Nintendo Wii

[Chojin]

Why is the camera and game controls an issue with the Wii and not the game?

Anyway, I'm not a big fan of Twilight Princess, but try out Wii Sports. Although I somehow get the impression that you're going to complain about boxing ;<

[Microshock]

chojin...you have to remember that this is such a big break thru from normal 2 analog stick joypads that itll take some time even for Nintendo to get used to it.

As for me...i never played a 3d zelda before twilight princess and i really love the game.

it has such a huge epic feel and it makes me feel like i am really link saving hyrule.

[Divisible by Waffle]

I once again find myself unable to tangle through incorrect terminology and ask the right questions. Let me try again:

I had a terrible experience playing a Twilight Princess demo. The controls were absolutely wretched. Is this an issue with the game, or the Wii?

And actually, all I can play are the games they happen to have on display at the stores, as I don't have a Wii yet. I'm saving up for one, though, and I just want to make sure I won't be wasting my money on a shitty system that has a controller with all the control prowess of the Powerglove.

[Fathom Zero]

The first time I saw the Wiimote I thought, "Oh shit, it's a Powerglove upgrade."

Whatever though. The Wii's still on my list after the Xbox 360.

Recently, though, I was bothered by what my friends were talking about. They said the only really good games they were able to play were Wii Sports and maybe Zelda. I don't know what games they owned or rented, but it kind of scares me that, at this point, the only good games are launch titles.

Their opinions are wierd. But they are nothing but opinions. I've got Red Steel, Elebits, and Excite Truck on my list.

As for me...i never played a 3d zelda before twilight princess and i really love the game.

I almost forgot how old you are, but this reaffirms everything. You're woefully underprivileged if you haven't played Ocarina of Time or Majora's Mask.

It'll be really awesome when they move to the Virtual Console, so keep an eye out.

[Divisible by Waffle]

I'm honestly kind of worried that Majora won't make a great transition to the Virtual Console. Remember the problems it had on Zelda Collector's Edition, because it sometimes remembered that the Gamecube doesn't have an N64 Expansion Pack? It didn't happen often, but every once in awhile...

I just hope that they're able to fix that, or a lot of people are going to be very pissed off.

[Chojin]

I'm trying to be less of an apologist (or "press release" as gadzooks would SAY), but I'll try to answer your questions -

The difference between the Wii and the Power Glove is that the Wii works, it's the developers that are the bottleneck between the remote and what happens. Most developers didn't actually get their hands on the Wii hardware until juuust before their games were supposed to launch, ergo, the control for many games was a real crap shoot and either passable or terrible. In contrast, Nintendo's controls are generally way better, since they're been working with the hardware the longest.

Wii Sports controls well in 3 of its 5 games. Zelda controls just fine, as it should, because most of the controls revolve around buttons and joysticks. Warioware actually works surprisingly well. For 3rd parties, Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam, Elebits, and Trauma Center: Second Opinion all control very well. All of the Wii's menus and channels control excellently, to the point of perfection.

Virtual Console games are generally just roms, although the N64 titles have been getting 'updated', mostly to reduce the filesize and optimize textures. They took out a ghost racing option in Mario Kart 64, I understand, but then again I hate that game anyway.

it kind of scares me that, at this point, the only good games are launch titles.

Of course the only good games are launch titles YOU FUCKING IDIOT THE SYSTEM JUST CAME OUT THREE MONTHS AGO

FUCK

Anyway, the Wii will start getting some fantastic games as soon as the games arrive that began their development cycle AFTER the system was released to the public. That means you'll start having some good shit around holiday season '07 and hopefully from then on.

Again, not to sound like an apologist, but this is the story of EVERY VIDEO GAME CONSOLE IN THE HISTORY OF FUCK. Actually, the Wii can more or less be compared to the 360 in terms of quality games being released - 360's release came with people pissing and moaning about the 'xbox 1.1' graphics and a lack of good games - the difference here is that not only are there actually a handful of good, functional games for the Wii right now, but the Virtual Console is a hell of a lot of fun too, and the internet and news channels add something unique to the console that actually are pretty useful.

So the bottom line is this - You were either playing at a shitty kiosk or you are mentally retarded. There ARE games with shitty controls on Wii - lots of them, actually, but they're all from THQ and other large companies that just released some ports without a hardware reference.

