YAY!!

[Lotida]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/lotida/thewall.jpg

[Lotida]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/lotida/13bc71ed.jpg

[Marc Summers]

2nd picture is wicked awesome :eek
I'm not being sarcastic >:

[Lotida]

Thank you!! She has really gotten better this year and I am so proud of her!! :)

[King Hadas]

I like the cat too.

How old is your daughter Lotida?

[Misdemonar]

isn't that the cat from alice?

[MLE]

an artistic crit for your daughter:

hey there, it looks like you cut corners a bit in the less interesting parts of the pictures and smudged. I personally think that if you take your time on the entire picture as a whole instead of piece by piece, it'll come out much much better.

This isn't to say that doing part by partand smudging don't have their place. I just think that if you spent more time on these and varied your grey tones more, you'd have two very excellent pieces. I like the composition on the cheshire cat more than the first picture.

[MetalMilitia]

Did you run out of space on the fridge door so you had to post it on the internet instead :eek

[Schimid]

I recognize the walking hammers in the first picture, but I can't remember from where.

[Spectre X]

Pink Floyd's The Wall.

[Lotida]

Did you run out of space on the fridge door so you had to post it on the internet instead :eek

I tried to mail them directly to everyone's house but I ran out of stamps!

[Lotida]

isn't that the cat from alice?

Yes it is! :)

[Supafly345]

The first picture is basically a mishmash of identically copied wall images, but you need some talent to be able to draw what you see definitely.

But blending, blech.

[Rez]

the wall, though?
:/

talent like that shouldn't waste its time on infantile crap like the wall...

[Lotida]

the wall, though?
:/

talent like that shouldn't waste its time on infantile crap like the wall...

My daughter is young and is just now discovering Pink Floyd. :/

[ziggytrix]

You can go fuck yourself Rez. Gerald Scarfe's artwork in The Wall is fantastic.

Neither as a film nor as an album is The Wall deserving of a dismissive judgement of "infantile crap".

[MLE]

I think he meant the obsessive copying shit that hippie teenagers do when they first discover pink floyd.

[ziggytrix]

well, kids singing "We Don't Need No Education" cuz they think it's about not liking having to go to school is pretty fuckin annoying.

[MLE]

I think you understand his view now.

I don't think lotida's daughter is one that really grasps the concepts behind the songs.

[Lotida]

I don't think lotida's daughter is one that really grasps the concepts behind the songs.

I don't think you know my daughter at all to make that statement. I bet you that she "grasps the concepts behind the songs" way more than most.

She loves Pink Floyd and made that one picture as part of an art project. I would hardly call that obsessive. :rolleyes

[Rez]

now stop it.


mle, as true as that is, i really did mean it in the way that ziggytrix took offense at. i think the wall, the movie moreso than the album, is a flimsily excused pile of hollow pomp with about 30 minutes of worthwhile songs and 50 minutes of waters strongarming his ridiculous puppetry through it.

and before anyone says that i just dont get it, i say the man can't be as impenetrable as you make him out to be, because whoever created something like "Radio KAOS" is obviously a tremendous jackass with occasional flashes of tolerable noise.

because in the flesh is still an amazing peice of work

mom tried to foist this self-congratulatory record on me since i was 5, i bought it for ten years until i realized that i was beginning to feel really uncomfortable because, innately, it's so ridiculously naff that i couldn't take it seriously anymore.

so what i'm saying is that her daughter's talents (because she's damn good) focusing on copying the cover to the wall and other idolized music imagery from way back when is about one or two notches up from anime.

stuff it
>:

[Lotida]

Did I mention she won first place in her school's art competition!!


:party

[ziggytrix]

Impenetrable? Hardly. The deliciously ironic thing about the film is that Waters hated it beacause he "felt no sympathy at all with the lead character". He doesn't or refuses to get that the character half based on himself is a weenie and a jerk!

If you go thru life without being betrayed by someone you love, without being abused by an authority figure, or missing a proper father or mother figure, then you probably haven't really lived yet. The "poor me, my life is so bad" thing is a fairly normal and, yes, adolescent reaction, but I never said Waters was anything more than a decent musician, and that this film was something more than just "infantile crap".

If you didn't like it, that's fine. Nobody has to like anything. But you didn't say you don't like it - a statement which I would not have responded to, for whatever that's worth. You're being, in my opinion, absurdly dismissive of something you've decided you don't like.

