Michael Richards at it again... [Archive]

Zomboid

Nov 21st, 2006, 02:38 PM

I don't get why gadzook's thread was closed. Yeah they're about the same guy but that was a clip from a movie and he had a very real, very weird clip from letterman in a forum about tv. Maybe I'm missin something here but that's kinda odd.

Edit: Oh. There ya go.

Mockery

Nov 21st, 2006, 03:00 PM

Closed it so we can all talk about it here in the main forum for those people who don't usually visit the movies forum. That's why I linked to it from here and included the letterman clip.

GADZOOKS

Nov 21st, 2006, 03:04 PM

whatever, creep

kahljorn

Nov 21st, 2006, 03:05 PM

lol i like in the video where you hear people laughing and jerry goes, "Stop laughing it's not funny". Mr. Serious !

mburbank

Nov 21st, 2006, 03:05 PM

It's bummin' me out, man.

I've loved Richards since he was on "Fridays" a HORRIBLE sketch comedy show valuable only for showcasing Richards way back when, and for a prank Andy Kaufman staged with Richards assistance.

The mental pressure of Stand-up is not to be underestimated. When I was frequenting the clubs in the eighties, I saw more than one comic totally loose it and freak out.

That being said, it's kind of horrible what came bubbling up out of his psyche when he did freak out.

Nowhere NEAR as funny as Mel Gibson.

FartinMowler

Nov 21st, 2006, 03:14 PM

Isn't a stand-up comedy place pretty much anything goes?

kahljorn

Nov 21st, 2006, 03:16 PM

lol everything except racist comments against races that aren't your own i guess.

at first i thought he was calling God a ****** because of how he was facing upwards and I thought it was hilarious :O

thebiggameover

Nov 21st, 2006, 03:22 PM

that act would have killed in the south...

Mockery

Nov 21st, 2006, 03:43 PM

that act would have killed in the south...
Sadly, you're probably right.

Pub Lover

Nov 21st, 2006, 03:59 PM

Why can't a white guy call a black guy a disreputable person of African-American descent?

FartinMowler

Nov 21st, 2006, 04:11 PM

Why can't a white guy call a black guy a disreputable person of African-American descent?

Do native people still chuck Spears in New Zealand? :/

Azrael

Nov 21st, 2006, 04:17 PM

It doesn't bother me that much. But he should have known better. I saw a similar situation at our own Comedy Club a few months ago. A Black guy was attempting to heckle the opening act, and failed miserably at it.. The comedian then starts making racial jokes, and telling the dude he isn't funny. We were rolling on the floor, he completely owned the heckler. BUT, he never once stooped to using the N word. There is a big difference between racial humour, and racial slurs. It's something Dave Chappelle had a great understanding of.

Pub Lover

Nov 21st, 2006, 04:17 PM

The other day one of Chris Rock's live shows was on tv here, he was heckled and his response was "Shut up, ******".

If Michael Richards had said 'Asshole' instead, would there be this outcry, what if the heckler had been white...?

I find the idea of banned words for only some people offensive.

I do not agree that Michael Richards was right in his tirade, however.

Do native people still chuck Spears in New Zealand? :/
Yes.

mburbank

Nov 21st, 2006, 04:26 PM

Okay, I believe a white comedian could, theoretically, call someone ****** and get away with it IF, IF, IF he makes it funny, which is hard enough.

But Richards wasn't making much of an effort to be funny. He'd lost it. Being in the audience when a comic looses it on the audience is pretty uncomfortable to begin with, and the slurs combine with the uncomfirtable, unfunny awfullness of the moment and make a horrible stew.

doopa

Nov 21st, 2006, 04:37 PM

that act would have killed in the south...
Sadly, you're probably right.

only in georgia

Jixby Phillips

Nov 21st, 2006, 04:37 PM

Hey guys, just so you know, I've read 14 pages of debate on this issue on another message board, so why don't we skip it and just have fun

seriously I love that this happened. Its so great, waiting for him to come on letterman must've been how my mom felt waiting for the beatles to come on ed sullivan. I like to think I wasn't alone in this, and that there was not a single crime commited durring the broadcast.

GADZOOKS

Nov 21st, 2006, 05:29 PM

Stop laughing, it's not funny

Liked I said in my cancelled thread, this is the best moment in my television history. The only thing I can compare it to was Andy Kaufman on Fridays which just so happened to have Richards in it.

Archduke Tips

Nov 21st, 2006, 05:42 PM

Don't worry, all this racial tension stuff that has been happening lately will be swept under the rug. Everybody will get back to gettin' that GOLD!!!

DuFresne

Nov 21st, 2006, 06:26 PM

The only thing I can compare it to was Andy Kaufman on Fridays which just so happened to have Richards in it.

