VINCE PROVED BONEHEAD ON OWN SITE!

[mburbank]

The following quote is from an Article Vince wrote on Senator Santorums remarks casting Homosexuals in the same light as practitioners of Incest.

Vince's basic point is that while what Santorum said is bad, he's only being attacked for it because he's a Rebuplican;

"Remember Rep. James Moran, D-VA, and his sweet little comment about Israel? Rep. Moran stated, "If it were not for the strong support of the Jewish community for this war with Iraq we would not be doing this." Now, where was the major uproar at besides from the evil talk show hosts that thump their Bibles in a rhythm that sends secret messages into the air that can only be decoded by the rings given out by the Elders of Zion? I will wait while you look.

Well, couldn’t find it, huh? That’s because Sen. Santorum did not have a D by his name. That D stands for Defense. Defense from any comment you can make that would be perceived as being racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted, etc."
-Vince

I already knew Vince was way off base, but wanted to see how difficult it was to find this out. I entered the Moran quote Vince provided and immediately came up with:



Moran steps down from leadership post
Lawmaker under fire for saying Jews push war with Iraq


RELATED
o Six Dems: Moran shouldn't run
o Moran under fire for remarks

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Harshly criticized for saying pressure from the Jewish community was driving the push toward a possible war against Iraq, Rep. James Moran stepped down Friday as a House Democratic regional whip.

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi of California issued a statement indicating she left Moran, D-Virginia, with little choice but to give up his leadership post.

"I have taken this action because Congressman Moran's irresponsible remarks were a serious mistake," Pelosi said in a statement. "As I said earlier this week, his comments were not only inappropriate, they were offensive and have no place in the Democratic Party."

Moran has been under fire since March 3, when he said at an antiwar forum that Jewish leaders were pushing a war with Iraq.



It took all of two seconds to find that Moran had been widely criticozed within his own party and had been and stepped down as democratic whip. So far Santorum has not been criticized by Republican leadership and has not stepped down from anything.

Vince, did you even try to look this up?

[AChimp]

Of course he didn't. He heard it from a friend and that's a source. :rolleyes

[mburbank]

My God, he's just so dumb it's astounding! He's a glittering gem of dumbness! He's a national treasure of self parody.

[VinceZeb]

No, idiot, compared to Trent Lott, Moran didn't have shit done to him about what he said. Lott's name was ruined pretty much for good by everyone far and wide by what he said. Does anyone in the mainstream even REMEMBER or KNOW what Moran said? I rest my case.

[Protoclown]

I'll bet whatever Moran said it didn't have anything to do with DEM DAMN ******S :(

[kellychaos]

The house of lards is falling under his own breath. :rolleyes

[VinceZeb]

Proto: What the hell are you talking about?
Kelly: Are you going to show where I was wrong, or be a good little idiot liberal and talk shit yet not backing up anything?

[Protoclown]

I was trying to make a point about racism. I failed.

[mburbank]

Proto, no you didn't, Vince is just dumb.

Vince, first of all, concidering the level of their power, their censure was exactly the same. They stepped down from their leadership position.

Second, your point, (and anyone who wants can visit your site, I've posted more than enough to show what you meant) was that Moran had not been criticized at all. Your forgetting his immidiatte censure and remembering Lotts only shows you pay some attention when an "R" gets hoisted on his own petard.

Is Santoro being censured by his peers? No. Is he retracting his statement? No. Is he stepping down from his leadership position? Not so far. It must be that "R" after his nme protecting him.

Can't you be half a man and admit you went on your own recollection or some half assed thing your heard on talk radio and were so sure you were right you didn't even use a search engine for a few seconds?

Your a dumb guy, you write badly and your tottaly in love with yourself. Is that so hard to admit?

[VinceZeb]

Max, you are so full of shit I'm suprised you dont cover the floor in corn kernals when you spout off. I said that you didn't hear MAJOR critizims of Moran, which you didn't. Did you see Moran plastered all over ALL the major news channels time and time again. Did you hear NPR and all the other talk news outlets screaming about Moran 24/7? Did you see Moran on any kind of Israeli/Jewish supported TV shows talking about his view?

Well, ya know, I saw Lott being dragged through the mud on something he said that was ASSUMED to mean something elsE! I didn't see Moran lay in the iron maiden for something he directly said!

"Remember Rep. James Moran, D-VA, and his sweet little comment about Israel? Rep. Moran stated, "If it were not for the strong support of the Jewish community for this war with Iraq we would not be doing this." Now, where was the major uproar at besides from the evil talk show hosts that thump their Bibles in a rhythm that sends secret messages into the air that can only be decoded by the rings given out by the Elders of Zion? I will wait while you look."

