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[ItalianStereotype]

oh my GOD, Superman Returns was awesome

in Ratner, I trust


also Spiderman 3

[Immortal Goat]

Hickman saw this tonight. I'll let him give all the details, but from what he told me, it was just OK. He seemed a little underwhealmed, and he said that X3 was definitely the better movie.

[ItalianStereotype]

yeah, well, he likes to call himself Hickman. that's all that needs to be said about that.

X3 was a lot like a TV show on Nickelodeon. it was written by kids, for kids. kids who have never even driven by a comic book store. superman returns, on the other hand, treats the hero and the very IDEA with the respect that was sorely lacking in the older versions.

[the_dudefather]

im looking ward to it myself, but its coming out in two weeks here :(

oh well, i think we get POTC and entire day before the US :P

[Mockery]

superman returns, on the other hand, treats the hero and the very IDEA with the respect that was sorely lacking in the older versions.
I hope you're only speaking about parts 3 and 4, because Superman 1 and 2 were just about as dead-on as you could get with a Superman movie. Not to mention Christopher Reeve was perfect for the role.

[the_dudefather]

yeah the first 2 kick ass, not that ive seen the other ones in years

[ArrowX]

Spidey 3 :O

It was a pretty good movie, I can't think of a better actor for lex luthor unless they were going for that Justiceleague ultimate black lex luthor.

[ItalianStereotype]

superman returns, on the other hand, treats the hero and the very IDEA with the respect that was sorely lacking in the older versions.
I hope you're only speaking about parts 3 and 4, because Superman 1 and 2 were just about as dead-on as you could get with a Superman movie. Not to mention Christopher Reeve was perfect for the role.

christopher reeve was a FANTASTIC superman, he just had the misfortune to star in some bad movies. I mean, zod is fantastic, kneel before zod, etc., but that doesn't change the fact that they were BAD MOVIES.

[Mockery]

How exactly were those BAD movies? I know the effects look dated compared to the films of today, but at the time, it was very impressive. The acting was great and the stories were just like that of a classic Superman comic book, so what exactly was bad about the first two films?

[Immortal Goat]

I'm starting to ignore IS's taste in movies just as much as I am Royal Tennenbaums. The first 2 Superman movies were fantastic.

[ItalianStereotype]

what, so you liked X3? I wouldn't WANT you to share my taste in movies.

[Immortal Goat]

It was entertaining. Not the best in the series, but there are far worse movies out there. But this isn't about X3 at all. I was saying that your taste in movies is seriously flawed if you didn't like the first two Superman movies.

[Mockery]

You still haven't answered my question. What makes Superman 1 & 2 bad movies? Just saying, "but that doesn't change the fact that they were BAD MOVIES," doesn't cut it.

[executioneer]

guys just so you can discount my taste in movies too, i thought superman 3 was a great movie

[Fathom Zero]

Instead of watching Superman Returns, I'm gonna go watch Heavy Metal and be happy.

[Mockery]

guys just so you can discount my taste in movies too, i thought superman 3 was a great movie
Superman 3 and 4 are great in a "so bad it's hilarious" kind of way.

NUCLEAR MAN. >:

[ItalianStereotype]

I haven't seen the first movie in about 8 years, so I'm not really in any position to say much about it, and 3 and 4 need no explanation, so we'll go with 2:

1. the cornball romance between superman and the beastly margot kidder. THIS really destroyed the movie for me.

2. loss of powers in a kryptonian phone booth?

3. oops nevermind here's my powers lol

4. super cellophane

5. super holo-clones

6. super amnesia lips

7. why is superman such a bitch against three members of his own race who haven't had NEARLY as much yellow sunlight as he has?

8. there were a few times where I expected gene hackman to slip on a banana peel or something, he was such a lame semi comic relief.

even superman: the animated series is more tasteful interpretation of superman than the movies and they had the TOYMAN for christ's sake.

[Mockery]

Jesus christ, you just don't get the Superman movies do you. Wow, I mean really... WOW. To even try comparing the animated series to those two classics... hahahah, jesus...

[ItalianStereotype]

what comparison? it's the animated series by a MILE.

[ItalianStereotype]

so...are you going to tell me what it is I don't get about the movies? maybe I just don't get the artistry of the plot holes? the beauty and grace of the awkward acting? TELL ME, I MUST KNOW.

