Are we racist/prejudice?

[James]

Yesterday, American History X was on IFC. I hadn't seen the movie in a long time, so I forgot a lot of what happened. Anyway, as I was watching, I realized that some of the comments that were made from the racist point of view really do make a lot of sense, and I could find myself agreeing with them.

Now, I'm not saying that I hate black people, or mexicans, or jews, or even Chojin. But when you hear that father taling about how the fire department hired two black guys just because they were black, rather than two other guys who scored higher on the test and did better in the training, you really can see what's wrong with something like that.

Now granted, I don't know if there's any truth to that particular example, but it sounds like it could very well be. I don't really bother to go and look up facts regarding hating black people. And more importantly, I also understand that the facts in the movie aren't necessarily racist, but just used by them to further validate their own hatred. You can see the wrong in something without having to hate everyone who's not white.

But it really did make me think. We're all prejudice in some manner. We all have predetermined opinions about at least one person/group of people, place, or thing. But are we also "racist?" Meaning, do we have these opinions related to cultures and skin colors that we see something wrong with? Not necessarily a matter of hating someone for it, but more of seeing there's a problem instead of pretending there's not. Knowing that there's something wrong with a certain situation, rather than shrugging your shoulders, saying, "Well, that only seems fair," and then ignoring it.

And it's not just a negative perspective either. For example, Black History Month. I have a problem with that, because you end up taking a whole month, and dedicating it to that. In school, you may or may not actually do so. You may have a week or two reading a book like Uncle Tom's Cabin, or maybe watch the first hour of Roots, but that's probably it. In younger years, you'd learn all about the heroes who helped break down the lines of segregation, at least. And that's where the irony comes in. You spend all this time trying to treat and acknowledge one another as equal, and have all these people who sacrificed so much wanted to be just like everyone else, then you go and point out a whole half-assed month to show the differences. But WHY is there a Black History Month? Shouldn't we be understanding and being taught about these things throughout a year, throughout a lifetime, about all these kinds of things?

But maybe I'm just rambling, and I really do hate black people.

[theapportioner]

For example, Black History Month.

Historical revisionism, and I mean that in a good way. The history that is taught in the States has traditionally been a white Americentric, Eurocentric history. If I may be permitted to throw around a bunch of postmodernist ideas, this is knowledge as a will to power, rather than objective truth. Black history, as well as women's history, homosexuals' history, Mexicans' history, etc. etc. has traditionally been thrown in the ignored and unexplored domain of the Other. Something that, as Kevin suggested, is the great American pastime. To revise history in this case is to decentralize it.

But WHY is there a Black History Month?

Just as there is a Memorial day, a Veteran's Day, Labor Day... you can't celebrate everything all the time. And I doubt Americans would give much of a shit about black history unless it was slapped in their faces. After all, the traditional view of history is so pervasive, so central.

Yes racism is wrong, and it is arbitrary. Essentially a social construct. We continue to see things in a perspective of racism -- races are a part of our language -- and this isn't ideal. But think of historical revisionism, affirmative action, etc. as means to an end, tools, instruments, rather than seeing them as morally legitimate or illegitimate by themselves.

[GAsux]

I have to disagree a bit here, and I'll focus my disagreement with one example with the intention of not taking too much away from the original post.

Here is my beef with programs like affirmative action and the justification that it somehow rights social ills. It is my opinion that the effects of such programs are marginal at best. One could argue that something is better than nothing. People like to label those who oppose affirmative action as "racist" or insensitive and I don't agree with that label.

I don't like programs like affirmative action because I am a negro hating, ignorant white man. I don't buy into the "it's better than nothing" philosophy. It is my opinion that affirmative action is akin to putting a spare tire on your care to fix a flat. It may work for a while, but it's not intended to be a cure all. It's a temporary fix. Each day, year, etc longer you rely on it, the more marginalized it's positive effects become.

My point is that affirmative action and similar programs will never end the effects of racism in society. While it is well intentioned, I personally don't see it being the vehicle that enacts significant social change. It's merely a crutch that serves a more symbollic purpose at this point.

I would be willing to agree that we likely all have a bit or racism/sexism/ageism inside us. I don't suppose that will ever go away. If we intend to attempt to enact societal changes to limit it's effects, we ought to evaluate how effective those changes are to reaching those goals.

[The_voice_of_reason]

Unfortunatly there is always going to be an ingrained sense of curiosity or awe at those who are not "us". People who are of a different race. It is not always racism, racism is a belief that different races are fundamentaly different, but dammit, people are people.

[Abcdxxxx]

depends on if you've grown up amongst people of varied backgrounds or not. i was raised in a progressive atmosphere in san francisco ... the black history month type events just got tossed aside because we were all too sophisticated to really care, and it wasn't a novelty to discuss martin luther king in a classroom... and there wasn't any seperation of histories or pushing of a white american outlook on events. with that said, there was a climate where overt liberalism added to racial tensions where they would never have been.... people would move there from states where they hadn't been exposed to such multi-culturalism, and they'd force their guilt on people. san francisco is now a fairly tense place when it comes to race relations. another examples was when the gay community insisted on instating the rainbow curriculum into schools changing text books to read "mommy and mommy" or "dick and dick and jane". perhaps in kansas this might have some value, but in sf, you're pretty aware at an early age that there are varius sexual preferences and some of your friends might have two dads. by showcasing these issues or suggesting it's a seperate history, or education we just put these issues in their own ghetto.

[VinceZeb]

If you want to get really deep and insightful, the theory of evolution as created by Darwin gives us evolutionary rights to be racist, considering in that time, the thinking was that whites, Chinese, blacks, Australians, and another group were all seperate from each other, with whites being Homo sapiens.

[AChimp]

We have to put up with all kinds of multicultural bullshit here in Canada, and there's always Group X coming out and demanding that everybody recognize how special and unique they are.

However, those people from Group X are usually a small minority of the minority (HA! Get it?) and the average person just doesn't care and ignores it. In the end, it's just the politicians that pay attention because they have to, and the lame social activists.

I don't see how we'll ever get past the issue of racism if certain groups keep trying to rub their skin colour in everyone else's face. It's not like I have a hard time remembering that someone is black or Native, afterall. :rolleyes

[AChimp]

If you want to get really deep and insightful, the theory of evolution as created by Darwin gives us evolutionary rights to be racist, considering in that time, the thinking was that whites, Chinese, blacks, Australians, and another group were all seperate from each other, with whites being Homo sapiens.

Yeah, but you see, Vinth, the thing about science is that theories can change over time. We realize now that blacks aren't any different from Asians and from white folk on the very basic level. If you're going to move forward with one foot firmly planted in the past, why stop at Darwin?

I mean, hell, if you want to get really deep and insightful here, we should still assume that the world is flat because our ancestors thought so.

And if you want to get really, really, really deep, we should offer animal sacrifices to God because it says to in the Bible.

[theapportioner]

Here is my beef with programs like affirmative action and the justification that it somehow rights social ills.

Agreed, I don't think affirmative action, if you go by its original rationale, does its job either. However the reasons for it have evolved, and at least in the universities, affirmative action is not so much a means of achieving racial justice, but a means of achieving diversity. At least this is the position of Bollinger and the University of Michigan. A bit subtle, but pretty different ideas. Greater diversity in the universities is something that I do favor, especially since our age is a greatly interconnected one.

