FINAL FANTASY

[Jebus]

I'm playing my first ever FF game...numero 7. Hopefully it lives up to what everybody always builds it up as.

[Ninjavenom]

You won't be disappointed.

[James]

FF7 is the second worst FF game, in my opinion. But the worst FF game is still a masterpieces. I just didn't like it as much as I liked other FF games.

And you know a game is too easy when you beat the final boss by accident. And you know a game is too boring when you have to spend 2 hours leveling up one Materia so you can use Fire 2.

[Ihach]

Leveling up is a part of any FF game, you gonna say 3 was boring just because you had to lvl to survive? 7 is an awesome game, and one of, if not the best in my opinion

[James]

I'm not talking about leveling up. I'm talking about AP for Materia. the system was a decent idea, but the length it took to develop Materia was too long, or the enemies later on gave out too little AP.

[Ihach]

You need to learn where to level mister >: Level in the crater, and BAM, massive AP. in conclusion, im right and your wrong, cuase i said so :)

[James]

Even the guys in the Crater didn't give you much, aside from the rare red blobbies. And you needed Triple Growth on your weapons/armor.

I was in there for about 2 weeks, trying to get 3 Mastered Knights of the Round alone in order to go after the WEAPONS. I finally gave up and fought them (killed them).

So stop acting like you are more of a FF master than me. >:

[Ninjavenom]

Yeah, mastering the large stuff you rarely use becomes a major pain in the ass. I've only ever mastered one summon, and that was Bahamut.

[whoreable]

1, 2, 3(snes ones) were by far my favorite. honestly i didnt really enjoy 7 that much :/
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[Ihach]

i just mastered 4X cut twice to beat the weapons....and i dont claim to be a big master of the game, but if your trying to master knights of the round twice, your gonna have to expect it to take a long ass time, it is a one hit kill spell on pretty much everything....

[whoreable]

i never even got knights of the round. i missed so much shit in that game :( but then again i was pretty tried of it anyways by the time i beat it.
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[Carnivore]

Everybody from the old board already knows my opinion of Final Fantasy VII. I consider it to be the greatest console game ever.

[Ihach]

now thats a view i can respect carni, its one of the finest rpgs ive ever played, and i would agree one of the greatest console games ever released

[mew barios]

i thought ff7 was ok. but the weird culty fanworship that surrounds it for some reason makes it really creepy. :/

the only ff that i still like to play on occasion is the first one. so that's how much my opinion is worth. :o

[MrAdventure]

YALL GO PLAY SOME WIZARDRY NOW :)

It's hard to beat losing your entire party due to decapitation. :(

[timrpgland]

VII is great, the story is so fucked up in a good way.

VI is still the best.

[James]

Like I said, I like the game. I just don't like it as much as 9 other FF games. The Materia system was a decent idea, but the needed to lower the amount of AP needed.

But let's not make this into another FF7 thread. Final Fantasy is the best series of all time, and everyone should play every game in the series.

[Ihach]

Ill agree with that Jamesman, the reason theres so many FF games is so the fans can argue about them, but this thread is about jebus' descent into the wonderful world of FF

[James]

Too bad he had to start off with such a piece of shit as FF7. ;)

[D3k]

Too bad he had to start off with such a piece of shit as FF7. ;)

Could've been worse... he could've started it with FF: Mystic Quest. :goth

[James]

That reminds me, I have to play my rom of that sometime.

[D3k]

That reminds me, I have to play my rom of that sometime.

Dear god NO!!! :puke

[kinot]

Final Fantasy VII was a very excellent game. But I would have to say is that part 6 was better (slightly)... It was more epic and had a lot more characters (with plenty of character development)... Better music too

[ItalianStereotype]

hell, i thought 7 was great. i dont know if it was my favorite...9 was my least favorite. i dont know why everybody bitches about leveling up so much, i never level up completely. i beat both weapons and sephiroth and i didnt have a SINGLE master summon...