[ItalianStereotype]

oh wait, I forgot more SUPER MADE UP POWERS that superman has throughout the movies.

SUPER MASONRY VISION

SUPER HAND LASERS

SUPER TELEPORTATION

SUPER SELECTIVE STRENGTH- how does one move the moon, but have a little fatty grunt when trying to pick up a bus?

[Mockery]

Uh, read any of the old comic books from over the years and you'll see that they made up all sorts of powers for him along the way (as with many other superheroes). But let's breakdown your complaints...

1) Cornball romance between superman and "beastly" margot kidder.
How old are you, 10? Superman and Lois Lane have always been an item, and Marot Kidder was far from beastly. I thought she was perfect for the role of Lois.

2. loss of powers in a kryptonian phone booth?
A phone booth, mn hmnn... yeah... there's a reason to walk out on a movie. :rolleyes

3. oops nevermind here's my powers lol
As opposed to him never getting his powers back? Shit, you should clearly be writing superhero movies. Brilliant.

4. super cellophane
That's pretty much the only one I partially agree with, but that was more humorous than bad, and the 2nd movie had a nice mix of humor to go with the action anyway.

5. super holo-clones
I refer you to the top of this post once again.

6. super amnesia lips
And again...

7. why is superman such a bitch against three members of his own race who haven't had NEARLY as much yellow sunlight as he has?
Did you even watch the movie? Zod explained it quite clearly, "The closer we come to an atmosphere with only one sun... a yellow sun... the more our molecular density gives us unlimited powers." There's nothing in there about how long they've been exposed to the sun, it's simply how close they come to it. As for him being a "bitch" against three members of his own race, uh... he won, so how was he being a "bitch" in a 1vs3 fight again?

8. there were a few times where I expected gene hackman to slip on a banana peel or something, he was such a lame semi comic relief.
Lame? The hell he was, he was perfect for the role of Lex Luthor, totally capturing the Lex from the old Superman comics.

I'm not going to pass any judgement on the new Superman movie until I see it, but to claim that the original 2 movies were anything less than extremely well done and entertaining, does indeed make your opinions basically worthless.

[ItalianStereotype]

as opposed to your fanatical fanboy opinion? okay...

Uh, read any of the old comic books from over the years and you'll see that they made up all sorts of powers for him along the way (as with many other superheroes). But let's breakdown your complaints...

oh, hey, I can't. can I borrow yours? you know, the books from 1942? or how about some of those from the early 50's? you don't have them either, you say? I'm willing to bet that, if you read superman at all, you've only been reading since Byrne's reduction, so don't give me that "OH IT'S IN THE COMICS" crap.

besides, even looking through some of the old books and asking people who HAVE been reading superman since then, I still don't see where they pulled superclones, superlips, supermasonry vision, superlaser hands, and the like. please, clue me in.

How old are you, 10? Superman and Lois Lane have always been an item, and Marot Kidder was far from beastly. I thought she was perfect for the role of Lois.

I guess I MUST be 10, because I can't really see how this TRIPE does any justice to what superman and lois lane actually have.

A phone booth, mn hmnn... yeah... there's a reason to walk out on a movie.

right, because that's obviously what I said.

As opposed to him never getting his powers back? Shit, you should clearly be writing superhero movies. Brilliant.

right, because that's obviously what I said.

Did you even watch the movie? Zod explained it quite clearly, "The closer we come to an atmosphere with only one sun... a yellow sun... the more our molecular density gives us unlimited powers." There's nothing in there about how long they've been exposed to the sun, it's simply how close they come to it. As for him being a "bitch" against three members of his own race, uh... he won, so how was he being a "bitch" in a 1vs3 fight again?

first, you reference the comics and then you come to me with this? sounds like YOU need to start reading a little more.

Lame? The hell he was, he was perfect for the role of Lex Luthor, totally capturing the Lex from the old Superman comics.

he might as well have been wearing fucking clown shoes.

anyway, none of this changes the fact that the new movie is easily the best of the series.

