saw III

[Geggy]

People are passing out at showing of Saw III...or it could be that the brits are wimpy like that

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6101704.stm

[Azrael]

Pffffffftttt. The first two movies suck donkey balls, and I refuse to believe that people are passing out to this weak shit.

[Geggy]

I agree that the second one sucked ass but the first I thought was fairly intense, none more than Seven anyway.

Have you noticed the skyrocketing in the level of gore in new wave of horror films in these days? Hostel and TCM: the new beginning were both fucking disgusting! So I wonder if saw 3 is just as disgusting.

[liquidstatik]

hostel sucked, man
it wasn't gross at all

:/

[Krythor]

Saw III is fairly gratuitous. It's extremely mean spirited and macabre from beginning to end, so I can see why it would have that effect on people; it's the worst one yet, in every way.

I laughed really hard at Jigsaw's utopian romantic flashback in the middle of the brain drill scene.

[kahljorn]

hostel was like the worst movie :O

[Grislygus]

Have you noticed the skyrocketing in the level of gore in new wave of horror films in these days? Hostel and TCM: the new beginning were both fucking disgusting!

That's because they don't have JACK SHIT, and they fall back on gore to cover their asses. Our current wave of horror films are culturally worthless.

[Ninjavenom]

Have you noticed the skyrocketing in the level of gore in new wave of horror films in these days? Hostel and TCM: the new beginning were both fucking disgusting!

That's because they don't have JACK SHIT, and they fall back on gore to cover their asses. Our current wave of horror films are culturally worthless.


Shut up. You act like Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm St, Child's Play, or any other popular horror series aren't the same fucking thing.

[Fathom Zero]

I find it sad that people still faint in movie theatres. How can any movie possibly be that scary?

[Grislygus]

Shut up. You act like Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm St, Child's Play, or any other popular horror series aren't the same fucking thing.

I concede Friday the 13th.

The first Nightmare on Elm Street and the first Child's Play, however, had well written plots, clear story arcs, and significant cultural value. Saw and Hostel are crap, crap, crap, crap.

If I remember correctly, you're the one who watches Freak Squad, right?

[ArrowX]

The Current wave are just riding the wave saw started, they bring no memorable characters save for possibly Jigsaw. The reason people liked Friday the 13th, Nightmare, and Childs play are because of their respective characters. Would you go to a movie called Nightmare on Elm street if there was no freddy and jsut some generic bad guy? Not a chance. The current trend is relying almost entirely on shock value.

The Texas Chainsaw massacre films are exempt from this because they retain the spirit of the classic horror flick.

[Zomboid]

Shutup arrowx.

[Grislygus]

I would point out that the original Texas Chainsaw massacre lacked over-the-top, explicit gore, and yet still managed to be as revolting and shocking as possible.

[Fathom Zero]

Yeah, even though the gore was behind closed doors, it's remembered as the bloodiest, goriest movies ever. It's because of the atmosphere and the sound effects. Things just look like carbon copies of each other these days. Not that it wasn't years ago when slashers hit it big. I'm sure there were generic movies then, too. We remember Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Friday the 13th for one reason or another. They just seem to stand ahead of the pack.

[Supafly345]

You guys seem to be forgetting that all these movies are total shit. Just bad movies aimed to make a buck.

I like them despite this though, but you can't be a fucking horror snob when they all are crap. Unlress you are one of those fags that only watches movies like "The 6th Sense" over and over for you horror fix.

[Sethomas]

Actually, I watched a documentary a few years ago called "The American Nightmare". It talked about the age of horror films from roughly Night of the Living Dead to Halloween or Day of the Dead or whatever the most recent was, and it talked about the level of social consciousness that was displayed in them. The element of fear was used as a cultural medium. This is why Night of the Living Dead was seriously one of the most culturally stirring movies of all time--in the midst of the Civil Rights Movement, they made a movie about a black man that takes charge in an insane environment and ultimately gets killed by white trash. Day of the Dead, was that the one that mostly took place inside a mall? Anyways, that was a harsh commentary on how materialistic society had shifted ASAP after the radicalization of the Vietnam Era.