[DuFresne]

OK, waffle, here's my opinion on your problem.

The wii,in general, takes some getting used to: knowing how far to be from the screen, how much to move your wrist, etc. etc. That said, the pointer used in LOZ is slightly more latent than in most wii games. Personally, I really don't find it to be too big a problem, especially when you consider that z-targeting will allow you to almost never need the crosshair. As for shooting into the ground, hold B longer before shooting. Or don't aim into the ground, whichever you were doing wrong.

I've said it before, but if you want proof that the wii can get over these pointer latency problems 100%, look at Trauma Center. The pointer feel like a laser pointer: no latency whatsoever.

So in short, after one gets used to using the wii, any control problems can almost certainly be blamed on the game, not the system or the remote.

Edit: i was writing this before chojin posted his post, which is why I repeated some points. :(

[Chojin]

Also if you want to hear about specific games, I have a website that does that that I link on every page in this thread because I have magic powers and can get away with that.

http://www.erickandemily.com

[GADZOOKS]

Fuck you, Blu Ray rules. Nintendo is going down the tubes. >:D

http://www.tweakers.net/ext/i.dsp/1048867015.jpg

It's fucking insane!

[Emu]

You need to review something else and get that Spongebob abortion off your front page >:

[Divisible by Waffle]

All right. You answered my question, Chojin. Thanks! I'm pretty sure I'm not mentally retarded, so I'm just going to assume that the demo Wii was shitty, or the batteries in the controller were low.

If the system itself isn't flawed, it might just be the shitty demo game they had on display. I'll give it another go soon.

[Zen444]

DOWNLOADING GAMES FOR MONEY!?

INNOVATION!

ZOMG!

http://images.tomshardware.com/2002/02/04/everything_there_is_to_know_about_the_xbox/xboxlogo.jpg

[DistantJ]

Calm down fellas, it's only videogames.

People fight way too much about games.

[Chojin]

Finally got my review of the new Sonic game for Wii up:

http://erickandemily.com/index.php

[DuFresne]

That "some games" joke is a broken link. :( I want to know want which crappy wii game he was talking about!

[DuFresne]

Also, can somebody please tell me straight how the wii stacks up graphically compared to the original Xbox? I've heard that it is more powerful, but I'm not seeing it. Could the wii handle graphics along the lines of Riddick or Halo 2, etc. ?

[Fathom Zero]

No. It's Gamecube v1.5.

That's not saying things won't get better. I think things'll be lookin' good rather soon.

[zeldasbiggestfan]

Hopefully. You never know with nintendo sometimes.

[Microshock]

isnt it like gamecube 2.0 power?

its definetely more powerful than all the 3 last gen systems

[Emu]

You'll never know a system's true graphical capabilities til a few years after it's released. Compare Shadow of the Colossus to, say, Summoner on the PS2.

[Chojin]

On paper, the wii 's hardware is somewhere between the xbox and the xbox 360.

[timrpgland]

Closer the XBOX I think. Doesn't really matter anyway. Doesn't take tremendous hardware to make fun games.

[zeldasbiggestfan]

Dude R-type is now downloadable on the wii.

I WISH I HAD ONE GODDAMNIT.

[Fathom Zero]

Closer the XBOX I think. Doesn't really matter anyway. Doesn't take tremendous hardware to make fun games.

I concur.

Dude R-type is now downloadable on the wii.

I WISH I HAD ONE GODDAMNIT.

Heheheh, R-Type has been downloadable for the PSP for a few weeks now. Of course that's the Playstation version. Not the same, but still sehr gut.

[Chojin]

When the 360 came out, people everywhere were complaining that the differences between it and the normal XBox were intangible. I think that as developers get more time with the system - as they did with the 360 - that the Wii's graphics will begin to impress some people as well.

[cestkathryn]

I got the Wii recently, and I really like it. I am not a hardcore gamer so I'm not knowledgable about all the bells and whistles, and I'm easily amused, but all I've played is Wii Sports and Splinter Cell because the games are expensive. The graphics are good, and like Chojin said, somewhere between Xbox and the 360.

[Microshock]

u got splinter cell and not zelda!?!?!?!

shame...

run out and get zelda right now. Now.

