Terminator 3

[Protoclown]

Holy shit! This movie is getting good reviews! :eek

http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/terminator3/

I'll be seeing a matinee on Friday. I DO want to see it, but I won't pay full price for something as sketchy as this.

[Professor Cool]

Ebert gave it a thumbs down! :(

[Jebus]

I just saw it.. it was ...pretty good. The ending is a bit dissapointing.

[ScruU2wice]

Yeah i thought it was the best movie ever. it was the best one for the story is actually falling together, and every scene was full a shit load a action

[Protoclown]

So is English your second or third language?

[ScruU2wice]

3rd

[ScruU2wice]

really my bad english doesnt make a difference in me since im typing and all. its my A.D.D ridden min-holly crap the chik terminator is so hot....

[Spectre X]

:lol :rolleyes

that was a bad joke. >:

[ScruU2wice]

sorry

[Spectre X]

that was a bad reply, but, you are forgiven. :|

[Anonymous]

from the clips I've seen even arnold sucks in it

[Zero Signal]

I just got back from seeing it.

WOW.

I absolutely loved it. The ending disappointing? I am not going to post any spoilers, but my reply to that is, "Hardly".

The action scenes with the crane and the vehicles was FUCKING AWESOME.

And do NOT let the idea of a model as the Terminatrix destroying the movie. She is perfect as the killer.

All in all, I was extremely pleased walking out of the theater this afternoon. My expectations were understanably high, and I feel that they were met.

:party

[Professor Cool]

I bet he dies again!

[punkgrrrlie10]

Maybe they will make him the governor of the robots.

[ScruU2wice]

or maybe the president...

[Poxpower]

When we saw the preview at the cinema, a guy laughed. He had a funny laugh, so we laughed to.

The only reason I'm going to watch it is because one of my friends who I don't see often wanted to go see the Hulk with me, so I said "Hulk was bad, I already saw it, let's watch T3 instead"....so we can get it over with.......

[SLjimbo]

:eek

I'm surprised, I thought this one was going to bring shame to the Terminator franchise. I'm gonna be seeing it Friday night.

[The_Rorschach]

Liked the beginning, liked the ending.

Disliked the T-XC or whatever she was called. She's supposed to be a machine right? An uber killing machine. . .So why is it she walks everywhere, in high heels, as slowly as possible? Furthermore, I thought John Conner was a putz.

I appreciated that they brought Stan Winston back for the special effects, he added alot of continuity between the first and third chapters, but I still think the future scenes in the first movie blew away those of the second and third installations.

But. . .Claire Daines! Was I the only one who didn't expect to see her in the film?

Over all, I would say it was better than X-Men 2, better than the Hulk and better than the Matrix Sequal. . .But not a movie I could watch more than once. It's not going to be a timeless favourite like The Usual Suspects, The Sting or Pi.

[pjalne]

I'm obligated to hate it by default since the girl who plays the terminator is from a part of my county which has a feud with the part I live in. Well, it's a mock feud, so I'll just mock-hate it. Unless I find a completely different reason to hate it.

[ScruU2wice]

Liked the beginning, liked the ending.

Disliked the T-XC or whatever she was called. She's supposed to be a machine right? An uber killing machine. . .So why is it she walks everywhere, in high heels, as slowly as possible? Furthermore, I thought John Conner was a putz.

I appreciated that they brought Stan Winston back for the special effects, he added alot of continuity between the first and third chapters, but I still think the future scenes in the first movie blew away those of the second and third installations.

But. . .Claire Daines! Was I the only one who didn't expect to see her in the film?

Over all, I would say it was better than X-Men 2, better than the Hulk and better than the Matrix Sequal. . .But not a movie I could watch more than once. It's not going to be a timeless favourite like The Usual Suspects, The Sting or Pi.

all the terminators walked reallly slow, but john conner is a dumbass. And matrix had a better story and everything else

[Comrade Rocket]

i don't know this one.

The reason i liked the first one so much is because that Arnold seemed like a machine. He was just mechainc.

From everything i've seen he doesn't seem so robotic.

oh well i'll have to see for myself.

[ItalianStereotype]

I liked this move. a lot.

I think Arnold actually played the machine role quite well in this one. he was very cold and emotionless, more so than in T2.

I'm a bit torn on the Terminatrix. the character has a lot of potential, but they didn't expand much on her and she also didn't seem quite as determined as the T-1000. her abilities were nice though, but we weren't able to see much of her extremely broad arsenal.