[Immortal Goat]

as opposed to your fanatical fanboy opinion? okay...
Because it is totally wrong for someone to have a fanatical fanboy opinion about a comic based movie franchise. Thank god you've never done that, eh? Oh, wait, what's this?

so what does that make you? a Ratner fanboy? because that movie would have still sucked even if they hadn't mangled the comics beyond recognition. I mean, god forbid that they should actually draw upon their source material when making a fucking comic book movie.

right. Ratner drew from the source material. I'll bet the closest he ever came to reading one of the comics was when he casually glanced at the title before wiping his ass with one of the books. and instead of even trying to successfully put comic material into the movie, it was just decided that they would fuck it up all on their own. cases in point: juggernaut, phoenix, psylocke, calysto, making 90% of all mutants ASIANS, and so on.

And you actually said something else that seemingly can be applied to Superman Returns, though it would pain you to admit it.
and maybe they should've listened to some "faggoty fanboys" because what they had in the movie sure as hell didn't work.

Yep. Mockery sure does seem like the fanboy to me.

[HickMan]

I thought Superman Returns was above average. It had some great parts in it. But I'd say X3 was better. Not by much, though. Superman never really interested me like the X-Men did, so I guess that's the main reason why. Plus, I never really read comic books. So I guess that makes me uneducated. That's alright with me, though. I know what I like.

[ItalianStereotype]

hey, goat, way to actually read my post.

if you'll notice, I actually called Rog out on some comic book related things, so don't try to pull this high ground shit.

his fanboy opinion is not any better than mine, but I guess you would've had to READ my post AND understand what I was saying to really "get" that.

and way to be in it for Rog's protein

[Immortal Goat]

You're BOTH being fanboys, it is just stupid of you to call him out for it when you yourself have done the same in the past. And if you openly admit that his fanboy opinion isn't any better than yours, then WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL? If you're both fanboys of different things, then what does it matter? I like something, you don't. I dislike something, you like it.

Why does it matter so much to you that people actually LIKED X3? Does it offend you in some way? And does it offend you that someone might actually not think Superman Returns was all that fantastic? Jesus, I knew some people took comic books seriously, but this is fucking rediculous.

[ItalianStereotype]

let me clue you in on something that you might not have realized before. you're on the INTERNET.

[Seven Force]

Goat, take Rog's penis out of your mouth and tells us, in your own words, why you think they're great movies.

[Immortal Goat]

I know I'm on the internet. If I were actually getting mad, then you would have a point. I just find it highly amusing that you seem to get so worked up over the simple fact that people disagree with you about comic movies.

EDIT: Why do I think they're great movies? Because Reeve was excellent as Superman, the stories (at the time) were original, the effects were good for their time as well, and they were just fun to watch. I say that makes them good movies in my book.

[ArrowX]

I just got back form the theater. It was a good ride, Lex Luthor is perfectly portrayed but he didn't get as much screen time that builds his character. all of his scenes are only about him hatching his evil scheme (wich is fucking cool fo the comic fans) The ending bugged me a little bit. all in all it was probably one of the best movies so far this year, form an entertainment stand point.

[Schimid]

Thanks, Hickman!

[Skulhedface]

I saw it yesterday and yeah, I claim to being a Superman fanboy.. after all, he was there in my little kiddie life before Spider-Man... btw, I loved that they had the Spider-Man 3 trailer beforehand, but enough about that...

Yeah, I had the same gripes, albeit MINIMAL, about Superman II. Did the teleportation, the celophane S and laser hands seem out of place for me? Yeah. But did it ruin the movie for me? No.

I agree with IS as far as I HATEHATEHATE Margot Kidder as Lois Lane, but then with this addendum: It's only because basically, she looked like a hag by the time we got to Superman IV. Margot definitely looked like she'd been chainsmoking at that point and that may have negatively influenced my opinion there.

It's kinda irrational but I'm not gonna pretend I'm some infallible movie god whose logic goes because I demand it.

After all that's said... it seems we can all agree that we liked the movies but for different reasons. And I am exactly the type of nerd that'll go sit through Superman Returns again. After all, it, like the previous few, had it's "WTF" moments, including...


SPOILERS, FAGS

Superman is Lois's babydaddy? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

But hey, I'm fanboyish enough to just like the fact that Superman is onscreen again, in a rather semi-well done movie, and that Kevin Spacey is every bit as great as Gene Hackman when it comes to Lex Luthor. I just kinda wish that they'd have given him a different villain... after all, Superman's battled Lex, directly or not, through FOUR movies now...