[Grislygus]

Yes, because it's impossible to enjoy Splinter Cell without playing Zelda.

[Fathom Zero]

Oh yes, sir.

[cestkathryn]

Chill out, I will get Zelda when it's in stock!

[timrpgland]

Make sure to get a Gamecube copy too. ;)

[Lenor]

Fuck buying it, I'll use chojin's.

[Zinger]

I got mine for Christmas, so far I only have Zelda and Wii Sports. Waiting for Super Smash Bros. Brawl like a kid waiting for an Ice Cream truck on a hot day. :(

[Lenor]

Did you want a cookie?

[Fathom Zero]

Don't talk to her Zinger. She only wants your body.

And I am very much waiting for SSBB with baited breath.

[Lenor]

Zero, I'm quoting that, k?

Seriously, its quite funny.

[Lenor]

delete post

[DistantJ]

I got the Wii recently, and I really like it. I am not a hardcore gamer so I'm not knowledgable about all the bells and whistles, and I'm easily amused, but all I've played is Wii Sports and Splinter Cell because the games are expensive. The graphics are good, and like Chojin said, somewhere between Xbox and the 360.

That's why I bought the Wii. Because I'm not hardcore. I just want fun. And it's the best games console I've played on since the MegaDrive (and I've owned a PlayStation, N64, Dreamcast, GameCube, PS2 and even an Xbox 360 at one point).

They made Streets of Rage downloadable now!!

[James]

asdfasdfasffas

[the_dudefather]

great post, I'm a bit disappointed with the wii myself so far, it might turn out like the DS, with a poor launch window, but with some great games in the later months (the DS lite launch being a massive second wind regarding my enthusiasm for it, along with a decent selection of games at that time)

it would be nice to see Nintendo do a great new starfox game (at this point we have more average games than fantastic ones), especially after the teaser of sorts in wario ware

it is doubtful that the wii can replace the 360 or PS3 for proper gaming, but the wii will hopefully be able to get a couple of stand out titles to extend its use past the novelty stage

and yeah, the online sucks balls

[GADZOOKS]

Why don't you make this post when the system is out at least a year :rolleyes

I'm not getting a Wii, there are no games I see worth spending 250 dollars on. That's why I buy a console, for the games and not the controls. It's going to be a system I'll get 8 years from now on Ebay for 50 dollars, when Mario Galaxy and maybe 3 other good games are out.

You also seem to have some delusions of grandeur with the Nintendo 64. You don't remember the fact that for the first few months there was nothing to play but Mario 64, Waverace, and PILOTWINGS. It wasn't until about 4 or 5 months that Mario Kart came out, and then it wasn't until 1998 until Ocarina was released. But did anyone complain? No because "HOLY SHIT I CAN PLAY MARIO IN 3D" held people over. Otherwise, the first years of Nintendo 64 were awful.

But really, the system just came out. Nothing is expected of it until after MAY. You aren't saying anything anyone has already said it one of the 300 Wii threads we have here. So unless you are sending this to get a job at Destructoid or Joystiq, I fail to see it's point.

[DistantJ]

To be fair, like all games consoles, it all depends on you.

You're not wrong to not want one, just because everybody else does, and just because everybody else wants one and you don't doesn't mean that they're misguided or making assumptions.

I have the Wii, simply because I was going off gaming after things became needlessly complex and focused on intense enemy AI and strategy, which I really don't care for, whilst Wii brought back the fun and simplicity which I remember so fondly from the old days.

Wii speaks more to people like myself, who see gaming as a casual fun hobby, and for those who like to follow the Nintendo franchises like Zelda. If you're into high definition advanced gaming with clever AI and intense gameplay mechanics, then you definitely want to look the other way.

The motion sensing just replaces button pushes with arm waving
Let me just correct you there - this one really depends on what game you're playing and the developer. A lot of the earlier games do just emulate button presses with motions, because they were developed for the GameCube hardware and later moved to it. If you play Wii Sports Tennis, although the character on the screen swings his bat in the same animation each time, the speed, direction, etc, at which you swing the remote, always affects how the ball will fly.

At the same time, though, in games like Zelda, where instead of pressing B to sword you just flick your arm around a little, I can tell you that for people like myself, it's very satisfying. I wouldn't go back to a GameCube controller for Zelda now. When you can leap out of your seat and go crazy whilst fighting off a boss, I just find it brilliant fun.