That was what I said. MAJOR uproar. Perhaps I didn't throughly explain the fact that fox news and the talk radio gang gave him shit, but it was far and few between when other people did. Did you see Israeli/Jewish groups on tv 24-7 bashing Moran? I don't think you did.


And no, I wasn't wrong. You are just an idiot for not seeing that I am right. I have been told my writing is great and I do have an high opinion of myself. My dick is also longer and thicker than yours is.

[mburbank]

Jewish Groups Blast Moran for Comments


Jewish organizations condemned Rep. James P. Moran Jr. (D-Va.) today for delivering what they said were anti-Semitic remarks at an anti-war forum in Reston, in which he suggested that American Jews are responsible for pushing the country to war with Iraq and that Jewish leaders could prevent war if they wanted.

Ronald Halber, executive director of the Jewish Community Council of Washington, which represents 210 organizations, called Moran's statement "reprehensible and anti-Semitic," while David Bernstein, spokesman for the American Jewish Committee said his statement was "anti-Semitic in effect if not in intent."

Rabbi Jack Moline, head of the conservative Agudas Achim Congregation of Alexandria, said Moran's remarks echoed a history of "the most scandalous rhetoric of the last century" singling out Jewish influence and blaming it for foreign policy.

"We believe that such remarks about any minority group in America, whether African-Americans, Hispanics, Muslims or others, are beyond inappropriate in the rhetoric of a member of Congress," Moline wrote with the rabbis of five other congregations in demanding Moran's immediate resignation.

"A world-class congressional district calls for a world-class congressman. When we have to be constantly embarrassed in the way we are ... it's time to think about a change," Moline, one of Moran's earliest and staunchest defenders in the local Jewish community, said in an interview.

Sophie R. Hoffman, president of the Jewish council, said Moran's apology was inadequate, and added that polls show that the opinion of American Jews about the war are not far out of line from attitudes by the rest of the public, and that some strong anti-war voices are Jewish.

"In a recognizable pattern, when Moran realized just how outrageous his remarks were, he attempted to back pedal, saying he didn't mean what he clearly said," Hoffman said. "This time it just won't work."



State Sen. Janet D. Howell (D-Fairfax), an 11-year incumbent from Reston, said Moran's remarks were "inexcusable and intolerable."

"For the congressman to scapegoat and blame the Jewish community for the impending war is intolerable. Whether we suport or oppose the war, we must respect all religious communities," Howell said. "There is no question that responsible Democratic leaders should distance themselves from him."



Jewish leaders tell Moran to quit
By Mary Shaffrey
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Jewish leaders in Northern Virginia are calling on U.S. Rep. James P. Moran to resign as a result of comments he made last week questioning the influence of the Jewish community in American politics.




Jewish Guilt
Proponents of appeasing dictators also scapegoat Jews; so what else is new?
(from the national Review on line)

By Clifford D. May

What do Sen. Carl Levin, author Michael Lerner, activist Phyllis Bennis, opinion journalist Bruce Shapiro, and civil-rights advocate Michael Ratner have in common? All are among the veritable phalanx of liberal Jews who are at the forefront of the movement to stop President Bush from using military force to topple dictator Saddam Hussein.


So how is it that Rep. James Moran (D., Va.) can think, much less say: "If it were not for the strong support of the Jewish community for this war with Iraq, we would not be doing this."?



Jewish Group Presses Congressional Black Caucus on Moran


B’nai B’rith today issued the following letter to the Honorable Elijah E. Cummings, Chair of the Congressional Black Caucus:

March 14, 2003

Dear Chairman Cummings:

We write to you today in the spirit of an historic legacy -- that of African American-Jewish cooperation. Even before Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. marched on Washington flanked by Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel, our respective communities intuitively understood that common challenges make us natural partners – allies in our "otherness."

As you know, the Jewish community was shocked and appalled by Representative James P. Moran’s recent accusation that American Jews are responsible for plunging this country into an unnecessary war with Iraq.


Moran for Lieberman? Widely criticized in Jewish community, congressman may endorse senator
by Eric Fingerhut

Staff Writer, Washington Jewish week

Six weeks after drawing the ire of the American Jewish community with remarks many perceived as blaming Jews for the war in Iraq, Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.) says he is likely to back the only Jew in the 2004 Democratic presidential race, Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.).

"I've always supported Joe," said Moran in an interview at press time Tuesday, citing the personal friendship the two have forged through their involvement in the Democratic Leadership Council and the New Democrat Network, two organizations that represent the moderate wing of the party. "He's the one I know best."

