The death of the heterosexual man- replaced by pseudo-fags??

[South African Lion]

When did the real, actual, proper, heterosexual man die? Why has it become trendy and acceptable to embrace this gay-chic, where the lines between actual man and lisping queen have become hopelessly blurred? Why do so many women prefer 90 lb., pseudo-effeminate, testosterone-free feebs to actual men?

Feelings: Men are not 'in touch with their feelings'. Well, they're not supposed to be, anyway. I don't know when, or why, it became acceptable and even preferable that today's man gabs like a bloody bird. Men are NOT supposed to talk a lot; they are not hard wired to do so. They SHOULD NOT burden others with their problems and emotions, as women have so shamelessly done for aeons. Men today are confused- the liberal media, the left have jammed their limp-wristed agenda down the throats of seemingly everyone, and you fucks have bought the shit, for the most part! Men are SUPPOSED to be quiet, physically strong, and dominant.
Men and women are fundamentally, profoundly DIFFERENT. Fact. Accept it. Appreciate it, because that's the way it's SUPPOSED to be. Today's 'New, sensitive man', in touch with his feminine side, breathing estrogen out of his arse, should be fucking slaughtered. Soon.

Homosexuality: Is it wrong? Is it deviant? Well, I don't care if these people do what they please behind closed doors, but still, the practice does indeed go against nature. The anus is NOT an entrance! Doesn't the fact that shite comes out of it tell you something? EXIT only! The anatomy of men and women tell you that heterosexuality is preferable and in fact right. I mean, not that reproduction would tell you that, either... ahem. Above all, though, I am sick of your socialist, limp-wristed fucking agenda- do what you do behind closed doors- FINE. But keep it out of my fucking face, Anal Boy. You're lucky that we're allowing this leftist shite to go on. Don't anger us.

Facial hair: why have those of us who actually have sufficient testosterone to grow a full, heavy beard become reviled? Who the FUCK started the trend of gay facial hair- i.e. the soul patch, the barely-there goatee, etc? A full goatee, masculine side-burns, or a full beard are the only acceptable choices! Fuck off, those of you who can't decide what gender to 'be'!

Politics: I want these leftist limp-wristers to fuck off, PRONTO. You little non-men with your socialist (i.e. thieving) politics should get a job and pay your own bills. Once you're no longer supported by mommy and daddy,

Music: fuck this gay indie shite. Fuck alleged 'alternative' music. Fuck chart music. Fuck fake punk. Real, heterosexual men listen to death metal. But then, since you are a fucking limp-wristed brat led by the Media's hand, you wouldn't know about ANY music that isn't released on a major label and played to FUCKING DEATH on MTV. Fuck you.

There are those of us who are PROUD to be actual men. We have the power, because we are stronger than you. We have testosterone. We don't 'talk about our feelings' as though we were 13-year old girls. We like rugby, beer, Scotch, cigars, fighting, true metal music, and women who look and act like women. We don't wear baggy clothes, don't cut our hair into gay bobs, and don't have designer facial hair. We are fucking SICK of men who embrace this pseudo-gay chic. Fuck the fucking hell right off!

[Les Waste]

HOW ORIGINAL AND CREATIVE!!

YOUR VIEWS ON QUASI-HOMOSEXUALITY ARE RADICAL!

[South African Lion]

Who gives a fuck about originality and creativity? I'm solely concerned with the truth.
Poke fun at my lack of eloquence all you like-- the underlying argument is faultless, and that's all that matters.

[Ninjavenom]

blood, eggs, babies, and piss come out of vaginas. Does that, therefore, not make it an entrance?

[Jeanette X]

Are you joking or are you really this much of a bigot?

Yeah, we need more manly, brutal, heterosexual men like you. Why don't you take a good long look at the rape rates in your country (which are the highest in the world), and see how wonderful your attitude towards women and gays is. Fucking pig, I bet you would rape a woman if you thought you could get away with it, the way you talk. If you were really secure in your masculinity, this sort of thing wouldn't bother you one bit.

(btw, Ninjavenom, urine comes out the urethra, a small hole above the vaginal opening, not the out of the vaginal opening itself)

[jin]

You enjoy the act of growing pubic hairs out of your chin? You cant seem to form coherent sentences or have a proper conversation due to your own neanderthal-like mental development? You generalise and catergorise and then act out against your own stereotypes and those that your other uninformed, incestuous brethren have created?

Your argument - faultless?

I guess its childlike naiviety and clumsiness is quite charming and a little cute - baby wants to be a big boy now? a real man! coochie coo - sheep.

[Zebra 3]

:/ - Maybe its those man-eating sharks that you keep boasting about that ate most of these so-called real South African men.