[Carnivore]

http://www.streamdog.co.uk/red/Mane/Art/FF7/ff7group.jpg

Greatest console game ever!

But I can't say anything bad about any other games in the series either. They're all excellent. I just prefer VII. Coolest settings, excellent characters... mostly (I hate Cait Sith), incredible music, and greatest villain ever!

[Tropical]

Tifa :love

[James]

FF6 and 7 Spoilers (and don't quote this):

I don't get why everyone praises Sephiroth. He seemed like a pretty tame villain to me. I mean, he created a psychic projection of himself to retreive Jenova and kill Aeris, but that's nothing great. The whole time he was in the frickin Crater. The only thing he actually did was set Nibelheim on fire. Woo-frickin-hoo. And his final form(s) were beyond easy. Like I said, I beat him by accident (I was trying to see his Supernova attack, which he still has yet to show me).

Although he does kick ass in Kingdom Hearts.

Now Kefka, THERE'S a villain. He overthrows the Empire, kills Ghestal and General Leo, enacts genocide on the Espers, poisons a kingdom's drinking supply, and possess the powers of the three statues, plunging the entire WORLD into ruin, with his very own tower in the center of it all. And his final form is 4 different bosses (you had to beat one after the other, no pauses).

All Sephiroth did was sleep in a crater made by his mommy. Pussy. >:

[Ninjavenom]

Sephiroth was planning to destroy the world, and make himself god. The only difference between him and other villains is that he nearly succeeded. Plus he looks cool. If you'll notice, also, it wasn't really him who was the mastermind behind the plans, it was Jenova. That's why Jenova's arms move during the Bizarro Sephiroth fight. I had a whole Thesis paper someone wrote on the story and symbolism of the game that mentions it. It might not be true, but it comes closert to explaining everything than anything else i've read. I'll look for it today and see what i can turn up.

[Zbu Manowar]

Why is everyone dissing Mystic Quest? If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't have bothered paying full price for FF6/3 or even the best Square game of all time, Chrono Trigger.

[timrpgland]

Sephiroth isn't the villain, Jenova is. Through the whole game, Cloud and Sephiroth are controlled by her "puppet hands." Only difference is Cloud broke out of it.

This is the theory you are talking about I believe, I posted it on the old boards

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PhilipTerpolilli/ff7.htm

Oh and Manowar, Mystic Quest is being dissed cause it sucked. Who cares if it got you to play "good" games. Some people were already playing good games.

[Zbu Manowar]

I didn't suck, it was simple. And once you got that down at least you could go into any RPG worth its salt and know what you were in for and how to battle and whatnot. Unlike FF1 which was nothing but a novel for a manual and a bunch of settings which didn't need to be. Not a game to launch a successful series.

[timrpgland]

At that time I was playing FFII (IVjapan). FFMystic Quest doesn't even compare. Sure I played it, doesn't mean I came out saying I enjoyed it.

[Ninjavenom]

Yeah, that's the one. Thanks tim.

[Zomboid]

Hey assholes, let people know of SPOILERS next time, please. Jamesman, thanks for doing that.

AND FF6 IS THE BEST! NOTHING BEATS IT. NOTHING!

[Malevolent]

Everyone has an opinion on the matter and mine is well known.

I wish I knew the total sales figures to date for Final Fantasy games, though. I do know that VII sold over 500,000 copies in less than three weeks :/

[James]

If you'll notice, also, it wasn't really him who was the mastermind behind the plans, it was Jenova.

If that were true, then Jenova would have been the final boss. But she did play a major role on the side of "bad people."

[r00zTr]

FF7... everyone either loves it or hates it. It was the RPG that got me really interested in RPGs, so it meant a lot to me. It was the first RPG that I really got REALLY into... or something.