A Lieberman adviser was less than enthused about Moran's championing of Lieberman.


Etc, etc, etc.

[Protoclown]

What the fuck is going on here? I ended up posting as Burbank due to a fuckup with the board (I was trying to quote him but somehow my quote ended up a freakish post where I WAS Burbank), and then when I went to delete that post, it removed HIS post as well. WTF???

[mburbank]

No worries there. Mostly I think he NEEDS to stop thinking about my penis. And whoever told him he was a 'great' writer had to have been kidding, drunk, clinically retarded, illiterate, Vinces Mom or some combo platter thereof.

[Protoclown]

It is still like losing a national treasure though :(

[pjalne]

What the fuck is going on here? I ended up posting as Burbank due to a fuckup with the board (I was trying to quote him but somehow my quote ended up a freakish post where I WAS Burbank

Wow... This is just like Crisis on Infinite Earths.

[Protoclown]

It was weird...seeing the world through Burbank's eyes. Everything was green, and smelled like fish.

[mburbank]

Bizarro Vince can write sentences and is often right.

[mburbank]

So, lets see. Nancy Pelosi, the minority leader and most senior elected Democrat publicly criticized him and asked him to resign his leadership post.

He was 'dragged through the mud' by

The Washington Post
The Washington Times
The National Review (liberal jewish press)
B'nai Brith (Major jewish charity organization)
The Jewish community council of Washington (calling him reprehensible and anti-semitic)
Washington Jewish week
The Jewish council called his apology 'inaddequatte'
Jewish leadership of his hoke state told him to resign

And this is all found with the most minimal research. It goes on and on, and I deliberatley excluded the through lashing he got from the conservative press, which is euqally extensive.

Vince asks: "Why do the liberals in the world today get those free passes that conservatives can’t even seem to find, let alone get a hand on? Why should liberals have protection from what they say, while conservatives are the first to get hammered if they say something that may be taken out of context?"

If what Moran got constitutes a ‘free pass’, I don’t want one. But Vinces Amoebic argument has now morphed. It’s become direct comparison of Moran’s censure, vs. Lotts. His argument is now "How come if you’re conservative, your punishment is pretty much the same but you get more cristicism for saying something awful?" This in itself is debatable, but it’s pretty weak argument in any case and very whiny.


Keep in mind, neither resigned their post, just their leadership positions. And Trent Lott was Speaker of the House, third most senior elected Republican official, in line for the Presidency!
The difference in media attention was exactly equal to their level of power. This is why Vince gets no media attention at all for being a bonehead, because he doesn’t register on anyone’s radar.

[VinceZeb]

Let's settle this right now:

Go up to 100 people on the street, random people, and metion Trent Lott.

Go up to 100 people on the street, random people, and metion Moran.

'Nuff said.

[Brandon]

Vince's line of reasoning:

"Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter said that the liberal media was once again giving Democrats a break and dragging the Republicans through the mud, therefore it must be true! After all, Rush and Ann would never say anything innacurate, right?"

[VinceZeb]

no, AB, I wrote this before anyone had really discussed the subject. I know your an idiot and easily mainpulated by anyone who writes a paper about the evils of America, but the vast majority of conservatives think for themselves and have opinons formed by their own minds. We all do not march lock step with Limbaugh or Coulter or whoever else you would like to try and put forth in a weak effort to be funny.

[Protoclown]

the vast majority of conservatives think for themselves and have opinons formed by their own minds.

Then why can't you be like them, Vince? :(

[VinceZeb]

Ok, Proto, please explain how I am a robot?

Or, give me a lists of items/topics and I will give you my honest opinions on them.

[mburbank]

So now what you meant by your article is more people are aware of the attention a Speaker of the house recieved for a racist gaffe than a minor representative recieved for his racist gaffe, even though the representative was directly criticized by his party leadership and immidiately stepped down, and the Speaker refused to for weeks and was never asked to step down by his leadership?

That's what you meant when you said people with a D next to their name get free pass? You meant Trent Lott speciffically got a more raw deal than Moran speciffically? And thats why you were writting about the trouble Santorums gotten himself into, even though he hasn't been punished in any way?

It's not that you didn't even know Moran had a leadership post, or that he stepped down or that he was publicly asked to step down by the Minority leader or that he was roundly critisized in the very media outlets you suggest said little? It's not that you didn''t bother to find out? You were just kind of overstting your case a tiny bit for effect and you relly did know what you were talking about?

Okay. If that's what you meant to get across with your article and you actually were informed on the subject matter, I'm willing to take yiu at your word. But you know what that means? You can't form and argument or write an essay worth shit.