[South African Lion]

I don't deign you worthy of individual replies, so a collective post will suffice. And we know how you black-rimmed glasses wearing, triple-mocha-frappachino-latte sipping, Marxist loving socialist gimps love 'collectives', so...

Jeanette X- roar, roar ever so loudly, you little tigress! Such bile, such angst... well, we know what you DON'T want in a man. What, then, DO you seek? A spineless, easily-trained bitch of a brat that you can order about and model your clothes on? You go, you "Gen X Hip Chick"! You'd better run- the latest Blink 182 video is on!
And hey, I'm sorry to deflate your image of me, but I'm not a rapist.
Sorry to disappoint.

Jin- take out a gym subscription. NOW. I know exactly how you look (aforesaid prissy/trendy glasses, non-physique, baggy attire) and sound (high-pitched, whiny, bitchy, voice with the cadence of a damned limp-wrister) already. Again, like Jeanette, you project your negative hopes and desires onto me-- the truth, though, is that I AM an actual MAN, and could fucking crush you. If it makes you feel better to believe that I'm a child, then by all means indulge in your feelings. After all, isn't that what you pseudo-homosexuals do?
And Jin, Jin, Jin--- maybe you harbor some resentment toward those of us who CAN grow facial hair, and so attempt to compensate for your physical inadequacy by condemning us? Are you one of those limp-wristers who shaves his chest as well? Do you HAVE any chest hair, or are men not supposed to have that, either?

Ninjavenom- the very fact that pregnancy occurs, and can occur only in one way, reveals the vagina's dual purpose. But you knew that. The very fact that all animals require male/female for procreation, and so perpetuation of their species, is all the evidence I need for my argument. It's true, homosexuality occurs in other species, just as in our own, but these weaklings are pushed out and killed. Odd, then, that in today's society 'our' gays are glorified!

[VinceZeb]

I like this guy. He makes me laugh!

[Jeanette X]

And we know how you black-rimmed glasses wearing, triple-mocha-frappachino-latte sipping, Marxist loving socialist gimps love 'collectives', so...
And we know how pricks like you love to sterotype people who are smarter than you.

Jeanette X- roar, roar ever so loudly, you little tigress! Such bile, such angst... well, we know what you DON'T want in a man. What, then, DO you seek? A spineless, easily-trained bitch of a brat that you can order about and model your clothes on? You go, you "Gen X Hip Chick"! You'd better run- the latest Blink 182 video is on!
And hey, I'm sorry to deflate your image of me, but I'm not a rapist.
Sorry to disappoint.

Ha! I have a very nice boyfriend, thank you, one who would run away screaming if I ever tried to make him wear my clothes, but who isn't afraid of women and shows it by being respectful of them.
Did you ever stop to think that the reason that there is so much rape in your culture is because of attitudes like yours? Attitudes that men should dominate women?

No S.A. Lion, you may be strong physically, but inside, you are just a scared little boy in a mans body.

And Jin, Jin, Jin--- maybe you harbor some resentment toward those of us who CAN grow facial hair, and so attempt to compensate for your physical inadequacy by condemning us? Are you one of those limp-wristers who shaves his chest as well? Do you HAVE any chest hair, or are men not supposed to have that, either?

Ninjavenom- the very fact that pregnancy occurs, and can occur only in one way, reveals the vagina's dual purpose. But you knew that. The very fact that all animals require male/female for procreation, and so perpetuation of their species, is all the evidence I need for my argument. It's true, homosexuality occurs in other species, just as in our own, but these weaklings are pushed out and killed. Odd, then, that in today's society 'our' gays are glorified!

How odd that Alexander the Great was a homosexual then. Do you really mean to tell me that you never have sex soley for the purpose of pleasure? That you only copulate to produce children? Yeah right.
And no, dipshit, homosexuals are not pushed out and killed in other species, as much as you would like that to be true.

And by the way, not all homosexuals are neccessarily effeminate. Gyms are often gay hangouts and many gay men are weightlifters. But of course, you wouldn't know that, seeing as you've probably none or very few gay men.

[!!!!]

Men and women are fundamentally, profoundly DIFFERENT.

Then I guess they shouldn't be fucking each other.

[mburbank]

"I don't deign you worthy of individual replies, so a collective post will suffice."

I don't know, man. That sounded pretty gay to me right there. I mean, 'deign'? That's kind of the verbal equivalent of taking it up the ass, isn't it, you nancy ass queerbait? What kind of fucking bum rutsler says 'deign'.

"Jeanette X- roar, roar ever so loudly, you little tigress! Such bile, such angst..."
So, were you dresed as Madona or Barbara Striesand when you sad that, fag-boy? What the fuck, you can't write like a man and use some man words you cock smoker? Come on, chick-a chick-a chik-a queen queen, only a closet case says 'roar ever so loudly'. You want it up the ass, fagmaster!