[Ninjavenom]

You'd think so, Jamesman, but the game proves you wrong. Safer Sephiroth is the even more integrated form of jenova into Sephiroth, so they become one complete unified being. Bizarro is when he is just entering the complete phase. Notice that in the very final battle bewteen cloud and Sephiroth, that Sephiroth dies so easily? It turns out all of his power was coming from jenova, and he was truly no stronger than Cloud was. i think you should read the article Tim posted, (be warned, it's long as hell) because it explains all of the imagery and metaphor and story, in a much less confusing way.

[Zomboid]

Red owns any other game character, ever >:

[James]

Ninja. Jenova aided to his power, but he was still the one acting everything out. He wasn't just Jenova's puppet.

[Captain Robo]

To me, the best parts of the game involved the music

The "Boss Battle" theme (Still More Fighting) was all the :rock and One Winged Angel is the coolest piece ever.


But Jamesman is right, the AP system took so damn long.

Fuck, I only mastered Choco/Mog, Raiko-or whatever the hell it was, and Bahamut.

KOR took so long. I still haven't got it past the second level :(

Ultima should have been more powerful though... and I hated how you couldn't do more than 9999 damage (that's why some limit breaks are gay)

[Captain Robo]

In the final battle with sephiroth, I let him hit me and it brought me down to one from 9999 health.

That fucker is not weak.

Safer Sephiroth was frickin cool.

[James]

Get out of this thread. >:

[Ninjavenom]

In the second battle we face Bizarro Sephiroth, a monstrous form
of Sephiroth that symbolizes Sephiroths conversion with Jenova. Look very
carefully at this monster. In the torso area, we can clearly identify
Sephiroths face, but look on top of the monster above Sephiroth, at the
head, and you'll see Jenova, her two tentacles dangling in front of
Sephiroth. Watch the monsters movement when it attacks. Jenovas two
tentacles lift and begin dangling over Sephiroths head, like a puppeteer
controlling her favorite puppet.

In the third battle, the most difficult of the four battles, we
face Safer Sephiroth. This angelic form of Sephiroth is highlighted by
its monstrous wing where it's right arm should be. Note the colors of
this wing, blue, white, reddish brown, and black, exactly the same
colors that the three Jenova monsters spread through out the game
consist of. This battle is the one that gives us the true indication of
Jenovas afformentioned power of illusion, hence the ridiculously long
Super Nova summon spell which shows a comet tearing through planets
before detonating the sun, causing a super nova which eats up the rest
of the planets. Also, take note of the translation of the final lyric
in the aria sung during this piece.
"Come, come, o come,
Do not let me die
The winged one of the lower reaches"

In the fourth battle, Cloud fights Sephiroth face to face,
without the power of Jenova to contend with...and utterly slaughters
Sephiroth. Yet, Sephiroth seemed so strong during the game. How can he
be this weak? The answer is simple. Sephiroth seems weak because
Sephiroth is weak. He is merely a puppet of Jenova, hence the
revelation of the true villain of Final Fantasy VII.


Jamesman, buddy, that's what puppets do. They act out the will of a superior, controlling being. And you're thinking of the third battle, robo. The final one is when you're on a brown, rocky plain, and you use your final limit break against him.

[James]

You people REALLY need to black out spoilers. :/

For most of the game, you are chasing her down. Where do you chase her to? SEPHIROTH! She is not the main villain. She may have been the main force, but she is not the main villain. Sephiroth's the one that used Jenova to lure Cloud to the Crater, where he could take the Black Materia. Sephiroth is the one using Jenova's aide to increase his powers, and to help his "mother." Sephiroth is the one you're dealing with.

[Ninjavenom]

I guess it's more a thing of view, than anything else. I believe that the link Tim posted covers everything in the most sensible way (except the numerology, that's just coincidential bullshit), so i believe that to be right. Instread of trying to explain to you my view, i once again refer you to the link.

[James]

http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/final_fantasy_vii_plot.txt

I like this one better.

[Ninjavenom]

That one's not too bad, but i think the e-mail about the Aeris Resurrection theory is full of utter shit. To me, it's absolutely clear that she was meant to stay dead.

[timrpgland]

It's all opinion, I guess, but the way the story reads I agree with most points in that theory I posted.