It's A or B Vinnie. You spoke out your ass or you can't put an essay together to communicate a simple point.

[VinceZeb]

Since my essay has been put on a few sites, I guess that makes me a bad writer, huh? Someone appreciates my work.

And I enjoy your avatar, Max. Nice of you to put your dad's "getting drunk and reaming out little "Sweet meat" Maxie's butthole" picture for all to see. A nice tribute.

You know exactly what I meant in that article, and you fucking won't admit that I am right and you are still a moron. Did you see Moran anywhere besides political shows? Nope. I saw Lott EVERYWHERE! He was on BET for Christ's sake trying to explain himself for a comment that people ASSUMED was racist. Please tell me, if you read that comment that Lott said, what made it racist? Nothing about it did. It had to be assumed he was talking about segregation.

Moran's statement had no double meaning. Even you, as big as a fucking idiot as you are, can understand what he was saying. So quit trying to act like Moran was crucified just like Lott was. And who cares what their positions are? They are elected officials. If they are in the public eye and say something stupid, they should be accountable. ALL OF THEM. NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE!

But lets be realistic here, if a democrat or a liberal made the same statement, who would say anything? Talk radio types and Fox News. That is about it. Everyone else would skirt around the issue. Did you see Moran on the Today show? Did you see Moran on an Israeli or Jewish backed television station "explaining his comments"? Did you see the news where all these groups came out day after day and were reported by everyone that even halfway reports on the news about how racists he was and about how he should give up his position as an elected official? Compared to Trent Lott, he got a slap on the fucking wrist, and what he said didn't have to be interpreted to be racists, you could plainly see he was being a bigot.

Santorum will get run through the ringer, as he should. On a Constitutional level, what he wants is absurd. But if he wasn’t the most prominent Catholic our govt, a lot of these groups would have gave a little slap and nothing else. If your Christian, you best not speak your mind about what you believe, because you have no right to. But if you were a liberal commenting on something such as the Jews like your hero, Hillary Clinton did, then no one cares because you are not a big story. After all, she was just the First Lady and a Senator of New York. Nothing important there.

Please don't try to argue with me max. Your inept ability and your seething biased for anyone who doesn't think like you shines through like sunlight through the air. On any neutral forum on a political debate I would make you wear a schoolgirl outfit and give me a rim job while I smoke fine Cuban cigars.

[AChimp]

but the vast majority of conservatives think for themselves and have opinons formed by their own minds
:lol

And for some strange reason, it just so happens to be the same opinions that are expressed by the administration and the right-wing media. :lol

[VinceZeb]

And you agree with a bunch of lock-step socalist idiots up in Canada, so what the hell are you laughing at?

Sorry, but I don't agree with everything in the Conservative party line. So why don't you try to challenge me on what I think instead of being a loser who can do nothing more than talk shit? But you are canadian, so talking shit and doing nothing is pretty much you trade, eh?

[mburbank]

I'm fairly certain that 'neutral forum' of 'political debate' and your 'rim job' are mutually exclusive. You are thinking of two very different kinds of websites.

On this website I have often cordially exchanged ideas with people who's views are very different from mine. Ask Italian or Bombs or Rorshach (who though I imagine you think is simillar to me is not, I disagree with much of his political stance) or Blanco or even abcdxx.

If by 'inept ability' you mean ineptitude, I don't think you'll find anyone here to agree with you. I don't think even Naldo thinks I'm inept. It's like you calling me bland and replaceable. It shows a marked inability to percieve beyond yourself. At least when you attack me for being a Jew your right.

Your article, like this last post, was all over the map. Your argument was disorganized and I see little evidence you'd done any research. Your thesis was, I think, Republicans have to pay for what they say and Democrts don't. I think you're wrong, and I demonstrated it. I also think the issue of gaffes and what the media and public make of them are impacted a great deal by how the gaffer responds, but I think that sort of dynamic falls into a realm of complexity which is beyond you. You also play a role as observer but are far to egocentric ( and I mean that clinically, as in you see your personal lense as being a window on reality as opposed to a filter) to take that into account.

You are mean spirited, ignorant, overly proud of undeveloped skills, self absorbed, in love with violence, you demonstrate the early stages of megalomania, you are boastful, you frequently make statements you cannot back up, your writing is disjointed, and if you are to be believed, you are proud that you don't care. Somehow in your head, this brings to mind an image of me crossdressing and giving you homosexual service. Is that something you want, or is it simply that for you sexual dominance and humiliation are directly associated with intellectual victory?

I don't care for either of the Clintons very much. I don't dislike them as much as I do, say, you, but Ms. Clinton is hardly my 'hero'. I tend to like my 'heros' and demand more of them.