The present horror situation is just retarded. I've seen few such films, most recently The Hills have Eyes. It's just pornography for a different kind of masturbation, except it doesn't have the integrity of self-awareness as seen in sexual pornography.

If you aren't already aware, I was put on a bad combination of medications years ago that caused me to be batshit insane for a while. I had to suffer visualizations of eviscerating random people, often while I was holding conversations with them. I couldn't concentrate while listening to one guy because every time he talked I was fixated on what his face would look like with his cheeks ripped off. Having a young buff professor once, my attention span was limited in class because I couldn't look at him without wondering how I'd cook his pectoral muscles. See that obese guy? I wonder how long fat would drip from his fingers if he were burned at the stake. I had one medication change that fixed this, but when I went to yet another change I lost any sense of free will I had and drove 150 miles to murder an essentially random target just so I'd stop thinking about it. Thank God, I was stopped by two police officers that pulled me over for having a burned-out tail light. I knew that the right thing to do would be to admit to these problems, and once I did I probably permanently fucked up my future.

So, really, I've seen enough gore to last anyone a lifetime in my mental theater. When I see it recreated under the guise of "cinematic art", I just get the impression that some people never grew up out of middle school gore fantasies. Tarantino isn't an artist, he's a 12-year-old with a talent for dialog.

So, yeah, the obvious retort is "so what, not everyone is as fucked up as you". Whatever. Obviously people are going to do whatever makes them money, but that doesn't mean society isn't a collective of morons in allowing them to do as much with computer-generated brain splatters.

[Zen444]

George Romero said that it wasn't commentary on race, Duane Jones was just the best reader.

[ArrowX]

yup zen's right. The social commentary portion was a total fluke.

[Geggy]

While I agree that Hostel was bad, you have to be sick in the head not to find it disgusting.

[Grislygus]

Of course it's disgusting, gore at that level can't be anything but disgusting. However, that's all it had. Gore and violence. There wasn't really any film.


You guys seem to be forgetting that all these movies are total shit. Just bad movies aimed to make a buck.

I like them despite this though, but you can't be a fucking horror snob when they all are crap. Unlress you are one of those fags that only watches movies like "The 6th Sense" over and over for you horror fix.

Dammit, I promised myself that I wouldn't respond, because Sethomas went above and beyond the call of duty in that respect. Unfortunately, I'm unable to stop myself.

First of all, of course I can be a horror snob, because I'm an opinionated snob about movies in general. That doesn't change the fact that, as Sethomas has said, fear is a medium. It's a rich, diverse thing that can be achieved in a numerous amount of ways.

I have no doubt that you'll want to throttle me for being such a smug bastard after reading that, so please realize that I actually believe that wholeheartedly. It's not just art school bullshit.

Take the Omen, for example. Everywhere I go, I am confronted by the mentality that all horror is basically the same thing, so therefore The Excorcist is soooooo much better. This isn't true. The Exorcist relies on shock values and disgust, with an intriguingly simple storyline. It's one shock to another. The Omen relies on a rich storyline and atmosphere to instill a growing sense of dread, building to the climax.

I chose those movies, not only because they are literal opposites in the horror field while dealing with the same subject, but also mainly because every person here will undoubtedly say, "Those movies weren't scary at all."

Horror movies only scare you if you let them. Hell, that's part of the enjoyment, totally immersing yourself in it. However, people think the Excorcist is scarier because it's easier to let yourself be scared. The shock values are more immediately immersing than atmospheric horror.

As such, the current wave has totally and completely immersed itself in shock values and forgotten about the actual movie part. Or, they go down the atmospheric road and completely forget about the horror part.

This isn't to say that my beliefs apply to all horror movies. In fact, it can easily be said that all horror movie SEQUELS are bad movies aimed to make a buck. Except for Evil Dead.

Whew. Okay. I'm done being the art school cock.

[Sam]

What is so disgusting about Hostel?

Banana custard shooting out of an asian girl's burnt eye?