You little bitch boy, you're just begging for some ex-conrough trade leather boy to slap his calloused paw over your mouth and make you take it so you can cry to your support group about how it wasn't your fault. Pussy ass fags like you make me want to fucking puke. How about you 'deign' to write like a man if you can get your hands off latino boy cock for five seconds, Maria.

[Protoclown]

I think Les Waste hit the nail on the head with his reply. There's no way this guy can be taken seriously, and there's no way he's dumb enough to believe any of that bullshit.

[Brandon]

<---The late, great Paul Lynde.

Truly a paragon of traditional masculinity.

[Skulhedface]

THIS ONE DESERVES TO GO INTO VISIONARY DARKNESS!!!!!11

Did you ever think that perhaps his stance against "FAGS!" is perhaps because not only is rape prevalent in South Africa, but so is AIDS? And what's a good way to catch teh AIDS? GAY HOMO BUTT SEX, THAT'S HOW!

Hey, George of the Jungle, go beat your chest someplace else, hmm? False machismo on a message board doesn't read too well.

[The_Rorschach]

What's false about it?

I suppose androgeny is good for some people, but not everyone approves. I went out to the IMAX showing of Ghost of the Abyss today, and I actually left feeling pretty shitty about myself and my generation. That's going to colour this post somewhat.

Sure, Lion Guy is primarily citing superficialities, manners of dress and demeanour, but if his thinking goes any deeper then I would have to agree with him. Men were once expected to be stoic, uncompromising and reliable. Men today largely act like bitches.

Seeing the dignity with which men like Murdock, Bride and Phillips died perfoming their duties I couldn't help but remark to myself that they were men. They were civilians, their occupations were not supposed to involve the risks they faced and embraced. Scores of others below decks continued shovelling coal into the four story engines to keep electricity running to the telelgraph that those on the lifeboats might be saved knowing their own lives would be forfeit for doing so.

I could care less how someone dresses, but there has been a shift and the men today are made of weaker stuff than those who came before them.

[ziggytrix]

Eastern wisdom has long taught that strength of body affects stregth of spirit, but this does not just apply to men.

[The_Rorschach]

Thanks Ziggy, I am now officially depressed.

I need a drink.

[FS]

South African Lion makes me want to be a REAL MAN again.

ROAR.

roar, even.

exit, stage right.

[Protoclown]

Ror, you're joking, right?

See, personally? I think a man who isn't afraid of his emotions and the idea of showing them to the world is FAR stronger and braver than one of those "stoic" men of the past.

I agree with Jeanette, that the type of "man" described by this flaming idiot is actually nothing more than a scared little boy in a man's body, hiding under a wall of false bravado.

Gender roles don't matter for SHIT in this day and age. Or they shouldn't. I'd like to think we're evolving past that sort of silly outdated idea.

I don't know why everybody's getting so worked up though. This guy has to be a fake. Everybody knows they don't even have electricity in South Africa, let alone computers. :rolleyes

[Brandon]

South African Lion has inspired me to do great acts of manliness.

I'm going to go smash a beer can on my face to prove how superior I am to all the nancy boys. :rock

[mburbank]

I'm telling you, South African Lion is BEGGING for it. Read between the lines and you see a guy who wants nothing more than to be shoved against a wall and taken by a Longshoreman.

[ItalianStereotype]

ROAR.

roar, even.

exit, stage right.

:lol since i'm watching cartoon network right now this made me almost fall out of my chair.

[VinceZeb]

Uhhhh... Proto, gender rolls exists because there are certain acts that are more suited to men or women. It isn't a "silly notion", it's defined by nature.

[AChimp]

Name some, aside from mother/father, priest and nun.

[mburbank]

Can I get a lean Pastrami on a gender roll to go?

[kellychaos]

Eastern wisdom has long taught that strength of body affects stregth of spirit, but this does not just apply to men.

If one already has strength of spirit, is this spirit diminished by NOT having strength of body? I work in a "blue collar" job and I'll take intelligence, integrity, and hard work as far as who I choose to be my co-worker over Mr. Muscles. I mean, in truth, being physically stronger is an enhancement but not a necessity. Being strong and dumb can get me killed. True dat! :/

P.S. Not to mention the fact that I have had my ass verily kicked in billiards by some women ... and I win a lot more than I lose. :)

[Protoclown]

Uhhhh... Proto, gender rolls exists because there are certain acts that are more suited to men or women. It isn't a "silly notion", it's defined by nature.

Like the Chimp already said, name some. Please Vince, show us all just how far the extent of your sexism goes. Tell us that men should be soldiers and women should be nurses or stay at home wives. I dare you, you fat fucking fake-tit grabbing pussy.