As to your statement about my avatar... You really don't know who it's a picture of, do you? Admittedly it's green and I doctored the eyes and teeth, but you honestly don't recognize the picture. Well, never mind. I'll be sure to make fun of your avatar should you ever learn how to post one.

[kellychaos]

Let's settle this right now:

Go up to 100 people on the street, random people, and metion Trent Lott.

Go up to 100 people on the street, random people, and metion Moran.

'Nuff said.

Probably has a lot to do with the fact that Lott was the senate majority leader and not some rinky dink regional minority whip. People in that position tend to not only more notoriety but also a lot more influential friends in both parties. The bigger they are, the harder they fall and I doubt party affiliation has that much to do with it. What do you think genius? Case closed. Bar none. "Nuff said. :)

[VinceZeb]

Yeah kelly, that's it, because if you are a part of what the media considers the "chosen ones" they will never focus on their own. yeah, it never happens THAT way, does it?

Grow the fuck up, kelly. This must be a joke because you can't be that stupid.

[mburbank]

Vince recently posted an article on his site detiling his struggle with ODD, Opositional Deffiant Disorder. I found it illuminating. Here's a description of ODD from a website on childhood disorders:

"Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD)

What is it?

ODD is a psychiatric disorder that is characterized by two different sets of problems. These are aggressiveness and a tendency to purposefully bother and irritate others.

four or more of the following are present:

* 1. Often loses temper
* 2. often argues with adults
* 3. often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules
* 4. often deliberately annoys people
* 5. often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior
* 6. is often touchy or easily annoyed by others
* 7. is often angry and resentful
8. is often spiteful and vindictive"



Vince claims his father 'cured' him with beatings. While this goes long way toward explaining Vinces preoccupation with violence, the 'cures' he sites were only temporary, and so 'cure' is perhaps not the right word.

Here's another quote from the site on childhood disorders:
"What happens to children who have this when they grow up?
…the child may continue to have ODD. Recent work suggests that this is probably the most common path."


I think I understand you better now, Vince.

[Protoclown]

I'm fairly certain that 'neutral forum' of 'political debate' and your 'rim job' are mutually exclusive. You are thinking of two very different kinds of websites.

On this website I have often cordially exchanged ideas with people who's views are very different from mine. Ask Italian or Bombs or Rorshach (who though I imagine you think is simillar to me is not, I disagree with much of his political stance) or Blanco or even abcdxx.

If by 'inept ability' you mean ineptitude, I don't think you'll find anyone here to agree with you. I don't think even Naldo thinks I'm inept. It's like you calling me bland and replaceable. It shows a marked inability to percieve beyond yourself. At least when you attack me for being a Jew your right.

Your article, like this last post, was all over the map. Your argument was disorganized and I see little evidence you'd done any research. Your thesis was, I think, Republicans have to pay for what they say and Democrts don't. I think you're wrong, and I demonstrated it. I also think the issue of gaffes and what the media and public make of them are impacted a great deal by how the gaffer responds, but I think that sort of dynamic falls into a realm of complexity which is beyond you. You also play a role as observer but are far to egocentric ( and I mean that clinically, as in you see your personal lense as being a window on reality as opposed to a filter) to take that into account.

You are mean spirited, ignorant, overly proud of undeveloped skills, self absorbed, in love with violence, you demonstrate the early stages of megalomania, you are boastful, you frequently make statements you cannot back up, your writing is disjointed, and if you are to be believed, you are proud that you don't care. Somehow in your head, this brings to mind an image of me crossdressing and giving you homosexual service. Is that something you want, or is it simply that for you sexual dominance and humiliation are directly associated with intellectual victory?

I don't care for either of the Clintons very much. I don't dislike them as much as I do, say, you, but Ms. Clinton is hardly my 'hero'. I tend to like my 'heros' and demand more of them.

As to your statement about my avatar... You really don't know who it's a picture of, do you? Admittedly it's green and I doctored the eyes and teeth, but you honestly don't recognize the picture. Well, never mind. I'll be sure to make fun of your avatar should you ever learn how to post one.

I WISH I COULD FRAME THIS POST AND PUT IT ON THE REFRIDGERATOR, BUT HERE IS A NICE BOX TO PUT IT IN FOR NOW :love

[VinceZeb]

I hope you know it was supposed to be a joke, Max.

And for someone that just hates me and my site and thinks my site is shit, you sure do love to visit it. Constantly.

