Guess what Modular's NOT doing next Saturday?

[Miss Modular]

That's right kids!

I'm going to the UN to show Dubya he ain't foolin' me!

:party :rock

[ItalianStereotype]

:| yes, hes not fooling you. he is really out to get you. go show him mod!

[Zero Signal]

I hope he is tried for war crimes after he finishes with Iraq.

"Building the American Empire. One country at a time."(tm)

[ItalianStereotype]

:|

[GAsux]

"I'm going to the UN to show Dubya he ain't foolin' me!"

Maybe you should show him your boobies instead. Then at least you'd probably make the news and have something worthwhile to show for your efforts.

[ranxer]

go go go!
Grats and more power to ya..
ive formed a peace coalition in my town to protest war every week.. i wish i could be a whistle blower but im just a person breaking the spiral of silence and refusing to obey bush's imperialism! i do a bunch of other stuff but its more about chipping away at mind control than grabbing the headlines in the paper. :/

rock on mod ;)

[El Blanco]

Woohoo! Organized whining! And do me a few favors, block traffic and antagonize the NYPD.

And what does blocking traffic in NYC accomplish? The President lives about half a day south. If you want to show some initiative (or some forsight) you might want to try there.

[ItalianStereotype]

go go go!
Grats and more power to ya..
ive formed a peace coalition in my town to protest war every week.. i wish i could be a whistle blower but im just a person breaking the spiral of silence and refusing to obey bush's imperialism! i do a bunch of other stuff but its more about chipping away at mind control than grabbing the headlines in the paper. :/

rock on mod ;)

HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE

if you were like mod or anybody else, i wouldnt desire so deeply to simply exterminate you. i bet you would sicken most liberals.

[Carnivore]

Mod :rock

Bush supporters :fu

[ItalianStereotype]

:puke people who blindly hate bush because of hearsay or because they just think its cool to hate the government

[Carnivore]

I take no offense to that because it doesn't apply to me :|

[ItalianStereotype]

i was actually referring to ranxer

[ranxer]

:lol

i just love the division that happens at a peace rally in my town..
the Peace supporters stand on one side of the street and the War suppors stand on the other..

i hope to get a chant going back and forth next time..
"peace" we shout..
"war" they shout

maybe we could move to a better one sometime like

"no war" we shout..
"keel em all!" they shout

oh and the drive by obsenities are funny too.. ill keep my camera rolling hoping to catch the rush limbaugh cheerleaders showing us thier level of education. :lol

[Evil Robot]

When the war is over, I am going to buy the biggest suburban the market has to offer, remove ALL the emmision reducing crap, turbocharge the fuck out of it, and then inject raw unburned fuel into the exhaust to ensure that a blinding cancerous death cloud follows me.
Then I will put a big sticker across the windsheild that says "Presidential Edition".

[BombsBurstingInAir]

What a moron.

[mburbank]

GOOD ONE! Hey, don't bother to say who you're calling a moron in a multi person thread. That way you've got all your bases covered.

[BombsBurstingInAir]

Go bother someone else.

[Miss Modular]

Why? It's not like your posts have substance.

[BombsBurstingInAir]

Needing some attention honey? Having a hard time getting a boyfriend? You'll be OK. Just :)

[Protoclown]

Silence, spouter of rhetoric.

[BombsBurstingInAir]

Why don't you go back to the user pic you had before the one you have now? I remember when you first changed your pic I was like, "I wish proto would change his pic back to the other one." Then when you switched back, It was neat. I want to feel that way again.

[mburbank]

Oh. Somebody old an annoying came back with a new name. Oh. Oh, It's a mystery. How exciting. Who could it be. Wow. They sure do know how to make a re-entrance. Is it that xxx guy. Is it some current poster playing a character. wow. what rush. What a mysterious guy. If this doesn't seperate his xeroxed opinion from everyone else surely his rapier whit will. I'm sure we already take him more seriously this time than last time. This air of mystery sure does make him less of numb tit.

[BombsBurstingInAir]

Damn dude what is your deal. Calm down. All I did was make a remark about his old user pic and you freak out.

[mburbank]

Well at least you said 'dude'. Now I'm pretty sure you're okay.

