A bunch of people bitching about consoles! How original!

[James]

:rock

Anyway, I'm sure a bunch of this shit might be found on Gamespot or whatever, but I don't care. I can't read Gamespot while on the shitter.

Also in the news:

-The new PS2 Castlevania brings back the majority of the Symphony of the Night team, takes place in the 11th century (making it the first story in the timeline), and the main character wields a sword and whip. And yes, it's in 3D. And no, it won't suck like the N64 game(s).

-Older news, but whatever. Jean Reno will play a character in the next Onimusha game. Even his likeness is used. I figured you guys don't look at magazines and whatnot often.

-The Suffering is about a man convicted of killing his wife and child in post-WW2, Did he do it? You don't know. Anyway, mysterious murders start happening, and you have to find out what's going on. Depending on your actions, the story changes to reflect your model prisoner-like decisions, or cold-blooded killer attitude.

-X-Men: Legends looks promising. It's a real-time RPG where you can choose from a handful of past and present X-Men, and can develop their powers to your liking. Team combos a must.

-SOCOM 2 will feature such things as vehicles, machine gun turrets, and grenade launchers, and two new multiplayer modes. Hopefully, cheating will be handled a lot better.

-Wrestling games this year look fucking awesome. WWE Raw 2 features a 4-player simultaneous story mode, in which you can team up or go against one another. And Rey Rey is in. Steiner is as well... Sorry.
-WWE Wrestlemania XIX looks AWESOME. A more realistic take will be used for fighting (Rey Mysterio must rely on his high-flying moves against the likes of Big Show, because his punches won't do shit), and the story mode is about being reinstated in the WWE. This leads to fighting in various outside locations, and some seriously kickass shit. Also seen is Undertaker about to give a security guard The Last Ride off the edge of a building. And yes, YOU get to do that. It's not a cutscene.

[Ninjavenom]

EGM! :rock

Looks like you got to the NARC and Castlevania news before me. :o

[Mockery]

And yes, it's in 3D. And no, it won't suck like the N64 game(s).

3D? pfft...

Castlevania is meant to be a 2D sidescroller type game. >:

[James]

I know it seems like that, but only because Konami shoves a new SotN Jr down our throats each year, and the N64 games sucked shit (the guy in the interview even begged fans to ignore them, becuase he had nothing to do with them).

But come on. We ALL would love to see Dracula's castle in 3D and done right. You can only be satisfied with the dollhouse version for so long.

[whoreable]

its kinda sad when the only games I really get excited about are remakes or sequels. :(

[ItalianStereotype]

Castlevania is meant to be a 2D sidescroller type game. >:

you would think that they would already know that, especially when the design team commented on the huge backlash from Cv64.

[Grazzt]

I hope they include second stringer X-Men... It would be cool if they had all the X-Teams. I would love to take names as Captain Britain.

[Mockery]

But come on. We ALL would love to see Dracula's castle in 3D and done right. You can only be satisfied with the dollhouse version for so long.

Speak for yourself, I prefer beautifully drawn 2d art to 3d art any day. Always have, always will. Besides, the best I can imagine it being is something along the lines of Devil May Cry, which is a great game (both in play and graphcs) but is nothing compared to a game like Castlevania: SOTN. Stick with the 2D sidescrollers, just because every company and their grandma are using 3D doesn't mean then have to.

[Ninjavenom]

I agree that 2d is better than 3d, and i am still skeptical about the new CV, but it's my diehard fanboy soul at work again. I'll play it, same way i'll watch new Simpsons episodes, just in case.

[Cap'n Crunch]

If the Castlevania doesn't work out in 3-D, which it probably won't again, they still have the Gameboy to fall back on. There is always a home for the 2-D games. I have to say, that the Castlevania on GBA was pretty fun to play, but that is just me.

[James]

There are two pictures in the magazine. And it looks definitely like Castlevania. Not that horse shit you saw in CV64 and the would-be DC game. It's dark, gothic, and shows a lot of promis. Think SotN in 3D.

I have a lot of faith in this game, and no, I don't think it'll end up being a close of Devil May Cry. Just wait and see. Next month's EGM will do a whole story on the game, so you can see for yourself.

[timrpgland]

I don't have much problem with a 3D Castlevania. I'd like them to stick 2D, sure, but that is wishful thinking.

It could work in 3D, just look at the transition Metroid made for Prime. It can be done, just has to be done right.

Castlevania 64 could have been a awesome game too, if they changed a few things.

[Zomboid]

Ok, go fuck yourself jamesman.