*SPOILERS AGAIN*

Jenova was behind the scenes. Sephiroth had no real power as you can see from the ending when Cloud just ripped him a new one when Sephiroth no longer had Jenova helping him.

Cloud and Sephiroth were "puppets" of Jenova. One thing would be like in the beginning when you are about to destroy that Mako Reactor and all the sudden Cloud raises in the air as to imitate a puppet. Then writing comes on the screen telling him are you really sure you want to do this? or something to that effect. That is Jenova. All the wierd voices, Jenova.

Sephiroth really was just a figurehead.

The whole time Cloud was fighting against Jenova overcontrolling him (all the wierd Cloud mental breakdowns). Sephiroth just gave into it. Which made him quite the badass but at the end, destroyed him.

[James]

Well, I still say Sephiroth was the main villain. There may have been higher powers at work, but he was the one you were dealing with the whole time. He fell into the Lifestream, and lay dormant in the Crater for 5 years. Doing so allowed him to amass power and knowledge from the planet.

Using this power, he was able to call Jenova and project a psychic manifestaion of himself (possibly, as it could have been Jenova). Doing so allowed him to lure Cloud and the gang to the Crater. He was the one doing it. If anything, Jenova was HIS puppet; serving her son.

And if you really want to nitpick, you could say Hojo was the main villain, based on your reasoning for saying Jenova was. But the fact remains that no matter who the most powerful person may be, you were still dealing with Sephiroth.

Besides, there is no FF game, to my knowledge, that doesn't have the main villain as the final boss.

[timrpgland]

Like wev'e said, there are different views. One thing that is great about FFVII, its fucked up story.

Too bad the FF series has gone downhill since.

[James]

Whereas I feel FF7 was a lowpoint in the series, and things have only gotten better.

FFX made me cry. :tear

[ItalianStereotype]

FFX made me cry. :tear

it might not have been such a good idea to share that with everybody...

ff7 was the first ff i really got involved in. i actually WANTED to beat this game because it was so great.

[James]

Oh, I don't care. FFX was very powerful in its performance. And it was sad. :(

[timrpgland]

Only FFs (in the actual series) that stick out as great are FFIV, FFVI and FFVII.

FFV being close.

FFVIII-FFX were ok rpgs but definately not great. IX being the best out of those 3.

The original FF was good too but pretty basic since it was the first. Haven't played 2 or 3 for Famicom/NES.

[James]

FFX's graphical improvements and voice acting gave the characters so much more feel to them, and the story was wonderfully done. It was beautiful.

In fact, FFX is my second favorit FF game (6 being the first).

And unless you're a die-hard FF fan, stay FAR FAR AWAY from FF2.

[Ninjavenom]

I preferred seven because it had a much grittier feel to it. Most of that comes from Midgar, cause it was dark, metallic and soulless, just the way i like it! :love

[Zomboid]

I preferred seven because it had a much grittier feel to it. Most of that comes from Midgar, cause it was dark, metallic and soulless, just the way i like it! :love
AND A NICE PAIRA TITS! ;)

[Skulhedface]

Concerning Jenova:

Jenova was Sephiroth's source of power. possibly Cloud's too, but as far as Sephiroth being Jenova's puppet.. DID YOU FORGET that Sephiroth was insane?!? And that HE had the desire to become a God? Jenova was a means to an end.

As far as VII being the best of the series... I'd say that only if I meant it in the same respect as "Empire Strikes Back was the best of the Star Wars films" if you look at it in the way that FF VII had the biggest tragedy (Aeris is dead! Oh no!) You could say the same for FFVI, because Kefka destroyed the world, but the only character that dies is the soldier in Mobliz. And Shadow too, but that's only if you don't wait for his ass.

The BEST FF is indeed VI, for too many reasons to list (and for the sake of not being repetitive) But as far as what started me on the FF series, it was IV (II in the US). I got that the day I got my Super NES (WAY back in the Christmas of '91 if memory serves) and I've been hooked since.