[BombsBurstingInAir]

OK. I like you now. :)

[mburbank]

and your totally down with sarcasm. thats a great thing for a mysterious little creep to be.

[Miss Modular]

Needing some attention honey? Having a hard time getting a boyfriend? You'll be OK. Just :)

I bet you're KHAKHA!!!

[Anonymous]

My money's on Secret.

[ranxer]

hey Italian..
maybe i shoulda asked you to play some word association..

when i say 'Peace'.. you say what? .. war?

when i say 'Love'.. you say what? .. hate?

why do you think of hatred when you hear about peace supporters? i really dont get it.. why do you say i hate??

i dont hate bush..i think he's a lieing crook that is not intelligent enough to know what he's lieing about, but i save hatred for things that matter more to me.

actually hatred isnt very usefull.. i've pretty much gotten rid of it.. maybe if i stumble onto an attempted murder or rape ya might see some hatred come out at the perpetrator but thats about all i can think of where any hate from me belongs.

[ItalianStereotype]

i dont hate peace supporters, i hate YOU.

you come here acting like you are a south american rebel waging guerilla war on the government....but you arent, you are a zealot posting on a message board. just get over yourself and present your ideas in a rational manner...but that might be asking too much of you.

[ranxer]

oh ok, nevermind then.. um, i wont try to hold you to that standard though.

[The_Rorschach]

That's right kids!

I'm going to the UN to show Dubya he ain't foolin' me!

Want a cookie?

All that beside, someone obviously is fooling you. A war with Iraq carries consequences more vast than you have obviously taken into consideration. The Middle East has been a turbulant region of untenable turmoil for the last hundred years, not merely for its residents, but for the entire world.

What Bush seeks to do is partyl related to oil, yes, but whether he knows it or not, he will also be building a western friendly government - much like the king of Afghanistan - Who, hopefully, will introduce western influences such as wide-scale religous approbation, democratic recognition of the rights of all men (by which I mean humankind) as well as the beginnings of peace and prosperity. Truman was able to do it with Korea, and while he was a better man than Bush could ever be, I hope that in the future one of our elected officials can fulfill the implications which Bush is pushing for.

[Miss Modular]

All that beside, someone obviously is fooling you. A war with Iraq carries consequences more vast than you have obviously taken into consideration.

It's not that. I know perfectly well the damages such a war entails, which is why I want it stopped. I don't any condescending to be told what the consequences are. I am well aware of everything you just said. I'm not stupid. >:

[The_Rorschach]

I never assumed you were, however even the most intellegent can be short sighted. Tell me, what do you foresee for the future of the Middle East assuming the United States respects the sovereignty of Iraq and decides to desist in its attempts to alter its political course?

I dislike any action which interferes with a nation governing itself. The only people with the right to overthrow such a state are its own civilians. . .However, I also see needless suffering, pointless wars, and abounding ignorance which needs to be addressed as well and am at a loss for any other way to cure the patient save through his own death.

[Miss Modular]

I never assumed you were, however even the most intellegent can be short sighted. Tell me, what do you foresee for the future of the Middle East assuming the United States respects the sovereignty of Iraq and decides to desist in its attempts to alter its political course?


I see Saddam falling on his own. Most dictators eventually get their due (Stalin, Amin, Mussolini et al), and if history serves us correct, so will Saddam. It's not the most complex answer, I know, but that's what I speculate.

[mburbank]

Rorshach;

Jump back and unbunch your panties. You know what happens when you assume, and your assumptions about miss mod based solely on a single jaunty statement are unwarranted.

Morevoever just as Bush ain't no Truman (and that's damning with faint praise) Afghanistan ain't no Korea. Karzai's chances of surviving daily are slim enough. Much as I might like to see it, the idea of Karzai leading a western style democracy is pie in the sky. With our full support, they can't batten down the hatches in Kahbul, let alone the rest of the country. Even in South Korea, which is your best case scenario, we've maintained a heavy military presence all this time, we've never really left, and even so, we're coming dangerouysly close to square one there.

Plus, I don't think Western style Democracy is our goal at all. Democracy's have an ugly habbit of not doing as they are told. Look at old enemies France and Germany finding coming ground in standing against the US.

