

Come on, Chojin. We better leave this thread so the the Conservatives can come up with more ways to take pictures of pantless children.

[VinceZeb]

Hey, no liberal debating of the point once a-gain! Man, you all should be in the funny papers!

[Anonymous]

To hell with photographic evidence; just knowing that our boys are actively assisting in the transportation of unpanted youngsters abroad causes me to swell with pride.

[Anonymous]

You are a fucking moron. You cannot equate Military with civilians. The Military does what they are told. Dissention is the privilage and responsibility of the civilian.

[VinceZeb]

Dissention is a privelege and a responsability, but guess what moron, ACTIONS HAVE CONQUENCES! Dissent is not breaking the law by blocking traffic of people that have to work, go to stores, churches, hospitals!

They have every right to dissent, it is in our Constitution. But rights protected by the Constituion are not a substitue for using your damn common sense and they sure as shit are not a subsutitue for individual responsability.

[Anonymous]

I agree. People should only be able to have opposing opinions where and when we allow it.

[Anonymous]

ahaha ok ok I get it.
Pinko liberals are for people breaking laws and you are for soldiers carrying little kids. Gotcha. That was brilliantly poetic and right on the money! Though, if I might give an artistic critique - might I suggest you use an image of a law breaking Pinko liberal protester getting arrested instead of the image with the sign?

[Abcdxxxx]

Hey Vince - dissent is a right in any of it's forms and it CAN be through methods involving law breaking.

It's not simply about war at all.... and that's the problem. If it was just an anti-war movement then so be it... but instead you've got a billion agendas wrapped up in it...

I think they're very American... but I also think it puts us at danger. They're attempting to choke our streets and effect pocketbooks at a time when we are already in a recession, and we're already stretching our Police department thin. If NY gets attacked again, those same cops are going to be the ones standing on the streets trying to protect us.

[FS]

Here are what you anti-american anti-war assholes are for:

AH THANKS VINCE

I WAS NOT AWARE WHAT WE WERE FOR BUT NOW I AM.

PLEASE, IF YOU FIND ANY MORE THINGS WE ANTI-AMERICAN ANTI-WAR ASSHOLES ARE FOR DON'T HESTITATE TO POST IT, I WOULD BE VERY GRATEFUL TO FIND OUT.

When are you going to get it through your doughy skull that war protestors are not an organization on its own, not a political party or a religious cult following exact doctrine? The great big bad liberal bastard collective does not meet on Wednesdays and Fridays to discuss what they're going to put on their signs and what they stand for. There's going to be fools at protests who write uninformed tripe on their signs because they're only there to piss people off or make themselves feel good. Nobody controls it. You must come across some people who share certain ideas with you, yet you don't agree with everything they say. Er, I mean, they must be misinformed about some things you are correctly informed about.

[VinceZeb]

The war protestors are naive, you morons on this board are naive. Good enough link for me.

Yes, breaking the law and infringing on my rights is protected under the Constitution. No, it isnt. Sorry. Right only go as far as to not infringe on other rights.

Yes, the big peace protests. Like in Jordan where they chanted about the death of Israel and Sharon is a Nazi. Wonder why there are never stories about the supporters of these protests? Because they are Communists, boys and girls! Even Kohn, one of the main guys at your favorite sources site, the Nation, says it isnt red bating, becuase, yes in deed, they be red! Now, I have sat down and have watched these rallies. They scream about Bush being hitler, Bush being a terrorist, a free Palenstine (which has a lot to do with Iraq), free the cop killers, create a socalist utopia, no war but the class war, should I go on?

Where is the peace? If they marched for peace, they would march for Saddam to leave Iraq? Please explain to me this mentallity of the peace protest, because it is obvious I don't have a clue about it!

[Ronnie Raygun]

I feel sorry for that kid.

However, he has a better chance at a better life than his parents and grandparents.

[mburbank]

What could you possibly know about Vinnie's parents and Grandparents?

[VinceZeb]

I'll tell you a little about my grandparents, Max.