There's also the 'pointing', which, while it requires a bit of trial and error with setting up the infared bar and getting used to the position of it, can be brilliant in first person games. I found Red Steel to be brilliantly satisfying to play, being able to just move my aim by moving my arm rather than an analog stick or mouse, having the aim on the screen independant rather than always having to look in the very centre, it's like the old days of Duck Hunt or House of the Dead, but with full control of your character's movement. In Call of Duty 3, you only see the front of the weapon on the screen, like a classic FPS, but it moves left, right, up or down and turns slightly depending on the angle of your hand, and, moreso than Red Steel, it can actually feel like you're really holding the gun you see on the screen. I find that so satisfying.

I wouldn't complain about the Virtual Console at all (other than it's lack of button re-mapping on the Classic/Gamecube control pad). Sure there are some crappy games on it, but some people might still want those. I'm hoping that all of the main games from each system will appear eventually. Being able to play those classic SEGA MegaDrive games I remember from years back on a new console with a wireless controller, without dusting off some old cartridge, is brilliant if you ask me, and the lineup is a hell of a lot better than that on Xbox Live Arcade (not that that one's particularly bad, I mean, they have DOOM! :D).

Motion sensing is an overhyped gimmick
I wouldn't call it that, really. It doesn't change the future of gaming, not for the hardcore gamers, but for people like me who are just looking for a laugh, it's the best thing since sliced bread. Also it's worth noting that my Mother and Father love to play on the Wii, and neither of them can play videogames with a gamepad. Even my Grandfather has played on it a few times. Using motions instead of buttons just makes it that much easier for them.

It's also fun when I have a friend over playing a game, let's say, Red Steel, and when they ask "How do I reload?", instead of me saying "B button", I get to show him what he has to do with his arms.

It's NOT a 'replacement' for gamepads, rather an alternative. I definitely can't see the PlayStation 4 and Xbox 720 using motion sensing remotes, and if they do, I think it'd be a foolish thing to do.

Wii may be selling faster than any other console, but to different people. I was always a SEGA fan (though Nintendo are pretty cool, and the PlayStation was great too), I always liked Arcade-like games where you just get a good atmosphere and good fun, without having to do too much thinking and without having to have crazy skills (It's official, I suck at difficult games). Wii seems like the best choice for people like myself - not just for the motion sensing, but for the style and design of the games, too. Since the motion sensing keeps things interesting, the games seem to stay more simple and don't get up their own asses with complexity.

I love it, but I can see why others wouldn't. I'd reccomend that you buy an Xbox 360 (or a PS3 if you want to play MGS4 or Final Fantasy) instead, because it'd be more suited to you. Just becasue the Wii is hyped, doesn't mean you should buy into it.

I hope I helped. :)

[Zomboid]

I haven't read any of the long posts in here. I just wanted to say that I like my 360 and I played the wii and it was really fun with the novelty of playing bowling like that, but I wouldn't wanna play regular games like that :O

It's a fun system but I don't like standing up and moving around like a douchebag to get my guy on screen to do something. It definitely is more fun than I thought it'd be though.

[timrpgland]

I'm excited about eventually getting a Wii but I don't mind waiting for some awesome games to come out. I did the line thing a couple times but I've stopped doing that. I anticipate the Wii being my break away from "normal gaming" for the most part with some epic titles here and there. It'll do its job and is fun to play. It's just different.

[Black Flag]

what is the point of making this thread?

ok, james, it's understood you don't like the wii and aren't impressed by the controls

it's NOT that big of a deal man. if you don't like it then don't like it just shut up about it oh my god

[GADZOOKS]

that's what I said, but DISTANT J had to flood the thread with a bunch of garbage babble

[timrpgland]

Umm so what's the point of any thread?

This is a forum.... right? To talk about gaming.... right?

[Chojin]

I agree with James to an extent, and while I feel that it'll take at least until the holiday season to find games release with the Wii's abilities truly in mind, it's easy to get exasperated with the system as-is. The Wii's biggest problem in my estimation is that it is so very, very easy to make a terrible game with it. With the DS, uncreative people can just toss a map onto the other screen, but with the Wii, the throwaway option seems to be 'uhh, let's map this to some MOTION SENSING!' The worst is when some genius decides to map the nunchuk's tilt to camera control, because the stance many people adopt when playing nunchuk games makes them hold the controllers sideways.