By the way "it's so ridiculously naff that i couldn't take it seriously anymore." That's gold, right there.

[MLE]

I offered the most honest critique for your daughter and you didn't bat an eye, but I proposed that since you daughter was young I wasn't sure she knew the real meanings behind the song, and you lash out. I think you just made this thread mainly to get attention for yourself -not for your daughter.

[Lotida]

How would sharing her drawings get attention for me? Like I want your attention??? Quite frankly MLE, I could care less what you think. Get over yourself.

[Immortal Goat]

If you could care less about what she thought, you wouldn't have responded at all.

Also, your daughter's good, but yeah, she needs to get over the smudging and the copying of other's work. If you really want to impress us with your daughter's greatness, show us some original works. Until then, it's just tracing. Damn good, but still, tracing.

[MLE]

If you were sharing these for your daughter's benefit, you would have commented somewhat on the critique I gave (since it was the only indepth critique thus far) instead of blowing up at the (not intended to be, but I can see how you could see it as) "offensive" comment. I honestly only meant the comment to be pertaining to her age, but whatever.

From what you've shown us, I'd say she's in her copying phase. This is where I'd give more honest artistic feedback on how she can improve, but I don't think that what you want. Here's a comment I think you'd like much better, but I don't really mean it.


"It's so awesome that your daughter got that award! You must be an awesome mother!"



By the way, I'm only being a cunt now because you were first, and it was completely uncalled for. Consider it even. I'm usually not a bitch in Art Shit, but you bring it out in me somehow.

[Lotida]

*sigh*

I am impressed with my daughter's greatness and so are the judges at her school apparently. She has tons of other things... she can draw and she paints. These two pieces she uploaded in the computer to show her cousin. Stupid me thought it would be fun to share them here since some people are always bitching about me not seriously contributing anything.

These two pieces were a little more difficult than just tracing by the way... anyone can trace a picture. Both of these pictures are framed in poster size frames. :rolleyes

It all boils down to the same thing... Some people will try to start an argument over the smallest things.

[Lotida]

If you were sharing these for your daughter's benefit, you would have commented somewhat on the critique I gave

By the way, I'm only being a cunt now because you were first, and it was completely uncalled for. Consider it even. I'm usually not a bitch in Art Shit, but you bring it out in me somehow.

First of all, I don't know much about art to have a intelligent conversation about what you were commenting on in your critique. I wasn't offended by it... but what was I supposed to say?

It's funny how I am always being mean to you and "it's always completely uncalled for". Whatever.

For your information, I am an awesome mother and I could care less if you know it or not. You are nothing more than words on a computer screen to me.

[MLE]

It's super easy to trace/copy to a larger size. It's all tricks, not skill. I'm not saying you can't be proud of her for that, but I tried to give you feedback (which I thought you wanted since you posted in art shit) and you dismissed me until I made a comment you could take offense at -even though I didn't mean it.

No more art critiques for you unless you specifically say you'd want them from me. Otherwise I'll just ignore you from now on in Art Shit, cause you're not going to want anything else from me in here, apparently.

[Lotida]

It's super easy to trace/copy to a larger size. It's all tricks, not skill.

Yea, ok. Everyone can draw like that... well except me. Everyone else can though. Whatever.


I'm not saying you can't be proud of her for that, but I tried to give you feedback (which I thought you wanted since you posted in art shit) and you dismissed me until I made a comment you could take offense at -even though I didn't mean it.

I think I already answered this statement.

[Supafly345]

I won art contests before due to the competition's incompetance. Honestly, in every highschool there are usually only 1 or 2 people who can actually draw.

Having said that, if she is serious about art: no respectable artist would turn in copied work in a contest or even as an assignment for highschool art class and be able to live with themselves.

[Lotida]

I won art contests before due to the competition's incompetance. Honestly, in every highschool there are usually only 1 or 2 people who can actually draw.

Having said that, if she is serious about art: no respectable artist would turn in copied work in a contest or even as an assignment for highschool art class and be able to live with themselves.

I am sorry I tried to contribute something other than responding to the usual crap people post on here.

Let me see if I can put it in terms you all seem to enjoy and understand...

Fuck off and die cunts!!

:)

[MLE]

One last thing, cause you don't seem to get it.