I would see it again.

[noob3]

SPOILERS AHEAD:

Why didn't she take the form of Arnold and kill them? She could turn into anything she touched, and she certainly touched Arnold.

Boom, bam. They would have been dead. They would of saw him, she could of shouted "I'm back!" and they would of sighed in relief. And then she could of decapitated them or something. It would have been sweet. I thought robots were smart? Or are those the MALE robots?

[Protoclown]

I saw this yesterday and I have to say I was fucking surprised as all hell to discover that this movie KICKED ASS.

I absolutely loved it, the ending was awesome, the interesting twist with the T-101's character was fucking cool...and it's nice to see that all the time paradox stuff that was created in T2 is now fixed.

Definitely a worthy movie, completely better than I ever hoped it could be.

[executioneer]

they FIX the paradox stuff in T2?! This I've got to see >:

-willie

[Anonymous]

Yeah, it ruled.

And he says "GET DOWN!" twice.

talk to the hand

[Jebus]

SOMEWHAT SPOILERS AHEAD:


Did any of you notice all the lines that they used to fill in plot holes. The one where the chick is like "hey look, a plane, it's the one I train on." or the "my mom died of leukemia." And the line that bothered me the most "They look like blast doors" "HEY, I THINK THIS GIANT CONTROL PANEL NEXT TO THE DOORS MIGHT DO SOMETHING."

[noob3]

You're an idiot.

[Otomite]

I thought the ending sucked, but hey, it sets up for another movie, HOPEFULLY IN THE DAMN FUTURE. I want to see some damn battles in the post-armageddon world.

Anyway, I still think Terminator 2 is the best one of all.

[Protoclown]

I'm wondering what exactly about the ending left people with a bitter taste in their mouths? Personally, I thought the ending was the best part, and it was the best ending of the three films, in my opinion.

[Zomboid]

it was the best ending of the three films, in my opinion.

I haven't seen it, but are you kidding? How can anything be better than the ending of t2?

[Protoclown]

And just what was so spectacular about that ending?

[Zomboid]

If you don't get it, you don't get it. Maybe listening to the voice over at the very end would help you appreciate it a bit more?

[Protoclown]

No, I "get" it.

Too bad Terminator 3 completely negated it in the most awesome way.

[AChimp]

WTF. The ending voice-over to T2 sucked. It's always bad when they try to attach some deep meaning to an action film. :(

[Mockery]

When I think of the "ending" of T2, all I think of is Linda Hamilton kicking ass with a shotgun and Arnold being lowered into the fire pit. So yeah, the "ending" of T2 absolutely ruled as far as I'm concerned.

[Zebra 3]

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>: - But she ain't in T3 though![/center:f836c76498]

[Zomboid]

WTF. The ending voice-over to T2 sucked. It's always bad when they try to attach some deep meaning to an action film. :(

Ok, but it wasn't just and action movie. If you're someone who sits and gets excited when he sees something blow up and that's all you got out of it, fine, but I liked how he was almost more than a machine.

[Zomboid]

Ok, I saw it and wasn't really disappointed because I didn't have high expectations anyway. It was decent but nowhere near as good as 1 or 2. Arnold had way too much "funny" sh*t to say so he came off as unintimidating and was a lot better in t2 (I'm not mentioning 1 cause they're so different but he played both really well). The tx kinda sucked cause the only thing she had going for her was the ruthlessness. Even that's just something ahnuld pulled off better in the first one. She looked like she was trying too hard to be like robert patrick in t2. The new john was ok but it didn't seem right. Claire danes was pretty good though.

The ending was pretty good I guess but still not as good as the ending of 2 >: . The action scenes kicked ass and were almost as good as t2's (and that's saying something). Meh...I'm tired so no more commenting tonight.

Edit: And the kick ass soundtracks of the first two are ignored for it and instead there's plain shit.

[Protoclown]

I disagree completely about the ending. I feel that the bleak ending of T3 is far superior to the hopeful ending of the 2nd one.

[ScruU2wice]

do u think theres gonna be a sequal to this one? cuz if there is itll be completely different from the others due to the lack of the human population

[CastroMotorOil]

The ending was great, and it sets up a 4th movie perfectly. And yes the 4th movie will be very different as it will hopefully not involve time travel. Also maybe john conner will actually be badass in the 4th.

spoilers

The best action part was when Arnold attaches the crane's hook into the sewer grate and it fucking rips the thing in half and flips it. Fucking awesome scene.