So far ALL of my favorite games for Wii don't use the Nunchuk at all. That attachment in particular makes the Wii feel like I have to put some time aside to play it (like I would with any other system), but just being able to pop the system on with the remote's power button and then just using that is easy and feels natural and simple. Plus, I hate the cord that connects the remote and nunchuk and I can't believe they actually released it like that ;< That cord severely limits the number of motions you can easily do, and I've whipped myself in the face a few times already trying to do the 'cow toss' in Rayman with that thing attached.

[Chojin]

Also, I think Nintendo should release new remotes with extra buttons on the bottom and a larger D-Pad (sorta like with Sega did with the Genesis). I hate having to connect a classic controller to play a quick VC game, and even though I have 4 wavebird adapters attached, I prefer games that I just tilt the remote sideways for, and therefore I lean toward nes/turbografix/genesis games when I do play the VC.

[GADZOOKS]

Umm so what's the point of any thread?

This is a forum.... right? To talk about gaming.... right?

f*ck you, dw**b

We have a Nintendo Wii thread already, with many of these things already said. That's the point.

[Chojin]

Good point, I'll condense this thread into that one.

[Cliff Steele]

So far the only thing I really use my Wii for is getting online, I play games but I'm not really a hardcore gamer. I am about half way through Zelda right now, and I have Wii Sports, Wii Play, and Super Monkey Ball also. Wii Play is really lame, I just bought that so I could get another wiimote, Super Monkey Ball has the shittiest controls of any game I have ever played, and I am pretty sick of Wii Sports, but it's alright when friends come over. I like the virtual console and I am excited about indepent developers signing up to add new content. Honestly, I have probably played Mario 64 more than any new game so far. But I really do like the web browser, it's pretty functional and I was excited to learn I could watch videos on youtube on it, alot of my days off I just lay on my couch and browse on it as opposed to my pc, the typing isn't really that much of a hassel and I'm sure a keyboard will be out eventually.

[Chojin]

Also James, Schimid was looking for a Wii for about a week or two before he found one. It isn't impossible and he wasn't searching every moment of his life for it.

[Cliff Steele]

Use wiifinder, the ship dates and amount for Target stores are accurate. Here i had to wait in line, but I have alot of friends in Siloam Springs, AR, with a population of about 40,000, and they are regularly on the shelves, so you might check a smaller town like that.

[timrpgland]

f*ck you, dw**b

We have a Nintendo Wii thread already, with many of these things already said. That's the point.


Yep, that was your point and I agree that it could've been included in the Nintendo Wii thread.

Probably should have quoted but I was aiming at Black Flag because his statements concerns the post itself and not just starting a new thread outside of the Nintendo Wii thread.

[Black Flag]

timrpgland it was stupid cause there's already a 10 plus page thread about the wii

i wasn't like "OH DUDE VIDEO GAMES ARE FOR NERDS YO GUYS SHOULD TALK ABOUT FOOTBALL"

[timrpgland]

Then I misread your post and apologize.


what is the point of making this thread?

ok, james, it's understood you don't like the wii and aren't impressed by the controls

it's NOT that big of a deal man. if you don't like it then don't like it just shut up about it oh my god

[James]

asdfasddfdasfdsa

[Black Flag]

james the wii is popular because it's relatively cheap and it has appeal to people who aren't traditional gamers. pretty much anyone can pick up and play wii sports and have atleast a moderate amount of fun and that goes a long way

if you don't like it, though, you don't like it. really it's all a matter of preference. there are horrible wii games but there are also horrible ps3 games and horrible 360 games. the wii's controls aren't inferior to 360's or ps3's but they aren't superior either, it's just something different. if it doesn't appeal to you there's nothing anyone can tell you that'll instantly make it click in your head.

[DistantJ]

people who aren't traditional gamers

Or perhaps people who ARE traditional gamers. Remember, some of us were around when gaming was a lot more simple and straightforward. ;)

[GADZOOKS]

No one deemed it the Best Console Ever, at least no one with any credibility.