[The_Rorschach]

Mod: I see Saddam falling on his own. Most dictators eventually get their due (Stalin, Amin, Mussolini et al), and if history serves us correct, so will Saddam. It's not the most complex answer, I know, but that's what I speculate.

1991 illustrated exactly what support Saddam had within his own nation, the people have no power there. The United States did not take him out at the time for fear of someone even worse replacing him, the devil you know over the devil you don't. Perhaps I'm simply overbearingly arrogant, but I am afraid that Saddam with reign until outside mitigating factors remove him

Burbie: Jump back and unbunch your panties. You know what happens when you assume, and your assumptions about miss mod based solely on a single jaunty statement are unwarranted.

Then she has my apologies.

Morevoever just as Bush ain't no Truman (and that's damning with faint praise) Afghanistan ain't no Korea. Karzai's chances of surviving daily are slim enough.

Much agreed, but everyday he wakes to find himself alive and whole, he knows the reason why - And that reason will haunt his every action, thought and deed.

Much as I might like to see it, the idea of Karzai leading a western style democracy is pie in the sky.

Karzai? No, he will never see it. Doubtless, neither will his predecessors, and that can be hoped is that they will walk the path towards it, and one distant day they may even arrive. We are not acting for our present, but for our children's future.

Even in South Korea, which is your best case scenario, we've maintained a heavy military presence all this time, we've never really left, and even so, we're coming dangerouysly close to square one there.

Quite the contrary, I believe our current standing with N Korea is mostly illusionary. The military flexing Jung is performing is largely a bargaining tactic. His country is malnourished, lacking in vital natural resources and economically floundering, while to south is the most fiscally vibrant country in Asia. So Korea has made the most of their oppourtunities and now the North is envious. I believe that in the end, a peace might even be brokered between the two resulting in opened borders for trade.

Plus, I don't think Western style Democracy is our goal at all. Democracy's have an ugly habbit of not doing as they are told. Look at old enemies France and Germany finding coming ground in standing against the US.

That is the beauty of democracy, the ability to openly disagree. Where would the United States be without France and Germany forcing us to justify our actions? Your argument is a two sided my friend. While Democracy is not our goal, and thank God it is not, I only hope that one day they might be wise enough to fashion something similar for themselves.

[theapportioner]

A big reason why I'm going to NYC is to fight the general complacency that exists in America towards what Bush has been doing, especially after 09-11. I don't support the inevitable war for a variety of reasons, but it's hardly the biggest thing that angers me about this administration.

[Miss Modular]

If we're going after Saddam, then why aren't we going after Cuba, Zimbabwe, and other countries that have dictatorships? What makes Saddam so special, really?

[The_Rorschach]

Committing genocide against the Kurds, testing chemical and biological agents on his own people, excess taxation, impoverished conditions, standing in open defiance of treaties he himself agreed to, standing in open defiance to previously agreed to UN conditions. . .

[Evil Robot]

I think we should just deport all the jewish people and stop supporting isreal. :) just kidding. I think we should kill muslims and make seat covers for our SUVs out of thier turbans.

[ItalianStereotype]

oh ok, nevermind then.. um, i wont try to hold you to that standard though.

should i try to be more like you?

WE ARE SUPREME FOR GOD HAS BLESSED US. THE BLACK RACE SHOULD BE DESTROYED. EVERY STUDENT SHOULD HAVE A BIBLE IMPLANTED INTO THEIR FOREHEAD AND PEOPLE WHO GET ABORTIONS WILL BE SHOT.

[Miss Modular]

Committing genocide

Zimbabwe is also guilty of this.

In fact, most of the things you listed, one dictatorship or another is guilty of.

[ranxer]

whatever Italian.. you sound plenty zealous .. and not just in response to me. oh well.. do whatever floats yer boat, makes no difference to me.

this story about Saddam attempting genocide is repeated over and over, but i've never seen any evidence, besides the one sided, un-checked "reports" .. sounds like we are practicing guilty until proven innocent.. the statement "used chemical weapons on his own people" is another often stated but unfounded "report"
correct me if im wrong, but the kurds were an armed resistance not peaceful voters protesting a president.. ok sure he should not have used chem weaps, but that has still not been verified.. even verified, its no reason to drop bombs on the people of iraq.

again im with those that say as investigation and history will show this is not about Saddam, not about terrorism, not about justice, this is about the bush administration seeking power through control of oil.

and after 12 years of sanctions Iraq is not a threat to peace.. the bush administration is the threat to peace.