"There are two pictures in the magazine. And it looks definitely like Castlevania. Not that horse shit you saw in CV64 and the would-be DC game. It's dark, gothic, and shows a lot of promis. Think SotN in 3D."

Yeah, because in the one for n64, it was all bright and cheery and nothing bad ever happened :boohoo . I'm fucking sick of people bashing it like it was the worst game ever. It had it's flaws but it had a lot of good points. Like tim said, it could've kicked ass if they changed some things. I think the main thing holding it back was the fans of the old ones unwilling to see any changes to their beloved formula that's been used over and over.

Oh yeah, I don't act as if there were 2 n64 ones because there really wasn't. One was just a special edition.

[Grazzt]

N64 was a terrible system anyway, so why split hairs?

[The Unseen]

If cyclops is wearing his cool new suit in X-men legends ill be disappointed. I hate this Pac-sun look hes got going now

[Grazzt]

I hate Cyclops in general.

[Zomboid]

N64 was a terrible system anyway, so why split hairs?

No it wasn't. It was a great system brought down by things like nintendo not allowing many mature games.

[Rongi]

N64 was a terrible system anyway, so why split hairs?

Shut the fuck up you tastless oaf. N64 was a great system with plenty of good games.

[James]

N64 was the worst of the next-gen systems. Sure, it had its moments, But all those moments were Nintendo-made games. Same is basically going for the GC. Nintendo would be better off doing what Sega did, and make their Mario games and shit for the Playstation and X-Box. Interest in making games for Nintendo just isn't there anymore.

Getting back to the point, the N64 CV game(s) had horrible controls and camera. They were just done terribly. Sure, if they changed a few things, the game would have been better, but it wouldn't have been a major success.

But like I said, check out next month's EGM when it comes out. They're doing a whole story on the new CV game, so you might wanna read it.

[Rongi]

Nintendo would be better off doing what Sega did, and make their Mario games and shit for the Playstation and X-Box.

You're kidding...right?

It would look like shit on the playstation, and there are so many reasons why it shouldn't be on the xbox.

[James]

I'm obviously speaking about when the GC runs its course, and the X-Box2 and PS3 are out.

Besides, the graphics that the PS2 can produce aren't as bad as people like to play them up as. But that's beside the point.

The point is, Nintendo game products have not lived up to both consumer and business expectations, and developers are once again shying away from making exclusive titles for Nintendo. Long story short: If Nintendo keeps on the way they are, you're basically buying a Nintendo system to play Nintendo games, and nothing else. They'd be better off cutting out the system part, and making their money as a third-party developer and merchandising.

[timrpgland]

The 64 only sucks to people who haven't played the truly remarkable, yet less popular, games that it has. Seriously. They weren't all Nintendo made either. Too much time bitching and not actually playing. Like usual.

[James]

Well, give some examples, please. I do have a handful of N64 games, but nothing that I'd say would be one of the greatest games of recent times. Perhaps if you named some of these titles, I could tell you if I liked them, didn't like them, or didn't play them.

But I still stand by my opinion that Nintendo systems are seemingly only good for Nintendo products, in a manner of speaking.

[timrpgland]

Sure, I'll name some non Nintendo made games.

I'm sure you already know of the excellent Rare titles. Conker's Bad Fur Day, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Banjo Kazooie, Jet Force Gemini and so on.

To name some non Nintendo titles
-Mischief Makers (top notch)
-Ogre Battle 64 (top notch)
-Harvest Moon 64 (you know that)
-Wrestlemania 2000
-Quake 2 was even a good port
-Mystical Ninja

That's not even mentioning any of the great Nintendo titles. There were even plenty enough of those to keep you satisfied alone. Overall the Nintendo/Rare games really make the system but was that so bad? I mean come on. Those make up some of the best games to date. You really can't put down the N64.

[whoreable]

You really can't put down the N64.

Controllers anyone? I have to wonder what the fuck they were thinking when they made those. I guess they were new and inovative, but they were shitty as hell.

[soundtest]

I agree with Jamesman. Nintendo might release one more system, but if it turns out the same way as the N64 or GC (handful of good games, almost all made by Nintendo), I bet it will be their last console. They can't afford to do that forever... well, with GBA sales they probably could, but sooner or later their shareholders will realize it doesn't make much financial sense.

I don't like Sony or Microsoft, and seeing Nintendo go 3rd party would be a little sad, but it seems pretty inevitable right now.

[timrpgland]

The elite Nintendo-made 64 games
-Mario 64
-Zelda: OoT
-Zelda: MM
-Star Fox 64
-Wave Race 64
-Mario Kart 64
-F-Zero X
-Kirby 64
-Super Smash Brothers
-Paper Mario
-Mario Tennis 64
-1080 Snowboarding

Yoshi's Story and Pilotwings 64 could also be mentioned

To name another non Nintendo title, International Superstar Soccer was a great game.

