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Mockery
Jul 20th, 2006, 03:33 PM
God I hope this isn't true (http://www.filmwad.com/heath-ledger-to-play-the-joker--712-p.html).

CRISPIN GLOVER should get the role, nobody else.

executioneer
Jul 20th, 2006, 03:36 PM
crispin HELLION glover

Mockery
Jul 20th, 2006, 03:43 PM
Or as his best friends (like me) call him: Crispy Hell.

Zomboid
Jul 20th, 2006, 05:35 PM
That just doesn't even make sense. I can picture certain actors being bad for the part, but that's just unbelievable :/

ArrowX
Jul 20th, 2006, 05:44 PM
they should just coke up Gary Busey and give him face paint, that guys a fuckin psycho. or go with Mark Hammil since he already voices him.

Immortal Goat
Jul 20th, 2006, 05:55 PM
I have faith in the film's creators. They proved me wrong with Batman Begins, and I'll trust their judgement.

Grislygus
Jul 20th, 2006, 07:51 PM
I'll pass. Batman Begins was decent, nothing more. I doubt that a reinvented Batman Franchise can beat the first two films, especially not with Heath Ledger as the Joker.

Zomboid
Jul 20th, 2006, 10:11 PM
Huh? Batman begins was amazing. Best superhero movie ever and a kick ass movie even for non fans.

James
Jul 20th, 2006, 10:12 PM
God I hope this isn't true (http://www.filmwad.com/heath-ledger-to-play-the-joker--712-p.html).

CRISPIN GLOVER should get the role, nobody else.

Glover can go take a shit, freeze it, and then fuck himself with it until it smooshes all over his ass. Mark Hammill would be a kickass Joker. It sounds so stupid, but I honestly can't picture a better Joker, thanks to his awesome voicing of the character in the cartoon.

Anyway, Batman Begins proved me wrong when I though that Murphy guy couldn't play Scarecrow. Then again, that guy is a good actor. I've never felt Ledger was worth anyone's time. Plus, he looks too young.

Mockery
Jul 20th, 2006, 10:32 PM
Huh? Batman begins was amazing. Best superhero movie ever and a kick ass movie even for non fans.
Agreed, I've watched that movie so many times and I just don't get tired of it. It really is the best Superhero movie to date.

Glover can go take a shit, freeze it, and then fuck himself with it until it smooshes all over his ass. Mark Hammill would be a kickass Joker. It sounds so stupid, but I honestly can't picture a better Joker, thanks to his awesome voicing of the character in the cartoon.
Yeah, let's choose a good voice actor, Mark Hammill, (who has sadly proven himself to be a bad real-life actor in movies) to play one of the biggest villain roles ever as opposed to a seasoned actor such as Crispin Glover, who in real life appears to be just as insane as the very Joker character he would be playing. Mark Hammill would just do the same old shit, which is fine for the cartoons, but not for these darker and far cooler Batman films. Crispin Glover would bring something entirely new to the Joker character and he would surely do it justice. And furthermore, Glover actually LOOKS the part. Hammill can stay off the screen where he belongs. He does great voice work, but that's clearly it...

http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/starwars-holiday/3.jpg (http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/starwars-holiday)
Not a good person to play the Joker.

James
Jul 21st, 2006, 01:48 AM
I couldn't disagree more.

Really, I don't view The Joker as some dark, brooding evil hellspawn that Glover would play him as. I view him as a completely over-the-top overacting crazy person that I could view Hammill playing him as. Bad acting is what the Joker NEEDS. And I think he'd look the part just fine. Hell, if they can make Nicholson into the frigging Joker, there's no reason why Hammill couldn't look the part. Hell, that picture you linked to, I can picture the makeup on him, and I see a damn creepy Joker, especially with that twinkle in the eyes. Glover looks too effeminate for my tastes.

But I guess if you want a Joker who'd turn down Harley Quinn to watch reruns of Murphy Brown, then Glover's the guy to go to.

I suppose we can both agree on Ledger being a terrible choice though, right?

ArrowX
Jul 21st, 2006, 02:29 AM
http://www.latourdesheros.com/Batman_TAS/Personnages/Joker/Mark_Hamill.jpg

Totaly a good Joker.

