Why does everone here seem to hate Linkin Park?

[Immortal Goat]

Just curious. I happen to like them a lot, and I wonder how you can hate them. Please post your opinions.

[Rongi]

They have nothing to offer that I haven't heard a thousand times

And they suck. That too

[Bennett]

whiney guy screaming

+

whiney asian guy trying to rap

+

the same boring limpbizquick riffs

=

teh suck

[Kurodo]

The lead guy is in the hospital for extreme abdominal pains. :)

I used to like them, now I don't. :eek

I guess it's because they don't even write their own music, and because they're all (the songs) about the same shit. "OMG IM SO DIFFERENT WATCH ME BE DIFFERENT THAN ALL OF YOU." :/

[KevinTheOmnivore]

They are the coolest.

[Immortal Goat]

Thank you, Kevintheherbivore. They do write their own music, too. I have the CD Meteora, and it came with a "making of" dvd that showed the whole ceative process, including them writing lyrics.

[Rongi]

:lol

[Kurodo]

:lol

[Rongi]

:lol

[Schimid]

:lol

[The Retro Kat]

Man, linkin park sucks because they have the same god damned chords over and over again, and they have crappy ass singers, and suck genuine nuts. They just don't make good music.

[Ninjavenom]

They're too whiny for me.

[wreckreation]

This level of elitism is really funny. It really separates the men from the boys in know how about music. I work at a college radio station and i can play a linkin park track and have everyone thinking it is aphex twin. I can play another one and appeal to the ever growing screamo crowd. They might be simple, but TONS of musicians use very simple methods. They might be pop, but you guys are way too fast to call anything pop, bad. Simply comparing them at all to limp bizkit is proof that you haven't really heard much by them. It's pop and no one denies it, but overall sound is what matters right? Meteora is a strikingly diverse album with world sounding songs using a bamboo flute to IDMish sounds on another track and posi-angst that is energetic but not goth or pretentious or even that whiny.

[Protoclown]

THE MATRIX SUX :lol

[Grazzt]

Two words: Mr. Hong

[Immortal Goat]

It's Hahn, actually, Grazzt.

[Rongi]

Wreck made me LOL :(

[Schimid]

You know what that means!

:lol

[Secret Agent Vomit]

THE MATRIX SUX :lol

[Helm]

Linkin Park is good brainless music. Nothing challening there. I can listen to them like I can listen to Sum 41, or Britney Spears.I just don't confuse it with music that actually takes some effort to appreciate and understand.

As far as the sincerity of the emotion conveyed goes, I have doubts.

[wreckreation]

Does sincerity matter that much? How many artists actually are sincere? How can you even tell?

SHould music be challenging in regards to ability to play? I admire ability, but i just as much admire overall sound, regardless how it is obtained.

as far as "music that actually takes some effort to appreciate and understand", why should music recquire anything of the audience? Thats pretentious bullshit to enjoy something because you have to be in the know. Certainly being in on a bands story makes a new element to their music, just as with a novel, but no one judges a fiction novelist on their sincerity, it's apples and oranges.

Linkin Park doesn't even try to lie about their sincerity. However tons of bands with strong followings totally lie about it. Sincerity shouldn't equal quality anymore than undergroundness should. Sincerity and freshness are just facets of the whole entertainment scheme.

[Rongi]

I don't hate LP because of their image or anything like that.

I just don't think they sound that great :/. It's all icing and no cake.

[Helm]

Does sincerity matter that much? How many artists actually are sincere? How can you even tell?

Sincerity matters to me. Not many. Can't be sure, but honest feeling usually translates well over lyric and music. That's partly the point. Not the case with the music I've heard from LP.

SHould music be challenging in regards to ability to play? I admire ability, but i just as much admire overall sound, regardless how it is obtained.

Wasn't talking about technical chops. Was talking about how conventional music is, and in which ways it sets about achieving whatever goal it sets. I appreciate music that doesn't rely on too many genre cliches, that's all. Not saying that everybody must do the same.

Thats pretentious bullshit to enjoy something because you have to be in the know.