[Fathom Zero]

Dear Jesus, High School Musical: The Game is coming to the Wii and DS.

[DuFresne]

I just bought one of those notorious wi-fi usb connectors, despite what people had to say about it. I had some problems at first, but now it seems to working flawlessly. The instruction manual says the wii can be up to 30 ft. away, which is bullshit. It didn't start working well until I decided to put the wii within 5 ft. of my computer. :\

Does anyone know if you can buy Wii points on debit? Just making sure before I try it.

[Fathom Zero]

I'm sure you can. The Visa Debit Card works in pretty much the same way as a credit card, to my knowledge.

[Cliff Steele]

why buy one of those adaptors? you can get a router for like 10 bucks more and then you don't have to have it right next to your computer

[Fathom Zero]

Because it has "Wii" written on it. People'll automatically assume that it works and is best.

[GADZOOKS]

It doesn't have Wii written on it, you chad.

I got it because I bought it for cheap. Also my experience with wireless routers have always been crappy, direct connection rules!

Of course I have it for the DS, which isn't constantly on like the Wii. I wouldn't recommend it for Wii users because you would have to leave your computer on all the time to make sure you get those juicy NINTENDO NOTES.

Has anyone even got any?

[Cliff Steele]

All I get is the memo that says what I've played for the day, and stuff like when my mii is added to a new game. I think I got a note when the everybody votes channel came out.

[DuFresne]

I got one from Nintendo informing me about how cool the Wii is.

[Cliff Steele]

man i hadn't seen anything on super paper mario yet, it looks really really fun!

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=17697&type=mov&pl=game

for some reason watching that trailer made me really want the mystical ninja games to come out on virtual console

[DuFresne]

I just tried buying points on debit, and it won't let me. They demand I input an accurate billing adress. Obviously, debit users don't have one of those. Dammit, I guess it's off to EB.

[Chojin]

You're probably typing your county in wrong. I had to go online and look up the OFFICIAL POST OFFICE NOMENCLATURE for my county, which is "PRINCE GEORGES COUNTY". So, yeah, I have to leave out the apostrophe and misspell my county's name to have the Wii accept it ;<

[Black Flag]

They demand I input an accurate billing adress. Obviously, debit users don't have one of those.

that's not obvious because it's not true and also a ridiculously stupid thing to say

[Cliff Steele]

the first few times i bought wii points i didn't pay much attention and thought it said country, i put united states:lol

it goes through like that, but now that i realized it says county it doesn't charge me tax any more

[kahljorn]

i get asked for my information all the time when usig a debit online or at gas stations
asking for the zip code that's connected to the card (wherever it was assigned) is pretty common.

[Lenor]

Testosterone clean-up on isle four..

[Fathom Zero]

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6346/mapgifqz1.gif

[Lenor]

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d19/lenore00/grocerystore.jpg

[GADZOOKS]

Unless that grocery story only has only 4 aisles, I doubt that's it.

[Lenor]

Can you prove that is not isle 4 of that grocery store?

[DuFresne]

Fathom already did.

[Lenor]

OH .. sure .. my spelling is off. AISLE 4 OF THE GROCERY STORE!

[Fathom Zero]

Phew, glad you cleared that up.

I HAD NO IDEA WHAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY BEEN TALKING ABOUT. I MEAN, I WAS THINKING, "WHA? DOES SHE MEAN HAWAII? NAW, IT COULDN'T BE."

>:

[Lenor]

http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/

[Chojin]

I just spent literally all day coding the PHP for ErickAndEmily and adding widgets and wingdings everywhere, so I'd rly appreciate it if y'all would head over there and let me know if something's broken.

http://www.erickandemily.com

[Fathom Zero]

Nothing looks broken, mang.

[Lenor]

Eric, it looks wonderouse.

[Chojin]

NEW REVIEWS NEW CODING NEW CAT APPARATII

http://www.erickandemily.com

There's a review of Super Paper Mario in the featured box right now! SPIFFO

[Fathom Zero]

For some reason, IE is rendering the page with the Name, Statistics, and screenshots overlapping with the ads.

At least, that's the way it is for me.

[Chojin]

Can you give me a screenshot? Are you using IE 6 or 7?

[Fathom Zero]

Nevermind, the page looks right now.