[Blackjack]

HaHA! I've been at an Entertainments conference just outside London and I got to see this movie on Thursday at a special preview screening. I mean, they searched us to make sure no-one had any cameras, phones or what have you. Three weeks before the rest of Britain gets it. I feel so special.

In one word:

Appalling .

Oh sure, the CGI was cool and sequences like the crane were breathtaking, but there were far, far too many unforgettable errors, horrble dalogue and other grating problems that just had me with my head in my hands.
I've been writing a review for the site already, so here's a few extracts:

Ok, first gripe:
There's no music. Seriously. The opening credits (after about half a dozen producer logos) are devoid of any interest whatsoever. T1 had the cool, metallic percussive melodies as the names of the actors and crew were typed out like on the Terminator's HUD, and T2 Had the awesomly powerful scenes of burning playground swings and the like, with the equally powerful T2 Theme. T3? The credits flash up, and that's it. I'm serious!
And it gets worse! There's no music during the film save for a few Lord of the Rings-esque Orchestral hits for "atmosphere" but even that fails miserably. T1 had the cool 80's synth and T2 had the heavier scores, but T3? NOTHING. No pumping soundtrack in the chases, or the fights, or anything. What the hell is going on?
But the biggest crime music wise, without a doubt, is the character's individual scores. These help set the mood and identify with the chracter, an absolite key necessity in a film like this. T1 - Arnie got that metallic percussion beat, and Reese had the synthy melody, both of which worked extremely well. T2 took it heavier, as Arnie got a similar metallic tune but with hints of a sort of mechanical breathing like some artificial beast of steel. T-1000 was even better, that sinister droning tone that put the fear of God into the viewer. T3? NOTHING. What the Hell is going ON? Can you believe that you don't even hear the Terminator theme UNTIL THE CLOSING CREDITS!!?!?!?

Gripe number 2:
T1 and 2 was arranged as a series of set pieces. To begin with the two time travelling protagonists work to find the target "Just a matter of which one got to him first" as it were. T1 then has the disco shoot out and car chase, then the cop station shoot out, the motel bit followed by the finale. And you know, when Arnie gets his skin burned off that this really is the last few moments of the film. T2 had the mall fight and subsequent Kenworth truck Vs Honda Dirtbike chase, the mental hospital, Cyberdyne and then the finale with the weakened T-1000. T3? Much harder to clarify. There's the traditional stalking section, a fight, "that" scene with the crane, some random chases/shootouts, then a scene with the creation of skynet. There's no real finale to speak of - even the killing of the Terminators is done very "matter of fact-ly." It's terrible and nothing short of an anti-climx, which for a blockbusting, CGI laden action fest is a very, very stupid idea indeed.

Yeah, nit picking indeed, but that's exactly what I felt.

How did those remote controlled cars manage to push the gas pedal or pull handbrake turns? Why didn't the blast door crush Arnie? How did T-X escape the magnetic core? And most importantly of all, if Skynet is now on the internet (Wargames?), why doesn't everyone just turn of their computers? And equally, nuking the world will just destroy all the computers around the globe, thus killing Skynet.

And so on. And so on. People, we need to fucking boycott sequals like this so Hollywood can shape up and bring us some quality entertainment.

KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!

[El Blanco]

Spoilers:

BlackJack, I really don't care about music, so I won't comment on that.



How did those remote controlled cars manage to push the gas pedal or pull handbrake turns?

Suspension of disbelief. Or maybe they had that much electronic equipment in them.

Why didn't the blast door crush Arnie?

Two thoughts on this.

a) the small nuke blast blew up the door.

b) All we saw was his skull at the end, so who says the rest of him wasn't crushed?

How did T-X escape the magnetic core?

She cut through it and disconnected it.

And most importantly of all, if Skynet is now on the internet (Wargames?), why doesn't everyone just turn of their computers?

No one except the people who were on the base (all dead) knew what was happening.

And equally, nuking the world will just destroy all the computers around the globe, thus killing Skynet.



Not if Skynet inffected computers burried inside mountains, like NORAD Central Command in Colorado Springs, or computers outside the EMP of the blasts.

People, we need to fucking boycott sequals like this so Hollywood can shape up and bring us some quality entertainment.