There is nothing I can do that any woman can't, except for make someone pregnant.

As we evolve as a species, these "gender rolls" (leave it to you of all people to misspell it so it refers to food) you're so fond of are becoming needless. As far as these roles go, we're progressing towards androgyny.

Tell me, Vince...what is wrong with a world where I as a man can freely talk about my feelings and a woman can be tough enough to kick my (or your) ass?

[VinceZeb]

Uhhhh... Proto, gender rolls exists because there are certain acts that are more suited to men or women. It isn't a "silly notion", it's defined by nature.

Like the Chimp already said, name some. Please Vince, show us all just how far the extent of your sexism goes. Tell us that men should be soldiers and women should be nurses or stay at home wives. I dare you, you fat fucking fake-tit grabbing pussy.

There is nothing I can do that any woman can't, except for make someone pregnant.

As we evolve as a species, these "gender rolls" (leave it to you of all people to misspell it so it refers to food) you're so fond of are becoming needless. As far as these roles go, we're progressing towards androgyny.

Tell me, Vince...what is wrong with a world where I as a man can freely talk about my feelings and a woman can be tough enough to kick my (or your) ass?

There ARE things that males and females can do that are better than one another. Nature has set certain tasks thare are better suited for males and females.

Take child-rearing for instance. Women are better at it than a man could ever be. Women draw more on their emotions, so they are a lot more equipped to take care of and nuture a child when it comes to it's emotional needs. A guy, through the beginning of time, has always been the person who goes out, gets the food, brings it home, and feeds and clothes his family. That is how the male has always contributed to his family. Now, can males show emotion? Yes, they do when apporipate. A guy who sits around and acts all emotional all the time is seen as being weird and it goes against the natural order. If a woman wants to be a fighter, let her, and if she can kick my ass, so be it. But put up the average women fighter against the average man and the woman will leave on a stretcher.

Why do you think that men are better suited for jobs such as being a firefighter? They LOWER the standards of a firefighter so women can be included. In your worldview, this is the "evolvement of our species" and it's all nice and fuzzy and its a nice big piece of goodness and we can all become the same and be a bunch of fun-happy people that see no one as being different, because that isn't evolved or enlightened.

Bullshit. If my ass is trapped in a burning building, I don't want the woman that could not meet the regular standards so they lowered them to rescue me. I want the most Paul Bunyan-like mother fucker that can lift cars with his pinky to pick my ass up and deliver me to safety. If a woman could do that, then she should be on the force. But lets get facts straight: It doesnt take a front-page cover article from TIME magazine to tell us that men and women are and will always be different.

[Bennett]

Are you excited about the new horseless carriage, Vince?

[mburbank]

Vince is going to need some mail order bride catalogs if he ever wants to get married.

[Protoclown]

So much stupidity...where to even begin?

I guess I must be against the "natural order" then Vince, because I've always been pretty expressive about my feelings, nor have I felt any shame at all for the mere sake of having them. I consider having feelings a simple part of being human, not an aspect of what you would no doubt call my "pussyfication". I am not a robot, Vince. Nor are most people, last time I checked.

Now is the fact that women are better at child-rearing because of "nature's plan", or does it have to do with centuries in ingrained societal bullshit involving gender roles? Perhaps a little of both.

I'll grant you that women DO seem to be better at rearing children on the whole, but I don't think that a randomly selected woman is going to inherently be any better than a randomly selected man. It depends ENTIRELY on the person. You see Vince, in REALITY, people often transcend your limited shallow stereotypes and don't always fit into the tiny little boxes you try to squeeze them into.

Personally, I don't find it unsettling when a man breaks down and cries. In fact, in most cases when a man isn't so cowardly that he feels he needs to hide away his emotions, I find it refreshingly brave and honest.

It doesn't surprise me Vince that given the choice, you'd rather have a burly lumberjack type come into a burning building and whisk you away in his big warm furry arms than suffer through any other available options, like oh, say a WOMAN! Although maybe you could grope her fake-tits as your bikini-clad firefighter babe (which is the only kind you'd accept, I'll wager) swoops in to save the day.

While it's true that men tend to be stronger, there are PLENTY of strong women out there, and a good lot of them are significantly stronger than you or me. I'm not saying the standards should be lowered to accomodate anyone (if they truly have), but if they CAN do the job, why should they be stopped? Where's the problem? Would you be ashamed to be saved by a strong female firefighter?

[The_Rorschach]

"Being strong and dumb can get me killed"

And yet you're the typist behind the feelevil character?

Everyone has emotions Proto, men are in touch with them as much as women are, but in past men refused to let them rule their lives. Thats the difference. If you had a disease which rendered your legs worthless, and painful to use, would you hide your discomfort in order to appear unbroken -to put forth a face of strength that others could place faith in, rather than cater to your weakness? Thats the choice Roosevelt had, and he made the only acceptable choice there was. A broken man could not lead a broken country and have the esteem of her citizens.