That being said, if diversity is the goal, then affirmative action has in a sense become obsolete. Race is only one part of the diversity equation, and a.a. (if we should even call it that) needs to similarly evolve. This should be more palatable to organizations like the NAACP than alternative plans like "affirmative access", which some of the original designers in Texas say simply doesn't work.

by showcasing these issues or suggesting it's a seperate history, or education we just put these issues in their own ghetto.

That's always a danger, but one would hope that as cultural awareness increases, peoples' identities evolve appropriately. Remember it's peoples' identifications of themselves and of others that create the compartmentalization of history (and tensions); I doubt there is nearly as much vice versa reinforcement of identities from Black History Month.

Point is, what is lost when Black History Month is trumpeted is the perspective of how black history relates to other history, how these histories are not essential entities but creations with a temporal context to them. That there are "black" and "white' histories is itself a creation, with the tendency to become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

If you want to get really deep and insightful, the theory of evolution as created by Darwin gives us evolutionary rights to be racist, considering in that time, the thinking was that whites, Chinese, blacks, Australians, and another group were all seperate from each other, with whites being Homo sapiens.

Asinine. Die.

[James]

Point is, what is lost when Black History Month is trumpeted is the perspective of how black history relates to other history, how these histories are not essential entities but creations with a temporal context to them. That there are "black" and "white' histories is itself a creation, with the tendency to become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Exactly my point. It's very ironic that we teach equality by separating everything into it's own colored category.

But let's get back to the more "racist" side. Now, I'm in no way a white supremecist, but I feel that there are all these benefits for being of another nationality/race as an ongoing apology for what some or our ancestors may or may not have done hundreds of years ago. It seems almost Catholic in it's attempt (you must always feel guilty for sins you didn't even commit, because people killed Jesus long ago).

Granted, we should be ashamed of our history. But that doesn't mean we have to pay out the ass for it. I never did anything to any black person except call this girl a ****** in kindergarten, when I saw it used on an episode of Family Matters, and didn't know what it meant. Why is it that I shouldn't get a scholarship just because I'm not black or the like? It's reverse-racism in it's own sense. We have to run around worshipping anyone not of pink pigmentation as a way to one day hear the entire group of them say, "OK, you're forgiven, whitey."

And the worst part is, if you voice your opinion on something you feel is wrong - not because you are racist, but because you honestly feel it's not a sound solution to our world's problems (and rightfully so) - you might as well be holding a noose and a whip and calling everyone Toby. But if someone not white says there's something wrong, everyone takes notice and bends over backwords to please them.

Where's the equality in that, when white people are automatically looked down upon like that? The roles are reversed now. It's like we're the slaves.

Then again, this is all from my perception. Things may not really be like this, but it's how I feel it is based on my exposures, which I admit isn't all that worldy or deep. Just your run-of-the-mill middle-class suburbia.

[theapportioner]

I think you're being overly dramatic. People generally don't have it terribly rough just for being white. But institutionalized racism still exists, and many people still see blacks in a view that is colored (heh) by mostly negative norms. There is a self-fulfilling prophecy element to this as well. The original purpose of affirmative action is is not only to atone for the sins of the fathers, but also to counter the racism that exists today.

[Abcdxxxx]

i just find it interesting that the same people who call for cultural awareness tend to also be the same people who claim to have no use for "race". while it's wrong to differentiate someone based on their culture, it's also wrong to look down on someone who makes a conscious choice to differentiate themself by that culture.

you can't teach someone to understand other cultures, nor can the classroom really make up for someones lack of exposure. really the problem is opportunity, and sincerity.

[theapportioner]

it's also wrong to look down on someone who makes a conscious choice to differentiate themself by that culture.

The choice itself, I am indifferent to. Call yourself Russian or Buddhist or Punk or Socialist or Raelian. Whatever. What people often tether to the choice, indeed what makes it more than just calling yourself by that name -- the values associated with it, the relative distinctions, the rationale, the tendency to exclude those who choose otherwise, is fair game. Some elements may be praised, and others scorned. And the person who chooses, similarly judged, depending on what he identifies with, and what he doesn't.

See, they are not just labels, they are identifications.

[VinceZeb]

If you want to get really deep and insightful, the theory of evolution as created by Darwin gives us evolutionary rights to be racist, considering in that time, the thinking was that whites, Chinese, blacks, Australians, and another group were all seperate from each other, with whites being Homo sapiens.

Asinine. Die.

Go read some books, you fucking moron. Darwin said it himself as did many of his supporters.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

If you want to get really deep and insightful, the theory of evolution as created by Darwin gives us evolutionary rights to be racist, considering in that time, the thinking was that whites, Chinese, blacks, Australians, and another group were all seperate from each other, with whites being Homo sapiens.

Asinine. Die.

Go read some books, you fucking moron. Darwin said it himself as did many of his supporters.

What did Darwin say, that certain races of people were genetically superior due to their achievment in society? He never said that, he in fact denounced social Darwinism.

What did I tell you about interjecting in conversations you can't finish, clambake?

[Zhukov]

Darwin denounced it, Hitler supported it. And I bet the "libertarians" support it too. :/


"Australians"....WTF?

[VinceZeb]

From Darwin:

"I could show fight on natural selection having done and doing more for the progress of civilization than you seem inclined to admit... the more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existance. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilized races throught the world."

Thomas Huxley:

"If may be quite true that some negroes are better than some white men; but no rational man, cognizant of the facts, believes the average Negro is the equal, still less the superior, of the white man. And if this be true, it is simply incredible that, when all his disabilities are removed, and out prognathous relative has a fair field and no favor, as well as no oppressor, he will be able to compete sucessfully with his bigger-brained and smaller-jawed rival, in a contest which is to be carried out by thoughts and not by bites. The highest places within the hierarchy of civilization will assuredly not be within the reach of our dusky cousins...."

Huxley was Darwin's #1 supporter. I can go on and on. Darwin was a driving force behind Mao, Hitler and other such terrorist. It has nothing to do with the social Darwinism as praticed by guys like Carnegie and Rockafeller. Evolution was hinted at by Darwin and seen by his closest pupils and attack dogs that white males were the dominate species, followed by white women, and then "minorities". You can read a book, cant you?

Now, I can stop now at my covering your face with jizz, or I can go further and parade you down Times Square while you wear a Sailor Moon outfit. My advice, take the towel and clean up, jizzy.

[kellychaos]

Whether Darwin believed that or not, I cannot say. I've never heard enough about this to know whether you're taking this out of context or not. To be fair, I guess that I'll have to do a little research and get back to you. If it proves true, I can't say that I'd totally disrespect the man and disregard his other achievements but it would lower my view of him a notch or two. Perhaps that was the pervailing theory of the time. :shrug What I CAN say is that those so-called scientific facts have sinced been proved not only false but absurd so your point about evolution and race is moot. Why bring it up? Unless you're saying that to know our current selves, we have to know the stupid mistakes of our past culture. I guess I can see that. What I can also say is the fact that you knew where to find that crap is frightening in and of itself.