That way, we can get more overhyped, pretensious, pointless drivel like Matrix: Reloaded.

[Zbu Manowar]

Spoilers aside, can anybody give me a good reason to see the film? Because the trailers are showing a naked Arnold beating up a stripper to get his gear and with him putting on those star glasses just about make me lose my freaking lunch. No wonder Cameron decided to take his money and run. Jesus Christ.

[El Blanco]

Unlike the Matrix Reloaded, in which anything remotly physical was done by cgi, T3 actually made the actors and doubles do real stunts. The action sequences look much tighter. And it has just as little plot without the pretension.

[Zero Signal]

Unlike the Matrix Reloaded, in which anything remotly physical was done by cgi
Not. :rolleyes

And for the record, Carrie Ann Moss did the motorcycle scene herself. It was neither CG nor a stunt double. Same for the Keymaker.

[Blackjack]

Oi, Mr Blanco:

Remember T1, Arnie gets crushed by a piddling little hyraulic press? I think a huge military blast door is going to weighmore and have more powerful motors which would crush even Arnie, doncha think?

My point about the T-X in the core is that it was never explained how she escaped proper. A T-X vs Arnie helicopter chase would have ruled too. But no, they opted out of that one.

And I still think having Skynet as a global network is a stupid idea. In T1 Reese mentions "Their Defence Grid was smashed" implying a central computer. And T2 "In a panic, they try to pull the plug."

So there. I can be a bigger Terminator nerd than any of you!

[MLE]

the chojin says:
um, they did try to pull the plug.

maybe the screener you saw was just that, a screener, and was missing stuff. because it shows you exactly how TX gets off the magnet.

[El Blanco]

And I still think having Skynet as a global network is a stupid idea. In T1 Reese mentions "Their Defence Grid was smashed" implying a central computer. And T2 "In a panic, they try to pull the plug."


SkyNet could have built itself a central command center in the future.

As for the "pull the plug" line, it could have been just an expression. It could mean they tried to execute a delete command.

Also, that company from T2(TeleDyn?) built the original SkyNet. Maybe after it's destruction, the military decided to go with an all software version and still call it SkyNet.

A T-X vs Arnie helicopter chase would have ruled too. But no, they opted out of that one.

Maybe they didn't want to use cgi as a crutch like Reloaded did. You know, actually make an action movie.

And for the record, Carrie Ann Moss did the motorcycle scene herself. It was neither CG nor a stunt double. Same for the Keymaker.

Wow. She rode a motorcycle for 2 minutes. That sequence still looked like a cartoon. It is a shame, because I think the first one is great, and that sequel fell well short.

[Ninjavenom]

Haha, i've never seen all of T1 or any of T2, so the movie was fuckin' awesome for me. :P

[Zero Signal]

Wow. She rode a motorcycle for 2 minutes. That sequence still looked like a cartoon. It is a shame, because I think the first one is great, and that sequel fell well short.
Two minutes (it was longer than two minutes, but I digress) weaving in and out off traffic as well as oncoming traffic with a lot of narrow misses. You make it, albeit ignorantly, sound like she just drove down a deserted street. But I guess anyone can drive a motorcycle like that, right? :rolleyes

Wow, they used a lot of CG in the movie? I guess they should blow up a power plant for real, right? Or perhaps they should build actual working sentinels or ships; maybe even put people on top of moving rigs and have a fight, too. There was a lot of CG in the first one, too. Let me make this clear for you:

INSIDE MATRIX IT IS A COMPUTER WORLD. SO THE RULES OF THE REAL WORLD DO NOT APPLY. THEREFORE, CG MUST BE USED TO CONVEY THE IDEA.

Was this something you completely missed?

So, how did it look like a cartoon? :rolleyes

[Zomboid]

Haha, i've never seen all of T1 or any of T2

From now on, you have no opinion.

[noob3]

You still don't have enough opinion to invalidate anyone's opinion, Zomboid.

[Zomboid]

You still don't have enough opinion to invalidate anyone's opinion, Zomboid.

Well then I guess I'd better make a bunch of threads dedicated to blackflag...or I can tell everyone how I'm feeling. Does that still work?

[El Blanco]

Two minutes (it was longer than two minutes, but I digress) weaving in and out off traffic as well as oncoming traffic with a lot of narrow misses. You make it, albeit ignorantly, sound like she just drove down a deserted street. But I guess anyone can drive a motorcycle like that, right?



