SHOULD THIS BOARD REVISE THE BANNING POLICY? [Archive]

Anonymous

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:13 AM

Basically we all know that you only get banned if you come here to spam. I can't really think of hardly anyone else that has ever been banned.

I like the freespeachyness of the boards, but I also think there are way too many useless people on here... which I think has ruined the boards because hardly anyone, except for crap peoples, posts in general blabber now. I don't even know how many people even bother to read general blabber anymore. I had hoped with the switch to the new boards we would have lost some people, but it seems like it just got worse.

So now, yes or no, and if yes how should it work.

Cap'n Crunch

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:16 AM

I'm saying yes. I am still considered useless by many people but I am starting to wise up. I am putting more effort into my posts and stuff. I think if you go around and post useless garbage, off-topic dribble, and spam you should be under consideration of banning. Well, that is my opinion.

noob3

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:16 AM

Yes

Ban Crunch

Edit - I wonder how many times I can edit a post..

Edit - LOL DON'T BAN ME ;)

slavemason

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:17 AM

http://asuaf.org/~enigmatic/insult/banned.jpg
Some habits are hard to break.
Please, let the bannings begin!

feelevil

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:18 AM

if i be banned yall a bunch of racists!!!! >:

lol just playin PEACE

Perfect Suspect

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:21 AM

I feel like this is basketball tryouts and the first cuts are about to begin...

And I'm the fat 4'2 morbidly obese kid :(

Anonymous

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:24 AM

I think some kind of rules that say what will get you banned just be posted. Maybe the threat alone will get rid of most of the shit. And if not then ban

noob3

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:28 AM

I don't think there is a set of rules, but a set of people who decide who sucks. And not all old cranky veterans who were posting on the Winky's board, or wherever the fuck the veterans posted. The mods we have already are ideal for this, maybe one or two other people.

feelevil

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:28 AM

werd> n i suggest a warning to peeps who start gettin annoying >> 3 strikez yo ass iz OUT deal

i know i m pretty h8d here, n if yall want me out no hard feelins > but yo my shits GOTTA be more interesting to read than a useless sentence wit a sadface or frownie that adds nothing of value to a thread that so many peeps be doin>>

just my 50 cents

Perfect Suspect

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:33 AM

Rules were made to be broken, I think posting then will only instigate more shit. There should just be a one strike and your out no bullshit policy.

Below: A perfect example of why there should be a No Bullshit Policy

slavemason

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:33 AM

I wish some moderator would step in and insert 30 prepositions into feelevil's post so he could be more ******y. That's is one piss poor soda cracker.

Cap'n Crunch

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:34 AM

I actually agree with feelevil. There should be a warning policy going out to the people who are out of the guide lines. The only change that I am making is that you should only get one warning, and if you start up again you should get banned. BTW, does anyone like my 8-bit -RoG-? I made it for a secret Flash project.

noob3

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:37 AM

Rog has given Crunch like 50 warnings for POSTING CRAP IN REPLY TO EVERYTHING. And then Crunch thinks he'll get on his good side for MAKING A RETARDED FLASH FEATURING HIM. BUT HE DOSN'T REALIZE, PEOPLE DON'T LIKE BEING PUT IN THINGS THAT FUCKING SUCK

Perfect Suspect

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:42 AM

Why should RoG, Dr. Boogie, or anyone on the I-Mock staff waste his time to inform assholes that what there doing is wrong.

It's Simple

1 -Don't Spam
2 -Try To Stay On Topic
3 -Keep posting a medium pace
4 -Do not be a constant pain in the ass
5 -Keep Sig images small
6 -For new people Read the Guidelines of Chojin's Newbie Guide

If you can't follow that, then don't bother posting here anymore.

Oh and that sig pic, kinda inflicts number 5, but other than that, a fine peice of 8-bit asskissing :)

slavemason

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:45 AM

Are three post in twenty minutes in the same thread your idea of posting at a medium pace you blabber bowel.

noob3

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:46 AM

7) DO NOT BE A SUCK NEWBIE:

BYE BYE PERFECT SUSPECT :lol

Cap'n Crunch

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:47 AM

I'm not kissing ass nor trying to get on Rog's good side. This cartoon was in the works for a little bit and I started to work on it again. As for Rog telling me not the post in every topic and reply, he only said that twice, and I am sorry for the inconvenience it MAY have caused you, Noob3.

Jixby Phillips

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:48 AM

I should decide who gets banned and who doesn't get banned both on this board AND in REAL LIFE

slavemason

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:50 AM

http://www.emplive.com/images/explore/art_shwcse/rock_reading/banned_in_dc.jpg

Perfect Suspect

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:52 AM

7) DO NOT BE A SUCK NEWBIE:

BYE BYE PERFECT SUSPECT :lol

Adios Noob3

Jixby Phillips

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:52 AM

Or we could make this a pay board some how? I would love that, because I've allready payed :( I'd like to think it would drive the useless people away because who would pay just to post "hehe kewl" or "lol @ u"? But it would suck if somebody really annoying payed because then we'd be stuck with them because they payed :(

Try turning off post counts, I'm very sure there are people here who post just to make it go up.

noob3

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:56 AM

Yeah, alot of people think that post count equals acceptance. Post count or how long you've been at the board, sheesh!

Adios Noob3

Posting here since '01 makes me a newbie, huh? What now!? :rolleyes

Anonymous

Apr 27th, 2003, 02:02 AM

Jixby -yeah I think I was thinking about this because something awful opened up there forums for non paying people to see... and I saw that they don't have all the pointless crap posts I see on here. And they have shitloads of people posting. So I had said something to Rog about having people pay - but he doesn't want to do that. I understand why he doesn't, so I was hoping maybe there was some other way

Perfect Suspect

Apr 27th, 2003, 02:24 AM

Every board has his appearance of a bunch of idiots. Maybe there should be a baord open to everyone, where people who want to be idiots be idiots, banning is still appiled, and then if they seemed to be an accepted member of the "message board society" (that's the best way I can put it, the get a password to the real boards where the non-idiots can come to these boards.