[James]

Vince, get out of my thread you fucking jungle bunny.

[Carnivore]

Seriously. Remove yourself from this conversation before you make an even bigger ass of yourself. You can't say a Black child raised in a jungle in Africa is inferior to a Caucasian raised in suburbia. To make a just comparison, the two must be placed in similar situations. This isn't a difficult concept to understand.

[AChimp]

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My name is Vinth, the Nazi Robot! I spread hate across the Intarweb!

Remember! Black people are inferior because people 100 years ago thought so! :dunce

[punkgrrrlie10]

Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilized races throught the world."

You forget that people have differing notions of what "civilized" means which is illustrated by Carnivore's statement:

You can't say a Black child raised in a jungle in Africa is inferior to a Caucasian raised in suburbia.

The English, Spanish, Portuguese, thought they were bringing "civilization" to those poor poor heathens with no christianity by enslaving them and giving them syphilis. Remember, it was the white man fucking the sheep and treating populations as lesser beings than themselves in the name of "civilization"

[Sethomas]

Actually, syphilis is one of the few diseases native to the Americas. European tolerance to it was so low that within a century of Columbus landing, the virus swam its way into royal blood and was probably one factor that killed Henry VIII.

Vince is such a fucking idiot that it's not clear whether he's mocking evolutionists for supporting a racist scientist, or if he's justifying racism with scientific name dropping. In either case, historical empathy renders null his pathetic attempts at making a point.

[James]

Chimp almost made me choke on my Triscuits. :lol

[VinceZeb]

Vince, get out of my thread you fucking jungle bunny.

Hmmmm, now the term "jungle bunny" is usually a bigoted slur aimed towards blacks. Now, since I am not black, this joke does not apply, and besides, I thought was the racist bigot of the board was supposed to be me! But, if you will, notice how I never use bigotted terms towards people, even when trying to be "funny". Of course this kind of humor told in my city would guarentee James a trip down the Mississippi river, face down of course.

And Sethomas, please describe how I am a fucking idiot. All I said was if you want to get deep into the way racism works, it used to be believed (and still is now by groups such as the World Church Of The Creator and Nation Of Islam) that evolution was a key to unlock the door to thinking that some groups were below the white male. If you think I am racist, you obviously have never paid attention to a thing I have ever said. Therefore, to anyone with an IQ larger than the number of fingers and toes they possess, I am the intellgent one and you are a dumbass.

And to Kelly, its called reading a book. Try it. Well, I should say try reading GOOD books.

[Zhukov]

Would a term such as "Christ Killer" be a bigotted remark?

[VinceZeb]

Max doesn't count.

[James]

Get out of my thread. Seriously.

This thread is not for you to pull your pork rind-induced arguments and debates with people. We're discussing views and opinions, not arguing them.

[AChimp]

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Hey kids, it's Vinth the Nazi Robot!

Remember, put any Jews you find in my belly because they don't count!

[Zhukov]

BRILLIANT! :lol

[mburbank]

Really? I don't? Why not? Maybe you don't count when james calls you a "Jungle Bunny", which by the way, is funny precisely because it is arandomly selected, innacurate slur. THAT'S what makes it funny, and it's even funnier that you don't get it you stupid chink spick.

And don't bother calling me racist, becuase Vinth doethn't count.

[VinceZeb]

I must say that anytime I feel like I am down in life, I can come here and see people who are worse than I'll ever be able to sink to.

Thanks. I mean that.

[mburbank]

Now I will say way to adress the insulting of the arguer and not the argument they made as an argument, Clambake. but then this is how we talked to it himself.

[kellychaos]

And to Kelly, its called reading a book. Try it. Well, I should say try reading GOOD books.

I've read several books on Darwinism but I don't recall reading anything pertaining to social evolution as it pertains to humans. I admitted that much. I wasn't trying to ridicule you. One of my question was whether you took it out of context. The other was asking whether you were mocking the theories of old or trying to use them as scientific support of your current ideas. I couldn't tell from your post. By the way, the term "homo sapiens" refers to the human species, not any one race. :droppingknowledge :)

[Sethomas]

Vince, are you saying that the bible-thumping, literalistic KKK has a racist policy because Darwin put it in their heads that whites are better fit than blacks? Are you really so thoroughly dense that you think that any mode of white supremacy is truly rooted in scientifically objective evolution?

You'd said before that you only believe in microevolution, not macro. Why not? Your religion accepts macroevolution and even the Big Bang. Do you have some scientific insight that proves it chemically implausible?

[VinceZeb]

Vince, are you saying that the bible-thumping, literalistic KKK has a racist policy because Darwin put it in their heads that whites are better fit than blacks? Are you really so thoroughly dense that you think that any mode of white supremacy is truly rooted in scientifically objective evolution?

You'd said before that you only believe in microevolution, not macro. Why not? Your religion accepts macroevolution and even the Big Bang. Do you have some scientific insight that proves it chemically implausible?

The Big bang is easy to disprove. something cannot come from nothing.


Hmmmm... I'm dense, huh? Why don't you go look up a group called World Church Of the Creator. Then you can come back and apologize.

[AChimp]

Knock knock, Vinth. If something cannot come from nothing, then where did your God come from? Neither side can prove their position.

[VinceZeb]

According to God, He has always existed outside of reality. He is true perpetual motion: never beginning nor ending.


And there is a lot more to prove Biblicial accounts than you may thnk, but that is neither here or there.

[The_voice_of_reason]

The Big bang is easy to disprove. something cannot come from nothing.

Be careful with the word cannot, a good scientist never rules out anything except when taking the short view. I give you http://www.bu.edu/wcp/Papers/Meta/MetaSuch.htm

I would cut and paste the relevent parts but it would take up too much space, look at section VI and its subsections.

[The_voice_of_reason]

Oh and also god can't exist outside of reality..oops i used can't.

[AChimp]

According to God, He has always existed outside of reality. He is true perpetual motion: never beginning nor ending.


And there is a lot more to prove Biblicial accounts than you may thnk, but that is neither here or there.

:lol

Well, since God himself said so, then it really must be the case. Because he just happens to talk to people and tell them these things, you know.

Yep. :blah

Again, neither side can definitively prove their case.

[The_voice_of_reason]

God actually called me the other day, he doesn't exist outside reality. He exists in my TV. He told me to bomb an abortion clinic so I did. I think he wants me to kill myself now.

God works in mysterious ways. Like a ninja.

[Sethomas]

No part of the Big Bang theory says that something came out of nothing, dipshit. All the energy that exists now was just compacted into a Plank-level nugget, and that's not quite "nothing".

If you want to play the religion game, I can defend my Catholicism better than your pathetic fumblings of arguments. You have no solid base knowledge of anything, and your opinions are shit and drivel.

[mburbank]

Watch out, Seth. Among Vinths many convnient achievements, he studied to be a priest for two years. He had a calling, seth, a CALLING!

Of course, that being said I can defend Catholocism better than Vince can. Hell, I'm a better Catholic than Vinth is and I'M A JEW!

[VinceZeb]

No part of the Big Bang theory says that something came out of nothing, dipshit. All the energy that exists now was just compacted into a Plank-level nugget, and that's not quite "nothing".