I didn't suggest needing knowledge. I care for music that doesn't 'dumb it down' for the audience, and I appreciate music that doesn't go out of it's way to be accessible to a large demographic by default. You're reading too much into what I'm saying. LP do have aspirations that I do not approve off, judging by their music and thus are of little interest to me, when not judged by more demanding standards that those of inane pop music. Their lyrics are base and their arrangements hypnotically symplistic. They make me sing along and nod my head, but I sometimes require more of the music I listen to than just that.

[wreckreation]

No, i think you are reading too much into it. Your all metal diet i betcha has you thinking of LP in metal terms when they are obviously a cross genre job. They have a fucking dj. The lyrics are totally screamo. Maybe they play guitar, but it doesn't make it metal, or even metal inspired. Listen to "session" and then post. It's totally aphex twin inspired. In the same spirit, lots of electronica acts choose to use simplicity of design and build around a catchy rift. Take daft punk, the most repetitive shit ever and it is great. Daft punk has been on mtv too, does that make them bad? Linkin Park isn't trying to be all guitar, it's just you who listens for that portion of the music.

In regards to sincerity, there is no way to know if any band is sincere so the idea of even trying to judge is flawed. Do you really think all those metal bands really are half as hard as they act? At any rate, same as mentioned above, LP has a different objective, and you're reading too much into it calling them on sincerity when they are obviously not caring. They are from SoCal for fuck sake. How sad can they really be in their mansions and sunny all year round.

[The_voice_of_reason]

Do I need a reason to hate Linkin Park? Can I just hate them for no reason? Do I need a reason to not like their music or can I just hate them unconditionally?

[wreckreation]

do you want anything you say to be valued? too late.

[FS]

If I wanted to see a little blonde boy lament about his failed undertakings, how he needs more space from his girlfriend and how he needs less space from his girlfriend... I'd watch my psychiatry session tapes again. NYUK NYUK NYUK!

I hate Linkin Park. Their asinine "my life's so hard" lyrics clash with the facts that 1) they're young and 2) they're succesful popstars, causing me to find them humorous at first and soon irritating.

Papa Roach infuriates me too. :(

[wreckreation]

So now only the handicapped and homeless can make music?

[Jixby Phillips]

WHAT ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT

[Grazzt]

Fuck man, I just don't like them. Is it possible in your eyes to just not like a band?

[FS]

So now only the handicapped and homeless can make music?

Only if they're both.

That's why I listen exclusively to Legless Carl & the Bums with no Bums.

[kellychaos]

Fuck man, I just don't like them. Is it possible in your eyes to just not like a band?

Exactly. Musical aesthetics are subjective. You listen to it and you either like it or you don't. Your judgement could be based on any number of criteria but an "opinion" can never be wrong because it's true to you. I think that when you start talking about a band's sincerity, though, you're going beyond the realm of what's provided in the music. What you call sincerity can be faked easily enough.

[wreckreation]

the sincerity thing does have some basis. I mean, the original point of music was and still is to convey emotion. When i hear say N*SYNC i don't hear any emotion so it follows that the sincerity would be important. If someone just doesn't like a band, thats fine, but with such massive media acts i'd assume that almost everyone could come up with a reason either way for their opinions.

[Anonymous]

I like N'Sync. I don't like Linkin Park. I just think their music sounds shitty.

Yup.

[Rongi]

I just fucking hate Linkin Park. They sound like shit. I don't give a shit what you have to say about them wreck, I just don't like them.

[Cybernetico]

Heh, I read page one and when I switched to page two and Rongi had 1 more on his post count :)


Anyhoo, I'm on niether a positive or negative side of Linkin Park. They are just like any old distant band that matters very little to me. I thought they were ok, but now they've disappeared, even meteora isn't being played in school and etc. like the older one.

[Rongi]

Cybernetico, I find you very funny and interesting. Please continue to post :)

[Secret Agent Vomit]

I just don't like them because they're white. :/

[wreckreation]

"I just fucking hate Linkin Park"
"I just don't like them."

get your shit straight you fucking moron. I am not suprised at all you put in your 2 cents because you totally think you know lots of interesting things. I don't see why you even bother posting on music when you had no idea about radiohead's pre kid-a stuff. But at any rate, hating and not liking are different. If you don't like them, thats fine, but hate without reason is foolish teen angst in the way only limp bizkit sings about.