This is kinda wierd, I was under the impression that I would and could never agree with James. :(

Zomboid
Jul 21st, 2006, 02:30 AM
He did an awesome job voicing the joker, but he's way too fucking old and not a good enough actor to pull it off in live action. Crispin Glover could be a really good joker, but first he'd need to work on his voice a bit. He's an awesome actor but that kinda nasally mcfly voice wouldn't fit with the joker :(

But yeah, it's a very important role and I'll be pissed off if they fuck it up right off the bat by casting the wrong guy.

Supafly345
Jul 21st, 2006, 03:33 AM
Not that I am in gaylove with Mark Hamil or anything, but Crispen Glover would be just the worst joker. When I picture the joker, pieced together from my father's comics and from the original cartoon, I have never once thought he would be good as a creepy little wiener. As much, shouldn't be played by one.

Mark Hamil would be fun, because he plays crazy very well, but I don't think it is very likely. Just not something I think the people that made batman begins would do. They seem to want a realistic feel, like these could be actual things happening outside a comic world, and outrageousness really isn't a part of that.

Plus Mark Hamil has wrinkly old man skin, and everyone knows that the joker has the best complexion at the supervillian spa.

executioneer
Jul 21st, 2006, 06:56 AM
But yeah, it's a very important role and I'll be pissed off if they fuck it up right off the bat by casting the wrong guy.

lol

ArrowX
Jul 21st, 2006, 12:28 PM
A While back there was a bunch of tak going around that Robin Williams was gonna be the joker. hat would be cool but he doesn't have the chin for it.

Zomboid
Jul 21st, 2006, 02:11 PM
But yeah, it's a very important role and I'll be pissed off if they fuck it up right off the bat by casting the wrong guy.

lol

Oh man :lol

Zomboid
Jul 21st, 2006, 02:12 PM
A While back there was a bunch of tak going around that Robin Williams was gonna be the joker. hat would be cool but he doesn't have the chin for it.

Yeah, that'd be cool just like jim carrey was perfect for the riddler.

Over the top comedic actors make for terrible supervillains. We've learned that lesson already.

Mockery
Jul 21st, 2006, 03:05 PM
Robin Williams as the Joker would be more offensive to the series than when they gave Batman's suit armor-nipples.

Hell, that picture you linked to, I can picture the makeup on him, and I see a damn creepy Joker, especially with that twinkle in the eyes. Glover looks too effeminate for my tastes.
Effeminate? That picture I linked to of Mark Hammil is about as effeminate as one can get. :P

He did an awesome job voicing the joker, but he's way too fucking old and not a good enough actor to pull it off in live action. Crispin Glover could be a really good joker, but first he'd need to work on his voice a bit. He's an awesome actor but that kinda nasally mcfly voice wouldn't fit with the joker.
Yep, I just don't see Hammel in a real-life acting role for a character like the Joker at all. Crispin plays "crazy" very well, and in his films where he has a manic laugh I instantly think about just how perfect he'd be for the role. And yeah, I'm sure he'd do a different voice for the Joker, just as Bale did a different voice for Batman.

Whatever the case may be, I'm definitely not sold on Heath Ledger as the Joker.

ItalianStereotype
Jul 21st, 2006, 03:54 PM
I wouldn't worry about mark hammil's age too much. I mean, in x3 they took 20 years off of patrick stewart.

hammil's got the voice, the laugh, and could easily have the look. I want a sadistic psycopath who is in it for a laugh, not jack skellington.

Geggy
Jul 21st, 2006, 04:09 PM
I couldn't disagree more.

Really, I don't view The Joker as some dark, brooding evil hellspawn that Glover would play him as. I view him as a completely over-the-top overacting crazy person that I could view Hammill playing him as. Bad acting is what the Joker NEEDS.

Jim Carrey? Denis Leary?

I'd be pissed though if it was Heath Ledger. He is too much of a pretty boy weiner to play the joker. I've alway envisioned the joker being played by someone older, more sinister looking with the evil grin as a bonus, like jack nicholson, whom I thought was THE joker. Ledger is none of that, not even close.

http://www.klownsasesinos.com/noticias/imagenes/crispin1.jpg

Nuff said....

Mockery
Jul 21st, 2006, 04:29 PM
Hahah just look at that. Crispin doesn't even NEED the make-up! He IS the Joker!

mburbank
Jul 21st, 2006, 04:39 PM
I think Krispin would be a terrific choice, but, and just listen to me for a sec here...