Of course this thing will get me banished, but I'm just trying to help.

Schimid

Apr 27th, 2003, 02:31 AM

I sure hope that policy doesn't come into effect.

I've been here a day and people already don't like me. :/

whoreable

Apr 27th, 2003, 02:33 AM

I was really suprised to see how many people came here, I figured the move from ezboards would eliminate most of the newbies, but obviously it hasnt.

but onesty I kinda like how people dont really get banned here. I fucking hate boards were every person is a goddamn drama queen and ban people for stupid shit. Not that this would happen, but still I like how there is such little admin intervention. The best admins are the ones that dont use their power so much.

I wish I had a solution to get rid of these guys, I dont think that paying is the answer though. If you do that I doubt you would ever get new members, and you would lose alot of old members. The boards would get boring. I know I wouldnt pay if I had to, although I would definetly consider donating if not forced to.

Anonymous

Apr 27th, 2003, 02:41 AM

this isn't meant to get rid of people we don't like. There wouldn't be a board if that was the case. It's just the millions of pointless posts, and the same three people calling each other fags in every thread sort of thing that I think needs to be gone.
Philo board is a good example of people who post in there that are hated, but I don't think any of the mods would want to ban them.

whoreable

Apr 27th, 2003, 02:46 AM

still where exactly can you draw the line?

noob3

Apr 27th, 2003, 02:49 AM

Guessing:

People like Wiffles (If it's not a character), who post nothing of meaning anywhere. Just "I like cheese", ect. Also, people who just argue with eachother and totally de-rail threads. IE, Matt Harty, Professor Cool. Captain Crunch, because he's worthless.

Teenage_Zombie138

Apr 27th, 2003, 02:50 AM

im new i already feel like ive done somthing wrong :(

Anonymous

Apr 27th, 2003, 02:50 AM

Essentially, I will be the one banning everybody and becoming a big drama queen, so that the pressure to become a drama queen will be taken off of the other moderators.

whoreable

Apr 27th, 2003, 02:55 AM

not exactly what i meant... :/

Wiffles

Apr 27th, 2003, 02:59 AM

Is Wiffles gonna get banned? Is I-Mockery afraid of Wiffles?

^_~

CastroMotorOil

Apr 27th, 2003, 12:58 PM

I agree that something needs to be done about the needless posts people keep making. I will be honest and say i know i have done it every now and then (especially when i first arrived), but i do not reply to every goddamn thread on the board. I'd say i agree with feelevil that a 3 strike policy should be sufficient. 1 strike will ban a few too many people who may just fuck up again and actually be sorry. If you do it 3 times, you are not going to get better. Maybe a post limit per day, something like 15-20?

AChimp

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:11 PM

Ban most characters. Characters that should remain are the ones that are either tradition or prove that they can be funny to more than one or two people.

Ban people who post really stupid/useless shit consistently. Once you reach 20-30 posts, you already know the ropes and are familiar with this board's atmosphere.

Ban people with really annoying signatures who refuse to change them (not really a problem anymore with phpBB).

Create a separate forum for veterans so we can escape all the bullshit without having to hide in the Philosophy board. This can be accomplished with phpBB's usergroups. :(

Evil Robot

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:14 PM

Why dont we get a congressman to pass a bill forcing the courts to accept threads as admissible evidence. That might make people think twice about what they post.

Cap'n Crunch

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:20 PM

Create a separate forum for veterans so we can escape all the bullshit without having to hide in the Philosophy board. This can be accomplished with phpBB's usergroups. :(

But aren't these boards for free and to be used by everyone? Are there groups or titles of veterans and non-veterans to be given out? I think just more topics would settle most of these matters.

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:22 PM

I don't know. I'm as annoyed as most people about the way you see trios of people post in the same order, in the same threads over and over again, but I don't know if there's much to do about it. The problem as I see it, is that a few people who are despised by groups of mockers don't stop sucking because there's plenty of other people despised by groups of mockers that encourage their behavior.

Fwah. Maybe moderators could delete some replies here and there when a thread starts derailing (without it being humorous) or people start replying to each other over and over again with uninspired single-sentence posts. There's several people here for whom their 'recent posts' are ridiculously short, pointless and useless.

At least we mustn't forget that there's still plenty cool people who join the board. A paid board just doesn't help, and a private forum for the 'elite' is gay.

AChimp

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:33 PM

You just mad because you wouldn't be included, you newbie homo. >:

EDIT: Yes, I mean you, FatSatan. >:

Schimid

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:34 PM

If we're gonna talk about deleting characters, keep Violently Angry Rasta. He's great. :)

Ninjavenom

Apr 27th, 2003, 01:49 PM

Aye, Rog said nix on the Usergroups when a asked a little while ago for one about ninjas.

I know i'd still be willing to join if you had to pay for these boards, but i don't like the idea of subscribing to a message board, having to pay just to post chatter or stuff that can essentially be talked about over AIM conversations, just on a much smaller scale. As for bannings, i think the problem would be solved by warning the nuisances, (with a banning to follow if they don't shape up) and posting a list of rules regarding behavior, with a link to (or a movement of) Chojin's newbie guide. It's in the Questions forum, where no one really sees it, and the problem is really only in this forum. The Philo board is indeed a great example of what GB should be, with people that are hated still posting, but not making as many shitty, whiny threads as possible.

I feel like the guy who has to keep the crusty old dog because he's too attached to shoot it. The irony is that this is what the Metal board at the EZBoard was like, but now the new Metal Board is what the old GB was like. :/

I've been on a few other message boards, and the ones that are the best and most useful are the ones that post the rules. I know rules to the forums seems kind of Anti-Mockery, but i'll say now i'd rather be a little anti-semitic about what i read than be constantly annoyed by people who seem to take the right to post for granted. I'm also sure that Rog doesn't exactly like the idea of paying good money just to read the kind of crap that floods GB on an endless scale, like an atomic-bomb of stupidity.