[Rongi]

I'll say anything at this point just to shut you up about Linkin Park.

[wreckreation]

you're a pathetic little kid. I only read your posts to LOL at (not with) you. Anything you ever say will at best be supplementary to the real conversation.

[Rongi]

I aim to please

[Rongi]

I love you wreck, not sexually ( no offense or anything, but you look like a rejected backstreet boy ) though. I love you because I always know what you're going to say when I say something to you. It's cute :)

[Immortal Goat]

Rongi, I may not agree with you on Linkin Park's quality, but I do agree that you have the right do dislike them for any number of reasons. I was simply asking those people out there that DO hate Linkin Park to enlighten me on their reasons. I did not expect such a heated debate over what is important in music. O well, nothing I can do about that now...

[wreckreation]

lol, nice to see your confidence runs deep enough for you to make fun of the pictures of me you haven't seen in a cliche sexual joke. The passing off as cute and loving the percieved enemy thing is cliche too. I see you've been paying attention to words sometimes, but that doesn't make you intelligent or even clever. lachey at best.

[Rongi]

My point exactly :lol

[Skulhedface]

SWORDFIGHT!

I liked LP's first album a bit. I didn't listen to it religiously though... I'd say a 6 on a scale of 10. The second album?

We're going into negatives there.

[wreckreation]

MY point exactly. :lol :lol






... :lol

[Protoclown]

THIS THREAD IS TOO CONTROVERSIAL FOR ME NOW GUYS :/

I AM BOWING OUT







WE NEED A "BOWING" EMOTICON

[Protoclown]

OH, GOD DAMMIT :bow

>:

[kahljorn]

No, You have no right to your own opinion because Wreck has an opinion :(

Linkin park=POWER CHORDS. Want to say their music is good? POWER CHORDS. And when they aren't playing power chords, their fucking picking sucks. They have an occasional song that has decent work on it(picking wise, they don't play shit but powercords), but it's nothing spectacular, there's 5 smillion other bands out there with the same ability or more.

lol. it cracks me up to think people think their guitarist is a guitarist :( it looks like he barely even has a year of experience.

[Rongi]

Now he's going to ask you why bands have to have talent to sound good :lol

[kahljorn]

They don't, I would rather listen to the thousands of bands that sound exactly the same because they all used GUITAR FOR DUMMIES to write their songs.

[wreckreation]

That's just one instrument out of the whole band. It really amuses me how ass backwards people can get in their mentality for searching for "good" music. I agree, the guitar player just uses easy ass stuff. If you want to hear talented guitar, listen to someone else. However, power chords are still good, and mixed in with the other elements they have i think it is a fresh, positive angle on the typically fuckign crap rock/rap/industrial blend genre. I don't like the rap very much, but at least it isn't too annoying. it's kinda catchy sometimes. I liek the main vox, i like the composition, i like the production and i applaud the diversity out of such a pop album.

[kahljorn]

That's the thing, they don't have anything else. Just power chords, and "Open Roots".
The drummer is anything but good. And if they even HAVE a bassist I'm sure they aren't fantastic, go look at some tabs.

Just remember, the thread was entitled, "Why do people hate lincoln park", so don't take things so personally.

[wreckreation]

I am not taking it personally. I am doing a little thing called "critical thinking".

Last time i listened to LP i noticed they don't even have guitar on a lot of songs. Nor drums being played by a drummer. A LOT of their songs are almost completely programmed. So there is another element for you. The whole "dj" element i think is kinda lame since he just scratches, but the programming is good. They have a bamboo flute in one of their tracks. Thats cool! It's not just a gutiar player and a bassist and a drummer and a singer. Majority of the music is programming like an electronic act. Then they play over it with whatever they want. In light of this i am not surprised that the guitar player isn't the greatest.