Was that the incident in Man on the Moon when Andy totally breaks the fourth wall, and the actors are all WTF?

GADZOOKS

Nov 21st, 2006, 07:21 PM

Yes.

Supposedly Richards was in on that one, but I've seen some behind the scenes stuff of Richards being a real dick when people mess up so I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't.

Fathom Zero

Nov 21st, 2006, 07:24 PM

Who is Michael Richards?

Emu

Nov 21st, 2006, 07:29 PM

He played Kramer on Seinfeld.

Preechr

Nov 21st, 2006, 07:39 PM

that act would have killed in the south...
Sadly, you're probably right.

only in georgia

Dang, Y'all!

Does it ever cross any of your minds that knowing what you are talking about before talking about it is sometimes a good thing? I mean, here we are talking about some guy making crude, ignorant comments about groups of unfamiliar people...

They gave us a choice after the war, we got to pick the ******s or the yankees. We kept the ******s.

Because it's such a sore subject, racism is much less prevalent in the South than it is in the north. I've lived in both, and out west. It's one thing to talk about black people, it's another thing altogether to build your white societies in such a way as to eliminate the possibility of your daughter ever dating one.

GADZOOKS

Nov 21st, 2006, 08:21 PM

Who is Michael Richards?

Yeah, this is why I didn't post this in general blabber.

Jixby Phillips

Nov 21st, 2006, 08:54 PM

could you blame him, mark? He DID make a webpage with a youtube video embedded on it.

he even centered it!

GADZOOKS

Nov 21st, 2006, 08:56 PM

And what a surprise, the center feature doesn't work.

This is a conspiracy and I am furious.

zeldasbiggestfan

Nov 21st, 2006, 09:01 PM

How come nobody got pissed off during Clerks 2 (except the the black couple who left after they heard porch monkey) when Randal said "Porch Monkey" or the n word? In fact 4/6 main characters said it (excluding Jay and Silent Bob). Hell they even said other ones too that I cant spell. They werent using it against someone though but they still said it. I dont really understand why I or other people for that matter get all pissed when someone does that. And also why can black people say "Honky" and "Cracker" but we cant say then word? Fucked up.

Jixby Phillips

Nov 21st, 2006, 09:02 PM

You're such a fucking moron

Spengler

Nov 21st, 2006, 09:06 PM

Carlos Mencia would've gotten away with it.

Misdemonar

Nov 21st, 2006, 09:33 PM

so would a black guy!

Esuohlim

Nov 21st, 2006, 09:56 PM

Yes.

Supposedly Richards was in on that one, but I've seen some behind the scenes stuff of Richards being a real dick when people mess up so I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't.

I've seen those Seinfeld outtakes on the DVDs. He gets into some sort of "zone" and if anyone flubs lines he has absolutely no sense of humor about it.

Which is why I don't know what to make of it. I'm sure his outburst was intended ONLY to piss people off on purpose because he was angry, which is hilarious, but on the other hand his apology was one of the most awkward things I've ever seen. I don't want to think that he's an actual racist, but I have lost a little respect for him (not as a stand-up comedian though, he doesn't seem like much of one anyway) :(

GADZOOKS

Nov 21st, 2006, 10:49 PM

His stand-up is awful, he deserved the heckles.

WhiteRat

Nov 22nd, 2006, 04:02 AM

Richards' racial tirade doesn't change the fact that Trial & Error is a comedic masterpiece.

mburbank

Nov 22nd, 2006, 09:46 AM

To Preechr's point; The Randy Newman song 'Red Necks' says it best, but you have to listen all the way to the end.

Randy Newman is a fuckin' genius.

Geggy

Nov 22nd, 2006, 10:24 AM

after years of oppression and slavery of the blacks by the whites, we kind of deserve being made fun of by the blacks so its ok when they do it, ya know what i'm sayin?

Azrael

Nov 22nd, 2006, 10:45 AM

after years of oppression and slavery of the blacks by the whites, we kind of deserve being made fun of by the blacks so its ok when they do it, ya know what i'm sayin?

You really are an uber-liberal fag, you know that? Blacks are not the only race to ever be enslaved in the history of the world. Plus nothing excuses racism, no matter what race is doing it.

Geggy

Nov 22nd, 2006, 11:13 AM

I didn't know it was a liberal thing to let blacks take out their anger on whites through insults and funny jokes. By the way isn't calling a straight a fag the same thing as calling a white a ******?

RectalWart

Nov 22nd, 2006, 11:25 AM

after years of oppression and slavery of the blacks by the whites, we kind of deserve being made fun of by the blacks so its ok when they do it, ya know what i'm sayin?