[ArrowX]

the original script back in 98 had Doomsday and Braniac. I think that would have been cool as hell.

[GADZOOKS]

Batman Begins
Superman Returns
Spiderman Proceeds

LET'S CALL THE WHOLE THING OFF

[ArrowX]

no way I'm waiting for the ghost rider movie!

[Jeff The Ninja]

I saw this last night, it was really good. It reminded me of the old Superman Movies. With the Wacky/evil Lex luthor with an over ambitious scheme to take over the world and A really good actor to play superman. Kevin Spacey was Perfect as Lex Luthor and So was Brandon Routh as Superman. It was a good mix of The old Superman with the Slight Gags and Good Humor mixed with the Intense action of the Newer Generation of Superhero Films.

[Schimid]

I saw it tonight. I heard a lot of mixed things on Kevin Spacey as Luthor. I liked him, but everyone else seems to hate how he was portrayed. I do wish they gave him more screen time, though.

Routh was...okay, I guess. I don't want to say he was bad because honestly there's only so far you can go when you're playing an INVULNERABLE HUMAN BEING who is sad once in a while. And that's the ultimate problem a lot of people have, is that Superman is just ultimately waaaay too fucking powerful.

I've always thought it was funny that the most powerful superhero OF ALL TIMES is going against a supervillain thats only superpower is being really, really smart. And rich, maybe.

A good movie, but this is definitely no threat to the Spider-Man series.

[Geggy]

guys just so you can discount my taste in movies too, i thought superman 3 was a great movie

I thought so too. It wasn't as big of a classic movie as the first two though. I thought superman had literally met his match by battling against his own bad self. And I just love the peanut flicking part...

[the_dudefather]

just wated superman 3 last night, almost could have been a movies without superman and just richard pryors character as the lead

[noob3]

i saw this tonight, and i fucking thought it sucked ass like everything else superman related. i hate superman, but i thought since my friends were going that it might be good because of the hype. and it was suppose to have some killer special effects or somthing

it was so boring :( i have never been more bored in the theaters

SPOILER:

what the fuck how does he SURVIVE BEING STABBED WITH KRYPTONITE

excuse me guys, i dont like super man at all. but i've read frank miller's dark knight returns series and i know that SUPER MAN DOES NOT LIVE THROUGH BEING SHOT WITH KRYPTONITE ARROWS. But if you stab him with a huge slab of kryptonite, he's fine?

ugh fuck this movie :(

[Girl Drink Drunk]

I watched the originalSuperman also and got dissappointed. Mabye it had to do with the nature of Clark Kent, but he acts way too awkward and shy (im not saying Reeves did a bad job, but the portrayal of the character was a tad boring). I mean even Peter Parker had punched out the school bully, Flash, in the movie. I wouldnt say that Margot Kidder was beastly, but she definately looked a lot better in Amtyville Horror. Anyways, it just really make a huge impact on me like Spider-Man (which revived my love for comics), or Batman did. I cant really comment on the second Superman, but obviously the first movie didnt really have any fight scenes, Unlike in Batman (which also handled humor a lot better).

[Spectre X]

even superman: the animated series is more tasteful interpretation of superman than the movies and they had the TOYMAN for christ's sake.

You fucking take that back. Superman: TAS was fantastic.

EDIT: Dear Noob3

Disregard Frank Miller's take on Superman. The Dark Knight Returns is not the same Superman as in regular comics, as it was an Elseworlds, a kind of "What If..."

And getting stabbed with kryptonite probably won't kill him any more than a regular person getting stabbed with a knife will, unless the chunk stayed inside of him for too long.

[Immortal Goat]

Except of course that the knife was radioactive.

[Spectre X]

Only mildly. It doesn't kill Supes with radiation poisoning, it intereres with the way his cells store and process solar radiation. It only hurts him so long as he is in range. If you remove it from his system, he feels no ill effects anymore.