We lost three thousand people in the September Eleven strike. They were climbing over ome another in stairwells to save their own lives. No order, only chaos. On the Titanic, fifteen hundred were lost, and while hundred might have fallen over the bow railing, just as many returned to their rooms or the dancehall and waited for death with equanimty (I hope I'm spelling that right, I hate posting first thing when I wake up).

There is something noble about that Proto, and I wish it were existant today.

[Vibecrewangel]

A couple of things to think about....

In nature, in many species, the males are the pretty shiny ones. Often smaller than the females.
In many species the females do the hunting and the child rearing.

Make-up was originally worn by men. So were big poofy wigs. Men were the first to wear shoes with heels.

The shape of the female body has changed quite a bit over the last few "years".
Women used to be either husky or thin based on environment and social standing.
Women began to wear corsets to give them deeper curves.
Flash forward quite bit and you have bodies like Betty Paige, Garbo, Monroe. Curvy as hell. That was the body of the time.
Since then women have become less curvy, more androgenous (sp?) in their own right. Even on thin women waists are larger and hips are smaller than they were just a few decades ago.
There is a theory that the types of body alterations that become popular do effect the following generations. Sort of Darwinish. The more desireable the more likely to breed.....you get the point.
Think about all the boob jobs from the 70's and 80's. Now, look at the teenagers today. Far more busty than even my generation was. Yes I know there are other factors such as horomones in the food, however the same theory states that this particular evolution was simply sped up.

Men have become smaller for a variety of factors. One of the largest being that much of thev hard heavy labor men used to do is done by machines. Instead of hefting buckets of brick up a construction site they are lifted by equipment. Instead of digging trenches by hand there are machines to do it now. Since size and strength is no longer needed the genetics have altered to adapt.

Men have become less masculine and women have become less feminine. Just a sign of the times I guess.

[Vibecrewangel]

Edit - Wow my first double post....

[Jeanette X]

What's false about it?

C'mon Ror, his homophobia, his labeling of men who do not fit his narrow definition of masculinity as "pseudo-fags"...He is so transparently insecure that it is laughable.

Scores of others below decks continued shovelling coal into the four story engines to keep electricity running to the telelgraph that those on the lifeboats might be saved knowing their own lives would be forfeit for doing so.

I could care less how someone dresses, but there has been a shift and the men today are made of weaker stuff than those who came before them.

I understand your point Ror. Yes, men are less stoic and reliable than those who came before them. But so are women.
My great-great grandmother supported her children and her alchoholic husband by working her hands to the bone as a laundress.
My grandmother lived through the Great Depression, WWII, worked her way through college, raised a brood of eight children without modern conviences. My mother was the second eldest and took care of her younger siblings. The fact that every generation is less strong than the one which came before isn't a gender issue, its a wider social issue that affects both men and women.

Uhhhh... Proto, gender rolls exists because there are certain acts that are more suited to men or women. It isn't a "silly notion", it's defined by nature.

It is true that men generally are more suited for physically demanding occupations such as a firefighting. However, as we become more and more technlogically advanced, we have less and less need for physical jobs (which are more often done by machines) and more need for jobs requiring mental skill, something in which men and women are equal. One hardly needs the muscles of a prizefighter to work a computer.


Everyone has emotions Proto, men are in touch with them as much as women are, but in past men refused to let them rule their lives. Thats the difference. If you had a disease which rendered your legs worthless, and painful to use, would you hide your discomfort in order to appear unbroken -to put forth a face of strength that others could place faith in, rather than cater to your weakness? Thats the choice Roosevelt had, and he made the only acceptable choice there was. A broken man could not lead a broken country and have the esteem of her citizens.

There is something noble about that Proto, and I wish it were existant today.

Roosevelt hid his disablity because of the perceptions about handicapped people during his time. He hid it not because he was ashamed of it, but because he knew that people would not believe in him if they saw it. Revealing that one has a disability does not amount to catering to it.

[The_Rorschach]

:love

First Glowbelly and now you. If I were slightly more paranoid, I would suspect something is up with the sudden niceties. My response wasn't just in regards to Men, its a commentary on our total generation as well as the two prior, but Men were the topic of the post so I limited my scope a bit.

"He hid it not because he was ashamed of it, but because he knew that people would not believe in him if they saw it. "

There was nothing to be ashamed of. But his attitude is vastly different from those whom fake injuries and make suicide attempts for attention and pity.

[CaptainBubba]

I'm just mad because I'm afraid that I'll be coming on to a girl and she'll kind of subtley reject me with body language and because society tells me this actually means yes I'll continue, even though NEW society tells me it means to stop.