If it wasnt for their sacrafices, your entire people would most likely be ashes in a concentration camp. :/

[sspadowsky]

*grabs popcorn*

Ooohhh, this oughta be good.
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[FS]

I bet they wrote more angry letters to their newspaper than you can shake a stick at!

[VinceZeb]

I'm not trying to be a punk, but I am bringing up a point.

My grandfather served in WWII. My great grandparents were italian immigrants who had their weapons and their voting rights taken away. If my grandfather wasnt in the military, they probably would have been in an Italian internment camp *suprise suprise, they did exist*.

To listen to my grandfather tell stories about fighting in north Africa were amazing. To listen to what he saw when they discovered a holocaust camp while in Europe was something that I won't think I will ever forget. It made me have nightmares when I was a younger kid. From that point on, I learned that evil can not be equal to good. I do not believe in yin-yang, centrism or any of that crap. I believe evil shoud be crushed and destroyed before it has a chance to grow. We should have went into N. Korea, we should have fought to win in Vietnam. Children of the childrens children we may have killed would not had to suffer under evil.

I hate evil. Id take a swing at Lucifer if I had the chance. But I wont sit here and let someone demean me about my obession with war and doing whats right.

I don't want another WTC. I don't want Isael pushed into the sea. I don't want to serve under a Muslim theocrocy.

You can not think like evil. You can not tolerate true evil. If someone breaks into my house, and threatens me and my roomates, I do not ask nicely for the attacker to not do anything. I get up, grab a bat or a knife, and end the invasion.

I simply believe this time and age is one we can not brush off becuase someone does not like the president. We are fighting an evil that will want to destroy us. Islamic fundamentalist do not care if you hate bush or think we should not protect Israel, if you are not Muslim, you ARE DEAD! They do not think in color, they think in black and white terms: You convert, or you DIE.

I'm sorry if I come of as a racist warmonger that believes the sky is falling. If we don't cut off the head of the hydra, we will be crushed. I don't plan on being crushed.

[mburbank]

Okay, first, I was responding to Ronnie, not you Vince. It was a joke. He made a comment about feeling bad for 'that kid' and thinking he'd be better off than his grandparents. I deliberately took it out of context as if he'd been calling you "That poor kid". The way you'd know this is that it came right after Ronnies post AND not everyone is always talking to you.

I'm grateful for what your Grandfather did, and people like him, like mine, one of the first American Doctors into Auschwitz and broiefly personal surgeon to your idol and CRAZY motherfucker, Patton.

Your comments about ashes are of course exactly what I'd expect. What's tht word you fling around? Classless? Thanks for the demo, Fatty.

"Id take a swing at Lucifer if I had the chance."
And you went to Ozfest. Settle down, Vinny. I'm already as impressed as I'm gooing to get.

"I wont sit here and let someone demean me about my obession with war and doing whats right."
Sure you will. What do you propose to do about it? Talk me to death?

"I don't want another WTC. I don't want Isael pushed into the sea. I don't want to serve under a Muslim theocrocy. "
Me neither. It's your solutions I disagree with.

"I get up, grab a bat or a knife, and end the invasion."
If you are ever involved in violent crime, let me know what you do. Unless, conveniently, you have a nice story about you saving the day to suddenly put on the table. The time I got held up at gunpoint here's what I did. Gave them my money. I didn't actually find myself thinking at all. What can I say, I'm an air headed pussy. When you've actually found yourself looking at gun get back to me.

"They do not think in color, they think in black and white terms"
I'm sorry, isn't that what your so proud of yourself about?

"I don't plan on being crushed."
Tell me what you're going to do. Because taqlking loudly and being REALY supportive doesn't stop anything. I don't want to be crushed either and you CANNOT BELIEVE THE TEMPTATION TO MAKE A FAT JOKE RIGHT NOW but I don't think invading Iraq has one iota to do with avoiding being crushed. They want a holy war. You want to give it to them. The way I see it, you play right into their hands.