And Kefka owned over Sephiroth. What other villain in ANYTHING actually succeeded in destroying the world?

[James]

There are a handful of characters that died.

General Leo, all of Doma Castle (including Cyan's wife and son), Shadow, the soldier in Mobliz, the Moogles, Daryll, Rachel, King Figaro, Gau's mother, Vargas, and probably a couple more.

Not all of them were big players in the actual game, but they all had an impact on the story and characters.

[Skulhedface]

Yea, I was just going off the top of my head.

But (Leo notwithstanding, he was playable for all of 5 minutes without game genie) Aeris was the first character you could play as for more than half of Disk 1... maybe that's why.

I STILL think VI is the best. I loved how it suddenly became non-linear in the second half and that there was no TRUE central character.

[r00zTr]

I preferred seven because it had a much grittier feel to it. Most of that comes from Midgar, cause it was dark, metallic and soulless, just the way i like it! :love

Yeah, I loved the look of FF7. Each area had it's own mood, most of them being kinda dark(Midgar slums, Nibelheim), others being bright and cheery(Gold Saucer, that one beach resort town, forget the name). The music added so much to it.

[ItalianStereotype]

i have to vent this somewhere :explode

on ff9 i just played for almost 2 hours without saving (incredibly stupid, i know, but i wanted to see how far i could go without it) and i just got killed by a book. a motherfucking book. dont get me wrong, its a tough book. a magical book. with really sharp paper that it throws at you. but still, its a fucking book :(

[James]

I know the feeling. Not from FF games, but from Vice City. And it really does suck.

But now you're fired up. You're gonna go back through (saving this time), and you're gonna show that motherfucking book who's the boss. >:

[Ihach]

i dont think id play through 9 again, i didnt enjoy it that much, and zidane was pretty crappy as a main character, he didnt have that cool factor working for him

[Skulhedface]

That'd probably be why EVERYONE seems to agree that FF9 is the worst (read: not as enjoyable but still fun) of the FF series.

But then again, I AM playing through it again right now.

[timrpgland]

No, not everyone.

[Skulhedface]

ehh. I just found it VERY hard at first to get into FF9, and it's the only one I haven't played through more than a dozen times. That's why I'm playing through it again, I basically forgot everything in it.

By the way, Metal Slug rules. I just wish I could find it on MAME or something.

[OxfordSparky]

I think we need to set some shit straight.

FF8 causes cancer.

That said, FF7 was fantastic. That whole plotline file Jamesman linked to (I think it was him) can really expand your enjoyment of the story. 8 I couldn't force myself through; I got a few hours into it and hated it. 9 was cool in a retro sort of way, but the storyline was kind of silly (it seemed like you were going place to place for no reason, Lufia 1-style.) And 10 was a fucking movie that wasn't very good. When you make it to the last boss and kind of stop caring, it's not a good thing. Now they're making that asinine sequel where they hunt magic balls and have guns and shit; it sounds like someone is playing a joke on the gaming community.

[ItalianStereotype]

hey, thats great! i will let you know when anybody here gives a fuck!









hmmm...not yet

[James]

Pretty much, IS.

Oxford, if you don't understand FFX-2, then you are as stupid as your opinions lead you to appear to be.

[Zomboid]

I'm really starting to miss people bashing newbies non stop :(

[Anonymous]

FF2 and 3 rocked - the Queen was a bitch in II though.

FF7 definitely was incredible. 8 was pretty good

I dont know what the hell 9 was

10 was excellent once you got past the beginning few hours

[Carnivore]

How much do I love VII? Well, let me illustrate with a story. I got VII along with my Playstation, but there was no memory card! I played for like four hours before dying. Then, I was desperate for a memory card, but it was Christmas! I called friends asking if they had any extras. One of my friend's little brother had one and said he'd sell it to me! I drove to his house right away in a pretty decent snow storm in my mother's Volvo with its crappy rear-wheel drive. When I got there... he didn't quite have my memory card. I strangled him. He was 11 or 12 years old at the time.