And the stereotypes have gotten kind of strange now too. I lift weights alot and my firends used to tease the crap out of me for it because of the correlation between guys who work out and da' gays. I kind of understand the concept to. It does seem slightly affeminate to me how much I care about my body image, but fuck. I wanna look good naked. Manly strength, at least for me, isn't really the goal.

Also I feel like I have to hide or play down my deep DEEP affection for cooking pastries. :(

[VinceZeb]

So much stupidity...where to even begin?

I guess I must be against the "natural order" then Vince, because I've always been pretty expressive about my feelings, nor have I felt any shame at all for the mere sake of having them. I consider having feelings a simple part of being human, not an aspect of what you would no doubt call my "pussyfication". I am not a robot, Vince. Nor are most people, last time I checked.

Now is the fact that women are better at child-rearing because of "nature's plan", or does it have to do with centuries in ingrained societal bullshit involving gender roles? Perhaps a little of both.

I'll grant you that women DO seem to be better at rearing children on the whole, but I don't think that a randomly selected woman is going to inherently be any better than a randomly selected man. It depends ENTIRELY on the person. You see Vince, in REALITY, people often transcend your limited shallow stereotypes and don't always fit into the tiny little boxes you try to squeeze them into.

Personally, I don't find it unsettling when a man breaks down and cries. In fact, in most cases when a man isn't so cowardly that he feels he needs to hide away his emotions, I find it refreshingly brave and honest.

It doesn't surprise me Vince that given the choice, you'd rather have a burly lumberjack type come into a burning building and whisk you away in his big warm furry arms than suffer through any other available options, like oh, say a WOMAN! Although maybe you could grope her fake-tits as your bikini-clad firefighter babe (which is the only kind you'd accept, I'll wager) swoops in to save the day.

While it's true that men tend to be stronger, there are PLENTY of strong women out there, and a good lot of them are significantly stronger than you or me. I'm not saying the standards should be lowered to accomodate anyone (if they truly have), but if they CAN do the job, why should they be stopped? Where's the problem? Would you be ashamed to be saved by a strong female firefighter?


I am an emotional person, Proto. I feed of emotions. But the way you talk I can see you walking around with your emo glasses and your diary writing down abou thow much "pain" and "sorrow" you feel everyday.

And yes, it is because of gender roles that women are better to raise children. Years upon years of nature and social structure hasn't proven that at all :rolleyes

Most people do fit in my boxes. Now, they may jut out a bit, but most people are sterotypical. Which is not a bad thing, btw. It just is.

I could care less who saves me, Proto. As long as someone was able to fulfill the requirements. And yes, proto, the requirements HAVE BEEN LOWERED. If they do not fulfill the requirements, then they shouldn't be allowed. But if they do, then by all means they should be a part of the group.

[mburbank]

You still don't know how to use the word 'allowed' in a sentence.
This was a new way to use it incorrectly though.

[VinceZeb]

Should I point out some of your grammatical and spelling errors, Schwartz, or should you try to post a half-ass response to my post?

[mburbank]

You can point out my spelling errors all you like. I am VERY bad at spelling.

If you can find my gramatical errors, please feel free to post and describe them. I don't think you can do either. The Schwartz thing was funny, becuase it's a Jewish name and I'm Jewish.

I've already responded to the 'meat' of this thread by suggesting you'll need mail order bride servie if you wnt to get married. That sums up everything I want to say about your posts on this topic.

[kellychaos]

I, for one, am glad to see the Cro-magnon side of the topic being argued so eloquently by our submarine commander. If you can't trust the words of a powerful military leader, what other faith is there to cling to in life. :)

[VinceZeb]

Man, you just made me a bitch, didn't ya kelly?

Fucking idiot.

[Protoclown]

I am an emotional person, Proto. I feed of emotions. But the way you talk I can see you walking around with your emo glasses and your diary writing down abou thow much "pain" and "sorrow" you feel everyday.

Sorry to disappoint Vince, but I'm far too busy grabbing fake tits and going out with girls of varied ethnic backgrounds (that I will describe to you in great detail in derogatory terms in the near future) to be writing anything down in some gay diary. :rolleyes

[VinceZeb]

Good for you, Proto!

[kellychaos]

Man, you just made me a bitch, didn't ya kelly?

Fucking idiot.

Pretty much. Call for a vote. Can I see a show of hands? :)

[FS]

HEY MBURBANK, I BET YOUR NAME IS FYVUSH COHEN :lol

[mburbank]

I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU, FS! FUCK YOU MAN! FUCK YOU!!!!