[kellychaos]

I'll ignore the fact that I can barely make sense of your rebuttal. My POINT was because Moran was a small fish, he's not going to get the media attention that someone, like Senator Lott, who's in an high senate leadership position and should know better. The reason you heard Lott's name (even before the incident) is because he WAS in that position. You may think Moran came away unscathed but consider the fact that, because of his statements, he may never obtain a position like Lott's to even garner such media attention. It has nothing to do with which party that Vince thinks has control of the media you conspiracy theororizing moron. Will this affect Moran's ability to advance politically? I would say that it will and that, ultimately, is a much bigger punishment.

[Protoclown]

And for someone that just hates me and my site and thinks my site is shit, you sure do love to visit it. Constantly.

I believe Max has already made it ABDUNDANTLY clear why he enjoys your website so much. He finds it funny, but not in the way you intend. My friend's four-year old child could have figured that out by now.

[VinceZeb]

I know why he visits. And I am glad he does.

[mburbank]

I think your site is wonderful.

I know you intended your piece on ODD to be humorous, but I'm curious about what's autobiographical in it.

Here's my guess.

You may have actually been diagnosed with ODD as a child, but I think it's more likely someone described you as having ODD more recently. You certainly have all the symptoms, and you heard of it somewhere. If I'm completely off base, I suggest you research this condition more deeply. It could explain a lot.

Your father hit you when he was mad, which was often. Your mother didn't stop him.

[AChimp]

His father was always mad because he was fat. No man who was merely "large" would have a 60-inch waist.

[FS]

ODD? You mean puberty?

[VinceZeb]

ODD is some "new" disorder that is being patted about. FS stated what it is.

[AChimp]

You have no idea how well that image suits you. :)

[kellychaos]

You have no idea how well that image suits you. :)

I'll wager 10 to 1 odds that Vince participates in battle renactments of the American Revolution. His great-great-great-grandfather was a submarine commander in that war, I'll have you know. :)

[VinceZeb]

So kelly, I inquire about how much battle time you logged in during your stint in the military. From the way you talk, you fought in 3 different wars and a few covert operations to boot.

[FS]

The real question is, did he leap out of any exploding humvees?

[AChimp]

It comes down to the fact that Kelly's had real training and experience, whereas Vince just reads Tom Clancy.

[VinceZeb]

Sorry, Never have read a Tom Clancy book.

[mburbank]

Sgt. Rock?

[VinceZeb]

Heard of Sgt. Rock, but never was a fan of DC comics, although he may be a Marvel guy.

[mburbank]

Well if it wasn't Clancy or Rock, what in the world informs and inspires your immense toolishness?

And if ODD is puberty, when are you graduating?

[VinceZeb]

Yep, I'm a tool, Max. Why don't you go build your pillow fort? You do realize you are over 40 years old.

[kellychaos]

So kelly, I inquire about how much battle time you logged in during your stint in the military. From the way you talk, you fought in 3 different wars and a few covert operations to boot.

So far, I've only talked about having participated in two real world operations; one being Desert Storm and the other a peace keeping operation in Haiti. You may be confusing my training in other countries in peacetime with having said that I was involved in a battle there ... I guess? :/ The army DOES do that you know ... train with other countries "in-country. As far as THAT training I've been to Japan, Thailand, Korea and Australia. I hope that clears up any confusion for you commander. Now I gladly return you to your rantings, junior. :)

[VinceZeb]

You answer my question. I thank you for doing so.

[mburbank]

So what you mean is, you assumed he'd nver been in combat becuase you're the type of horses ass that jumps to conclusions and your sure you're right without ever checking and now you intend to pretend you were 'just asking', right?

[kellychaos]

Attack and cover ... classic military strategy ... must be all that commander training. :)

[VinceZeb]

No, Max, I wanted an answer to a question, I got it.

But I guess I had this big sinister motive! Man, Max, you got me! Big investigator!

[kellychaos]

So kelly, I inquire about how much battle time you logged in during your stint in the military. From the way you talk, you fought in 3 different wars and a few covert operations to boot.

Give me a friggin' break! If this isn't an indictment of my integrity (them's big words which means that you're calling me a liar, Vince), then I don't know what is. I have no reason to lie about my military service as it DOES truly exist. Please try not to project your guilty conscience onto me because you can't find the mysterious naval correspondence.

[VinceZeb]

No, kelly, it wasn't. I got you to answer a question. That was my original intent. Don't think too highly of yourself or the weight of your inflated head will crush your body. And for the record, such as I said before, your opinion of me matters as much as some third-world bum.

[mburbank]

You may have had no alterior motive at all. It could be just another case of how bad you are at choosing words that communicate your message at the moment.

"From the way you talk, you fought in 3 different wars and a few covert operations to boot."