[timrpgland]

The GC and its games are doing fine. I don't see why people keep acting like it is shitting out or something.

As for the 64 controller, I liked it. The joystick was one of the most responsive ever made. It was a little funky looking but I didn't have any problems with it.

[Mockery]

I absolutely HATED the N64. And yeah, the Gamecube definitely isn't hurting, they've got much better games (including more adult themed ones) than the N64 ever did. Combine that with the Gameboy Advance system (which you'll soon be able to play on your Gamecube) and it's obvious that they're in no real danger at the moment.

[James]

Overall the Nintendo/Rare games really make the system but was that so bad?

Well, yes. In the end, you're basically buying a system just for games made by the same company. Would you rather buy a PS2 or X-Box, AND a Gamecube, or just a PS2 or X-Box?

The bottom line is the number of quality exclusive titles not made by Nintendo are too scarce to really justify buying a Nintendo system for anything other than their trademark characters (if that). And it just doesn't seem like many people would be stupid enough to buy another Nintendo system just for a new Mario game every year, know what I mean? It'd be a better business decision to go third party.

As for the GC doing poorly: In 2002, the PS2 sold almost 4 times as many Gamecubes. Just a statement. I know I had some better figures somewhere, but I can't find them. But they basically stated that the PS2 sold more consoles in just 2-3 months than Nintendo sold of GC the whole year.

"the Gameboy Advance system (which you'll soon be able to play on your Gamecube)"

That's another thing that bothers me. If Nintendo ran the world, you'd have to buy 2 systems, 3 add-ons, and a new peripheral or two just to take a shit. "Forcing" people to pucshase so many additional products just to play one game isn't the best way to do business. As for the GBA. If I wanna play SNES games, I have an SNES, most of the games, and a emulator. No need to spend another $100 for a GBA I can see, and then an additional $40 per game that I already own. And don't get me started on the eReader, eCards, and game link adapter.

And I'll save you the trouble, Rog: :boohoo

But that's a story for another time. Let's get back on track here.

New NARC game. Let's dance. :party

[timrpgland]

But that is the PS2..... can't say much else.. The GC, by standards, is doing fine. Nintendo isn't hurting.

I like the franchise games. At least Nintendo has them. It's about quality, not quantity. I'd rather play some of the best games I have ever played than play a bunch of good games.

The 64 produced enough excellent games that I was very happy with the system. Sure, some games pissed me off and certain games never saw the light of day over here. I own around 20 64 games and at least 3/4 of them are right up there and a few would be on my Top 10 all time list. I didn't really need anymore. The run wasn't that long but even if it wasn't successful for Nintendo, I got alot of good gaming out of it. I expect the GC to do the same thing except it is off to a quicker start.

The GC isn't doing too bad on exclusive non Nintendo titles so far. Eternal Darkness, Resident Evil games, and Star Fox Adventures. Hell, even Retro Studios made Metroid Prime. It is also getting a exclusive Harvest Moon which is looking to be the best one to date.

My 64 was just being played yesterday and will be again today. I started a new continue on Ogre Battle 64 (almost done with chapter 2).. too good.

I don't only own Nintendo consoles, mind you (check the console thread). That would be insane with the amount of games I play, I'm just defending a good product.

[James]

The bottom line is the GCs aren't selling up to expectations, and Nintendo has admitted to losing third-party support once again. In fact, one example is Resident Evil. RE4 will be the last GC-exlusive title, and will later be ported to other systems.

"I'd rather play some of the best games I have ever played than play a bunch of good games."

See, that's just it though. I feel the same way, except I don't feel Nintendo's games live up to being called "the best I've ever played." And more to the point, I don't see spending another $200-$450 on Nintendo products just to play a Zelda game to the "full extent," or to play a Zelda game at all. I could justify spending $50 on the game, but only if it was for the PS2 or X-Box, where I know I'd find plenty of other games I'd consider "the best."

Anyway, NARC. I wanna find out more.

[whoreable]

I have to wonder why people bitch about these console wars and shit personaly I think the price of a new console is a small price to pay compared to the 50 dollars per game most people spend. Hell most consoles these days even come with a game.

I really dont understand Jamesmans complaints about so much nintendo hardware. That shit is optional you dont NEED it to enjoy the games, it just adds more features. Frankly I miss the sega genisis and its wacky add-ons. I wish more systems would do it (although it is destined to fail).