Vincey, I'm dying for you to make an archive of my badly written sentences. C'mon chicken. I'll let you off the hook for bluffing about having a sub letter if you just back up this one threat. C'mon, chicky baby! Byuk-byuk-byuk, chica-chica chicky!

[Zebra 3]

Why do you think that men are better suited for jobs such as being a firefighter? They LOWER the standards of a firefighter so women can be included.
:/ - He's right, the only way for a woman to pass the tough physical firefighter test is to lower the standards. It was once proposed in my city to do such a thing, but after the fire chief spoke against it the idea it was quickly dropped.

[Vibecrewangel]

I think lowering the standards is wrong. However, I know a couple of women who could pass with the higher standards. And should they chose to take the test, they should be given the same chance as the men.

[Zosimus]

"When did the real, actual, proper, heterosexual man die?"

He never died. He just decided that the world changed and so must he..just as the hetrosexual woman also had to change.

What is your fucking problem asshole? Did daddy and moomy leave you watching tv on your own too long again? What did you watch? Probably "the man show", the ultimate knowledge-bank for every teenage manboy, or maybe you were busy reading the history books on (the romantic days of the) CAVEMEN?!

How old are you retard, 12?

Jeannette X is completely right, you are a little boy on the inside, except that I won't be as nice as her; I have to take it one step farther, you are one stone-aged ignoramous fuck-head of extreme proportion!

I think its about high time you get your fat head out your ass and take a good long look outside MORON! Despite the bullshits of a medievel political administration, I can GARANTEE you that this is a whole new millenium!..Anno 2003 asshole! Men are as manly as they need to be, and women as much as they need be, and you know what? With just a DROP a little humanity, we could all share the same planet in peaceful co-exsistance with each other!
You? Unfortunately, you are suffering huge complexes, perhaps getting an extension for your dick will make you shut the fuck up already!

[The_Rorschach]

Hey Zos, have you met Ranxer? He's going to be assuming your responsibilities on this board, because well. . .How can I put this nicely? You're uneducated, uncritical and rather bland -which wouldn't be so bad but most of your posts sound like an echo of what has already been said, and more eloquently.

We've been happy to have you with us for this long, but I'm afraid your knee-jerk responces are just no longer required in this forum. We appreciate your enthusiasm and will keep your resume on file in case another position opens up, but you should probably just move on. With your expertise, you would certainly be an invaluable asset to alot of other boards, and we don't want to hold you back from reaching your full potential.

Don't call us, we'll call you.

[!!!!]

I dare you, you fat fucking fake-tit grabbing pussy.

I consider having feelings a simple part of being human, not an aspect of what you would no doubt call my "pussyfication".

:picklehat

[Zosimus]

Hey Zos, have you met Ranxer?

No I haven't quite had the pleasure of meeting the chap yet......

"You're uneducated, uncritical and rather bland -which wouldn't be so bad but most of your posts sound like an echo of what has already been said, and more eloquently. "

oh dear, how you break my heart Ror, with your blunt insults and obvious ignorance of my person.

We appreciate your enthusiasm and will keep your resume on file in case another position opens up, but you should probably just move on.

It so cool to be appreciated! Thank You! And you know what? Its amazing to see that "you" are "we" still after all this time....

I think I like you...or maybe just your name!

no. no Rorschach I insist! Don't call me, cause I will call you buddy! :love

[punkgrrrlie10]

Well....um...okay nevermind.

Let's hope Darwin was right.

[ziggytrix]

Darwin was a backsliding asshole. >:

[Protoclown]

:picklehat

:domo

[Zebra 3]

I think lowering the standards is wrong. However, I know a couple of women who could pass with the higher standards. And should they chose to take the test, they should be given the same chance as the men.
In my city anyways they are allowed to try the test, its just that the test is really tough as it should be, and as I mention before, none have pass the test so far. I'm speculating that these women that are interested in front line emergency services are either going into the police dept. or ambulance services.

[The_Rorschach]

It's good to see you're taking things so well! You'll be back on your feet in no time.

Have your desk cleaned out by Monday, mmkay?

[theapportioner]

I suppose it's ironic that, in a pride, it's the lioness that does the hunting. The male lion is generally lazy and helpless.

np - LoFi Allstars

[theapportioner]

Had to wade through a bunch of sites using the lion metaphor in human homosexuality to find this one:

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Source: http://www.teri.res.in/teriin/terragreen/issue3/feature.htm


Lion, Without Lioness
By Suvira Srivastav

In the dry scrub of Gir National Park in Gujarat, B P Pati, Deputy Conservator of Forests, has found what he believes is evidence for homosexual behaviour among Asiatic lions (Panthera leo persica) in the absence of females. Pati, along with a team of dedicated wildlifers, studied a young pair of lions, around six to seven years of age, and they showed tendencies of homosexuality.