[Fathom Zero]

I liked seeing Superman shot in the eye. :)

[noob3]

so kryptonite, his only weakness, isn't even really that effective against him? see this is why i hate superman. he can't die. he can do everything. it's like he has no problems, or anything. i just can't get into it.

it's like when i was little, and my friends would have "who is the best super hero?"

and there was that one kid who would always argue that super man was the best because "HE CAN DO ANYTHING"

sigh

[Spectre X]

Kryptonite is deadly to him, but you need to use it properly. If you stab him with a knife made of the stuff, well, the knife's going to penetrate, and if you leave the knife near him or in the wound, he's going to die pretty fast. If you take it out and take it away, well, it's gonna be like a regular stab wound is to us. Unless, of course, a somewhat substantial amount of kryptonite remained in his system, which would prevent him from recovering as quickly as he usually does.

Supes is also vulnerable to magic. As in he is just as susceptible to spells as any regular human. Getting hit by Thor's hammer isn't going to do any more damage than any other indestructible blunt weapon swung by someone with Superman-level strength would do. That's because its magic affects properties of itself, not the things it hits, unlike Wonder Woman's sword which magically cuts through anything.

The most interesting things about Superman aren't his powers (which, by the way, aren't as powerful as you think. Or actually they are, but there's plenty of people who can either circumvent them or flat-out challenge them personally, like Darkseid, Orion, Lex Luthor, Brainiac etcetera.) but what he stands for and believes in. Action Comics #775 is a very good example of this. Basically, Supes gets his ass kicked by The elite, an Authority pastiche who don't shy away from using lethal force in order to deal with threats, even though they could just as easily subdue villains without killing them. They also don't really care about collateral damage. Supes gets pissed off at all their shit and uses his superspeed to take most of them out, making it seem to their leader that he killed them. Then he temporarily disables the leader's powers by heat-visioning his brain. The guy breaks down crying at the loss of his powers, but takes comfort in the fact that he made Supes stoop down to his level. Or at least, until Supes reveals that he was just fucking with the guy's mind to make a point, and that the guy was just as bad as the people he fought.

[Zomboid]

Loved superman returns, hated xmen 3. I especially liked how this movie didn't reference a lame internet joke :)

[Jeff The Ninja]

So, if Superman Is vunerable to magic. Then he must have hated birthday Parties :(

But yeah. Kryptonite Can harm Superman, but its not like a magical Force Field that will Ward him off. The only way to kill superman is to Trap him with a Magical Force Field, and then Stab him with a Jagged Piece of Kryptonite. Lex had a good idea in the film, but it is because of Lois Lane that he was able to defeat Lex.

It also explains Superman's Near Death at the hands of Doomsday. Because I Am not mistaking, Doomsday was Partially made of Kryptonite (SpectreX Can clear this up as My details are a little sketchy). Also, some of the other Superbeings have no vulnerability to Kryptonite, Like Superboy (again, SpectreX can clear this up.) as superboy has, or atleast in some comics, a Magical Force Field which gives him the near invinciblity.

[Cliff Steele]

fuck superman he sucks. lets talk about other stuff. man guys tonights tom goes to the mayor is real good, gary busey :O

[Fathom Zero]

I'm trying to find Heavy Metal 2000, yet I'm not able to find it anywhere.

[noob3]

i take a dump on super man

[Spectre X]

So, if Superman Is vunerable to magic. Then he must have hated birthday Parties :(

But yeah. Kryptonite Can harm Superman, but its not like a magical Force Field that will Ward him off. The only way to kill superman is to Trap him with a Magical Force Field, and then Stab him with a Jagged Piece of Kryptonite. Lex had a good idea in the film, but it is because of Lois Lane that he was able to defeat Lex.

It also explains Superman's Near Death at the hands of Doomsday. Because I Am not mistaking, Doomsday was Partially made of Kryptonite (SpectreX Can clear this up as My details are a little sketchy). Also, some of the other Superbeings have no vulnerability to Kryptonite, Like Superboy (again, SpectreX can clear this up.) as superboy has, or atleast in some comics, a Magical Force Field which gives him the near invinciblity.

Doomsday wasn't made of kryptonite, he was just strong enough to actually hurt Superman.

And I'm pretty sure that Superboy was at least somewhat vulnerable to kryptonite, and he had a telekinetic forcefield. That's it.

[Zomboid]

hey guys how bout that infinite crisis?

[Spectre X]

Infinite Crisis sucks. The whole story is just so alwardly written and concieved. And the group shots in IC#7 suck even more than the story. Phil Jimenez can't do group shots. They should have just had George Pérez do the entire book. He has the best group shots.

What the fuck is Sivana doing in the middle of a battle between superpowered people? He knows better than that.