The n64 was a decent system with a horrible controller. It didnt have nearly as many great games as the playstation but it probaly had enough to make it worth owning.

[timrpgland]

hehe, yeah, this discussion keeps getting more and more familiar.

New Narc, I hope it will kick ass. Took them long enough.

[Grazzt]

I'd rather play an Intellivision than an N64.

[timrpgland]

yeah yeah, trendy Nintendo bashing. It all goes back to what I have said before. Bitching before actually knowing what your bitching about.. Play, then you can bitch.

[Grazzt]

I used to go to my friend's house all the time. He had an N64. I played it. It sucked.

[timrpgland]

What games?

[Ninjavenom]

I liked everything about n64, even the controller, and i loved a lot of the games on the system.

Chameleon Twist,
Mario 64,
Shadows of the Empire,
Perfect Dark,
Goldeneye,
Duke Nukem: Zero Hour,
Turok,
Turok 2,
Ocarina of Time
Bomberman Hero,
WCW Revenge,
Mario Party,
Super Smash Bros,
Mario Kart 64,
War Gods,
Hexen,
MK4,
Diddy Kong Racing,
and even Pokemon Snap. (Fuck you, it was a good idea).

I had a lotta fun with that system, despite the fact i only owned something like ten n64 games up until i sold it last year. Yay for rentals. :)

[Mockery]

As for the GBA. If I wanna play SNES games, I have an SNES, most of the games, and a emulator. No need to spend another $100 for a GBA I can see, and then an additional $40 per game that I already own.

That's just ignorant. Yes there are some re-releases of old SNES games, but there are a TON of games on the GBA that aren't on any other system that absolutely rule. Out of all systems on the market today, the GBA has more games that interest me by a longshot. Just because the graphics are from SNES times, doesn't mean they're SNES games. Get your facts straight.

:boohoo

yeah yeah, trendy Nintendo bashing. It all goes back to what I have said before. Bitching before actually knowing what your bitching about.. Play, then you can bitch.

Exactly.

[Zomboid]

Hey, the n64 did kick ass. The games tim mentioned and more alone made it worth getting. Mario 64 was one of the best gaming experiences I've ever had. As for the controller gripe, I don't see what the problem is. I loved using it. The only thing I didn't like were the C buttons for fighting games. The joystick was very responsive though. I think overall I prefer it to the ps/ps2 controller.

As for nintendo and it's "failing"....I kinda have to agree with jamesman on some stuff here. I was thinking about getting a gcn soon but when I think about the games I'll be getting, most of em are "if they get made" or "when it's released" types and I really have trouble shelling out a couple hundred bucks for that...But I'm too much of a nintendo fan boy not to :(

Btw, perfect dark and conker's bad fur day kick ass >:

[Rongi]

Jamesman, you won't buy a GBA because of SNES ports? Did you even know that the GBA is portable >:?

[Grazzt]

Yeah, it did have a lot of good games, but in general it sucked. Just look at Quest 64. Pound for pound, game for game, I'd rather have purchased a Playstation in that era.

[James]

No, I have a GBA. I won't buy any games because none interest me, and I can't see them, and I'm not going to spend another $100 because Nintendo fucked up. And as for it being portable, I don't know about you guys, but I don't need to play videos games every second of the day. I can go take a shit or a trip to Grandma's without needing to play Yoshi's Island.

So yeah, the NARC game, Not much is known about it, but the magazine said that it'll remind you more of GTA and State of Emergency than the original. So I take that to mean mission-based, free-roaming around a city, and taking on large groups of enemies.

[Rongi]

And needles :)

[Mockery]

No, I have a GBA. I won't buy any games because none interest me

That's your own problem, not ours. There's more interesting games on the GBA than the GC, PS2, and X-Box combined if you ask me.

and I can't see them, and I'm not going to spend another $100 because Nintendo fucked up.

Actually, you fucked up cuz you bought one. I waited a long time because I knew the price would go down, and then I heard they were working on a new one with a light, and I waited and then I heard they have one that you can play in your GameCube. Now THAT is the one to get. I don't need the portable stuff because I don't travel (but it would be great for people who do travel a lot). But being able to play all of those badass Gameboy Advance games (along with all the other gameboy games of the past) on the big TV is gonna be sweet.

[whoreable]

I agree the gba interests me the most too. I got a gba sp and once I get my flash cart I can play games at work.

It is pretty badass too cause u can run a nes emulator on the gba too.

[Cap'n Crunch]

I'm obviously speaking about when the GC runs its course, and the X-Box2 and PS3 are out.