Fuck you geggy. I haven't oppressed ANYone, and don't feel any "racial guilt" so letting blacks "take it out" on whites for past oppressions is the most stupid concept I've ever heard of. Tell ya what, trot your happy ass down to the dark side of YOUR town, and you "take one" for all of us. Wear a sign; "I'm here to pay for all of your ancestors oppression! Abuse me!" Let us know how you make out.

Esuohlim

Nov 22nd, 2006, 12:08 PM

Hey how about you ******s take it to the political forum

Schimid

Nov 22nd, 2006, 12:14 PM

These pretzels are making me thirsty!

WhiteRat

Nov 22nd, 2006, 01:19 PM

Cosmo Electrolux

Nov 22nd, 2006, 01:45 PM

that act would have killed in the south...
Sadly, you're probably right.

only in georgia

Because it's such a sore subject, racism is much less prevalent in the South than it is in the north. I've lived in both, and out west. It's one thing to talk about black people, it's another thing altogether to build your white societies in such a way as to eliminate the possibility of your daughter ever dating one.

Thank you. I've lived in the south all of my life, and I worked up north a lot during the 80's, and that was my observation. But, when anyone heard my southern accent, they immediatly assumed I wore a sheet and wiped my ass with corn cobbs.

Mr. Vagiclean

Nov 22nd, 2006, 01:52 PM

WTF deja vu

kahljorn

Nov 22nd, 2006, 02:47 PM

I've known so many racist black people in my life and it's perfectly okay for them to make fun of you being white but once you call them black (or make fun of their mothers for being "white") you've crossed a line and you better prepare for an asskicking because that's their important social heritage that they're still representing..

micheal richards seemed like he crossed a bit of a line though, I think if anybody got in front of an audience and started screaming obscenities at an audience (unjokingly) the audience would probably leave, regardless of if it's about black people.

Ninjavenom

Nov 22nd, 2006, 11:08 PM

I thought it was inappropriate because it was intended to be malicious, but apparently these guys were pestering him the night before, too. He could have been a lot more creative, but it's not like my image of him is shattered or anything. Why should i give a shit? For the curious, the board for this on the Suicide Girls site is pretty funny. Some people are all like "It's the most disgusting thing i've ever seen" and some are like "wtf it's not a big deal howcome they call him cracker and it's okay" and it's safe to say that every opinion on the subject is wrong except mine. He fucked up, but he shouldn't have to apologize if he doesn't want to. I bet you this is the end of his career, and it's because everyone is so fucking scared of racism in hollywood from all the jewish studios and clubs banning anyone who dares to cross the line of political correctness and be themselves.

Okay, I believe a white comedian could, theoretically, call someone disreputable person of African-American descent, whom I think is quite nice and get away with it IF, IF, IF he makes it funny, which is hard enough.

This would have been funny if he just went "NOW YOU LISTEN HERE ******!" and rolled right into his next joke.

GADZOOKS

Nov 23rd, 2006, 03:23 AM

Well you know what I got to say to that?

http://terrorizer.home.comcast.net/edgeinsig.jpg

MrAdventure

Nov 23rd, 2006, 09:25 AM

i am blindedly ecstatic due to this entire fiasco

Zebra 3

Nov 23rd, 2006, 04:07 PM

Seriously though, what do you all think of this situation? If you haven't seen his apology on Letterman, check it out here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dufHYw-W6j4
:( - The video has been removed...

lol i like in the video where you hear people laughing and jerry goes, "Stop laughing it's not funny". Mr. Serious !
:) - It was both cringeworthy and entertaining.

Command Prompt

Nov 26th, 2006, 06:20 PM

Being a big comic fan, I'd say he was trying to be edgy and it backfired on him. Thousands of comedians do edgy material, it just depends on the audience you are preforming for. As George Carlin taught us, comedy isn't based on content, its based on context. Seriously, the same week this happened, Borat is the best movie ever and the best jokes in the movie have jews laying eggs and changing into cockroaches. WTF? Context.

Fuck it, its ALL funny, or NONE of it is funny. Special treatment for no one.

Schimid

Nov 26th, 2006, 08:36 PM

you're an idiot.

Command Prompt

Nov 26th, 2006, 10:03 PM

.........

noob3

Nov 26th, 2006, 10:22 PM

I'm still waiting until he guest stars on Curb but I'm guessing this is never going to happen now eh?

Rabid Child

Dec 2nd, 2006, 10:31 PM

http://www.filecabi.net/video/kkkramer-rap.html

kahljorn

Dec 3rd, 2006, 02:05 AM

you know I heard that all of his "comedy routines" are just kind of rants rather than jokes so maybe he just let his ranting get out of hand and nobody got it. I think that might partly explain why he "obsessed" over it. I mean, making a ****** joke or two on stage will usually result in people laughing or ignoring the joke but like 40 of them becomes obnoxious, noticable and seems racist. :O