[The_Rorschach]

Zimbabwe is also guilty of this.

In fact, most of the things you listed, one dictatorship or another is guilty of.

That is your argument? Well, lets address Zimbabwe. . .Threat against the US, economically or militarilly speaking? Nope. Hussien, yes on both counts. Has Zimbabwe shown any real imperialistic urges, such as overthrowing the rightful ruling of friendly neighbouring countries? Nope. Is Zimbabwe currently refusing to abide by treatise and UN sanctions? Nope.

Iraq is alot more unique than you give it credit for.

[Miss Modular]

Zimbabwe is also guilty of this.

In fact, most of the things you listed, one dictatorship or another is guilty of.

That is your argument? Well, lets address Zimbabwe. . .Threat against the US, economically or militarilly speaking? Nope. Hussien, yes on both counts. Has Zimbabwe shown any real imperialistic urges, such as overthrowing the rightful ruling of friendly neighbouring countries? Nope. Is Zimbabwe currently refusing to abide by treatise and UN sanctions? Nope.

Didn't Iraq finally relent themselves to UN inspections? I think to a certain degree, we've allowed Saddam Hussein to become who he is today. There was a time when we supported him and his regime. Why didn't we go after him in the early '80s? What makes him more threatening now?

I think Saddam is a barbarous menace. But I don't think a war is going to solve anything. I think it's just going to create more problems and turn the whole world against us. Once we're done with Iraq, there'll more and more wars. You might not agree, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Iraq is alot more unique than you give it credit for.

I think you're exaggerating.

[ranxer]

how is Saddam a military threat to America?

just because our corporate media says he's the boogey man doesnt mean he is.
GW is lieing like there's no tomorrow and Powell is going along with it.. as you know, many of us dont believe it for a second.

How is Saddam an economic threat to America?

ror: such as overthrowing the rightful ruling of friendly neighbouring countries?

:lol are you talking about Kuwait? haha a Monarchy propped up by the U$?? we set him up on that.. April Glasby gave Saddam the green light to invade by saying "Arab borders are not our concern" to him saying he was going to invade if the despute was not addressed. Saddam had a legal dispute over oil with Kuwait that was ignored by the world court And Kuwait.. Many of us saw it coming.. Saddam in his ignorance did not. I've heard many reports that he doesnt listen much to contrary opinion so it was no suprise that he didnt take caution there, but it was by no means an overthrowing of a rightful ruling of freindly neighbouring countries.

really the only question i have for you ror is why did April Glasby DISAPPEAR after that meeting before the invasion??? gee, could it be that they knew they were setting up to move on Iraq??
HINT: the answer wont come from the corporate mass media

[KevinTheOmnivore]

i dont hate peace supporters, i hate YOU.

:lol

Fantastic.

[Malevolent]

http://home.attbi.com/~martok/Peace.jpg

[ranxer]

oh no, the Rally isnt legal yet, the city hasnt ok'd the march >:
get a lawyer before you go! http://nyc.indymedia.org/

[Miss Modular]

get a lawyer before you go!

Thanks, but I don't think I'll need a lawyer. I'd see how you might need one, though. :P

[ranxer]

hmm, maybe you took that the wrong way.. sorry if that sounded too cynical. i talk, chant, hold signs but have never needed a lawyer.. as a matter of fact i'm usually behind a camera recording free speech in all its glory.
I'd be one of the folks stopping the vandalism if it broke out not encouraging it.

what makes you think i'd need a lawyer?

[El Blanco]

Mayor asshole Bloomberg won't allow them to march, but you can stand outside the UN and freeze your psuedo-hippy asses off.

The word I get is because Bloomberg doesn't want to pa the NYPD for the overtime it would take to secure the march as opposed to just a standing rally. We have had a bunch of half essed demonstrations here latley (not all concerning Iraq) there are a bunch more scheduled, plus, St Patrick's Day parade is in about a month. This rally was thrown at the city at the last minute and there was no way to budget it in properly.