Besides, the graphics that the PS2 can produce aren't as bad as people like to play them up as. But that's beside the point.

The point is, Nintendo game products have not lived up to both consumer and business expectations, and developers are once again shying away from making exclusive titles for Nintendo. Long story short: If Nintendo keeps on the way they are, you're basically buying a Nintendo system to play Nintendo games, and nothing else. They'd be better off cutting out the system part, and making their money as a third-party developer and merchandising.

I get a subscription to GameInformer magazine, and they mentioned that Nintendo has a new system lined up to hit the market at least one year before the other graphics do. I think Gamecube is a great system, and the titles they have out now are pretty cool, but that Zelda that they scrapped, from the screenshots, would have been fucking great.

As for the Nintendo games on X-Box and PS2, I don't think it would work. The point is that PS2 does have pretty bad graphics. Dreamcast came out I think 2 years before it, and still has better graphics. I look for a system with great games, and Nintendo always suits me. Besides, most of Sega's games are terrible, I think that is why it didn't launch in the market like PS2 did.

I have no intention of buying PS3. The Playstation name will be all washed up by then, and it still won't even have the graphics of most of the systems out today.

[James]

And people say I'm ignorant. :|

"That's your own problem, not ours. There's more interesting games on the GBA than the GC, PS2, and X-Box combined if you ask me."

Matter of opinion. And I never said it was your problem that none of the games appeal to me. I mean, sure there are a few, but I just don't see the point in buying them.

"Actually, you fucked up cuz you bought one. I waited a long time because I knew the price would go down, and then I heard they were working on a new one with a light, and I waited and then I heard they have one that you can play in your GameCube."

I got my GBA because it was a deal in Nintendo Power to get it for about $15 cheaper. And I figured I'd find games I'd like. I was wrong.

More importantly, I would have been completely happy buying a GBA SP if it came out 4 years later, not less than two. Nintendo knew they fucked up, because everyone was complaining. And I knew I fucked up for having faith in Nintendo. But I'm still working on a letter to them about this matter, because I do feel that this whole thing is wrong, and I'm not satisfied with the situation.

"As for the Nintendo games on X-Box and PS2, I don't think it would work. The point is that PS2 does have pretty bad graphics."

Didn't I say I was talking about X-Box2 and PS3? Fucking read. As for the PS2 having bad graphics... matter of opinion. There are certain things only the PS2's graphics engine can do that not even the X-Box can do. And personally, I see nothing overly inferior in the graphics when compared to GC and XB.

Besides, you're going to tell me that the PS2 couldn't handle the graphics of games like Mario Sunshine and Zelda? Please.

"I have no intention of buying PS3. The Playstation name will be all washed up by then, and it still won't even have the graphics of most of the systems out today."

:rolleyes Quite the informed opintion there. Besides, with a processor as powerful as the PS3's is supposed to be (100 times faster than a Pentium 4), I don't see why the graphics would be oh-so horrid.

[Skulhedface]

My take on the situation:

Having grown up with Nintendo (not getting a Genesis or any other system until I got older and played the ROMS) I do have a lot of faith in Nintendo's games, but my faith in the company itself is starting to ooze a feeling of disappointment.

While I know like RoG, I find a lot more enjoyment out of a GBA than I do out of a PS2 and XBox, I also find myself startled at Nintendo's aggressive "You sucker!" sales tactics. Nintendo prides itself on it's reputation (to a point, deservedly so) so badly that it prices third parties right out of the market into the open arms of Microsoft and Sony. Not only that, but it seemed like an insult to me as a consumer to be forced to shell out quite a bit more money just to see a LITTLE more, mind you, of a game they've released, and for us that are not "finished" with a game until we've done 100% of what we could with it, I find that downright loathesome.

A perfect example is Metroid Prime. Granted, getting the original NES version of Metroid and a new costume isn't that big a deal, but I like finishing every last bit of a game before I declare it beaten, and to have to buy a whole new system and a whole new game just to get the original version and a damn costume is a bit ridiculous. I love Metroid Prime, I love Metroid Fusion, I don't like having to pay out of the ass to see everything there is to see in both games.

So as a game player, I'm mildly disappointed, as a consumer and a loyal supporter of Nintendo, I'm disenchanted.

As far as Sony goes... why is everyone bitching about the graphics? "Sony's graphics are nowhere NEAR GCN and XBox caliber!" If graphics is SOLELY what you base your opinion on, then my friend you're missing out on a LOT of good games. To this day, by today's standards, Super Mario Bros. has absolutely fucking HORRIBLE graphics and I'd rather play that than shit like BMX XXX, which not even the promise of nudity can help that this is a SHITTY GAME.