[Ant10708]

I found the movie to be very very boring. I did like Kevin Spacey as Lex Luther though.

I was never a Superman fan so I may be biased agaisnt the film but I was just bored.

[Brandon]

Saw it at a press screening last week. I liked it, even though it was loaded down with some monstrous superhero movie cliches.

Why is nobody mentioning Parker Posey? >:

[ArrowX]

Isn't doomsday like 99% invincible? Something about him not being able to die the same way twice?

Fun Fact: Doomsdays name was given to him by Booster Gold :(

[Mike P]

Some of the comics also posit that the more yellow sun radiation Superman absorbs, the less Kryptonite affects him.

[ScruU2wice]

I don't know if the argument is over but Superman is my least favorite concept for a superhero, because technically he's God cept when he get's a wiff of kryptonite which always happens but never in enough quantities to actually harm him more then a bad migrane and forced blowjob stance.

I've never ever felt that superman was ever in real trouble. Which really makes me bored. Second of all he's just a do gooder and not really hitting how poorly defined the lines of right and wrong are in real life.

[Immortal Goat]

I couldn't have said it better myself, Scru. That's why I only really liked the Death and Life saga. It was the only time he was ever in real trouble.

[Spectre X]

I don't know if the argument is over but Superman is my least favorite concept for a superhero, because technically he's God cept when he get's a wiff of kryptonite which always happens but never in enough quantities to actually harm him more then a bad migrane and forced blowjob stance.

I've never ever felt that superman was ever in real trouble. Which really makes me bored. Second of all he's just a do gooder and not really hitting how poorly defined the lines of right and wrong are in real life.

Yeah.

You don't know anything about Superman, apparently.

[Krythor]

Arrowx, could you please stop reading wikipedia before every post? Thanks.

[Immortal Goat]

He knows enough about Superman to know that, for the most part, he's a boring character who is never really in danger. Even when someone gets Kryptonite, when you see Superman on the scene, you know for a fact that everything is going to be alright. And even if he screws up, he'll fly around the world so darn fast that time will reverse itself, and "Hey, everything's alright again, LOL".

Infallibility pisses me off.

[Spectre X]

He knows enough about Superman to know that, for the most part, he's a boring character who is never really in danger. Even when someone gets Kryptonite, when you see Superman on the scene, you know for a fact that everything is going to be alright. And even if he screws up, he'll fly around the world so darn fast that time will reverse itself, and "Hey, everything's alright again, LOL".

Infallibility pisses me off.

And you know even less, apparently.

[Immortal Goat]

Let me rephrase that. I'VE never felt that he's been in any real danger aside from Doomsday. I find him to be an incredibly boring character that never (in my readings of him) even realizes that there are shades of gray in the moral spectrum. It's black and white with him.

[Spectre X]

It's black and white with him, yes, but what is right and what is wrong doesn't necessarily follow the law.

In Superman: Birthright, he shoots a guy in the face with a gun, because the guy sold a kid a gun, with which the kid threatened a little girl, traumatizing her for life, probably. So Supes goes to the guy, picks up a gun, point it at the guy's face and pulls the trigger. And then he cacthes the bullet before it hits him so that he isn't physically hurt at least, but now he's just as traumatized as the girl, having gone through the same thing.

And it's not always about what danger Superman is in, it's what danger other people are in. It's very hard to put Supes himself in physical danger, but Superman is and has always been about preventing people from getting hurt. He always tries to minimize collateral damage, if he has to choose between hitting a superpowered villain or saving dozens of people from falling rubble, he'll always go for the people first, because Superman is about protecting lives.

And still, there are plenty of times when Superman is at risk of snuffing it. There was that whole Imperiex thing, and pretty much whenever he went up against Darkseid or his agents. Also just recently in Infinite Crisis, though I'd rather ignore that whole deal. The whole World War Three storyline with Mageddon having trapped Supes inside him, mentally torturing him and whatnot. The list goes on and on and on.

[Immortal Goat]

I didn't know that thing about the gun, and yes, that is pretty badass. Still, though, for one reason or another, I just find him to be a boring character. He has become simply the most basic superhero to me.

[Spectre X]

That's because he is. He was the first, pretty much. You should read more comics with Superman in them and your appreciation of him will go up.