If you want to play the religion game, I can defend my Catholicism better than your pathetic fumblings of arguments. You have no solid base knowledge of anything, and your opinions are shit and drivel.

Please, don't even try to start shit with me when it comes to faith and religion. I guarentee I will drive you into the fucking ground. But I do not come here to discuss religion, and the entire argument is pointless, because you won't change any of your views and I sure as hell wont change mine.

Ok, Sethomas, where did that little plank nugget filled with the ENGERGY OF THE UNIVERSE come from? And if the big bang/evolution theory was correct, why is everything living shorter now than it did before?

And when it comes to the flood, did you know that almost every civilization has a flood story? And the closer to the middle east it is, the more closely it resembles the Bible? And in China, a man found a tale about the flood from a group of Chinese tribes (that were seperated from the Chinese people) that had a flood story almost EXACTLY like the one in the Torah.

I can go on and on about it. So please, let's just agree to disagree.

[Zhukov]

Why did you put yourself above such a 'pointless' argument, yet continue to fuel the flames?


"why is everything living shorter now than it did before? "

Huh?


I think Plank Nugget and God came from the same place. In fact, I bet they grew up together to boot. 'Nuff said.

[mburbank]

The "big bang" is merely the expansion of the universal heart, which will eventually contract to a singularity and explode again into a new universe, over and over, infinitely, as it always has and always will, it's own prime mover. Matter and energy are the same thing, neither created nor destroyed, only prepetually tansformed. As far as we know. We call this God as it is beyond human comprehension.








Either that, or the earth is a bowl on the back of a Turtle in the middle of the All surrounded by Chaos.


All systems of thought, scientiffic or religous require a certain amount of blind, unquestioning, illogical faith at their center.


Or the courage to say "I don't know."

[kellychaos]

Please, don't even try to start shit with me when it comes to faith and religion. I guarentee I will drive you into the fucking ground.


Arguing for the existence of God as the prime mover will eventually lead to the question of what created God, then what created THAT entity, ad infintum. It's a faith based argument that can never be proved. Those that argue for the Big Bang say it was preceded by a Big Crunch, and that it precedes in this way in an endless series of entropy increase/decreae and/or energy increase/decrease in no particular order. Currently scientists believe we're in the point of the cycle that favors loss of entropy. When you get to that level of infinity in science, you're also faced with an argument that's based on man's faith in his logical acumen. So that too cannot be solved by a purely empirical, methodological approach. It's more metaphysical. So again, you're at a dead end. I think that the best approach at this point is a reconciliation of the two approached taking from each that which seems to logically fit AND which we can faithfully believe in without taking anything away from either. It can be done.


And in China, a man found a tale about the flood from a group of Chinese tribes (that were seperated from the Chinese people) that had a flood story almost EXACTLY like the one in the Torah.


That reminds me of the old intelligence-check riddle that goes "If a plane crashes in the ocean killing everyone on board, how many surivors were there to tell the story?". Methinks you take the Bible a bit too literally.

[mburbank]

Besides, the Biblical flood myth and that chinese stories are just fictionalized memories of the sinking of Atlantis.

[AChimp]

:lol

Vinth, you like to talk, so why should it be any different that people six thousand years ago didn't talk and share stories? Fast forward a few centuries, and there you go: an entire culture a thousand miles away is left thinking that the story originated with them.

[James]

:lol

Vinth, you like to talk, so why should it be any different that people six thousand years ago didn't talk and share stories? Fast forward a few centuries, and there you go: an entire culture a thousand miles away is left thinking that the story originated with them.

Dear God... imagine a few thousand years in the future, a religion about Vince.

"All hail the Almighty Would-Be Submarine Officer!"

But let's get back on topic here. We can't let this thread go to shit like all those black ghettos.

[Sethomas]

I love how the existence of other cultures' version of the story is supposed to substantiate the claim that our take is the correct one.

Hey Vince, did you know that most Catholic schools teach the Noah story strictly as a fable in their theology curriculum? Didn't your Sunday school teacher tell you that the bible is fallible in regards to history and science? Granted that would be obvious to anyone with two years of seminary behind him, but I doubt we have any such person here.

Edit: Just to run things back on topic: what are your thoughts on The Bell Curve, Vince?

[Cybernetico]

Well, I guess there are many aspects on this one.

We're all biased in some way. I am too. I don't hate black people, or at least not all. But some of the ones who make those nasty stereotypes come true. I hate to say it, but I think blacks have done more wrong to our culture than right.

I think this dates back to 5th grade. We had this thing with the 5th graders where we would go to eachothers schools. Once they came to ours and checked it out, then we went to thiers.

The school we were doing it with was Lincon School from New Britian -- YES JAMESMAN THAT NEWBRITIAN, FELLOW CT'ER! -- and I've never been disrespected so bad in my life. The kids were loud, obnoxious, rude, insulting, and quite frankly just the dumbest pieces of animal crap EVER. And you know what?

They were all black or hispanic.

Yes, New Britian is a ghetto kinda place, and these were ghetto kinda kids. They would stare at us like were freaks and mistreated us, and were just so racist. And the few white kids that were at that school didn't hangout with the black/hispanic ones. They were outcasted and even had sat at thier own table in the lunch room. Unlike here in this town I call berlin where theres a plentiful supply of nothing to do, where we all see past race. No black kids go to our school and act like that. I even hang around some black kids.

I must say that everytime I cross a hispanic womans line something annoying happens. Picture this;

Here I am, hartford colloseum, it's Wrestlemania 11, thats right, WRESTLEMANIA 11. I'm having fun, watching the action (I've been a big fan of wrestling till some years ago when it got too, well, different) and theres this mildy obese hispanic woman in front of me. she suddenly decides she wants to smell at least half-decent and get the flies away. So she doesn't go to the bathroom and put some perfume on or anything.

She starts spraying herself with armpit spray

Thats right, she lifts those cow-sized arms up (showing off the nice garden growing under those oh so very sexy arms *sarcasm*) and sprays herself. And I'm just this poor kids caughing to death while she's spraying herself.

Friggin disgusting.

So naturally, I don't like many blacks or hispanics, I've grown up in a town thats not too diverse and I like it since everytime I go somewhere where there are people who aren't caucasion it just sucks.

:/

[AChimp]

Dude, you have to be tolerant of other cultures' armpit deodorizing rituals. I'm sure that they'd find it really weird that we masturbate with our right hands. Or something.

[Zhukov]

"I hate to say it, but I think blacks have done more wrong to our culture than right. "

What is your culture?

[mburbank]

He comes from a long line of sweeping generalists. If you don't hate all black people, juts some of them, has it occured to you that thier blackness might have nothing to do with your hatred, and that you just hate some of the folks you've met?

You hate some people, but like a lot of other idiots (and God knows, I don't hate ALL idiots, just a lot of them) you NEED to see it in terms of competeing tribes. It's not that shocking, genetically we as people are only slightly different than Baboon troupes. We do have a singular adaptation though, free will, which you can excorcise to recognize that in all probability you don't hate any particular ethnic group.

It's much more likely you just hate the poor. And who doesn't?

[Zhukov]

The overwhelming majority don't hate the poor, ie poor people. :rolleyes

Have you ever thought about hating white trash? They pretty much excel in the same area.