Back in 1982, Sanat Chauhan, now Principal Chief Conservator of Forests in Gujarat, had made similar observations on a pair of lionesses in the world famous home of the Asiatic lion. Meanwhile, experts working on African lions have never come across similar behaviour.

Aberrations are far from unusual among animals. Studying the behaviour of animals such as the lion is a painstakingly slow process that can take years of observation and a meticulous understanding of the circumstances that lead to a particular pattern, a choice of action, and a course of life among animals. In other words, cases such as Pati’s observations are best treated as individual cases without making generalizations for the entire species in general.

This is perhaps why one of the world’s best known big cats experts, Peter Jackson, Ex-chair of the IUCN Cat Specialist Group and Advisor and Editor of Cat News, has expressed a note of caution. He says that close friendships develop between individuals of the same sex in many, if not all, species, including humans. But they are not necessarily sexual and it is essential to find out that mating took place. Pati has given photographic evidence of the finding in Gir, with detailed explanations, but as the pair was observed only for one season, it may be premature to draw inferences on whether it is an acquired habit or mere adaptation to circumstances.

The lions of Gir are famous for their companionship, and it is well known that except during mating, they prefer to associate with members of their own sex. Scientists have observed how two male lions feed simultaneously with their heads touching. Females rubbing their heads together, a gesture normally seen in courting lions, and sharing a carcass are other such observations.

Under normal circumstances, Asiatic lions live and hunt in a group, or the pride. Like human families, a pride is a stable and permanent social group of related adult females and males (whoever is in possession of the group at that time) and their cubs. This family occupies a particular ‘home range’ or ‘territory’. The lions’ territory is the place of maximum action where hunting, resting, feeding and the rearing of cubs take place. Normally a lioness with cubs prefers to confine herself to a smaller area with protection and food for the cubs. The males occupy a larger area of control, which may overlap with that of more than one female. This provides them an opportunity to mate with as many females of the group as possible.

In normal course, a mating pair stays close together for days, hunting as a pair for a long span before actual mating occurs. This stems from the lioness allowing only one male to form such an association at one time. This prolonged association reassures the female that the preferred male is the right occupant of the territory and not an intruder. On the other hand, males are quite fussy during courting and do not tolerate the presence of alien lions and any intrusion leads to serious fights.

Incidentally, the lions studied by Pati and his team are normal healthy males that prefer each other’s company but have also sired cubs. Together, they control a 70-square-kilometre territory that has four females. Pati says: ‘The period of study happened to coincide with the prime season of mating, and all the four lionesses of the pride were involved in rearing cubs.’ He believes this circumstance to be central to the two male lions choosing to remain together.

According to Dr Craig Packer, professor at the Department of Ecology, Evolution and Behaviour in the University of Minnesota who has been working on the lions of Serengeti, he has never come across any prolonged homosexual behaviour in the wild. However, he does mention ‘a couple of cases of genetic mutant males that behaved exactly like males’. Packer says that this condition occasionally occurs in dogs too and is due to a defect in the male hormone receptors. Homosexuality in African lions has been observed only in captive lions and has been attributed to that unusual circumstance. However, what triggered this behaviour in the Asiatic lion is difficult to ascertain. The best choice for Pati and his team would be to extend the study and watch out for larger trends. Meanwhile, it’s a jury that is still out.

[El Blanco]

A great man once said:

Well she's all you'd ever want,

She's the kind they'd like to flaunt and take to dinner.

Well she always knows her place.

She's got style, she's got grace, She's a winner.

She's a Lady. Whoa whoa whoa, She's a Lady.

Talkin' about that little lady, and the lady is mine.

Well she's never in the way

Something always nice to say, Oh what a blessing.

I can leave her on her own

Knowing she's okay alone, and there's no messing.

She's a lady. Whoa, whoa, whoa. She's a lady.

Talkin' about that little lady, and the lady is mine.

Well she never asks for very much and I don't refuse her.

Always treat her with respect, I never would abuse her.

What she's got is hard to find, and I don't want to lose her

Help me build a mansion from my little pile of clay. Hey, hey, hey.

Well she knows what I'm about,

She can take what I dish out, and that's not easy,

Well she knows me through and through,

She knows just what to do, and how to please me.

She's a lady. Whoa, whoa, whoa. She's a lady.

Talkin' about that little lady and the lady is mine.

Yeah yeah yeah She's a Lady

Listen to me baby, She's a Lady

Whoa whoa whoa, She's a Lady

And the Lady is mine

Yeah yeah yeah She's a Lady

Talkin about this little lady

Whoa whoa whoa whoa

Whoa and the lady is mine

Yeah yeah She's a Lady

And the Lady is mine.

[punkgrrrlie10]

so, what you're saying is....she's a lady?