If your question was "What is your combat service record?"

and not 'I bet you never saw combat while you were in the armed services', you might want to skip phrases like "from the way you talk" , limmit the number of operations you mention to a believable amount instead of the seemingly sarcastic "3 different wars and a few covert operations" and skip 'to boot' which I've never seen used in a non sarcastic context.

It's not investigation, Vince, it's reading. Simple as that. It's not fair to blame me for your bad writing.

[VinceZeb]

I write the way I want, Max. Sorry if that makes you feel bad or makes you think I have some kind of "secret motive". There is about two people that care if I make people look dumb on a message board, which by the way is my secret motive. Jack and Shit. Now run along and spread this little tidbit so it makes me look stupid and you can laugh and beat off at your net-superiority.

[kellychaos]

No, kelly, it wasn't. I got you to answer a question. That was my original intent.


Then just ask me directly. There was no need for sarcasm or incredulity because I've never overstated my military service from the start.


Don't think too highly of yourself or the weight of your inflated head will crush your body.


It's not so much that I'm proud of MY military service so much as I'm proud of my army and of anyone who has ever served whether they were involved in any combat or not.


And for the record, such as I said before, your opinion of me matters as much as some third-world bum.

Back at ya, buddy. :)

[mburbank]

But see, Vince, this is exactly my point!

"I write what I want"
-Vince

I don't think that's the case. I think you intend to communicate various speciffic things, but you write what comes out. Your excuse that it's just a message board is exactly why I started drawing quotes from your site.

Even when you DO write what you want, despite your claims you DON'T stand behind it. As Kelly is pointing out, when you asked about his service record you fully INTENDED to be doubtful, sarcastic and condescending. When you were found wrong, you backpeddled shamelessly.

That only other possability is that you intended none of those things, you only meant to ask a simple question. If THAT is the case then you don't write what you wantg, becuase that's not what you communicated.

A far more accurate statement for you would be "I don't care what I write." I think that's sad. You should care what you write if you use te internet, because your writting is the sum total of who you are here. Not caring about your writting when you're on the net as much as you are is exactly the same as not caring as your grooming, weight or odor in the so called 'real' world. If you honestly 'don't care', why have a website, why psot on any message board, let lone several?

I think you are a very conflicted and confused person. I think you don't KNOW what you want or what you care about and you try to cover it up by posturing as loudly as you are able.

[VinceZeb]

Blah Blah Blah, Max. I hope pointing out my "flaws" keeps you warm and toasty at night.

[mburbank]

Pointing ouut your "flaws" would be time consuming and depressing. Point out your flaws would be only marginally more entertaing.

Pointing out your hypocrisy, mystifyingly huge ego and hysterically dysfunctional language skills is delightful.

[mburbank]

Frist calls Santorum's GOP leadership role 'solid'
Senator drew notice with comments on gays


RELATED
• White House supports Santorum


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said Tuesday that Sen. Rick Santorum's leadership post is not in jeopardy, providing the Pennsylvania Republican with an important vote of confidence three weeks after his remarks about homosexuals.

"It's solid, it's absolutely solid," said Frist, R-Tennessee, responding to a reporter's question about Santorum's hold on his job as the No. 3 Senate GOP leader.





I hate how if you have an R after your name, you get a free pass.

[kellychaos]

Blah Blah Blah, Max. I hope pointing out my "flaws" keeps you warm and toasty at night.

You can heat the collective households of a small midwestern city on those things. :)

[VinceZeb]

You can heat the collective households of a small midwestern city on those things. :)

As you could with your stank breath.

[mburbank]

JUMP BACK! BURN! BURRRRRNNNNN!!

I can only assume you agree Santorum just got a big 'ol free pass from his leadership. Why? Because of the R.

Everyone should read the entire interview the Santorum quote was culled from. At one point he starts talking about Man on Dog sex and the reporter tells him he's 'freaking her out'.

[VinceZeb]

I do have to say I am suprised that he didn't get more shit thrown at him. I am not saying I agree with the guy, Max, as you seem to be trying to implacate. But he seems to have gotten off light. That I do admit.

[mburbank]

No, you said right off you didn't agree with him. I got that.

The thrust of your 'article' though was that that far more important than Santorum being wrong was the fact that Democrats didn't have to pay for gaffes and Republicans did. In fcat, far from having 'shit' thrown at him, Frist has heaped praise on him.

I think it's pretty clear your thesis is wrong.

But bully for you, admitting your surprise. You just came very close to admitting you were wrong about something, and Naldo has never done that here even once.

[mburbank]

BUMP!!