[Zomboid]

Of course superman's pretty much unstoppable. Doesn't mean he doesn't still have some badass fights. Read kingdom come, for instance :o

[Jixby Phillips]

fuck you you fucking crybabies :boob

[ArrowX]

Do you fucking women have to carry on an argument about EVERYTHING. Thats the problem wiht the internet, it gives the stupidest people enough time to research and form a valid argument, so nobody ever truly loses. Just State your opinion ONCE and shut the hell up about it.

You assholes made me agree with Jixby :(

[Ninjavenom]

I used to think he sucked because of having too many powers as well, but this movie highlighted everything that really kicks ass about Superman. He's great because he's kind of tragic. His powers are really just plot devices, which i think is really pretty cool about him. He's so well-developed and he has great charisma, plus, as spectre said, his dedication to saving lives is nothing less than fanatic. He really isn't that strong when he has to fight certain villains, too, such as Darkseid (whose eye lasers have almost as many powers as supes does,) Doomsday, and sometimes Lobo. Kevin Spacey did a boner-inspiring job playing Luthor, also, i must admit.

[Esuohlim]

I thought Bosworth's Lois Lane was incredibly grumpy and bitchy and I didn't like her one bit. :(

The thing that bugs me about Superman is that COME ON GUYS ALL HE HAS TO DO IS WEAR GLASSES AND HE CAN FOOL THE WHOLE WORLD PFFFFFFFFFT.

Spacey pretty much saved the movie for me. I didn't get all that into it.

[ScruU2wice]

It's black and white with him, yes, but what is right and what is wrong doesn't necessarily follow the law.

In Superman: Birthright, he shoots a guy in the face with a gun, because the guy sold a kid a gun, with which the kid threatened a little girl, traumatizing her for life, probably. So Supes goes to the guy, picks up a gun, point it at the guy's face and pulls the trigger. And then he cacthes the bullet before it hits him so that he isn't physically hurt at least, but now he's just as traumatized as the girl, having gone through the same thing.

How is that bad ass? the guy doesn't get shot in the face. I don't see how teaching the guy a lesson/ mentally scarring him for life is cooler than rorschac breaking peoples arms for breathing too loud.

I'm not a superman fan so I only have casual knowledge of his endeavors. I know enough about superman to know that he was pretty fucked with doomsday and that's it. But that just made me cheer on doomsday for kicking his ass. and if there are all these people that put supermans life in peril I might see a movie about them instead of one where lex luthors master plan is to sodomize superman with kryptonite, but I guess not enough to actually hurt him.

From the trend of this topic I don't see this movie doing anything else that could make me like superman more than the near zero level I do right now.

[ArrowX]

I miss the Cyborg and the Enforcer (the Superman with yellow goggles) I'm really not claiming to know all that much about Supes, the only comics I have are one of the Doomsday comics, the one where Cyborg "makes them look" then blows them away and The Bloodlines Annual Superman (origin of Loose Cannon)

[Zomboid]

Arrowx, could you please stop reading wikipedia before every post? Thanks.

[Spectre X]

I miss the Cyborg and the Enforcer (the Superman with yellow goggles) I'm really not claiming to know all that much about Supes, the only comics I have are one of the Doomsday comics, the one where Cyborg "makes them look" then blows them away and The Bloodlines Annual Superman (origin of Loose Cannon)

It's the Eradicator, not the Enforcer.

[Comrade Rocket]

there was an episode of the animated series where superman was teleported to a world with a red sun and he lost all his powers. He had to survive using only his wits. I think he fought some wolves and had made a sword somehow.

i forgot most of it, but i remember it being cool because superman had become no stronger than you or I but still was able to survive in a harsh enviroment. I also remember seeing a comic book that had a "what if?" where krypton never was destroyed and Kal basically drove around on a motorcycle.

i forgot what im getting at. But i think a superman movie with one of the above storylines would be a real interesting take on things.

[Spectre X]

That was actually an episode of the Justice League cartoon, and it wouldn't translate well into movies because the general public isn't intererested in seeing a powerless Superman fight giant cockroaches with a sword he made by himself, a sledgehammer, and an immortal villain-turned-hero-with-a-ray-gun.

And Supes driving a motorcycle? Sorry, that's too much like the abortion that Tim Burton wanted to turn Superman into.