[VinceZeb]

It's not that shocking, genetically we as people are only slightly different than Baboon troupes.

Speak for yourself, Bluestein. But, it sure does explain all the pointless screaming and feces throwing you do, Max.

[AChimp]

Chimps and humans have 99.4% of their DNA in common. I guess God must have been lazy when he finally made people. :lol

[VinceZeb]

Humans are also 60% water. Does that mean that I should see a head of lettuce as a distant cousin?

[Bennett]

All living things are made of the same raw materials, the DNA is blueprint... you know that whole ontological type of thing. You know that argument about the watchmaker? Anyway, your analogy is completely incorrect and irrelevant, amusing, but pointless nonetheless.

[Zhukov]

DNA, and not the elements, is the base on which we compare our structure to that of other living things.


Apes, however, also share the same percentage of H20 in contrast to other elements as humans. But I always thought it was 70%.

Methinks that you ran out of ideas regarding your hilarious comebacks at everything anyone you don't like says, and simply threw that together without caring about any responses or consequences. Somebody is bound to say something funny about people having sex with lettuce, or something.


Edit: sorry bennett, posted at the same time,

[AChimp]

:lol

Vinth has pulled out the stupid Creationist comebacks!

[mburbank]

"Humans are also 60% water. Does that mean that I should see a head of lettuce as a distant cousin?"
-Vinth

You? Not so distant.

Nice Jew joke, though. And here I was all orried you were turning puthy.

Hey, Cybernetico, Vinth is just about ready to through in the towl. You warmed up enough to be I-mockery patsy yet? Think before you answer, it's a big commitment. And you need to learn to write worse.

[VinceZeb]

I can already tell you how this conversation is going to go:

Vince: one scientific reason for his beliefs

Some random dumbass: HAHHA, VINTH CREATIONIST, VIN STUPID!

Vince: something about not responding to my statement

Some "smart" dumbass: random point that has been disproven about evoulution

Vince: showing or giving an argument that destroys the statement

Max Jewbank: drinks his arab blood cocktail, finishes his bagel with the Arab children bone-marrow spread, and spews some kind of idotic diatribe that amuses the idiots of the board like a magician mystifies the rubes at the local motel.

vince: Says something else, counter acts the statement, gets tired of the argument that leads no where, quits responding to the thread.

Dumbass: HAHAHA VINTH LOST. WE BAD! HAHAHAHA!


Does that about cover it?

[Bennett]

If you're talking about your 60% water statement, then no, that doesn't cover it. If you want me to cover than, because you still don't understand how you are wrong, let me know.

[James]

He comes from a long line of sweeping generalists. If you don't hate all black people, juts some of them, has it occured to you that thier blackness might have nothing to do with your hatred, and that you just hate some of the folks you've met?

Unfortunately, the rest of the world never sees it like that. A white man's not allowed to hate anyone not-white, lest they forever be known as being a racist.

And I must agree though. I find that the majority of people I find annoying are all black people, and share the same qualities. It's not that I hate them for being black, but I hate them for doing things to piss me off.

Went into Gamestop one day to pick up a game, and I was talking to one of the guys while an employee was trying to find my reservation ticket. This little black kid runs up and starts flapping his gums:

"Dall yo got dem tinda gayz?"

Translation: "Pardon me for interrupting you, but do you happen to carry any Nintendo 64 games? I'm sure you do, but I am unable to find them, for I just ran into the store." Took us about 5 minutes to figure it out. Then his mom came in, and we understood why he talked like he had a cock in his mouth.

Whenever it comes to not being able to understand a word someone's saying, it is usually a balck person. And I'm not counting their made up words and terms. I'm just talking about their inability to speak a language understood by anyone else.

Another thing. Whenever I go to the movies, and find myself being pissed off by someone, it's a black person. Whether they're laughing so loud they drown out the movie, or they're little children running around saying "Momma wut's dat mean?" or it's someone doing their best Bernie Mac impression. But my dad also talks during a movie, so once again, it's not just or all black people. But the majority of my feeling annoyed comes from things that many black people seem to have in common.

Is it race related? No, but it's coincidence. And because of that coincidence, my annoyance ends up being deemed racist, despite me knowing and admitting that it's not just or all black people. Just most of the time, it happens to be in my experiences.

If people would just stop blaming things on race, and start blaming things on them being dumbshits who piss people off, I'd feel a lot safer. You can't even roll your eyes without worrying some black guy's going to get in your face about it. At least, around here, in the mean streets of CT.

I can already tell you how this conversation is going to go:

Well, it wouldn't have to go that way (if indeed it is, which it isn't), if you would stop pulling scientific "facts" out of your ass that are bent to fit your opinion, and fucking stay on topic about being a Nazi-worshipping Jewminator.

[VinceZeb]

Come on boardies, prove you are worth your salt. Tell James he is a racist. Come on now, since you all are enlightened liberals, it shouldn't be a problem.

[kellychaos]

Allow me to rephrase my last remark, Vinth. If, by the Biblical account, Noah and his family were the only survivors of the Great Flood, how did these mysterious asian tribes live to pass down this tale of world catastrophe. Keep in mind, of course, that there was no written language at that time. In other words, the story would have had to have been recounted orally.

[VinceZeb]

Kelly, who is to say that Noah's daughter-in-laws werent of different races? After the tower fell, everyone spoke different and probably had a different race instituted to them as well. It doesn't say in the bible that Noah's wives were all of Middle eastern decent, neither does it say it of Noah's sons or noah's wife. If the Bibilical account is correct, then it would have taken about as long to populate the world as it did after the flood, considering that people had larger families them. As the tribes grew and split, the stories were passed down and then slightly changed now and then by people who heard them, but were not directly involved in the flood.

[Sethomas]

Tower of Babel? Just a fable. Who says so? The Catholic Church.

[VinceZeb]

Do you have documented evidence of this "fact"? My church has always taught me that it was more truth than fable. Besides, Vatican II is not my cup of tea on a LOT of issues. Vatican I is the way it should be.

We Catholics do tend to be able to think for ourselves, Sethomas. They may be suprising to a lock-stepper like yourself, but it can happen.

[The_voice_of_reason]

Vince: one scientific reason for his beliefs


I'm still waiting for this part.

[kellychaos]

Vince: one scientific reason for his beliefs


I'm still waiting for this part.

You've seen that Snicker bar commercial, right? :)

[The_voice_of_reason]

no

[AChimp]

Vatican I is the way it should be.
You mean the one that condoned killing savages and supported inquisitions?

[kellychaos]

It was a series of Snicker commercials that depicted some character in a setting where he/she is obviously going to have to wait a while and settling in to eat a Snicker bar during the wait. The ending tagline was something like "Is it going to be a while?". My joke has lost it's punch in the explanation. It's more a visual reference. :/

[mburbank]

Vinth, While your constant Jew baiting is admittedly hysterical and always admirably fresh, the annti arab sentiment you attribute to me is without merit. I think it's common knowledge that A.) I don't hate anyone based on their ethnic background B.) I rarely ever hate at all, and it's always a speciffic person for speciffic reasons,. like, say, you. and C.) Some on my best friends are Arabs.