James

Apr 27th, 2003, 02:08 PM

I think the problem isn't that we got so many new users who suck. I think the problem is that we've gotten soft and haven't given them the shit they deserve.

On top of that, we did lose people in the move, but they were all good. Wille, Scott and Edorian don't seem to come around much, and Cecropia's vanished. :( I'm sure there's others, but I can't think of them.

Anyway, deciding what makes for a reason to ban an idiot is impossible to set in stone, without it being a double standard and/or not holding true at all.

"I say we ban 'insert name here,' because he's annoying. Why's he annoying? I don't know, he just is. He ruins things."

How do you make a rule based on some newbie being fucking retarded?

AChimp

Apr 27th, 2003, 02:17 PM

Sorry, but some people's posts have gone completely downhill in the last few months, especially after it BECAME FASHIONABLE TO POST IN ALL CAPS and say that people are faggorts!! LOL! LOL! ROFL!!!!!!!

I say that we should banning should be well-thought out, but there should also be the possibility of knee-jerk reaction bannings. >:

whoreable

Apr 27th, 2003, 02:24 PM

I think rog needs to add the ignore feature. then all of us can ignore the dumbfucks.

but i have to kinda agree with Jamesman here. People arent the cruel bastards they used to be. People now seem to think just because no one gives them shit that they are automatically accepted and can start posting all the dumb crap they can.

Just take a look at how much waterwich posts now.

AChimp

Apr 27th, 2003, 02:34 PM

We don't attack them anymore because it stopped working. The stupid newbies ended being characters made by people who had already been accepted, or the newbies were so goddamned dense that they just didn't get it that we didn't want them around.

What's the point in trying to bail out the ship with a teaspoon when have better things to do?

Most of the good attackers rarely come here anymore. Where's Jaeger? McClain shows up once in a while. I think Carni doesn't bother anymore because he probably feels the same as me. :(

Professor Cool

Apr 27th, 2003, 02:42 PM

Isn't there someway you can tag a person for being a useless and annoying poster, that way when they see the tag, now one will give a damn about them, and like an ignored bully they will just go away, and if they are constant offenders then they are just banned.

Black Flag

Apr 27th, 2003, 03:25 PM

We need george to come back and stir up some trouble. :(

Anonymous

Apr 27th, 2003, 03:32 PM

I think Boogie and I are the only really grumpy mods, and we have been mods the longest and have yet to abuse our powers. I don't think anyone needs to worry about things getting out of control

Mockery

Apr 27th, 2003, 03:40 PM

Basically, what I think is gonna happen is I'm going to post a revised board rules thing here in general blabber and start enforcing it more strictly. The only thing I ever keep an eye on is people's signatures, I'm constantly telling people to resize their sigs (Speaking of which, Cap'n, your sig is too tall, change it now.)

Right now I'm not pointing fingers at anybody, but you'll know if you're fucking up once these new rules are implemented. Chances are, I'm going to have it so you get a few warnings and then if you're still fucking up, you'll get banned for a month. Then if you're still acting like an ass, you'll just be banned for good.

I hardly even read General Blabber anymore... the other forums are MUCH more interesting. And for the record, there are some really good newbies joining... but they're not posting in this forum and trying to be all "LOOK AT ME. I AM THE MISTER FUNNIES TOO! ROFLROFL!" They're making normal posts and adding something valuable to the conversations rather than just replying to every thread for the sake of replying.

And yes, as someone already stated, it's hard to pay for a board each year (which many of the board veterans donated to) when you see people filling up the most active forum (general blabber) with 99% usel drivel.

I'll probably post the revised board rules in the next day or so. In the meantime, I strongly suggest those of you who haven't read chojin's old newbie guide (http://www.i-mockery.net/viewforum.php?f=2) (which is meant to HELP you get used to these forums, not mock you) for starters.

If any of you have suggestions for things you'd like to see in the rules (ie: problems that keep coming up on the board) by all means post them here and I'll take 'em into consideration.

-RoG-

Krythor

Apr 27th, 2003, 03:51 PM

I'm gonna have to agree with both Jamesman on the cruel thing, and Jixby's idea of taking out the post count. It's not used for anything anyway, but some people see it as a "TOTALLY RAD INTRONET SCORE" or something.

I remember how cruel, mean and funny this board was when I was lurking, and it just seems that people have given up putting any effort into giving the idiots, who think they're something that they're not, what they deserve. :(

The_Rorschach

Apr 27th, 2003, 04:21 PM

My opinion counts for jack shit, but I'll throw it out there anyway.

Making a pay-account basis will exclude new people from joining, yes, including possibly cool ones. -Now, for the record, I've never contributed dollar one to this site, regardless of the excuses I offer, so that might colour my argument some.

I wouldn't mind seeing a ban, but even ISP bans can be gotten around without too much trouble.

Someone mentioned an Ignore feature, and that is what I would go with if its an option. Might have to code the program yourself as I've never heard of it on a messageboard before, but if you could create an option that allows one to Ignore all posts by a specified user it would certainly clear up alot of the bullshit. Add in an default action when a quota of ignores is met on one user it results in a ban and you have a mod-friendly solution right there.

I can already think of a handful of problems with this, but this isn't an easy situation.

Grazzt

Apr 27th, 2003, 04:23 PM

I suggest just deleting dumb posts.

Grazzt

Apr 27th, 2003, 04:24 PM

Or as an alternative, just ignore those people you think are moronic.

The_Rorschach

Apr 27th, 2003, 04:24 PM

Jazus, Grazzt is using the Rorschach as his userpict.

Bastard.

Grazzt

Apr 27th, 2003, 04:28 PM

I would have gotten the Comedian but I couldn't find anything small enough. :( But Rorschach is great as well.

theapportioner

Apr 27th, 2003, 04:32 PM

Having a quota may result in people banned because of political views, disliking Radiohead, or some other dumb reason.