Bottom line: You can't march cuz bloomberg is too cheap to protect you.

[Miss Modular]

Mayor asshole Bloomberg won't allow them to march, but you can stand outside the UN and freeze your psuedo-hippy asses off.

I'm so sick of this stereotype that all people who protest are (or at least dress like) pseudo-hippies or trustafarians. If you were to meet me in person, you'd notice that I actually dress in Old Navy, almost like a normal person. Why don't you come watch the protest on Saturday and see for yourself? Or do you think you're going to be poisoned by the scent of patchouli?

I don't see you doing anything, Blanco. >:

[El Blanco]

I'm so sick of this stereotype that all people who protest are (or at least dress like) pseudo-hippies or trustafarians.

Thats all the ones I have met.


If you were to meet me in person, you'd notice that I actually dress in Old Navy, almost like a normal person.

You buy clothes made in foriegn sweatshops? Evil capitalist pig.

Why don't you come watch the protest on Saturday and see for yourself?

I almost had to. But, thankfully I won't. Its gonna be colder than a witch's titty.

Or do you think you're going to be poisoned by the scent of patchouli?

What the hell is patchouli, anyway? I have heard it refered to a bunch (damn you John Cusack), but never knew what it was. I'm guessing some vegetarian dish.

I don't see you doing anything, Blanco.

I got bigger problems.

[Miss Modular]

Thats all the ones I have met.

I'll admit to a certain degree this is true, but I don't think it's representative all protesters.


You buy clothes made in foriegn sweatshops? Evil capitalist pig.

As Carni has said, if I had to watch everything, I'd be wearing a fig leaf and living in a cave.

What the hell is patchouli, anyway?

It's the official Trustafarian cologne. It's the reason a lot of them smell bad. :rolleyes

I got bigger problems.

Apathy. Ain't it a bitch.

[Ronnie Raygun]

Cancelled?

HA!

[El Blanco]

Not canceled. They just can't block off all of 1st ave. They have to stick to the park across the street from the UselessN building.

[El Blanco]

Apathy. Ain't it a bitch.

No. I don't believe in your little cause. Why am I gonna stand in the freezing cold for how many hours?

And, unlike most of these psuedo-hippies I run into, I've got more problems.

[FS]

* * * THIS JUST IN! * * *

The UN security council has collectively decided to postpone any action towards Iraq on account of individual difficulties. As Colin Powell put it: "El Blanco has bigger problems."

[El Blanco]

Fucking, eh.

Its about time I got the recognition I so rightly deserve. Now, how about some free money and a lot of empty promises that will be forgotten as soon as France and China figure out they can't profit off me?

[Miss Modular]

Looks like there's a permit. (http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=791)

:)

[KevinTheOmnivore]

The word I get is because Bloomberg doesn't want to pa the NYPD for the overtime it would take to secure the march as opposed to just a standing rally. We have had a bunch of half essed demonstrations here latley (not all concerning Iraq) there are a bunch more scheduled, plus, St Patrick's Day parade is in about a month.

To my understanding, the National Guard are being called in for the event. What does the NYPD pay for the day have to do with it then...?


This rally was thrown at the city at the last minute and there was no way to budget it in properly.

Please. These things happen all the time, often with much less premeditation.

I'll be there Saturday. Should be interesting. :)

[El Blanco]

What does the NYPD pay for the day have to do with it then...?


Its usually NYPD that handles security for these things. I haven't heard anything about National Guard being used.

[theapportioner]

I'll be there as well. If anyone wants my cell, email me at FART

[Miss Modular]

Sorry folks.

Unfortunately, I've had to withdraw, but for non-political reasons.

I'm sure this won't be the last protest. I'll protest someday, just Saturday won't be the day.

[Ronnie Raygun]

So as Mr. Lobowski says "the bums lost".

[Miss Modular]

I see you're still afflicted with Kapn's syndrome. Get over yourself.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Ronnie's just bitter that the rest of the world is seeking alternatives to war. He wants to see his dead people. :(