Stephen Colbert. He's got the thin angular face for it, he's a good age, and while you can't see it on the Colbert Report, in Strangers with candy there are occasions where you see him do a very fine, very scary crazy.

Plus, he brings complete conviction to everything he does.

As far as the Hammil question... Voice acting is a very cool, very underated craft, but it aint the same thing as film acting. I refer you to his performance as the Trickster in the Flash live action show. Serviceable, but nothing to write home about.

I also think if you wanted to go older, you could do a lot worse than james Woods. If Ray Liotta would loose some weight he could do it too. Check him out in 'Something Wild'

Geggy
Jul 21st, 2006, 04:52 PM
Exactly, mock! Just gas him with some helium and he's all set to go.

Colbert, hmmm.

Fathom Zero
Jul 21st, 2006, 08:46 PM
Batman Begins was horrible. I like Gary Oldman. He could do it. He could be both the Joker and Gordon. There is no more versatile actor than Gary Oldman. Name one.

Jeff The Ninja
Jul 21st, 2006, 08:48 PM
In my opinion (which nobody here would care about) is that giving the darker feel and mood of Batman Begins. I would think that the Joker should be, in a way, reimagined. Sure, he would still be the same, like how batman was the same batman in the movie. But Instead of making him a Cheesy villian. They should get someone who can do the laugh, and altough Mark Hammil was good in the cartoon, he just doesnt seem right for the new batman movies.

We need a Joker, who can laugh. Laugh in such a way that it will actually haunt you. Something along the lines of A horror movie villian's laugh. High pitched, yet with an Psychotic edge.

Batman is, in a Sense, NOT a superhero comic, it was originally a Detective comic with Gadgets. Play on that some more. Dont have batman go in Batarangs flying. Have him stalk, creep, and Frighten. It is in that regard that Batman Begins was Awesome, The director captured the original comics from the fifties while including Some of the Dark Brooding Atmosphere of the Tim burton movies.

Fathom Zero
Jul 22nd, 2006, 12:33 AM
Batman is the greatest non-superhero.

Zomboid
Jul 23rd, 2006, 11:11 PM
I wouldn't worry about mark hammil's age too much. I mean, in x3 they took 20 years off of patrick stewart.


I'm pretty sure most studios would just hire someone more suited for the role than edit every single scene with him in it to make him look younger.

ItalianStereotype
Jul 23rd, 2006, 11:52 PM
someone like heath ledger, eh?

Zomboid
Jul 24th, 2006, 02:12 PM
An average young actor who might be able to actually put our doubts to rest (like they did with the guy playing the scarecrow in batman begins) is still more suited for the role than an old man who, let's face it, isn't a great live action actor. Being able to do a fucking maniacal laugh doesn't mean a goddamn thing if you're unable to do anything else with the role.

James
Jul 24th, 2006, 07:13 PM
An average young actor who might be able to actually put our doubts to rest (like they did with the guy playing the scarecrow in batman begins) is still more suited for the role than an old man who, let's face it, isn't a great live action actor. Being able to do a fucking maniacal laugh doesn't mean a goddamn thing if you're unable to do anything else with the role.

But that's what the Joker is, to me. An overracting batshit insane guy with no rhyme or reason. If you asked Hammill to just "act" and use the Joker voice, the worse he was at it, the more convincing a Joker he'd make.

Although now some other names have come up for who people would have wanted to see as The Joker. I'm also a fan of a few of thoses.

Bottom line is, I'm not sold on Ledger, but we'll see. Maybe he'll pull a Topher Grace and make me believe that nobody else BUT him could portray the character as awesomely.

Zomboid
Jul 24th, 2006, 07:37 PM
But that's what the Joker is, to me. An overracting batshit insane guy with no rhyme or reason. If you asked Hammill to just "act" and use the Joker voice, the worse he was at it, the more convincing a Joker he'd make.

I'd probably have agreed with that a few years ago when I hadn't read many comics with the joker and known a lot less about him. He IS completely fucking insane, but he's still got some charisma and has to be believably insane, if that makes any sense. What I'm trying to say is, some old dude who had his prime a couple decades ago and would just ham it up isn't exactly the perfect choice for one of the most profilic villains of all time. Maybe keeping the same spirit of batman begins and keeping the cheese factor toned down will allow people to forget about all the over the top shit in the schumacher batman movies.