Having the ignore option (without quota) could potentially be part of a premium "pay" service, if Rog wants to make some money. It keeps the boards from being elitist, while putting cash in Rog's vault and making those who pay happier.

What about having all would-be members requiring approval before getting their accounts registered and being allowed to post? The downside would mean more work for the moderators, though you have some control over who comes in, and newbies would know who their daddy is. They could have a 90 day probationary period -- a warning or two, and then they are outta here.

Jebus

Apr 27th, 2003, 04:39 PM

I'm pretty sure making rules would do nothing except cause a larger workload for mods having to send out warnings to people. Newbs don't realize what they are saying is completely worthless and pointless which is how the crap gets posted in the first place. The newbs have been told hundreds of times why and how their posts are stupid and pointless and yet it continues to happen. I don't think posting the rules are going to make any difference. Otherwise they would have fixed themselves the first 100 times they were told what they were doing wrong.

Edit: The only way that the senseless posting will stop is taking out the few really bad ones, giving the lesser bad ones less to reply to. Picking the really bad ones is the hard part though. :/

whoreable

Apr 27th, 2003, 04:45 PM

I think we need to hear from mew.

VinceZeb

Apr 27th, 2003, 05:05 PM

This situation is very simple: This board isn't a democracy, its a dictatorship. Whoever runs and pays for it makes the rules. If people are being asshole just to be assholes, then whoever rules the roost proceeds with the proper action. That's pretty much it.

Ninjavenom

Apr 27th, 2003, 05:06 PM

Aye, he's been rather silent on the issue. Proto as well.

Anonymous

Apr 27th, 2003, 05:08 PM

Having the ignore option (without quota) could potentially be part of a premium "pay" service, if Rog wants to make some money. It keeps the boards from being elitist, while putting cash in Rog's vault and making those who pay happier.

Something like that sounds like a pretty good idea if it's possible

Mockery

Apr 27th, 2003, 05:10 PM

There is an ignore hack for php boards that I can install, but I've contacted the author to see if there's a way to set it so only people who are part of a certain group (ie: a donating user or whatever) can use it, cuz I definitely like the idea of using it not only to make the board more enjoyable, but to raise money for the board itself.

Here's basically what the hack does:

This hack allows members to compile a list of users to ignore. Posts of the ignored users will be replaced by a message that the user is being ignored. There is a link that will show the post if the member chooses to read it.

This also removes the ignored user's post in the topic review when replying to the thread.

-RoG-

Esuohlim

Apr 27th, 2003, 05:20 PM

Posts of the ignored users will be replaced by a message that the user is being ignored.

So that basically means that instead of completely removing the ignored user's post from the thread, the message they write will be replaced by something like "This user is ignored"?

Doesn't that defeat the purpose of ignoring?

mew barios

Apr 27th, 2003, 05:20 PM

my thinking is.. i would say the situation really isn't so terrible. but i have to admit that i barely even skim over general anymore. :(

i don't really like the idea of me removing posts or banning or even.. being unpleasant to people simply upon the grace that they're irrtating lil suchnsuchs. :( i wasn't so brilliant when i first showed up on the boards way back in whenever. i didn't talk much though. o.o

tch. maybe there should be a limit imposed on the number of posts a new member can make. like. 5 a day max. and at least a week before they can make a new topic. lolz :/

if there's a clearer set of rules, i'll make sure they're enforced? i guess that's all there is to it for me. :o

Les Waste

Apr 27th, 2003, 05:21 PM

I've been on a board that went through this exact same problem. People started getting banned for reasons like "being sarcastic" or saying bad things about the site the board was part of. Even though a lot of these people were ISP banned, they were still very bitter about being banned for really no good reason.

What happened was a large group of people who were banned were re-registering (I don't know who said it, but it really is easy to get around an ISP ban) and starting to purposefully make the forum suck. They would flood the forum with worthless topics so bad that you would need to look at page 8 of the forum to see the start of the legitimate threads.

And it's not like it was that bad. I was a mod on that board, and it wasn't that hard to prune out all the retarded threads, but it was inconvenient. And a mod wasn't always online, so people would come to the board, see several pages of bullshit threads, and leave. People stopped coming to the board, and that's without even mentioning that most of the threads that weren't flood threads where people who weren't banned complaining that the people who were banned shouldn't have been banned.

I agree with VinceZeb, and that's the position I took when this admin was banning everyone he didn't like. It's not a democracy, it really is a dictatorship. But that doesn't mean people are going to like it and decide to stay around. And if there's a mass exodus, the boards will suck more than they do before people started to get banned because the only person left would be Cap'n Crunch.

I think there should be more people banned, but I think the rules should be extremely well established. I think turning off post counts is a good idea, I think giving people warnings is a good idea, and I think banning people for 30 days is a good idea. As long as people don't get banned for "being annoying" or "being gay."

Apr 27th, 2003, 05:26 PM

Mockery

Apr 27th, 2003, 05:28 PM

exactly.

Les Waste

Apr 27th, 2003, 05:36 PM

Yeah, but unless EVERYONE is ignoring that person it still won't make any sense. Someone else might not be ignoring the same person you are, and you'll be reading one half of the conversation.

Granted, if you're ignoring someone they probably didn't attribute anything to threads in the first place. But if someone replies to a post by a person you're ignoring it won't make any sense at all.

Mockery

Apr 27th, 2003, 05:40 PM

Les, I don't have an ignore feature installed, yet I'm already ignoring you. ;)

Jixby Phillips

Apr 27th, 2003, 05:44 PM

What about a "Gay-up's" forum?

No seriously, Any kind of "Lame" forum or something... It could keep General Blabber clean(er) of bad topics, and it's not like anybody could really be mad over getting their topic moved, because it's not deleted, it's just in a different place. It might discourage people from being so useless.

whoreable

Apr 27th, 2003, 05:45 PM

I like the 5 posts a day thing for new people. once they reach 100 posts they shoudl be able to start new threads. so it would take them about one month of posting before they could even start their shitty threads.

what would be even better than the normal ignore feature would be if the admin could auto ignore people for the whole board that would be an interesting alternative to banning.