People aren't going to sugar coat things here. Even in art shit. People are giving their honest opinions and you can't take it. Oh well! Maybe you should have considered your audience before posting it, or tried to give some sort of thanks for the positive artistic reception it got.

[Lotida]

One last thing, cause you don't seem to get it.

People aren't going to sugar coat things here. Even in art shit. People are giving their honest opinions and you can't take it. Oh well! Maybe you should have considered your audience before posting it, or tried to give some sort of thanks for the positive artistic reception it got.

Finally a piece of advice I can use... I need to consider my audience. I will remember that the next time I feel the need to be serious about anything and share.

One last thing cuz you don't seem to get what I am saying.....

I didn't comment on the helpful critiquing because I don't know anything about art. I don't see how these comments could help her artistically though. But I'm sure you meant them in the nicest possible way. You are always so misunderstood.

I think he meant the obsessive copying shit that hippie teenagers do when they first discover pink floyd.

and

I don't think lotida's daughter is one that really grasps the concepts behind the songs.

[Chojin]

There's plenty of constructive criticism in this thread, you just are choosing to ignore it.

That said, I didn't think this was a 'help my daughter improve' thread so much as it was a 'lookit here' thread so I didn't drop in my ANALYSIS. But our resident art fags are gonna do that to everything in this forum and you should have known that by now.

[Lotida]

That said, I didn't think this was a 'help my daughter improve' thread so much as it was a 'lookit here' thread so I didn't drop in my ANALYSIS.

Send in the troops...lol

You are exactly correct. She won the art show that day and she had uploaded these and I thought I would share.... I was feeling pretty proud... and still am.

I don't mind comments to help someone improve but it's wasted on me.... like I said, I am not an artist. Admit it.. not all comments were made to help her improve so don't be surprised when they get what they got... get it?

[Chojin]

Actually I was posting more or less in defense of your position ;< I think the pictures look nice and if you daughter comes on here either directly or by proxy for tips then I'll submit some but it's obvious that there's talent of some description present.

[Immortal Goat]

Oh, there's definitely talent, and if what Lotida says about her original compositions (I am only guessing that they are originals and not more copies), then more power to her. But don't expect this forum to be your digital refridgerator where people will just say "oh yeah, that looks nice". This forum is typically used for art critique, and for better or worse, that's what you're going to get here.

And as you have found out, nobody here shugarcoats anything. I found that out rather quickly, as well, and didn't take to well to it, either. But then I realized that it was beneficial for me to not always keep hearing "Oh yeah, that looks nice". You NEED to hear the bad stuff about your art, or else you will not improve. Your daughter has talent. That doesn't mean that you would be helping her by constantly telling her how perfect her pictures are, or else 20 years from now, she'll still be drawing the same copies of album art.

[ScruU2wice]

One of my favorite things is watch arguments about things turn into arguments about the argument..

[Rez]

yeah, truckloads of fun..

i must say lotida, you're being an awful bitch about this. MLE has a point and knows quite a lot to post here legitimately. and you're stuck defending yourself for the same reason you posted this thread. you didnt get what you wanted, so all of a sudden we're an audience you need a language for.
get fucked, lady.
as much as i hate hearing things like "i dont undertand what you mean by doing this or what you're intending to do"it's three times better than "oh, that looks real nice"
"i dont understand, its awful, lol" as frustrating as it is, at least tells me something about how clear i am about my objectives whenever i do create something. maybe i dont quite understand what i'm after, maybe i need to scale down that ambition and build from there to get a more refined, more pointed response.
"oh it looks nice" just discourages me from getting better frankly. i dont think it just looks nice. i'm alwys trying to evoke something, and 9/10 times it's not totally successful, so i'd like to know where i went too obtuse.
because i'm hella modernist like that.

i'm just asking for your daughter to have more ambition than her retarded peers for talent like that.

[Lotida]

i must say lotida, you're being an awful bitch about this. MLE has a point and knows quite a lot to post here legitimately. and you're stuck defending yourself for the same reason you posted this thread. you didnt get what you wanted, so all of a sudden we're an audience you need a language for.
get fucked, lady.

Get fucked yourself Rez. I am not asking that everyone tell me they were great..... everyone has their own opinions on what is good and what sucks. There is a difference between being constructive and just making stupid comments. If you notice I didn't respond until the comments were getting stupid, if you can't see that then you are a bigger asshole then you sound in this post.