I liked my N64, though as someone who doesn't play sports games (except wrestling) I found a few less titles I liked as you guys, but I can't look back and say "This was a shitty system". For my dollar, and for the enjoyment I got out of it, I consider the 64 a success. Not an over the top success, but a success nonetheless.

Realistically, if too many more people feel like I do though, it's very possible Nintendo will go the way of Sega. Mario and Pikachu aren't going to bail their asses out forever.

[soundtest]

There are certain things only the PS2's graphics engine can do that not even the X-Box can do. And personally, I see nothing overly inferior in the graphics when compared to GC and XB.


PS2 graphics are blatantly inferior. Not that graphics mean anything... but let's not be silly here. :rolleyes

However, if you can show me a pic of anything on PS2 that looks better than the graphically impressive GC and XBox titles, or could not be pulled off by GC or XBox, I'd love to see it.

[James]

Graphically speaking, the GC and X-Box are naturally going to look better. But the PS2's Emotion Engine can produce smoke and water effects that can't be replicated on either opposing system. That's all I was saying.

[FS]

Hmm... I think that might be bullshit from Sony's PR. I'm far from up to date with the hardware of the latest consoles, but I think that it's pretty much all about the software of the games when it comes to special effects.

I enjoyed the N64. I'm very careful about what games I buy since, to me, a videogame is not a cheap purchase. Most of the games lasted me very long, so I wasn't bothered by the lesser amount of games compared to other systems. Besides, Playstation had a load of shitty titles that you might've gotten suckered into... N64 had them to of course, but I believe the ratio of decent games was higher. The controller was absurdly large and weirdly shaped, but I got used to it. Definitely not optimal, though. Then again, I once rented a Playstation for a week, and the screwholes on the underside wore my fingers red and raw.

[ItalianStereotype]

okay, fuck anybody bashing nintendo. you bitch in this thread, but i will bet that when you get off you go play mario 64 or wind waker. cunts.

i loved the n64, the leap from the SNES to the 64 was just fucking incredible and it was a hell of a lot more fun than the PSX was in its early life.

Sony jumped the gun a bit with the PS2 release, it was the same thing that had happened to the Dreamcast. other companies waited longer and were able to release a more powerful system.

[timrpgland]

I can't believe that most of the Nintendo bitching is about the additional hardware and optional stuff it offers. Fuck, it is obviously selling so someone is buying it. That doesn't mean you have to. It doesn't hurt the quality of the games or systems. It just adds to it.... if you want to that is. They aren't force feeding you.

I bought my GBA when it came out and I don't care about the SP. I'll buy it when my other one has no use to me. I'm at least happy that they decided to fix some of the problems with the original design and make a badass new one.

[Rongi]

The only way I'd ever buy a GBA SP is if they had some deal that when you trade in a GBA you get a GBA SP for free.

[whoreable]

Sony jumped the gun a bit with the PS2 release, it was the same thing that had happened to the Dreamcast. other companies waited longer and were able to release a more powerful system.

Actually I disagree. The dreamcast had nothing even close to it its entire life....in alot of ways the dreamcast is more powerful than the ps2 even.

[Skulhedface]

I can't believe that most of the Nintendo bitching is about the additional hardware and optional stuff it offers.

That's part of what I was saying. If you are a completionist, if you feel that you must find EVERYTHING and see EVERY ending, unlock EVERY secret in the game before you consider it beaten, you are either forced to shell out at least $50 for a new costume and an original NEW version (which isn't much, but as a completionist it aggravates me to no end) or have an unfinished game, and that actually means something. To me, at least.

[whoreable]

Yea but I sure being that anal retentive leads to bigger problems in life than this.

[soundtest]

:lol

[timrpgland]

It doesn't result in a unfinished game at all, it just adds to it and so far nothing really too special has happened. Zelda you get to have tingle on your gba... whoopity fuck.

In Metroid, having those extras is just a nice little gesture for the people who bought both games. I have no problem with it and it doesn't add to your percentage or anything.

It makes me laugh that your actually aggravated that if you want to you can have extras.

I don't see why you wouldn't have bought Metroid Fusion if you like metroid anyway. It's a great game.

Mr. Completionist... (aka: guide user) :rolleyes

[Cap'n Crunch]

I personally like anything Nintendo has made up so far. They have been a smash hit, but Gamecube is having some problems. I liked all of Nintendo's systems so far, and I have all of them hooked up, except Virtual Boy, which I never even played.