EDIT: "gay ups" is a great idea.

Anonymous

Apr 27th, 2003, 05:46 PM

An ignore feature that would completely erase the person from your view would be great. No-one worth reading would have annoying people unignored to begin with, so it wouldn't be confusing at all.

The only downside is that people new to the forums wouldn't get a good representation of the good posters, but it's not like they are now, either.

Probably the best solution would be the option to ignore/unignore in groups of paid, vets (1yr on this board), and unpaid.

Oh, and hello.

*I'm still gone until I get myself figured out, Mew just showed me the thread. It wasn't really the job, or lack thereof, that was the big problem behind my vacation.

Les Waste

Apr 27th, 2003, 05:49 PM

Mockery, if you're ignoring me how did you know what I said in my last post?! ;) HAHA, I WIN!! KING ME!! CHECK MATE!! :( :(

I'd like a Gay-ups forum. Those always seem to work well.

Perfect Suspect

Apr 27th, 2003, 05:51 PM

I think General Blabber should be the Gay-Ups thread, it's good name has been ruined. Then make a new all purose chatter for only the veterans along with the other boards.

Oh and hello Chojin

Jixby Phillips

Apr 27th, 2003, 05:55 PM

The advantage a Gay-Ups forum has over any one person just banning and deleting people based on their own judgements, is that other people also can't complain: like how Mr Fart got banned off the old board. I never shut up about that. This time if any admin didn't like a thread but somebody else here DID, they couldn't complain because there's still a place for them to read what normally would have been deleted.

If it made people think "Oh well I can post anything I want because they'll just move it to gay ups and nothing will happen to me :picklehat" THEN you'd ban them.

AChimp

Apr 27th, 2003, 05:58 PM

I like Jixby's idea. :)

We'd still have to set banning rules, though, like banning people who keep making the admins move their gay-ups.

Krythor

Apr 27th, 2003, 06:03 PM

That does sound like a good idea. Keeping track of the number of "Gay-ups" a user makes and banning if they reach a certain limit would be an effective way of cleaning out the crap.

Les Waste

Apr 27th, 2003, 06:05 PM

Jixby's solutions are the best so far. Make a gay-ups forum and turn off post counts.

I think post counts are just making new people post more in an attempt to have a higher post count, because they feel that will make them be more accepted, due to this thinking that many people have of "you all just hate me because I'm a newbie! But if I post more, I won't be a newbie any more, and you'll love me!" Idiots are still going to have that thought process, but I think it wouldn't run as rampant if post counts were turned off.

Perfect Suspect

Apr 27th, 2003, 06:18 PM

I think towards new people, they think you are rewarded with those little signatures under your name, and you get more privileges as long as your participation is good (Post Counts for example). So they continue till they are noticed and they think they'll will gain a higher status, they're are some message boards that are like that. Of course they're are people that were smart enough to ask.

Of course it is a little irritating when you see two or three post about "How do i get that subtitle thing" threads in the Q&S Forum.

Jixby Phillips

Apr 27th, 2003, 06:39 PM

Also, before each thread is moved to gay ups it should be made vocal as to WHO is to blame for it being moved, since the person who started the thread isn't always to blame.

noob3

Apr 27th, 2003, 06:46 PM

Let's just turn post counts off for awhile and see how that goes

theapportioner

Apr 27th, 2003, 07:02 PM

The idea of a Gayups forum is fine, but moving threads from GB or elsewhere to a Gayups forum would spell more work for the moderators, and perfectly good threads could be hijacked (even intentionally) so that they are ruined and moved. Plus I think most of us would agree that it's nice to have some fun in a thread, and the decision to move one but not the other could be quite arbitrary.

I still prefer the ignore feature -- it's a one-shot time investment for the admins to develop it, and it saves us the trouble of even looking at idiotic posts. One drawback, however, would be if the idiot reformed her or his ways and we would lose out on reading his or her clever, funny, or interesting posts.

If a paid premium service were developed, you could offer this feature and others (such as multiple userids, more emoticons, picture icons, the caption under the userid, discounts on goods purchased through the site, etc...). No one really "needs" these amenities to post. Not sure how easy it would be to implement, but throwing the idea on the table.

ziggytrix

Apr 27th, 2003, 07:25 PM

Keep the rules as simple as possible. If you trust your mods like I know you do, you won't have to spell out every detail about what is and isn't acceptable.

Warnings via PM or an "examples of unacceptable behavior forum" or both would be fine to let someone know they are overstepping a boundry, but I'm not sure there should be a set number of strikes before one gets a time-out. I trust our mods to use good judgement. I'm not worried about Doopa or Protoclown banning someone for being gay. :troutslap

And I think if we do get a new forum for stupid posts, it shold be called The Stupid Forum or better yet, The Newbie Forum.

James

Apr 27th, 2003, 07:55 PM

I really can't read all these posts. When I woke up and checked the boards, I just saw this thread and it was at 2 pages. I come back later today, and it's at 4.

Really, the bottom line is that people are boring, annoying, or flat-out stupid. I don't quite know how we'd make rules about this, unless it's done deliberately and frequently. But then again, there are a few regulars who do that on a normal basis for whatever reason. So is it safe to say whatever the rules may be, there will be a double-standard?

VinceZeb

Apr 27th, 2003, 07:59 PM

Doesn't the nature of the main site dictate that you may get.. well... a hell of a lot of annoying and stupid people on the boards? I mean, I think you all do a good job of keeping the various topics seperated. Best kept message board I have seen in a long time.

KevinTheOmnivore

Apr 27th, 2003, 08:50 PM

Having a pay option would be a bad idea, cuz like Ror said, it might keep cool folks out, and doesn't necessarily keep the losers out (I'm sure mom & dad's credit card is close by).

I like the ignore option, perhaps after a stern reinforcin' of ye ol' rules.