Wait for it... wait for it... is Vinth going to understand what part of that was ironic?... wait for it.... Does Vinth know that 'ironic' doesn't simply mean 'the opposite of'... wait for it...

James: I find your annecdotal experience of race relations reveals more about you than it does any sort of wider cultural characteristics.

"Unfortunately, the rest of the world never sees it like that. A white man's not allowed to hate anyone not-white, lest they forever be known as being a racist. "

By the rest of the world, what do you mean? People you've met? Your Town? The U.S.of A. ? Is it so terribly hard to be a White Man? 'Cause it hasn't been that awful for me. And the fact that sometimes negative feelings are attributed to you based on your whiteness seems like chump change compared to just about every other form of institutionalized racism. Can't you even enjoy being born onto the top of the heap? Lighten up.

This sentence

"I find that the majority of people I find annoying are all black people, and share the same qualities."

and this sentence

"It's not that I hate them for being black, but I hate them for doing things to piss me off. "

Show a real confusion of thought. You are all ready codifying the 'people who annoy you' (oh sin amongst sins) by color. You are ascribing behavioral 'qualities' to their Blackness. I find you annoying right now, and I can think of lots of folks you share charcateristics with, but this is the internet, so I can't say it's BECAUSE you're a white middle class punk who doesn't understand the privilidges they've been borne into and becuase of his whiteness and middleclassness has a need to resent others for every pettty inconvenience he imagines. Even though you share that quality with a whole lot of a totally statistically insignificant chunk of the white middle class punks I've met. I promise thought, that should I come to hate you, it will be totally becuase of who you are as an individual.

"Dall yo got dem tinda gayz?"

Vinth is frequently that hard to understand, and he's not black at all. He's a white middle class punk who doesn't understand the privilidges they've been borne into and becuase of his whiteness and middleclassness has a need to resent others for every pettty inconvenience he imagines. If you visit Catholci Samurai, you'll find it' message board populated by equally difficult to understand folks, and I'd wager most of them are white middle class punks who don't understand the privilidges they've been borne into and becuase of their whiteness and middleclassness have a need to resent others for every pettty inconvenience they imagine.

"Whenever I go to the movies, and find myself being pissed off by someone, it's a black person."

Really? what, do you bring flashlight and creep around checking them out? Or do you go to one of those crappy movie theaters that leaves the lights on during the film. Do you carry a l'il blues clues notebook so you can make mathemiatical racial comparisson about who annoyed you when you get home? Me? I think it's your choice of movies. I guess your dads characteristically Black behavior doesn't piss you off or inform your thinking very much.

"But the majority of my feeling annoyed comes from things that many black people seem to have in common. "

But how do you feel about their large genetalia and ability to dance? See, I think you need to appreciatte the qualities Blacks DO bring to the table. I mean, be fair. I'm really, really sorry that folks 'get in your face' and think you're a racist, though. I can't for the life of me imagine how anyone might get that idea about a nice guy like you.

Vinth, back to you. Your religous scholarship has all the quality, logic, merit and deep spiritual searching of an Eric Von Daynaken Book. You would need to be smarter to even realize how stupid you are.

[kellychaos]

It seems like, in general, James is simply getting pissed on and is groping for a target. Did you ever think, James, that it may be your tunnel-vision and your need to concentrate hate on some certain group of people that you produce your own problems. Lighten up. Stress (hate) kills ... that's a medical fact.

[AChimp]

I stick to hating individuals rather than broad ethnic groups. It's just much easier that way.

I think it's just coincidence that I end up hating more Natives than anyone else.

[James]

James: I find your annecdotal experience of race relations reveals more about you than it does any sort of wider cultural characteristics.

"Unfortunately, the rest of the world never sees it like that. A white man's not allowed to hate anyone not-white, lest they forever be known as being a racist. "

By the rest of the world, what do you mean? People you've met? Your Town? The U.S.of A. ? Is it so terribly hard to be a White Man? 'Cause it hasn't been that awful for me. And the fact that sometimes negative feelings are attributed to you based on your whiteness seems like chump change compared to just about every other form of institutionalized racism. Can't you even enjoy being born onto the top of the heap? Lighten up.

I'm obviously aware that cultures and societies are different from place to place. But where I am, things are pretty much like that. I admit that I would fear for my life if I ever acted angry against someone who happened to be black. Things are shit around where I live. But go over to where Rog used to live, I'd be surprised if he ever saw a black person, let alone one acting like they're likely to kill someone.

Not to say that's everyone or everywhere. Just around here, it feels like so many people are more than happy to play the race card out of their own ignorance.

This sentence

"I find that the majority of people I find annoying are all black people, and share the same qualities."

and this sentence

"It's not that I hate them for being black, but I hate them for doing things to piss me off. "

Show a real confusion of thought. You are all ready codifying the 'people who annoy you' (oh sin amongst sins) by color. You are ascribing behavioral 'qualities' to their Blackness. I find you annoying right now, and I can think of lots of folks you share charcateristics with, but this is the internet, so I can't say it's BECAUSE you're a white middle class punk who doesn't understand the privilidges they've been borne into and becuase of his whiteness and middleclassness has a need to resent others for every pettty inconvenience he imagines. Even though you share that quality with a whole lot of a totally statistically insignificant chunk of the white middle class punks I've met. I promise thought, that should I come to hate you, it will be totally becuase of who you are as an individual.

What I mean is, let's say that I am angered and annoyed when someone does such-and-such. I find that more often then not, it seems that other races make up the majority of things that would piss me off. I'm NOT saying there aren't white people that do them too. I'm just saying that if I took a poll, the larger percentage would be of other races.

Do I hate black people? Some, yes. Do I hate white people? Some, yes. I don't think it's fair for me to be in fear over disliking somebody for something they do to make me dislike them in the first place. I feel I'm only allowed to say I don't like someone only if they're white. If I say I show dislike towards a someone who happens to be black, I worry they'll make it a racial thing and I'll find myself in a very bad situation. It's my perception.

I guess your dads characteristically Black behavior doesn't piss you off or inform your thinking very much.

Now you're just putting words in my internet moutn. I never said I didn't hate my dad, and I never said I considered such things to be "Black characteristics."

As for the other movie comments. The screen can illuminate well enough to see the loudmouth bastard sitting right in front of you. And I almost never go to a theatre when it's crowded, so it's easy to tell where the noise is coming from.

Honestly, I respect you and have no problems with you, but I really feel you're just trying to bait me with these comments. And they're working, if only because I feel the need to defend myself and NOT be considered a racist, which is EXACTLY what I've been going on about since this thread started.

It seems like, in general, James is simply getting pissed on and is groping for a target. Did you ever think, James, that it may be your tunnel-vision and your need to concentrate hate on some certain group of people that you produce your own problems. Lighten up. Stress (hate) kills ... that's a medical fact.

I'm not concentrating hate on any specific group of people (except morons). See what I mean? I make an observation that includes something negative towards black people, and now people are saying I'm lashing out irrationally against every black person in sight. That's exactly the kind of think I'm talking about.

A person can't even so much as roll his eyes towards someone who happens to be black or mexican or whatever ethnicity said person is not, without being considered a racist for his observations.