Out of respect for your grandparents, I won't cut and paste any of the horrendous sentences you wrote in this post into my thread on how if you're intelligent you ought to show it.

[Anonymous]

Vince why do you keep bringing up (about 500 times now) how someone(s?) in your family were in the military as if that makes your opinions more valid than anyone elses?

[VinceZeb]

Doopa, its called having pride in your family. Now I know you don't have that or they have any pride in you, but don't be so sad. Your message board quips should be prideful enough!

What could you possibly know about Vinnie's parents and Grandparents?

I guess I can't read what people say and comment on something they could say. And you were trying to be a jerk. So I shut your mouth. And you ought to be grateful for my grandfather's sacrafices. Althought I bet you yourself wouldn't be a lampshade or ashes. You probably would have been a nice slave, considering the French military could probably beat your ass.

Sorry Im not trying to build some kind of credability with you. Wasnt me that keeps bringing concerts I go to back up.



So max, what is your big solution to solving a wave of Muslim Fundimentalist that want to destroy us? Kind words? Althought know you, your ass would be chanting Allah Akbar the first 5 seconds after they invaded your home.

But out of everything, I'm interested in what you would do to stop the Muslim Fundies. The ones that wont stop until they are showed that we are more powerful. Even that wont stop them, most likely. Please, tell me how the big bad Max would take care of them.

Sorry, bud, but they consider it a holy war. And no matter your view on it, your throat is cut no matter what you think or believe.

[Vibecrewangel]

If they marched for peace, they would march for Saddam to leave Iraq?

The answer to this is very simple. Saddam doesn't cares what we think. Bush should.


I don't have numbers to back it up, but it seems the liberals also want Saddam out of power. Their issue is with the way it is being done.

Is that so hard to grasp?

[Anonymous]

And you ought to be grateful for my grandfather's sacrafices. Althought I bet you yourself wouldn't be a lampshade or ashes. You probably would have been a nice slave, considering the French military could probably beat your ass.

Family pride at it's finest

[Anonymous]

From that point on, I learned that evil can not be equal to good.
THE BOY LEARNS FAST :(

[mburbank]

"So I shut your mouth."
Are you insane? Look at my mouth. open.

And as I said, I am grateful for your grandfather's sacrafices, though I could wish he'd sacraficed his reproductive capabilities while he was sacraficing.

Ahhh. A Lampshade joke. Nothing says class like a lampshade joke. Hey, jumbo, if you'd been there, they coulda made made a Circus tent! Becuase you have lots of skin! Becuase you are fat, and when the Nazis cleaved off youy skin for making a lampshade, they'd have had lots to work with!

"Sorry Im not trying to build some kind of credability with you."
How about building up some credability, period?

"So max, what is your big solution to solving a wave of Muslim Fundimentalist that want to destroy us?"
Just so you don't get all uppitty about me not taking your seriously. Lord knows it's an effort. First of all, I'd put some of my war cash into homeland security and put it in cops on the beat and firemen. Right now my local police force is down a lot of guys off fighting the people of a very nasty but fairly secular country called Iraw, and that's got them all tied up. Then I'd get our troops out of Saudi Arabia, becuase they're presence there is a big source of the tension between us and the Islamic world. Then I'd work on a peace treaty in Israel becuase daily footage of Palestinians getting run over by bulldozers and living permanently in refugee camps breeds terrorirst like stagnant water breeds mosquitos. Then I'd leverage trade with our various freindly dictator states in the gulf becuase they lean on their populations and the ony vent they allow them is hatred of America. I'd make damn sure I stopped funfing Islamic Extremist groups in places I tought they'd make trouble for other folks I didn't like the way we did in Pakistan and Afgjanistan. Then I'd make it clear the United States was in favor of a Kurdish state. Then I'd start a Manhattan project for alternatives to fossil fuel. In the meantime, I'd handle any terrorist attacks that did take place like the brutal crimes they are and not as acts of war. Now that might do the trick. But I'll tell you what. Unless you plan to kill every Muslim over there, our current strategy is just making more fundamentalist terrorsist daily.