[Zhukov]

Cheers mburbank :)


This is directed to vincezeb:

I really couldn't help visiting your 'site', (nice porn by the way :|) and I was wondering if you could clear a few things up for me.

In your 'article' "ALL INDIANS/NO CHIEFS: NOBLE IDEA OR DANGEROUS THINKING?" you make an 'example' of Socilalism:

"But since people are not perfect, this is just one of many concept, such as socialism, that look great in a textbook but have no real value in reality. "

Socialism has nothing to do with "ALL INDIANS/NO CHIEFS". Socialism does indeed have 'chiefs', but I use that term loosley.

If you are going to use Socialism, can you at least point out why you think that it has no value, instead of making it sound like fact. The tired line "it doesn't work" is never explained. So please explain.


" The absence of a Higher Power. Without an authority to fear, even if It does not truly exist, human beings have nothing to fear except for their fellow man. "

People already fear their fellow man, so why is this a bads thing?

"If one is so inclined to commit a “Great Leap Forward” such as Mao Tse-Tung or the slaughtering of millions like Stalin then they can do so without repercussions, because in their own minds, A Higher Power or God does not exists."


Well done with using Mao and Stalin, those dirty "communists" didn't have a higher power, did they? Mao and Stalin were the higher power. So who does an authority fear????? Mao and Stalin did get repercussions, it is only the fact that they were the "higher power" that nothing was done about it.

I would like to know what you think the "Great Leap Forward" was, without using a websearch.

"...And that is how many movements have sprouted up, such as Karl Marx and his ideology that led to the dangerous reign of terror in Russia. Remember how many people he murdered the next time someone brings up the “Religion is the opiate of the masses” quote."

I'm guessing you are talking about Communism. Communism is not a "movement", just like feudalism or the Renaissance were not "movements". (Marx did not invent Communism)

Saying that Communism paved the way for Stalin is like saying that Jesus and Christianity paved the way for Hitler. Please give me an example (even a fake one) of Karl Marx murdering anyone.

You finish your journey with: "Instead of having no Chiefs, let everyone be a Chief and have no Indians."

That realy is a good idea, in fact that is the idea that my comrades and I have been struggling for. It sounds very much like Lenins':

"When everyone is a beuracrat, then no one is."

SOLIDARITY COMRADE!

I mean no sarcasm.

[mburbank]

Vince is going to love you.

You might want to measure your penis, he's pretty interested in compring penis length. In terms of intellectual argument, relative penis size is very, very important to him.

[AChimp]

Here, this'll help you out. Vince e-mailed it to all of us a while ago. :)

http://members.shaw.ca/achimp/vincechart.jpg

[VinceZeb]

Zhukov, I will be glad to answer all your questions at a later time. I just got home from work and it is too fucking late to think.

[AChimp]

You must work a lot.

[mburbank]

Chimp, did you make that chart? That is hysterical, especially 'Bigger than your brian'. If I had awards to give out, that would get one.

[AChimp]

I photoshopped the text. ;)

You should make some awards. :(

[Zhukov]

Vince, with your help I managed to stretch my willy up to 'Bigger than Brian' size, I had some trouble fitting my wankstop into the lines though. It was very embarasing being caught pushing my groin up against the monitor - does this entitle me to a reply?

If you didn't plan to answer in the first place I would've been content with a simple 'fuck off'.

>:

[kellychaos]

If you didn't plan to answer in the first place I would've been content with a simple 'fuck off'.

>:

And YOU said that you didn't know him. :wink You've got him down to a science already.

P.S. Don't forget to send Vinth those measurements WITH photo attachments. You gotta ante up or you can't even be in the game. :)

[Zhukov]

I posted on Vinces' website, and despite 'loving to hear any feedback', I still haven't recieved any remarks. I also posted about another geezers view of Anarchy, and I would love to hear some feedback.

Vince seems to love to call people idiot Liberals and Socialist fools, so why not me? I even called you a cocksmoker, Vince, why no return? :/


WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO BE CALLED A SOCIALIST FOOL AROUND HERE?!

[kellychaos]

WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO BE CALLED A SOCIALIST FOOL AROUND HERE?!

You have to put in your time just like the rest of us. Vinth doesn't belittle just anyone's cock size you know! :rolleyes :)

[Zhukov]

Reponse! :eek Thankyou!

http://pub68.ezboard.com/fthecatholicsamuraifrm12.showMessage?topicID=1.top ic


Now I know what people mean...

" And I thought I fixed that qote about Stalin. I was in a hurry when I typed that, I did not mean Marx in that sentence, I meant Stalin."

You meant Stalin, yet you quoted Marx... :/