I don't hate or love anyone based on the generalization of their culture/race/whatever. But I can't help but notice that a certain skin color may pop up more often when it comes to dealing with the stupidest and most socially-inept people.

Does that mean I only hate a certain race, or hate someone based solely on race? No. It's an observation, and nothing more.

[VinceZeb]

Vinth is frequently that hard to understand, and he's not black at all. He's a white middle class punk who doesn't understand the privilidges they've been borne into and becuase of his whiteness and middleclassness has a need to resent others for every pettty inconvenience he imagines. If you visit Catholci Samurai, you'll find it' message board populated by equally difficult to understand folks, and I'd wager most of them are white middle class punks who don't understand the privilidges they've been borne into and becuase of their whiteness and middleclassness have a need to resent others for every pettty inconvenience they imagine.

Vinth, back to you. Your religous scholarship has all the quality, logic, merit and deep spiritual searching of an Eric Von Daynaken Book. You would need to be smarter to even realize how stupid you are.

Max, do you act like this when you go out into the world? Honestly, your teeth would have been out on the street in about 5 minutes after I would have the displeasure of knowing of your physical existance.

Tell me about all the privledges I have, Max. Please tell me. I sure as hell don't see them. I don't get special discounts at Denny's. I don't get my taxes lowered. I don't have to pay less for gas. No one is going to hire me to be an astronaut.

My dad was a grocery clerk for 30+ years and my mom is a LPN/PTA. They are white, and they sure as fuck didn't/dont have a privlege package mailed to them every day. I wasn't born with a spoon in my mouth. I was taught that hard work and character gets you ahead in life. "Luck" is something you make for yourself.

You are obessed with this "truth" that white people have this big advantage in life. White people are just like everyone else, Max. They have to work to get somewhere in life. I know it may sadden you, but we do not live in a socalist utopia. I know how much you would like to live in China and see people like me carried off to a gulag and never seen again, but we don't. No thanks to weak-willed liberals such as yourself. Money, skill, personality, ALL of that is the same no matter what your skin tone is. Rappers make it because they have something to SELL and people can PROFIT off of it. Corporate execs make it because they have something to SELL and people can PROFIT off of it. Doesn't matter if they are white or black or whatever. The only people that skin tone seems to be a subject with are race-extremists and guilty white males like you, Max.

You act as if you are so fucking enlightened. You and your moron acolytes on this board spout off little racist jokes in the attempt to try and make me look like a racist redneck. Since you are so "understanding" and "accepting" of "Afro-Americans and other minorities", why don't you do yourself a favor? Come down to East St. Louis for a week. Now, since you understand "the plight" and the "horrors", you and your special ed class should be able to adapt in a day. All the "******s", as your ilk jokingly likes to call them, will just accept you and invite you to have some "soul food", since that is probably the only thing you can associate with blacks.

But I would tell you what would really happen: You and your boys would be scared shitless. You would white-flight your ass out of there in less than a day. And guess what Max? People like you MAKE those situations happen! You want to pander race like black people just need more money! They just need money! Money solves everything! Does money instill innovation, respect, skill, communication, intelligence, and drive? If someone gives me a million dollar check, is that going to make me want to invest it if all I care about in life is getting bigger rims on my ride? You think giving money to people is going to help them out if they don't have the self-control to use it in a responsable manner? Hell, no.

You want to steal from the people who create the wealth that runs our country and give it to people who don't do shit. You want everyone to slum so they know about the "privledges" they have. You want to DRAG everyone down. People like me want to give them the ability to LIFT THEMSELVES up. People like me are what the country is slowy becoming, Max. The Democratic party is dying. The Republican party is making hedway in your battlegrounds. The Libertarian party is rising. Face facts, Max, you are the loser.

And speaking of my message board, I have a lot of people on there who disagree with me. I welcome them. Have you ever seen my board? A lot of people have different opinions that I have, and that's the way it should be. I actually go out on the net and in life to talk to people. People who are different than me. People who disagree with me. I like to have what they call LIFE experience. You love to exist in your echo chamber where the other uneducated rubes of this message board and your other elitist hideaways pat you on the back and say "Wow, Max, you are so smart! Your job is so important!" I get patted on the back as well, but by the MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY.

Face facts, Max. If we were having this conversation in life, I would have had you on your knees bitch-slapping you in front of your family while you sat there and took it.

[mburbank]

You like the way folks you are. You don't like the way other groups of folks are. They like the way they are. They don't like the way you are. Simple, basic tribalism and VERY hard to rise above. It's also scary.

I'm not saying it's not an issue. I'm saying that if people of good faith in all tribes don't make a serious effort to think things through instead of raising their hackles and brandishing clubs at each other we have a permanent stalemate. Vinth thinks we didn't evolve from primates, but on the oter hand, he accepts this kind of tribalism as basic and unchangeable human nature.

Race relations are never easy and they're very tense right now. If a movie screen illuminates a small group of people and one of them is your own dad, even if all the rest of them are black, I'm pretty sure blackness can't be involved. So stop concerning yourself with the blackness.

As to your desire to express your anger at behavior that annoys you for fear of being thought a racist, When I was kid, I suffered the same fear of expressing my anger but the people who would have beat the shit out of me would have done it because I directed my anger to them. They were all as white as me, but they'd have happilly beat me to a pulp. People are awful, and where race isn't present, they'll cluster into potentially violent groups along other lines, and find other compelling reasons to justify beating the shit out of each other. This is the human condition, and while difficult I suggest struggling against it. I think Race is a convenient way for us human/baboons to define tribes, but we always find a way. You can't make anyone else fight that tendency. You can fight it yourself, and while I may not be Catholic, I think this is our moral obligation, and what jesus was talking about in the sermon on the mount when he said "Love your enemy".

[VinceZeb]

The only thing I wanted to understand in that elitist babble was the fact that someone would want to beat your ass. Well, put me first in line.

[Zhukov]

"And speaking of my message board, I have a lot of people on there who disagree with me. I welcome them."


I post on your message board, I disagree with you, why don't you welcome me? I only posted regarding your "article" and someone elses "article". All I get are insults about how stupid I am. :(

You state that you don't care what I have to say, then blame me for ourageous casualty rates.

"Idiots with beliefs like you are the ones who have slaughtered 100 million+ people in the last decade.


"A lot of people have different opinions that I have, and that's the way it should be."

But then you say that people with opinions like me should have bricks thrown at them so that they slip into comas. :(




EDIT: but hten agian "Calling someone "stupid" doesn't mean they are stupid. If I called a dog a cat, it doesn't make a cat."

[AChimp]

I post on your message board, I disagree with you, why don't you welcome me? I only posted regarding your "article" and someone elses "article". All I get are insults about how stupid I am. :(
Zhukov, you are acting like you expected something else. Vinth and his ilk are too busy complaining about how hard the world is on them and whining about what freedoms they should be entitled to.

Anyone else is an idiot who should not vote (because afterall, they are what is keeping them from getting what they want).