Jamesman, why buy a PS2 when the only difference is water and heat waving technology? Sure, it has good games, but FS is right, and it goes for PS2. I admit there are some good games on it, but most of the games are pretty bad. (I know this because my brother has a PS2.) You can rarely find a decent game that is not commercialized (i.e. magazines, t.v. ect.)

I'm not saying that PS2 is a bad system, just not to my liking. Everyone has their own opinion, and I am not against anyone on the system debate. I like what I like, and I hate what I hate.

[soundtest]

:bestthread

[Grazzt]

PC = Best

[timrpgland]

:bestthread ;)

[Rongi]

Skulhedface, I used to think you where a moron, and now, it is confirmed that you are indeed, a complete and utter idiot :).

[James]

Bottom line:

-Next to no GC or GBA games appeal to me.
-I think all the addons for the GBA and GC are pointless pieces of crap, and a cheap way to try and squeeze some extra cash out of consumers.
-If Nintendo doesn't give me a GBA SP in exchange for my original, I'll never buy a Nintendo product again.
-I'm very happy with my PS2, and the games for it, which is more than I can say for the other systems.
-That's really all that matters.

[Mockery]

translation:

Bottom line:

:wah

[whoreable]

Dont you think that was a bit insensitive Mockery?

[Rongi]

The only thing about trading in an old GBA for a GBA SP is that nintendo would probably lose some big money on the deal, so I don't think it's going to happen

[James]

Dont you think that was a bit insensitive Mockery?

Nah, it's alright. I don't mind if Rog needs to reflect his own emotional problems onto me to make it seem like he's NOT the one throwing a hissy-fit. ;)

[Mockery]

-If Nintendo doesn't give me a GBA SP in exchange for my original, I'll never buy a Nintendo product again.

:hissyfit

You know, if Nintendo doesn't give me a GBA SP in exchange for my original Gameboy, I'll never buy a Nintendo product again.

[whoreable]

I swear to god if sony doesnt give me the small psone in exchange for my playstation I am gonna murder some bitches >:

[James]

You know, if Nintendo doesn't give me a GBA SP in exchange for my original Gameboy, I'll never buy a Nintendo product again.

See, I know this is supposed to be a joke. But that funny part is nowhere to be found. ;)

If that's what you wanna do, fine. But I still insist on writing a letter to Nintendo regarding my distaste for their practices. And if they want me to remain a consumer, I expect them to show SOME concern for the fact that I am no satisfied.

[Zomboid]

And I'm sure they'll straighten up and fly right after reading your dissapproving letter! >:

[James]

They'll at least try to satisfy a consumer, especially one who has given them so much business for well over 10 years.

I'm not saying they'll be, "You're right! From now on, we'll get rid of all these add-ons, and just go back to making games you can play in full without them!." But if they're at least halfway decent, and they value their customers (as any business should, if they want to stay IN business), they'll do something.

People these days fail to realize how much power there is in voicing your opinion. Instead, you guys just sit on your ass, and take whatever someone like Nintendo shoves up your ass.

Maybe if YOU write a letter, you'll get something in return too.

[timrpgland]

I'd just like to know what kind of games you actually do like, Jamesman? If almost no GC or GBA games appeal to you, that isn't saying you have very good taste in games. Maybe you don't look for the good ones or make up your mind that they suck ahead of time. Not a good way to really evaluate the situation.

[James]

So just because I don't like GC or GBA games, I have bad taste? That just screams "fanboy." :rolleyes

To say it again: There are some games that I'm sure I would enjoy. But there's not enough for the GC that would justify me buying one. And until I end up with a GBA SP, I'm not interested in any GBA games no matter how awesome they may be. I can't see my GBA, and I don't want to spend another $100 on a new GBA so soon.

[Mockery]

So just because I don't like GC or GBA games, I have bad taste? That just screams "fanboy." :rolleyes

And your writing a letter to Nintendo just screams "I'm Cheap. Give me a freebie." :rolleyes

[timrpgland]

Jamesman, I'm just saying that if you play Zelda: The Wind Waker, Metroid Prime, or Eternal Darkness and didn't think they were the shit, then there is something wrong with your taste. It's good gaming, not Nintendo "fanboyism." If you judge games and consoles before playing, then your opinion is simply useless.

The GBA has a bunch of games (I mean a bunch) to offer and loads of great titles so if you can't find games you like there, that's sad. I can see my GBA just fine.

[Mockery]

If you judge games and consoles before playing, then your opinion is simply useless.

But he doesn't do that... the Gameboy Advance is strictly for SNES re-releases, remember? Fuck that portable little electro-turd, who needs it >:

[James]

And your writing a letter to Nintendo just screams "I'm Cheap. Give me a freebie." :rolleyes

Tell you what. If you go out and buy a GBA and GBA SP right now, then what you say will mean something, k?