[kahljorn]

I bet the guy doesn't even scream good, it's probably distortion. And programmed music... you ask why we hate?

[Helm]

Didn't we already have this thread twice over already?

I guess I'm going to turn my back on this and let it be ignored. Sorry.


Edit: This is not a new thread, it's an old thread coming back :(

[wreckreation]

"I bet the guy doesn't even scream good"
bet? listen and find out.

"And programmed music... you ask why we hate?"
yeah i ask. Lots of good music is composed on computers. do you really dare to say that all programmed music is crap?

[Dole]

You're part of their Street Team, aren't you?

[wreckreation]

LP RULEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!111
http://www.backstage-fashion.com/linkin_park_stx07.jpg
http://www.videoclipstream.com/akamai/h-l/linkinpark/images/banner_fourfinal.jpg

[The One and Only...]

I hate LP because they SUCK!!! :)

[kahljorn]

"yeah i ask. Lots of good music is composed on computers. do you really dare to say that all programmed music is crap?"

Umm, yes. That's exactly what I say. I bet during concerts he lip syncs. And this is the first LP hate I've been involved in..

[wreckreation]

man you're a moron. You should get your head out of your ass and explore some different genres of music. There are so many good electronic acts that are mostly programmed except for a keyboard and vocals and maybe a moog or theremin.

[noob3]

What makes a moog not a keyboard?

[Helm]

A moog is a keyboard last time I checked :/

[crash0814]

Feeling very passionately about the talent of Linkin Park myself, I thought I would throw in my two cents, wanted or not. I do not like Linkin Park. I don't really have a particular reason for it. I just really, really don't like them. But however, I want to talk about some of the complaints people are throwing against LP. First of all, to the person who says that Linkin Park just uses power chords: hundreds of great songs (and albums for that matter) were constructed mainly out of power chords. Take Nirvana for example. Most Nirvana songs are four power chords played over and over again. Don't even claim that you dislike Nirvana (if you do, I will be forced to rip out your intestines and force-feed them to your mother while she's being anally raped by my trained monkey). To the person who says that all programmed music is crap: I'm just going to say Radiohead and leave it at that. Well, on second thought, you probably don't like Radiohead. Oh well, discard that point. Shit. My argument's kind of fucked now. Oh well. Music is a subjective thing, and different people will always like different music. I just don't like Linkin Park. I happen to like the Pixies. And Primus. And Ween. And Mr. Bungle. And Pavement. And Sonic Youth. And the Smashing Pumpkins. And Nirvana. And Jane's Addiction.

[DecapitatedHate]

I never liked linkin park to begin with, but what made me hate them was when I read an atricle on the guitarist. It was just like any other interview, but then he said something like "I try to make the sickest, most disgusting guitiar riffs as possible", that's pretty much when I started to hate them.

"Don't even claim that you dislike Nirvana."

I don't hate Nirvana more than Linkin Park, but then again that's not saying much...

[wreckreation]

good contribution crash...

and i said a keyboard and vox and maybe a moog or a theremin.

so i meant in addition to a keyboard and vocals. but also, moog makes other stuff too, moog even makes theremins.
but anyone who knows about keyboards knows there is a big difference between analog and digital. hence moogs and their ilk are much different than a synth or something.

[noob3]

Nirvanna sucks, dude. They're just one huge rip off of all the cool underground stuff that came around in the 80's. Kurt played power chords because he sucked, and he knew this. And that's why he killed himself, because his band wasn't as cool as The Melvins. Or something.

[The One and Only...]

Feeling very passionately about the talent of Linkin Park myself, I thought I would throw in my two cents, wanted or not. I do not like Linkin Park. I don't really have a particular reason for it. I just really, really don't like them. But however, I want to talk about some of the complaints people are throwing against LP. First of all, to the person who says that Linkin Park just uses power chords: hundreds of great songs (and albums for that matter) were constructed mainly out of power chords. Take Nirvana for example. Most Nirvana songs are four power chords played over and over again. Don't even claim that you dislike Nirvana (if you do, I will be forced to rip out your intestines and force-feed them to your mother while she's being anally raped by my trained monkey). To the person who says that all programmed music is crap: I'm just going to say Radiohead and leave it at that. Well, on second thought, you probably don't like Radiohead. Oh well, discard that point. Shit. My argument's kind of fucked now. Oh well. Music is a subjective thing, and different people will always like different music. I just don't like Linkin Park. I happen to like the Pixies. And Primus. And Ween. And Mr. Bungle. And Pavement. And Sonic Youth. And the Smashing Pumpkins. And Nirvana. And Jane's Addiction.