[Emu]

That sounds kind of hot :wank

[Zomboid]

yup zen's right. The social commentary portion was a total fluke.
I'm really not trying to follow you around and flame every post you make, but really, fuck off. You're going down to a juttin level (which isn't far from where you were anyway) and I think we've all had enough of that for a bit :D

As for the omen - I liked the original a whole lot but the remake was just fucking horrible. I don't know why they thought that'd be a good idea. Especially since they replaced Gregory Peck with that douchebag from the scream movies.

[GADZOOKS]

All horror movies are terrible garbage.

Except the shining, because I am a huge Scatman Crothers fan.

[Misdemonar]

I didn't saw this movie :lol

[ArrowX]

yup zen's right. The social commentary portion was a total fluke.
I'm really not trying to follow you around and flame every post you make, but really, fuck off. You're going down to a juttin level (which isn't far from where you were anyway) and I think we've all had enough of that for a bit :D

What, two posts? I never really understood what your problem with me is Zomboid, I can't think of any situation that I've ever actualy adressed you in any negative setting. I'm a bit baffled as you seem to be one of the few remaining board members who don't jut ignore me.

Please enlighten me as to just what the hell is your problem.

On Topic: Jaw Chain was fucking cool.

[Zomboid]

You seem to be constantly seeking approval, like an annoying little fat kid who follows his big brother around. You're always the first one to chime in with a useless opinion on something and it always looks like you're trying way too fucking hard. You see something that you think will garner you favor with people here and you run with it, only people realize it and you don't get too far. I'll put it this way. You'd be the first person to mention evil dead in a thread about movies.

I don't hate you, I just get really irritated every time I read one of your posts cause I can almost hear that annoying little 16-17 year old voice saying shit like "awww man that was sooo fucking cool when that guy got shot and you see all the blood and awwwww man it was sooooo bad ass".

[ArrowX]

fiar enough it makes sense to me and I dont' need to explain myself and the motive behind me still posting.

[Supafly345]

Christ.

[GADZOOKS]

I didn't see you nerds complain when Guitar Woman seeked your approval.


http://www.novirginsallowed.com/fyb/scatman.JPG
Oh Scatman. You were too wise for this world.

[Zomboid]

I complained. It just went unheard as it was muffled by the masturbation sounds of the 100 or so guys here who've never touched a girl.

[liquidstatik]

uhm so i dont know what to think of this movie
i liked soome parts of it, and then some of it kind of sucked

and the main girl pissed me off throughout the whole movie >:

it was fun to watch, though :]]

[noob3]

saw was okay, saw II sucked, saw III sucked even worse. me and my girlfriend saw it last night and it was a total snooze fest. the only redeeming part was that there WILL BE NO MORE SAWS.

if you guys have any problem with horror movies nowadays, don't watch them. you pretentious pussy fucks. go watch happy feet or whatever fucking g movie is out. I think horror movies are ace nowadays, when you have shit like hostel (<3) & wolf creek (<3)

hostel was such a badass movie, because i truley believed that the guy wasn't going to get out of there alive. and when he did, i got so giddy! it's not even a horror movie as a really great revenge flick.

pussys

[Grislygus]

You're right! How could I be such a pussy?! Obviously, Hostel was spectacular, today's horror movies are ace. I'm such a fool. Lawl, I actually used to like things like 1963's The Haunting. Man, now that I've seen the truth of Hostel, The Haunting is BORING. There's like, no blood or ANYTHING. Just a girl running around with freaky camera angles, what's up with that?

What else could I have missed in the name of culture? GOOD LORD! I haven't seen the Dukes of Hazzard yet! I'm a self professed fan of comedies, as well as film in general, and yet I haven't seen the raunchiest of laugh fests! Believe it or not, I actually felt that Dukes of Hazzard was inferior to raunchy comedies like Young Frankestein and History of the World, part One! WOW! What a snob I am! Can you believe I haven't seen Police Academy 6 yet? I mean, all comedies are just made to make a quick buck, and I was actually holding them to standards. Silly me.

[sspadowsky]

yup zen's right. The social commentary portion was a total fluke.