Tim, please read what I wrote. And if you can see your GBA fine, good for you. But my room doesn't have lighting equal to daylight. And I really don't want to go sit on my porch to play Super Mario World.

[timrpgland]

Tim, please read what I wrote

Did you say something important that I missed? I read what you wrote.

Sure the GBA can be a pain in the ass to see in certain situations but if you have a lamp you should be able to see it fine as long as you angle it so the glare doesn't kill you. I have it nice at work since the lighting here is excellent but at home I just use a lamp.

If that is your big complaint, then yippy..... Uber-Whiner

[Mockery]

Tell you what. If you go out and buy a GBA and GBA SP right now, then what you say will mean something, k?.

I would, but right now all my time is currently tied up with writing a complaint to the people at Lucky Charms for recently adding a wider variety of Marshmallows to their cereal then when I used to buy it. Greedy bastards just fucked up and now they want more of my money!

Boy oh boy, I'm gonna get those evil people! >:

[whoreable]

Haha.

If the gba lighting is really a big deal to you get a light for it. But that obivously isnt the problem. You just hate nintendo pure and simple. Personally I hate them all equally, they are all trying to fuck the consumer. If you think sony or microsoft are any better than nintendo you are a fool.

[James]

It's obvious I'm not going to get either of you to understand. But I'll try one more time, and then we can move on.

The situation with the GBA/GBA SP bothers me because I feel I was mistreated as a loyal customer of Nintendo's. I bought the GBA around the time of it's release. And the fact that they're releasing a new system so soon that improves on a problem that should never have existed in the first place displeases me. If you want to consider that a hissyfit, then so be it. But it's my right as a consumer to decide what I like and don't like. It is my right to have a hissyfit. I paid $70 for a GBA, and I can't justify playing and addition $100 for what I feel is their mistake, and not mine.

As for lighting. My room has those bulbs that are supposed to last for like 20 years. That also means they're not as bright as normal ones. Maybe that attributes to the glare. Then again, maybe it's the fact that I own Super Mario Advance and Circle of the Moon (which is well-known to be hard as fuck to see). I'm sure other games have been made with this in mind. In fact, I know it has. But still, there are next to no games on the GBA I would want. And when it comes to spending $40, I'd rather buy something else than a GBA game that I may or may not be interested in.

On top of that, I don't have a job at the moment. I don't HAVE $100 to spend.

Tim. I said that I am sure there are game I'd like for GC. I'd very much be interested on Metroid, Zelda, and others. But there's not enough games for me to justify buying the system. That doesn't mean I don't like the titles before I even played them. That doesn't mean I have bad taste. It means I don't want to spend $200 on a system just for a number of games I can count on one hand.

End of story.

[whoreable]

gamecube costs 150 and comes with games.

And honesty I dont even think nintendo knew how to light the screen like they did on th sp. The sp basically copies the afterburner kit which came out ealier. I think they would have used this method before had they knew how to use it. They could have done a lit version like the game gear...but those screens use a lot more power.

[soundtest]

The GBA's lighting does suck. It's not as bad with newer games, but as the SP becomes standard, I wouldn't be surprised if future titles aren't designed with the original GBA's inferiority in mind.

I'm a little bitter that they released the SP and aren't offering some sort of trade-in option, but the real reason I think the whole thing is so shady is their timing: Nintendo announced the GBA SP the first week of January or something. I'd be a lot more pissed if I was one of those people who bought/received the GBA for Christmas and then found out a week later that the model that should've been released in the first place would be out shortly, and Nintendo kept hush hush about it just to milk the holiday season.

But all in all I don't think Nintendo's business practices are fucking the consumer up the ass more than any other corporation.

[MrAdventure]

I've only had two issues with my GBA:

1. The screen has absolutely no scratch resistance.

2. Speaker placement.

Fuck it, however, as I'm enough of a homebody to warrant picking up the GBA-GC Player when it hits.

As for the major console wars, I lost interest when SEGA gave up. Reminds me of that commercial comparing game libraries between the SNES and the Genesis, with the brick walls at the end. :( The war had class back then, now it's whack, yo.

[Cap'n Crunch]

I'm a little bitter that they released the SP and aren't offering some sort of trade-in option,

They did release a trade-in option. It was at Gamestop when the SP first came out. You traded in your GBA and you paid 40 bucks. I think there was a free game they gave you. So, if you would have caught it earlier, you could have traded it in. I am waiting for the GBA to GC attachment, because I am not really an on the go person.