Cap'n Crunch

Apr 27th, 2003, 09:06 PM

Wouldn't ignoring people be useless? If you ignore people you dislike or something, that means only the regulars and people who stayed here a long time would still be the same. The newbs right now, would still be newbs. If they become smart while they are being ignored the whole time, no one would know. They would consider someone who posts are good, a newb still, which they really aren't. I don't like the idea of ignoring, but that is just me.

soundtest

Apr 27th, 2003, 09:14 PM

I feel kinda weird replying to this cuz I'm pretty much a newbie myself (well, more lurker I'd like to believe), but I like the idea of removing post counts and putting limits on how many posts newbies make per day if that is even possible. A newbie forum is also a decent idea.

I don't know how possible or time consuming this would be, but just to throw out the idea: what about a status system so that 'proven' members have the freedom to post as much as they want and those who would like to earn that status just have to not be stupid? It would at least give those that seem so desperate for acceptance here some direction.

It seems that the same 3 or 4 people have to reply to everything and it is pretty annoying. Not that I am any expert on quality control by any means.

But maybe just this topic was enough to open some users' eyes - since it's been up I haven't seen as much of the above mentioned crap. Maybe you scared 'em STRAIGHT Doopa 8-)

Again - my opinion means shit and for all I know I'm one of the idiots that shouldn't be here, so feel free to tell me to go fuck myself :)

Black Flag

Apr 27th, 2003, 09:15 PM

I don't like the idea of ignoring, but that is just me.

Of course you don't, because you know that everyone would ignore you.

Secret Agent Vomit

Apr 27th, 2003, 09:28 PM

If people actually made interesting or entertaining threads instead of threads bitching about how boring the forum is, then I think the forum would be better. There, I solved your problem.

Skulhedface

Apr 27th, 2003, 09:39 PM

Dropping any semblance of character whatsoever:

I guess I'm guilty of not being myself, I thought I knew what was going on, but maybe I was wrong, in that case excuse me, but allow the fact that I'm not just a newb to I-Mockery.net, but more or less a newb to message boards in general. I was basically playing an exaggerated character because it looked like that's what people DID around here.

I can't speak for the others like Esuohlim or Matt Harty, but the main reason I came here was because I like reading the political forums (admittedly, I don't know enough to actually comment on them) and posting in the metal and gaming forums, but people don't post there enough. Everyone seems to gravitate to GB, and even I'm guilty of getting the impression that GB is nothing but a place to talk your shit and play your characters.

Maybe that's half the problem. I'll admit, that's the impression I got, as a newb, that GB was basically a place for people to fuck with one another, it just seemed one-sided, like regs vs. newbs. Watching the regs complain is giving me the other side of the story, made me think about it, and I guess I'll reevaluate my posting style.

But that seems to be a good idea... explaining to the newer newbs that GB is not a place to blow your wad. So it took me 2 months to figure it out, but I can admit my mistakes. That being said, I'll work on making better posts. I'm sure I've made some people happy by making LESS of them >: :lol:

Secret Agent Vomit

Apr 27th, 2003, 10:00 PM

I think you're right to a degree, skul. Most of the people on here seem to be exagerrated versions of their own personality. Except for a few people, and those are the people that I like. People who aren't trying to sound cool and not trying to be funny all of the time. They're not characters, but actual people talking to people on a message board.

I know I-Mockery is all about funny and stuff, but people on here really try too hard to be funny. L:ike if they aren't funny enough someone will shoot them. It gets kind of old and then it just all turns into shits and giggles, which leads to the forum being the way it is, which is not neccessarilty a bad tthing to some people.

I guess what I'm trying to say is for people to cut the shit and stop trying to be funny, and stop being a character. Let's take Jixby for example, I happen to think that Jixby is a very funny person, but not every single post of his is some sarcastic shit where he tries to be funny and make people laugh. He actually contributes to discussions and comes across as a genuine person. As does Noob3, FS, and even Esuohlim.

Sarcasm is funny, but only in moderation. When everyone on the forum starts acting like fucking Chandler from FRIENDS it stops being funny. >:

Protoclown

Apr 27th, 2003, 10:08 PM

I was away from my computer all weekend, so I just saw this.

I hardly read General Blabber anymore myself, and I typically only bother to read threads started by people I know.

I think FatSatan's idea is pretty good, I'm not sure we have to take any drastic action, perhaps we moderators could simply be a little more viligant with regard to deleting worthless posts or locking stupid threads. But like Jixby and a few others said, there are some threads that I might not like that others do.

So maybe a "Gay-ups" forum isn't a bad idea either, a place where we could simply move all the trash and not be bothered by it unless we want to be.

I'm not sure we would have to go so far as to ban anybody at this point.

CastroMotorOil

Apr 27th, 2003, 10:42 PM

Skulhed and Vomit, that about sums up my feelings as well. I will back up Skulhed in saying that the impression at the start is that it was vets vs newbs. The impression was also that you ahd to be crazy and funny all the time to be popular. I tried it and got shit so i stopped, it just seems like some of these newerbies just do not get the message.

Back on topic, with the limit on starting threads until 100 posts, could that be resarted at any time by a mod, to shut up known repeat offenders?

Zomboid

Apr 28th, 2003, 12:54 AM

About skullhedface and vomit's posts...

I pretty much agree too. One of the things that annoys me the most is when people try too hard to to be cool or funny or whatever. It just comes off as stupid more often than not. Typing in caps and trying to be offbeat is done by way too many people now and it's obvious they're not being themselves. The people who seem to be acting naturally tend to post stuff that's worth reading :/

It's just my opinion and I haven't been here that long, but obviously I'm not the only one sick of the the amount of crap gb's been filled with lately.

Skulhedface

Apr 28th, 2003, 04:45 AM

Well, I'm glad that I'm getting some favorable responses, but yea, stepping back and looking at it as myself and not as the exaggerated character I am on the boards, I guess I'd just be better off being myself.