[Vibecrewangel]

James -
Have you ever heard the phrase "If you go looking for trouble it will find you"?
I think to some extent you are doing something similar. When someone bothers you, you seem to be looking to see what race that person is. If you do that, it is likely you will overlook or quickly forget the ones that don't fit what you are looking for making the ones you are looking for seem disroprtionate by comparison.
At the very least, you should stop lumping individual events into race oriented groups. Take each as the stand alone event it is.
BTW - do you live in an area that has a high percentage of blacks and hispanics as compared to whites? 'cause numbers make a difference too.
I don't necessarally think you are racist. But for whatever reason you LOOK for race when something bothers you. I think you need to ask yourself why that is.

[mburbank]

My goodness, Vinth, your blood pressure! Why are you so upset, did I strike some sort of nerve?

And again, you can't even imagine a discussion as anything other than an argument, and you can imagine winning an argument without 'bitch slapping' someone in front of their family! Honestly Vinth, you truly need to think about this. Are you using steroids? Do you have rage issues? Why are you so full or rage and hatred and ugliness? Are you compensating for something?

I'm sorry, Vinth, but you are as middle class as I am and the only reason you don't know it is because you all you can think of his how hrd your life is. If I'm so full of hte, why do I find my life so comfortable? Why do I take time to actually work for charity through the VA? Is it to drag the rich down? Here I thought it was to help folks worse off than I.

And yes, I've been to your message board, and it's a very nasty place where like minded neanderthal contest to see who can sound more like alpha male ape. It's sad.

"I actually go out on the net and in life to talk to people. People who are different than me. People who disagree with me. I like to have what they call LIFE experience."
-Vinth

No you don't. You like to yell at people and call them names and talk about whipping their ass and cumming on their face. That's real life, if you live in a direct to video prison film.

I really 'talk like this in real life'. In fact only when confronted by someone like you, and then I talk exactly like this. My teeth? Still in my head. I guess no one out in the real world is the king dog you are. I'm sure if you put down your He-Man comic you'd whip my ass right now. My experience, in the real world, which I have navigated for about tiwce as long as you, is that most people think a lot less about violence than you. I can only assume that in 'real life' you are nothing at all like you are in writting. I cannot imagine you graduating, taking tests, holding a job or existing in society if you are even remotely like your posts. I think your web person is merely an aping of radio show jargon, and not a very good aping either. I think you are far more impressed with yourself than I could ever be and the reason I make you have such hissy fits is I not only refuse to accept your 'intelligence', I 'show' you to be an ugly, mean spirited, preening faux bully. You infer I think highly of myself, but find some quotes where I've said as much. I'll find a few pages of you telling the world how wonderful your brain/penis is. Just because I think you are an idiot (and I 'back' my 'shit' up) doesn't make me an elitist. I don't even generalize you like I do Naldo. I don't think of you as representative of aany group, political or otheriwse. You stand out amongst idiots, you are a singular case.

I enjoy mocking you because it makes you dance like a monkey. I don't want anything sexual to happen between us, dominant or otherwise, I certainly don't want it to take place in front of your family, and lord knows I don't want to make you dress as a woman and take you out in public. This is more than enough.

[VinceZeb]

Nice response, Max. I started to yawn halfway through it.

[mburbank]

People yawn because of lck of oxygen to the brain. You should yawn a whole hell of a lot more often.

[VinceZeb]

Wow, Max. Are you wishing I would suffer irreversable damage or death? Man, it just have taken you a while to get the guts up enough to do that!

[AChimp]

Vinth... no...

*just shakes head in amazement*

[James]

Words

That is all very true to an extent. But keep in mind all of this is a matter of self-relfection and though from watching American History X. It's not like I do go out thinking, "How many of these damn darkies are gonna piss me off today?"

This whole thread, and my responses to it, are all based around that movie making me think about things.

[Vibecrewangel]

IMHO - that's what a good movie or book does......makes you look at yourself.

[Anonymous]

oh max I hope you don't think any less of me for the following biased generalization but...


godamnit I fucking hate people from Connecticut!

[The_voice_of_reason]

Tell me about all the privledges I have, Max. Please tell me. I sure as hell don't see them. I don't get special discounts at Denny's. I don't get my taxes lowered. I don't have to pay less for gas. No one is going to hire me to be an astronaut.

Oh come on Vince. I'll hire you to be an astronaut.

[mburbank]

Oh my God Vinth, you are such a retarded clambake it defies description! You ALMOST make me feel bad for making fun of you!

People yawn because of a lack of oxygen to the brain.

I suggest you yawn MORE often so MORE oxygen gets to your brain, you stupid, stupid, stupid, mook.

I am suggesting that your AMAZING lack of comprehension is due to you not getting enough oxygen to your barin. Yawning gets more oxygen to your brain. I was saying your brain needed more oxygen to function well. It was a joke about your stupidity and how yawning more often might yhelp you be smarter becuase it would get more oxygen to your brain.

YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT YAWNING ENOUGH STUPID. YOU SHOULD YAWN MORE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR YOUR STUPID, OXYGEN STARVED BRAIN!

know my joke didn't have any jizzing on faces in it, but it was REALLY A SIMPLE JOKE!

[Cybernetico]

oh max I hope you don't think any less of me for the following biased generalization but...


godamnit I fucking hate people from Connecticut!


I speak on behalf of jamesman as well when I say;

HEY!


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This thread has become an arguement rather than discussion. It's the lack of diplomatic resolutions that create racism. I'm not saying that all people should be the same, free will is what makes life so great as well as what makes the lives of those without free will so horrid.

Example, in Japan there is a class system. There is one here but (i dunno how to explain it, but) it's not physically there, but rather an idea. So in Japan, marrying a lower class person is forbidden, strictly. There have been countless stories of couples from different classes who's families have threatened to never speak to them again if married, and the couples commit suicide. Without free will, life is a real drag.

But some people take free will as an excuse to acting immoral. Even though it makes life better in most ways, almost complete free will is degrading our society. People are taking free will as an excuse rather than a right. I think people should not be allowed to do some of the things they do (i.e. gangs and stuff) because it may make them happy, but degrade our world slowly. In China people's morals and ethics are based of the ideal of thinking of the "group over yourself". And because of this predictions say they will overpower the USA (military-wise [I made that word up]) in 50 years or so. So no, free will is not always good. Racism should be a means of free will, though using it in violent and unethical acts should not be. Discussing it as we are now is ok.

[AChimp]

In China people's morals and ethics are based of the ideal of thinking of the "group over yourself". And because of this predictions say they will overpower the USA (military-wise [I made that word up]) in 50 years or so. So no, free will is not always good.
You suck, dumbass.

Asian collectivism has nothing to do with a lack of free will. It's based on their cultural values.

So what if "in 50 years" China will have a bigger army? What does that point have to do with anything in the rest of your argument? You seem to think that it'll be a bad thing if another country ends up with a bigger army.

Nationalism is a form of racism, you boob. Chew on that.

[James]

oh max I hope you don't think any less of me for the following biased generalization but...


godamnit I fucking hate people from Connecticut!


I speak on behalf of jamesman as well when I say;

HEY!


Not really, no. I take the things Doopa says with a grain of salt for a number of reasons.

[AChimp]

She told you again that she'd never love you, huh Jamesman? :(

[James]

No, I told her.

[mburbank]

I wonder why Vinth let go of this thread? Probably not yawning enough.