Did I take you seriously enough, Submarine boy? You may not like my solution but how many times are you going to trot out that Bullshit about how "All you people do is complain! What you gonna do! Hah! I knew y'all din't have no answer!"

What are YOU going to do? I'll tell you. Not one damn thing. Sit there and croak like a bullfrog about what you'll stand for and what you won't. I'm working for my vision. What are you doing for yours?

What would I do about the Fundies? Work on the miserable conditions that create them. So there might be less of them. Attack theirfunding, catch them whenever I could and put cops on the beat and firemen in the firehouses. I'm not big or bad. See, I believe that conditions are good, like here in the USA, your fundies restrict themselevs to running TV stations and hating gay people. I think if you made Pat Robertson live on a garbage pile, he'd be as dangerous as any towel head in a week.

"they consider it a holy war."
So do you. You're both nuts.

"And no matter your view on it, your throat is cut no matter what you think or believe."
Well, I hope I'm lucky enough to have a tough guy vigilante Submarine boy with a baseball bat who isn't afraid of anything but the IRS and Hives watching my back and making wisecracks about people's skin being used for Lampshades.

[ItalianStereotype]

Then I'd work on a peace treaty in Israel becuase daily footage of Palestinians getting run over by bulldozers and living permanently in refugee camps breeds terrorirst like stagnant water breeds mosquitos.

i do believe that the intent to establish a palestinian state was recently announced...

[mburbank]

See, I think that's just chin music on the part of the Bush administration. I'd like to see something that oes beyond a declaration.

[ItalianStereotype]

would an election do it?

[Ronnie Raygun]

"I'll tell you a little about my grandparents, Max.

If it wasnt for their sacrafices, your entire people would most likely be ashes in a concentration camp." - Vince

Brilliant!

[mburbank]

Accept it has no impact whatvere on anything I've been saying, which you'd know if you read instead of scanned, or comprehended how the verbs and nouns you did read formed sentences.

I am grateful to the Grandfather who fought WWII including mine as I've already stated.

As I've also stated, I'd have been even more greatful if some great grandfathers who were politicians as opposed to hapless soldiers had crafted a resolution to WWI that would have held instead of punitively crippling germany and creating a fetid stagnant pond in which facism could breed and multiply like a swam of mosquitos.

Naldo, you only compound Vincey poos cheapening of the Holocaust by rducing it to support of your personal argument.

[Ronnie Raygun]

"I am grateful to the Grandfather who fought WWII including mine as I've already stated."

You pretty much had to say that after getting blasted by Vince. What else are you going to say? ....."Fuck em'."....?

"Naldo, you only compound Vincey poos cheapening of the Holocaust by rducing it to support of your personal argument."

I don't know. I don't think anyone could cheapen it anymore than you have.

It's O.K. Maxi Pad. Just move on and try to forget it.

[mburbank]

Maxi Pad. I don't know wether to be blown out of the water by your stratling originality or awed by the sheer Christian virtue of giving me a nickname based ona feminine hygiene product.

Gosh, Nald's, you caught me out here. I guess I'm not grateful to folks who fought in WWII. Why? Because I couldn't give a crap about concentration camps. I'm just that bad.

Vinnie poos "MY GRANDFATHER FOUGHT IN THE BIG ONE" entitles him to absolutely nothing. As Proto pointed out, most of our Grandfathers did. You're not reading his posts, you're not reading mine. Your skimming just enough to get a general sense of which way the animosity flows and piling on. Another What Would Jesus Do moment.

You opinion and on my heritage? Uniformed, ignorant, and ultimately beside the point.

To me all you are right now is the guy who can't admit when he's wrong even when he knows it, and the li'l choir boy who just said 'fuck'. You kiss your mother with that mouth?