GB IS getting full of crap, and the way I see it is, I didn't realize I was guilty of posting crap as well until I stepped back and realized that it was only getting crappier. So from this point forward I was just going to drop all semblance of character or trying too hard to be funny.

The biggest problem is that most people off the pike read only the first couple of pages (if that) of GB and figure that's the way things work around here, and start posting complete shit, figuring it's representative of the whole site. Yes, most of us noobs are guilty and are learning, and admittedly it took some of us awhile to catch on, but the newerbies who can't be arsed to look at more than the first page of GB are just going to repeat the cycle of shit.

So I agree, maybe there should be Gay Up forum, because I don't think I'd like to see the mods suddenly act all god-like, it makes them less approachable and in some cases you'd see a LOT more ass-kissing.

I like the board mainly because away from GB, I AM myself and not the character, and I find the mods and admins like RoG and Protoclown approachable and helpful when needed, and if they suddenly started deleting threads or posts it would diminish that.

Maybe all newerbies should be required to read the whole site and not just General Blabber, or maybe for the people that lurk before they join, add a "Members Only" posting rule for GB itself but let all the other forums be openly accessible to anyone. That might encourage more reading of the rest of the boards.

theapportioner

Apr 28th, 2003, 08:14 AM

Newbies don't get a say >:

noob3

Apr 28th, 2003, 08:26 AM

The problem is, Skullhead: You suck either way. "exaggerated character" or not, you're still bland and tasteless. And stupid!

And I hope I de-rail this thread, because it SUCKS!

sspadowsky

Apr 28th, 2003, 10:51 AM

OK, I read the first half of the first page of this topic, so forgive me if I say something that's already been said.

I think this is a fairly simple situation. I'd rather this board only get one post an hour than a flood of bullshit, which, I'm sorry to say, is exactly what it's been the past few months. And Rog and Re are right- I hardly ever come to GB anymore, because it's chock-full of imbeciles.

To make a long story short, if you don't have anything to say, DON'T FUCKING POST ANYTHING. I've been on this board for close to three years now, and this current shite-storm beats all.

I'd like to close by addressing a few of the "problem children." You, in particular, are the malignant tumors on the ass of this board. You are not funny, and you bring nothing to the table here. You would do this board a great service by getting the fuck out and never coming back:

Captain Robo
Captain Crunch
feelevil (worst character ever)
GnrySgtHartman
Wiffles

I'm sure I'm leaving out a few. If you're so god-awful that I can't even remember you for how much you suck, that should clue you in on how worthless you are. Get out.
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Helm

Apr 28th, 2003, 11:06 AM

A total nonsense forum would be a good idea. However, if you need an ignore function to do just that, ignore people, then I can't see how this forum is for you. The posts that are stupid that we choose not to ignore, we make fun of. And that's part of what this forum is about.

However, I agree the general board shouldn't be the newbie sandbox(I don't read it usually, just because of that), so I suppose another way to deal with that would be to make the total nonsense forum the default forum new users should be directed to. You'd be suprised how few morons can find their way around a message board index anyway.

Zomboid

Apr 28th, 2003, 12:25 PM

The problem is, Skullhead: You suck either way. "exaggerated character" or not, you're still bland and tasteless. And stupid!

And I hope I de-rail this thread, because it SUCKS!

Alright, I've never really liked skull and I've gotten annoyed with him a few times, but I've gotta say, you probably annoy me more than most newbs. You accuse anyone who doesn't go into "LOL FUNNY THREADS AND IN JOKES!" mode of being bland when really, you just seem like a character too and don't contribute anything either. Unless, of course, you count threads about being fat, your computer not working, or blackflag. You post something funny every now and then but other than that, you just seem like an obnoxious "veteran" who thinks anyone who doesn't make him laugh doesn't belong here.

I know I'm probably gonna get attacked for that but I don't give a shit. I don't come to gb enough for it to matter.

glowbelly

Apr 28th, 2003, 01:12 PM

i'm just sick of everyone saying that i'm full of crap, that i've gone to shit and that nobody reads me anymore :(

Vibecrewangel

Apr 28th, 2003, 02:15 PM

I like the idea of limiting posts until someone has proven themselves. My only question is would the limit be for the whole board or a limit on each particular forum? Some people are great in other forums like the philo forum but turn into complete dipshits in the GB forum.

I admit I don't read GB at all anymore accept to see any important updates or maybe catch some of the people that don't come into the philo forum too often. The forum used to be full of mockery and was fun to read and take part in. Now it's just full of name calling and dumb "I'm could kick your ass" threats.

It seems that most of the newer people don't understand the difference beetween mocking and name calling or getting bent out of shape. A great example was Jaeger and The Kapn. Kapn may have been annoying and complete tard, but he at least understood mocking and didn't fall into the typical BS we see now. And he was a veritable fountain of things to mock.

I feel for the moderators. I hope you can come up with something 'cause I really do miss what GB used to be. Though I rarely posted I loved to lurk.

theapportioner

Apr 28th, 2003, 03:13 PM

Re: Helm,

It would be up to you to ignore people -- if you want to have the luxury to make fun of worthless posts (and posters), you can have a field day with it. Others would rather not see this shit at all. To re-emphasize, the choice is up to the person visiting the forums.

I second VCA's concern about limiting the number of posts. The problem is not with newbies in general, and the problem is not with the forums in general. It's with -some- newbies (and some vets), in one forum. I think it would be unfair to the newcomers who behave, and not to mention, irritating that a conversation is suspended because of posting limits.

Helm

Apr 28th, 2003, 03:25 PM

Point made.

AChimp

Apr 28th, 2003, 03:45 PM

Noob's posts are a good example of the downhill slide. >:

Mockery

Apr 28th, 2003, 04:09 PM

Agreed, Noob definitely isn't in any position to be pointing fingers when it comes to quality posts.