And I do realize that people need to hear how they need to improve... that's what her art teachers are for and what I am eventually going to be paying her college tuition for. Me, I don't over analyze... I just enjoy them!

[Rez]

so you admit you ignored anything constructive and took whatever flame-bait came your way.

nice. usually it's supposed to work the other way around, but i guess being self-righteous has its priorities :/

[Lotida]

so you admit you ignored anything constructive and took whatever flame-bait came your way.

nice. usually it's supposed to work the other way around, but i guess being self-righteous has its priorities :/

Are you fucking stupid Rez... seriously are you? Did you not read this thread at all? Were you just looking for an argument to jump into?? Let me recap for you, dickhead...

I read the constructive just fine... I didn't respond because I can't intelligently speak about art. I am not an artist and didn't know what to say. I didn't respond negatively either because I didn't think they were being negative at that point.

I do see that you admit some "flame-bait" did come my way and it was not all constructive advice. That is why I responded the way I did!! DUH!!!

Now that you've made a total ass out of yourself and helped prove my point. Do yourself a favor and take some of my advice. Don't jump into something you can't talk intelligently about. You wouldn't look like such a fucknut right now if you'd had learned that in the beginning!! Fucking retard! >:

[Rez]

so you admit you ignored anything constructive and took whatever flame-bait came your way.

nice. usually it's supposed to work the other way around, but i guess being self-righteous has its priorities :/

Are you fucking stupid Rez... seriously are you? Did you not read this thread at all? Were you just looking for an argument to jump into?? Let me recap for you, dickhead...

(bitchy, self-excusing noise)

>:

yeah, that'll encourage me to take you seriously and consider your defense of attention seeking seriously.

:rolleyes

[Rez]

I read the constructive just fine... I didn't respond because I can't intelligently speak about art. I am not an artist and didn't know what to say. I didn't respond negatively either because I didn't think they were being negative at that point.

I do see that you admit some "flame-bait" did come my way and it was not all constructive advice. That is why I responded the way I did!! DUH!!!

Now that you've made a total ass out of yourself and helped prove my point. Do yourself a favor and take some of my advice. Don't jump into something you can't talk intelligently about. You wouldn't look like such a fucknut right now if you'd had learned that in the beginning!! Fucking retard! >:

but i had to read the rest since this was deliciously retarded.

you continue to admit that this thread was for your own personal ends and not really for what art shit was about by your zealous responses to flame-bait and utter silence to helpful criticism. the opposite of what anyone taking this place seriously would do. you're just admitting you dont know shit, came in here expecting some words of "congrats" and instead we all lamented that this kid had such a dumbass mom. congrats, mom. mom of the year, your kid can DRAW. and so you look for purposefully negative comments to jump on because you can't defend any actual CONTENT.

you seem lost :/

so what can't i talk intelligently about? arguing? the fine politics of acting victimized and jumping on phrases while missing the point and calling everyone else retarded?

[color=cyan][/lol]

[Lotida]

Rez, you're a dumbass. Your comments prove over and over that you didn't read this thread and you just want to start an argument. You've already helped me prove my point... I am done going back and forth with a fucking retard like you who doesn't know what the fuck he is saying. You are stirring up shit just to watch it swirl.

In case you are so fucking stupid you can't understand exactly what I am saying, let me be real clear. You are a worthless piece of shit and not worthy of my time... i'm done with you! Have a great day!

[sadie]

surprisingly, this has turned into an interesting thread. carry on.

[Rez]

did you read her last comment? she said she was done with me... she used me all up by repeating herself and being shrill and crazy like a tourist who lost all her money in a country she hates anyway.

just to prove she was extra done, she ventured in the tape tree thread and sullied my name some more just to let everyone know how totally over me she was.
because she's DONE.
so in case you dont get it sadie, it's done

[Immortal Goat]

I guess that means you win, Rez. Because if she were to recant on that promise, and comment on you again, then she would be nothing more than an attention seeking bi...

Nevermind, Rez. You've still got some self-serving bitchy color-coded arguing coming your way.

BTW, Lotida, I hope your daughter doesn't turn out anything like you when she's older. Then, maybe, she'll be a well-balanced, understanding individual.