James
Jul 24th, 2006, 09:05 PM
Or the Burton movies. :(

Eh, just forget it. I would have liked to see Hammill, but if someone else were picked that I felt would do the job, I'd be happy. We'll see if Ledger isn't a total mistake.

Just thank God it's not Glover.

Seven Force
Jul 24th, 2006, 11:38 PM
I think Heath Ledger would do a great job.

He was good in Brokeback Mountain.

shut up

Zen444
Jul 25th, 2006, 09:08 AM
Paul Reubens is already set to play... I think.

Shifty
Jul 25th, 2006, 09:49 AM
[quote=James]
http://www.klownsasesinos.com/noticias/imagenes/crispin1.jpg

Nuff said....

Thats the joker. no doubt.

Zen444
Jul 25th, 2006, 01:15 PM
Batman is the greatest non-superhero.

Yeah, that Batman Begins movie was a great Suspense Thriller.

Wait... was it supposed to be a Super Hero movie?

Protoclown
Jul 25th, 2006, 02:15 PM
Didn't Mark Hammil say in an interview that he CAN'T do the Joker voice if anybody is watching him? Aside from all the myriad other reasons why he wouldn't be good for the part, that's a pretty good strike against him right there.

I don't know about Heath Ledger because I haven't really seen his acting chops in any role that reminds me of the Joker, but I guess with make up they could make him LOOK the part at least...but it seems to me that there are plenty of other people who already DO look the part very well (Glover for instance) AND have a healthy crazy streak running through them.

They did a good job with Batman Begins, so for now I have faith that they know what they're doing...but I am a little disappointed.

kahljorn
Jul 25th, 2006, 03:14 PM
I don't know for a european or what the hell ever guy heath ledger is he did a pretty good job playing a redneck in brokeback mountain, even though I hated that movie.

timrpgland
Aug 2nd, 2006, 09:55 AM
It sounds official...

"Watching Heath Ledger's interpretation of this iconic character taking on Christian Bale's Batman is going to be incredible."

Mockery
Aug 2nd, 2006, 12:32 PM
Yeah Warner put out a press release about it, it's official. :/

Zomboid
Aug 2nd, 2006, 02:07 PM
Definitely not looking forward to this as much now...but ya never know :/

AChimp
Aug 2nd, 2006, 03:49 PM
I remember everyone complaining when they announced Tobey Maguire was going to be Spider Man, and then it turned out that he was really good at playing the character.

Everyone is basing their opinions on what they've seen of Ledger act in so far. No one has seen the auditions he did for the Joker; Batman Begins was pretty damn awesome, so I'm sure the filmmakers know what they're doing for this.

Mockery
Aug 2nd, 2006, 04:01 PM
I believe it's going to be a great movie regardless, because Batman Begins is easily my favorite superhero movie. The only thing is I can't picture Heath as the Joker because he just doesn't look the part at all. But who knows, maybe with the right make-up 'n shit, we'll see. Still, it's hard to be as excited about the Batman sequel now that I know Heath is the Joker instead of somebody else. I just hope he ends up proving the naysayers wrong and somehow pulls off an awesome Joker.

fastrunner
Aug 20th, 2006, 06:47 PM
It is a little disappointing to find out that Heath Ledger will be the Joker. But I hope that he proves us wrong and the movie turns out really good.

Mad Melvin
Aug 21st, 2006, 08:33 AM
Thats the spirit fastrunner, stick that tongue right up there.

pjalne
Aug 30th, 2006, 05:07 PM
Ryan Phillipe is Two-Face. :(

Batman vs. N*Sync.

Chojin
Aug 30th, 2006, 05:12 PM
He's bringing sexy back.

shakaconner
Oct 1st, 2006, 07:27 PM
I really wish that Crispin Glover would of been chosen, but im excited only for Heath Ledger for trying to give the joker A Clockwork Orange feel which is one of my favorite movies.

executioneer
Oct 2nd, 2006, 02:53 PM
i think christian bale should play the joker too

shakaconner
Oct 2nd, 2006, 10:33 PM
Paul Reubens is already set to play... I think.

now that would of been awesome

Azrael
Oct 4th, 2006, 10:42 AM
Heath might actually be able to pull it off, he comes off as a big goof in every single movie he is in.

Dr. V
Oct 4th, 2006, 10:08 PM
I think he comes off as a big douche, but whatever.