Oh, I was unaware she rode down Highway 101 during rush hour. I was put under the impression it was a closed set with model and cgi cars and backgrounds. I'm sure you are right and she was doing all that stuff for real.

Wow, they used a lot of CG in the movie?

They used too much. It was a crutch. The first one looked better because they knew how to use it in moderation.

I guess they should blow up a power plant for real, right?

I don't have too much of a problem when the powerplant blew up.

Or perhaps they should build actual working sentinels or ships;

Or build models and animatronics.

maybe even put people on top of moving rigs and have a fight, too.

they did it before cgi. And it looked good.

There was a lot of CG in the first one, too.

But, it was done properly.

INSIDE MATRIX IT IS A COMPUTER WORLD. SO THE RULES OF THE REAL WORLD DO NOT APPLY. THEREFORE, CG MUST BE USED TO CONVEY THE IDEA.



Not entirly. The first one used a moderate amount of cgi, mixed with old fashioned hollywood effects (wires etc) and camera tricks. It look brilliant.

that scene in the first one in the lobby with the guards: wires and high speed film with squibs in the walls. The cgi didn't happen until the explosion. That looked 10x better than the chase scene in Reloaded.

So, how did it look like a cartoon?




When they relied on cgi when there was no need for it.

Lets talk about the scene that really pissed me off, Neo flying.

In the first one, flying represented the fact that Neo was beyond the rules of the matrix. In Reloaded, it was a cool way to get around. Not to mention, instead fo Keanu Reeves in a harness with wires, they went with some very shoddy looking cgi. Why the downgrade? Why did Neo go from the One who understood the Matrix and was above its rules, to a whining little bitch who didn't know the first thing about who or what he was.

there was no difference between Neo and Morpheus, except Neo could get around on his own.

I'm not even going to touch Neo vs Smith.

If I want to watch a movie with a bunch of animated charecters with the occasional human droning on, I'llwatch "Who Framed Roger Rabbit".

[Protoclown]

And I still think having Skynet as a global network is a stupid idea. In T1 Reese mentions "Their Defence Grid was smashed" implying a central computer. And T2 "In a panic, they try to pull the plug."

My understanding of that was that originally, Skynet actually DID have a central core computer, but after the events of Terminator 2, history changed due to the inevitability of Judgement Day.

The way I comprehend it, once you have killer cyborgs coming back in time from the future, then you are pretty much LOCKED into that particular timeline. Despite all the potential possible futures out there, once cyborgs started coming back into our timeline, then our timeline became locked into a future course where the events that allowed those cyborgs to come back in the first place were destined to happen. Otherwise, you have a gigantic paradox on your hands.

I liked that the movie was trying to say that once you know your future, there is no escape from it. After Cyberdine systems was destroyed in T2, the timeline had to "adapt" to make way for the necessary future and protect its own stability.

That's how I see it, anyway. Time travel shit is always going to be confusing since it's all still theoretical conjecture anyway.

[Spectre X]

El Blanco, you're an idiot. That freeway chase scene was with real cars and only used CGI when it was absolutely neccessary. Those were all real cars in most cases, i.e. the bike ride. It was a 2.5 km. long set built especially for the movie and those cars were real.

So, yeah, it's damn hard to do that scene with real people.

[ScruU2wice]

first of all i think you should make a new thread if all your gonna do in the T3 thread is knock or praise the Matrix. secondarily the first matrix was far superior in integrating the realism of the fighting and such, the second used the same type of CG that was used in the first episode of the animatrix which makes it look entirely unreal. but the development of neo's character is important to making him special from the rest of his predicesors, so he really has to be a whiny bitch to build the story.

[Blackjack]

Ahh, good thinking Proto. The whole timetravel thing has always been a paradox - kind of a chicken and egg scenario. I don't want to keep bouncing this network idea around beacuse it's clear opinion is cery divided on this. And besides, the idea sucks.

Ok, all I saw of T-X escaping was a one second closeup of a small saw hacking through the magnetic core. That's it. Did she get Arnie to help her or something? I suppose I may have seen a different cut to the offical stateside release, but only time will tell.

Right, the last Matrix point, to end all Matrix points. Trinty rode that Ducatti ON AN EMPTY ROAD, a purpose built freeway set in the desert. When riding against the traffic they just CGI'd the oncomng cars. So there. Please stop talking about The Matrix