Nope, Zen's wrong. I saw an interview with Romero last week, where he said the social commentary part of it was entirely intentional.

[Sethomas]

Calling out a puerile, vacuous spade for being a puerile, vacuous spade makes one a pussy. I just love internet arguments.

[Grislygus]

I don't understand you anymore. :(

[noob3]

I just can't see how anyone could not find Hostel entertaining. I'm not sure what you look for in a movie, but I sure don't like to be bored. If you like boring movies, that's fine I suppose. Forgive me for enjoying my movies!

[Grislygus]

If I want to see mindless violence and cheap thrills, I'll watch one of the Howling sequels. (While we're on the topic of Howling sequels, good lord, avoid "New Moon Rising".)

A film doesn't need nonstop shock and trash to be entertaining. My reference to The Haunting as "boring" was heavily sarcastic.

[Girl Drink Drunk]

I would definately agree that the violence in the Saw movies are over the top. However, I also I think that the situations that the protagonists, and just the thought of knowing that they have to do something horrible to stay alive. That's what makes the movie so tense. Anyways on violence and horror, blablablah, I think that there should be a good balance between gore and atmosphere (and possibly a good script. I mean, you gotta have the gruesome scene in a movie that makes your stomach (like when Kevin Bacon got that arrow driven through his throat in Friday the 13th. Shut up), and at the same time have a tense mood (and possibly ambient music like in the Silent Hill games). I would like to see a movie that is both scary by using violence and elements of atmosphere, and can still be taken seriously. Also, I actually think that the original Texas Massacre is a tad overrated, because really, it didnt scare THAT much. I mean, there were some moments that made me cring, but COME ON, with a name with the words "chainsaw" and "massacre", I expected a few gruesome chainsaw related-killings (which turned out to be one, which WASNT disturbing at all). And come on, how was I supposed to take that seen in the car seriously where that creepy dad keeps saying "YOU'LL BE OKAY" and keeps poking the girl with a broom. There was random violence in the movie (which was pathetic at best) like when Leatherface just gets knocked down by a hammer and saws part-way through his leg. What was the point of that whole part?. Well, thats enough of my rant, and if I want horror, Ill just settle for the Silent Hill games, because they are actually a lot scarier than most horror movies I've watched.

[Grislygus]

Horror games in general will usually be more intense than movies, seeing as how you are directly interacting with the protagonist's well being.

[Zen444]

yup zen's right. The social commentary portion was a total fluke.

Nope, Zen's wrong. I saw an interview with Romero last week, where he said the social commentary part of it was entirely intentional.

"Casting Jones was potentially controversial. In the mid-twentieth century it was unusual for a black man to play the hero in a film that starred white actors, and commentators saw Romero's choice of Jones as significant. Romero, on the other hand, said that Jones "simply gave the best audition."

If he was white, he still would've gotten the part.

Y'see.

[xbxDaniel]

No, please explain it again, this time with more condescension.

Regardless of the debate on Romero's social commentaries, is Saw III worth five bucks for the rental fee, or not?

[Grislygus]

Sure, it's worth a rental. It's trash, but it'll give you your gore fix.

[xbxDaniel]

Aight, thanks.

[noob3]

don't believe it, i got into saw III for free and was sad that i wasted my 90 minutes in the theatre! that's how awful it was. if you thought II sucked, saw III will be like watching dogs having sex

[Fathom Zero]

The last great horror movie I saw was Slither. Now it's on DVD. :)

But the last movie that scared me shitless was The Mothman Prophecies. That tall thing with the eyes scared the Hell out of me because it reminded me of something my best friend's dad said he saw when he was a kid.

[zeldasbiggestfan]

Theres one part in this movie that made the girl 2 rows ahead of me and my girl toss her cookies and thats when the cop beats the shit out of his foot with the top of the toliet and rips it off. I thought it was funny as fuck and my gal was scared shitless. Classic. But other than that it wasnt too grand.

[Fathom Zero]

I think people like that are crazy.