[VinceZeb]

Just so you don't get all uppitty about me not taking your seriously. Lord knows it's an effort. First of all, I'd put some of my war cash into homeland security and put it in cops on the beat and firemen. Right now my local police force is down a lot of guys off fighting the people of a very nasty but fairly secular country called Iraw, and that's got them all tied up. Then I'd get our troops out of Saudi Arabia, becuase they're presence there is a big source of the tension between us and the Islamic world. Then I'd work on a peace treaty in Israel becuase daily footage of Palestinians getting run over by bulldozers and living permanently in refugee camps breeds terrorirst like stagnant water breeds mosquitos. Then I'd leverage trade with our various freindly dictator states in the gulf becuase they lean on their populations and the ony vent they allow them is hatred of America. I'd make damn sure I stopped funfing Islamic Extremist groups in places I tought they'd make trouble for other folks I didn't like the way we did in Pakistan and Afgjanistan. Then I'd make it clear the United States was in favor of a Kurdish state. Then I'd start a Manhattan project for alternatives to fossil fuel. In the meantime, I'd handle any terrorist attacks that did take place like the brutal crimes they are and not as acts of war. Now that might do the trick. But I'll tell you what. Unless you plan to kill every Muslim over there, our current strategy is just making more fundamentalist terrorsist daily.

Nice solutions, but the source of it isnt answered. What are you going to do about the terrorists? You said what you want to do about them later on in the future, but right now. And if you had not already read, I have explained what I do and what I am doing to make sure my way is the way we take, so please quit assuming that I don't do my part for my causes..

We stop funding Islamic terrorists. Good. We get out troops out of Saudi Arabia. Been for that for a while. Do we go back to the U.N.? Do we pre-emptively attack countries when we have the info? And what do we do about the fundies that are around. And Pat Robinson is in no way like these guys. The last time I checked, I never say on the 700 Club that gays should be slaughtered with Christian suicide bombers, so your moral equivlency is not compatable.

And of course, you had to go and insult me again instead of just answering the question.

[mburbank]

Well, you make it almost impossible NOT to insult you. But That's coming from an air headed pussy, so please, take it with a grain of Myrh.

Your reading comprehension is no more a strong point than your sentence structure.

What does 'more cops on the beat' mean to you? You cut off future funding as best you can, you freeze assets as best you can, you curtail the developement of new terrorist as best you can though your foreign policy, and you do your damndest to catch terrorists. You don't deplete your domestic security and the country's bank account to fight a war that breeds terrorists. Alied intelligence forces, our own intelligence forces and a strong domestic police force will do a hell of lot more against terrorist than this war ever will. That's what you do about terrorists. Again, disagree if you want, but stop saying I'm not answring the question just because you're not reading the answer.

[Ronnie Raygun]

"and the li'l choir boy who just said 'fuck'. You kiss your mother with that mouth?" - Maxi

I'm typing, not speaking.

[mburbank]

Your right. I think Jesus would agree that saying 'fuck' out loud is very nasty, but typing the word is great.

You touch your mother with the hnad that typed that word?

[Ronnie Raygun]

"hnad"?

[Protoclown]

Oh ho! Good one, Ronnie! Golly, you sure got him on the ropes now!

[AntiMaster]

I saw a guy with a "Nuke their ass & take their gas" sticker the other day & thought of Vince. I could've taken a picture of it, posted on the net & called all right wingers on it. "See, typical right wing bigotry". However, I realize that classification for the purpose of furthering one's agenda, classism & sensationalism are copyrighted by the conservatives & I'd probably get sued.

Vinnie: What are you going to do about the terrorists?

Well let's see, maybe we can start by not creating any more, e.g. killing Iraqi's & producing a new generation of America haters. Look into your history books to see whether there were any islamic terrorists attacking the U.S. 4 decades ago. What happened to these guys? A sudden burst of testorone or could it be our foreign policy that produced islamic fundamentalist terrorists.

[mburbank]

Good one, Naldo.


It doesn't change the fact that you are a grubby boy who uses grubby words.

Did Jesus say
"Take the fucking beam out of your eye"?

No sir. He did not. Even when he was very mad, I'm fairly certain Jesus set a better example than that. You should be ashamed.