HickMan

Apr 28th, 2003, 05:24 PM

I don't know if this is possible but if it is I think it might work.
How about you make a forum that is General Blabber but locked to the "Newbies". The newbies can only go into the old General Blabber and make all the crappy forums they want, until they eventually mature and are ready to join the Senior General Blabber. How about after 100 posts they are allowed in? If they still are immature, ban them. (I realize that i have made one really stupid post. That was my first day on the I-mockery forums and I have matured.)

Protoclown

Apr 28th, 2003, 05:28 PM

I think it's very sad that you all can't lay off Glowbelly and give her a chance :(

Mockery

Apr 28th, 2003, 05:30 PM

Who's attacking Glowbelly?

I'm not saying she's the brightest bulb on the board or anything, but she can and has contributed to many a conversation.

Jixby Phillips

Apr 28th, 2003, 05:38 PM

hehehe kewl

Mockery

Apr 28th, 2003, 05:39 PM

and... SCHNAZZY!

Johannas

Apr 28th, 2003, 05:39 PM

All:

I think that all these ideas are good. I remember when i first came tot he boards i though "hmm....i guess this is a bunch of people who fight and junk, ill join in". I had a few fights. But then i realized that this is not that kind of board. I think many people do not realize that this is a community of people who want to talk about stuff. And if you really wanna fight, you should really be using the Mock Wars forum.

I personally have changed my attitude and have been posting less useless shit. I think people like Esuohlim, Capn', and others should try and grow up. And as for characters like Dr Drew and those types who post the same friggin thing all the time, they should just leave the board. I dunno what the word is on me, but i am trying.

DTH
JOHANNAS

Protoclown

Apr 28th, 2003, 05:42 PM

Who's attacking Glowbelly?

I'm not saying she's the brightest bulb on the board or anything, but she can and has contributed to many a conversation.

Everybody is talking about how Glowbelly sucks ever since a bunch of stupid newbs started posting in her :(

Mockery

Apr 28th, 2003, 05:44 PM

But you've been posting in her for a long time too.

And all these years you said you were a virgin.

LIES >:

ziggytrix

Apr 28th, 2003, 06:46 PM

We can call her KB (KarenBelly) to alleviate confusion. I'm pretty sure KB doesn't already stand for anything. :|

Apr 28th, 2003, 06:55 PM

Kasual Blabber. Sorry.

Actually, I'm the only one that uses that name. I'm trying to start a Secret Evil Society of I-Mockery in Classifieds, but so far I've gotten no one to learn the secret code lingo in which we post.

Though most people appreciate the shade of pink I used for our flag.

davinxtk

Apr 28th, 2003, 08:48 PM

Hey, does anyone else remember when these I-Mockery "veterans" used to be able to expel the lower forms of life with their words, rather than bans and counts and the like?

I remember when this board was a grand place. I remember when people couldn't afford to act like idiots, or they'd get their shit shredded by these once sharp-minded excuses for "veteran" "mockers".

If you guys don't like the shit that's going on in General Blabber, RECLAIM YOUR OWN TERRITORY. How can you call yourselves mockers if you don't MOCK the ripe targets in front of you?

Or I could be completely wrong, and banning Robo and Crunch might be a good idea.
Of course, many of you would include me in that mass-banning, i'm sure.

The Retro Kat

Apr 28th, 2003, 09:23 PM

noob3

Apr 28th, 2003, 09:54 PM

Agreed, Noob definitely isn't in any position to be pointing fingers when it comes to quality posts.

ur a butt

Mockery

Apr 28th, 2003, 10:04 PM

I rest my case.

noob3

Apr 28th, 2003, 10:07 PM

I'm Mr. Mockery! Visit our new sponsor, guys! :lol

Jixby Phillips

Apr 28th, 2003, 10:16 PM

I've been thinking about what has gone on since this thread has started. I don't like people who don't have anything to say, but post anyway, but I also don't like people who do nothing but complain about the quality of posts. Just because a thread is started with any kind of point or agenda or something doesn't garuntee it's going to be good. So when a thread is posted that doesn't seem to have a point, it SHOULDN'T automatically be replied to with "This doesn't have a point! Mockery, lock this!"

Without any moderation you have TOO many annoying threads/members, but when there's too much moderating it begins to feel like Nazi Germany. Moderators AND members need to learn to relax. New people are too grabby for acceptance and Moderators are begining to be too grabby for finding imperfections and excuses to lock or delete threads.

Mockery

Apr 28th, 2003, 10:25 PM

I'm Mr. Mockery! Visit our new sponsor, guys! :lol

You already bitched about that to me in private messages a while ago along with a few other things such as "why don't you tell people to reduce their sig sizes! waaaah!" which I always do, get a new line... unless of course you'd like to sponsor the site yourself and pay the bills. Then you can post all the useless garble on the boards you want, Corky. :rolleyes

And Jixby, don't worry about the over-moderating or anything. There's not gonna be some huge ban-fest or anything like that. I'm probably going to add another forum for general nonsense where people who basically want to try and be funny to impress each other can post whatever they want. General Blabber, however, will be reserved for random conversations that actually have some kind of a point. I'm definitely gonna keep an eye on things once the new rules are implemented... but we've got good moderators on here and I'm not worried about any of them going on some crazy power rush.

Well maybe Mew would, but he's always been crazeh like dat. o.O

CaptainBubba

Apr 28th, 2003, 10:31 PM

I think the ban law should be something used very seldom, but necessary if someone is being a complete moron. We often use our mocking skills accumulated over the years to get rid of them, but they are now persistant and extremely stupid. And perhaps a vote should go through a panel of unbiased persons.

I think its funny that so many of the people who are the problem have just hopped into this thread acting like its blessed sunshine come to save them from the bad newbs.

Personally I have no idea what you guys should do. A gayups forum sounds good, but in the long run would just encourage more bad juu-juu. Deleting the post count will make things even worse in the long run because in the mind of many newbs recognition=acceptance, thus without a post count the only other method for them is by constantly seeking attention, hence even more posting. Frequent locks or bannings is the most reasonable long term solution, but it makes me a sad panda. :(