[kahljorn]

"it's not even a horror movie as a really great revenge flick. "

That's exactlywhat i thought of this movie. First itwas coolguyspartying with pornography for like an hour with some "historical" traveling and then onto a relatively stupid unscary movie and then some dumb goreforlike five minutes and they don'teven show them cutting the toe off and finally (conveniently) in thelast five minutes of the movie everybody who made the main character mad was killed in a series of luck and revenge.

[noob3]

are your agreeing with me or jumping on the i hate hostel bandwagon[/i]

[kahljorn]

a little bit of both. I didn't really like the movie but after i saw it my first comment on it was that it was a revenge flick. But i thought that was kind of lame because it makes it seem like you can have a horribly shitty movie but as long as you end it with the main character killing everyone who made him mad in the movie the movie will be fine. I don't know, it's just obvious drama/direction (not obvious as in I knew it would happen but obvious as in the type of response it's supposed to get).
Plus I mean come on the guy is driving away from the horrible place and CONVENIENTLY out of ALL THE PLACES in the world that guy could be he was buying an icecream cone on a street the main character just happened to be driving down. Too convenient of a plot twist :( I mean sure maybe he was in town getting his money or something but still...

i didn't really know it was a bandwagon most of the people I know liked it :(

[noob3]

kind of like how that shitty star wars movie soda can robot just met up with tat skywalker kid & it just so happened to be the son of his robot friend's maker (best friend) or somthing before the death star exploded

[kahljorn]

yea but that was destined by the forest :rolleyes

[Ninjavenom]

Eh, it was okay. I kind of hate it but kind of love it. Some of the traps were fucking great (ribsplitter, hogsplatter) and some were lame (obligatory shotgun to the head/face which is characteristically not destructive) but i hated every character except Jigsaw and the little girl :-/. Also, the electric saw could have been WAY better. I was actually really mad that he didn't run the fucker through with the saw with a sickening spray of blood and guts. That was a major letdown. Plot was boring and predictable, and i thought the music/sound effects were actually pretty obtrusive and annoying, and there were quite a few cheap scares. This one didn't have the same atmosphere that the first one did and the second one (kind of) had, in that it was more about Amanda + Jigsaw then it was about the people whose lives were in danger.

[Geggy]

What is so disgusting about Hostel?

Banana custard shooting out of an asian girl's burnt eye?

It wasn't the eye thing. It was the psychopaths' idea of arousal which is to cut up a live person who's helplessly strapped to a chair that I found disturbing, and it makes the gore more digusting. It doesn't bother me when freddy krueger, chucky, jason or any of these slashers do the killings, because they're fictional characters that are not compatible with reality but in hostel, there are people out there who are sick enough to perform these type of behavior for the sake of gratification, let alone watching and enjoying it. ^^^

On the other hand the characters in "hostel" were annoying so I guess I was glad to see some of them get killed. I was disappointed the guy got away, the movie wouldn't have been as bad if he didn't. Since he was the only one left surviving, I predicted that he would get away. And in reality, he wouldn't have gotten away. Once you're in, there's just no way out.

[Ant10708]

[quote=Sam]Once you're in, there's just no way out. Maybe escaping once is possible but I agree there is no way he would of been able to rescue that asian chick and get out again. And what a cunt just kills herself over her vanity after he risked his ass to save her.

[sspadowsky]

yup zen's right. The social commentary portion was a total fluke.

Nope, Zen's wrong. I saw an interview with Romero last week, where he said the social commentary part of it was entirely intentional.

"Casting Jones was potentially controversial. In the mid-twentieth century it was unusual for a black man to play the hero in a film that starred white actors, and commentators saw Romero's choice of Jones as significant. Romero, on the other hand, said that Jones "simply gave the best audition."

If he was white, he still would've gotten the part.

Y'see.

I was referring to the movie itself, not casting Jones.

[kahljorn]

George A romero's movies are all social commentary. that's why there's flesh eatting monsters roaming about that nobody will kill because they remind them of their family or something. his first movie was supposed to be a critique of the vietnam era, or so I've heard. I think it's supposed to be showing the social weaknesses of capitalism/america.
illadmit it's hard to see those kinds of things in movies, though.