All of those bands suck. Especially Nirvana. Thus, your point is void.

I hate LP because they're posers, not because of the music itself. The band acts all hardcore, but they're music is really, really weak and light. A kid with a chello could make more hardcore music than they have.

[crash0814]

YOU suck. And on a side note, it's cello, you fucking retard.

[kahljorn]

"Take Nirvana for example. Most Nirvana songs are four power chords played over and over again."

Most Nirvana songs are Single-picked, that is what Nirvana is danceable for. And yes, they do use alot of powerchords, part of the reason most people use Nirvana to learn to play. Also part of the reason they suck.
It just so happened we were discussing their TALENT and SKILL. TALENT and SKILL. TALENT and SKILL. I think repeating myself is necessary in cases like these, where playing powerchords is considered some kind of an ungodly skill few men are blessed with.
Radiohead is electronic. That's great. There are a few differences between Radiohead and Linkin Park though, namely being the Vocalist has TALENT and SKILL. Also he doesn't sing about completely lame ass crap that some stupid ass Writer probably hired by the producing company probably made up thinking how to make horny 12 year old girls wearing their first training bra to feel safe and happy and shed a few tears while staring at a picture of the lead singer when listening to Linkin Park.

I love the Melvins, King Buzzo is fun.

[kahljorn]

"There are so many good electronic acts that are mostly programmed except for a keyboard and vocals and maybe a moog or theremin."
Like Britney Spears, and the Backstreet Boys. I should diversly trot upon the Genre, for sure. But I do have to admit, I love Supposive metal that is completely programmed and never even uses a guitar, bass, or drums, that is the best metal ever. I completely agree with you. Even Rock is Good when almost all of the songs are programmed, such metal rocking jazz dancing skills. How hardcore.


"man you're a moron. You should get your head out of your ass and explore some different genres of music"

You should get your head out of your ass and stop thinking that just because you like something means everyone else should. All I was doing was discussing their skill and talent, what the fuck is your problem? Not taking this personal? Do you sit up late at night jacking off to portraits of the band or something?
I haven't even sunk so low as to say shit like, "I hate linkin park cause they are posers", so you must be taking your lack of musical taste(talent wise) as an insult to your person.

"A kid with a chello could make more hardcore music than they have."
Alamaailman Vasarat is Cello Music, so is Rasputina. Alamaailman has some straight up Death metal Cello songs, it's crazy. Rasputina is considered, "Gothic Music".

[wreckreation]

My whole goal in this thread is to dispel all the BS reasons people have for "hating" LP. If someone just doesn't like them i am fine with that. If someone is specifically into a certain kind of music, i am fine with that too. However, i wanna challenge the idea that music has to be hard to play to be good and that all pop is bad by definition. The only reason i started posting in this one is how immediately everyone just laughed. I wanna challenge that because i think a lot of people haven't given them a chance just because they are pop.

[kahljorn]

"If someone just doesn't like them i am fine with that. If someone is specifically into a certain kind of music, i am fine with that too."

"The only reason i started posting in this one is how immediately everyone just laughed. I wanna challenge that because i think a lot of people haven't given them a chance just because they are pop."

"and that all pop is bad by definition"

E? Okay, well, I don't like them, not only because they have no talent, but also it doesn't excite me. It doesn't make me "Feel" any "Emotion". All it makes me feel like is turning it off, and I think it has accomplished it's duty quite well.

[crash0814]

Well, how does one define pop? Is pop anything with a catchy chorus? A lot of quality bands could be described as pop then.

[DecapitatedHate]

I thought pop was just short for popular