[Rez]

i dont need to win, i'd rather that woman saw what a petulant ass she was acting like. how she posted a decent thread that devolved into "arguing about the argument" because she totally misused this place and turned into a baby when it didnt go her way.

that last post of hers makes her sound like the prank callers i messed around with last night, and they couldnt be more than 12 YEARS OLD.


and this person is a mother

just kinda sad in the end, really.

[sadie]

until you stick the fork in, whether it's done is anyone's guess.

[Immortal Goat]

Are you suggesting that maybe the reason Lotida is such a bitch is because of all of her discomfort from masturbating with a fork?

[Lotida]

Nah, I'm such a bitch because I feel compelled to call someone out when they are being a jackass to try and impress all their little dumbass buddies. I'll give him credit though... it works! You were impressed!!

That and I'm a mother! :)

[MLE]

Lotida, if you just wanted to show off her work, you should have done it in GB. Instead, you posted in Art Shit.

We gave you criticism, which you still haven't thanked us for talking the time to do it, and you ignored it. Criticism is what this board is for. If you don't like that, then stop posting here and go back to mock wars.

There is no need to continue this arguement. She just wanted a show-off thread and she posted it in the wrong place to get that. Make new arguements or shut up. I don't want to read the same shit over and over. This is the one board I don't want ridiculous flaming, unless it's over a titty artist.

[Esuohlim]

Wait why did you take the pictures down? I didn't see them yet. Are you no longer proud of her?

[MLE]

See, now there's a new arguement. I'll let that slide.

[Lotida]

Lotida, if you just wanted to show off her work, you should have done it in GB. Instead, you posted in Art Shit.

We gave you criticism, which you still haven't thanked us for talking the time to do it, and you ignored it. Criticism is what this board is for. If you don't like that, then stop posting here and go back to mock wars.

There is no need to continue this arguement. She just wanted a show-off thread and she posted it in the wrong place to get that. Make new arguements or shut up. I don't want to read the same shit over and over. This is the one board I don't want ridiculous flaming, unless it's over a titty artist.

Are you really that ignorant or are you just being a bitch for the hell of it? I can't help it if you didn't read my earlier explanations. Quite frankly, I am offended that you haven't thanked me for taking the time to type if over and over in simple terms so you can understand it.

For the record Milhouse, I took them down because I made a huge mistake sharing a something from my personal life with you all. I am not going to continue to argue about my daughters drawings.

[MLE]

:lol I didn't even say anything ignorant and I wasn't being bitchy. I'm just tired of everyone (including you) repeating themselves. If anyone else has a different gripe/criticism/comment, that's great, but really. I want ALL of you guys to shut it on the old arguement.

[Terra]

Is this going to Mock Wars now?

Lotida I'm sorry I didn't get to see the pictures. :(

[Lotida]

Lotida I'm sorry I didn't get to see the pictures. :(

Terra... go look back on the first page. I put them back up! :)

[Terra]

Lotida those are awesome!!! How old is your daugther? I've done some pencil etchings myself when I was younger. I'll scan them and I would love to send them to you. They aren't anywhere near as good as your daughter's however!

You rock momma!!!!

[Lotida]

Thanks for the praise Terra! Apparently, that was all I was looking for!

Seriously though, she is really into drawing, painting and photograhy. My Grandmother and my sister are both artists and she must have inherited the skill from them. Me... I can't even draw a stick person straight.

She won her art show and had these loaded on the computer to send to her friend and I decided to post them here. Some people bitch because I don't "contribute" and I posted these in a moment of weakness!! lol

[Terra]

I have a godaughter, Jada. I gush whenever I get the chance. She is JUST learning to use crayons and when she brings stuff home from daycare I just can't imagine how wonderful her world is going to be if she chooses this road! I'm not even her mother so I can't possibly experience the joy that mommies have when their little ones do these things but by god, I live with her and watch her innocent milstones daily and my life is that much richer for it.

While some of the stuff here might have been good advice I think if she were to continue this road, she will receive wonderous teaching from art teachers that she will revere. She will blossom from it.

In the meantime, you did nothing wrong to just post them and enjoy the mommie things that you have a god given right to enjoy. Take everything here in stride, baby.

Fucktards will after all, be fucktards. :)

[Staxeon]

Now that the pics are back up, the cat is very cool. Bolder take on the classic cat, I could see it tattooed on someone.