Needless to say, I'm more than a bit attached to that game.

Now that's some fucked up shit!

[Zomboid]

That's the level of dedication more people need for games these days >:

[CaptainBubba]

I left my SNES on for over 48 hours when I first played Earthbound and didn't know how to save in it.

You forgot the Espers in your list of the destroyed Jamesman. They were a very essential part of the storyline in FF VI (FF3 in America), which is my personal favorite out of the series.

[Skulhedface]

Yes, but essentially, when you hear people using the "Aeris Dies!" excuse, you're generally (not always, but generally) talking about people that never played the games before VII, or the people that are less impressed with the story than they are with graphics.
That being said, VII was a great game, but VI was so much better on so many levels. I know several people that would want to see them update VI and give it a graphic overhaul onto the PS2 or such. I wouldn't be against it, but it'd be hard to get used to, after all, I spent many years playing and replaying it, and it'd be hard to swallow any significant change to it.

::Whew:: And everyone always overlooks FF Tactics. It was a great standalone game.

[James]

I am always pushing for a remake of FF6, putting it in a 3d world, using the style of the original's environment, and the 3D models made with Amano's drawings in mind. I always felt that FF6 was ahead of its time; A masterpiece limited by the power of the SNES.

In the same thought process, this is what usually draws people to FF7. The 3D graphics (although all the characters looked like they were made from Legos) drew people to it. On top of it, the FMVs gave a level of storytelling that helped present the characters and plot in a more "touching" way. If Aeris had died by a SD sprite of Sephiroth walking up behind her, and a word box reading "ARIES: Urk..." nobody would give two shits. But I still feel the story can't hold a candle to the deep and branching plot of FF6.

So yeah, I would love to see FF6 remade (properly), and shine as brightly as it was always intended. I mean, I can envision playing the game like that, based on the models from Anthology. I have it all pictured. And I guarantee that Square would see excellent sales for it.

[Skulhedface]

well, I do agree, but maybe I consider myself a traditionalist. I grew up with FF6 being this way, and maybe, just as they're making shitty remakes of all old cartoons, they might do the same with old video games.

But then, I did love Rygar and SotN and such. And this IS Square we are talking about. The only wrong offhand I can think of that Square EVER did was The Bouncer. Hmm.

I guess I'd be more receptive of it if I ever got to see it and play it.

[James]

The Bouncer ruled. It was rough around the edges, but it was a kickass game. It was basically a playable movie (it only lasted about 2 hours too), with a few alternate story parts. I would love to see a sequel. :(

[Skulhedface]

It was basically a playable movie (it only lasted about 2 hours too),

That was actually the biggest problem I had with it, and to a much lesser extent, FFX.

I loved FFX, don't get me wrong, but it felt more like a movie than a game to me. FFX felt like it went like this:

Movie
Fight
Fight
Fight...so on
Movie
Fight...so on
much longer movie

It was a little TOO linear also. What gives with getting rid of the world map?!?

[Ninjavenom]

I hate ff6 so much, it's not even funny. Maybe because every time i tried to play, i had to quit fifteen minutes into the damn game. Or maybe it was because i didn't get to do much actual playing because of the stupid unskippable cutscenes. >:

[Skulhedface]

Did you mean FFX Ninja? Because that was my biggest problem with part X. It did add to the story, but god damn I want at least to spend half my time PLAYING the story, not just watching it.

[Ninjavenom]

Nope, i meant 6.

[n00bward]

Call me senile or something but I don't seem to rememeber any "unskippable cutscenes" in ff6. Even on the anthology for psx I seem to remember some FMV's but still no "unskippable cutscenes".

[Zomboid]

Ninja....Don't be alarmed when I show up at your house to bludgeon you with an ff6 cartridge.

[Ninjavenom]

I don't mean cgi scenes. I mean when i played, you couldn't skip all the irritating dialogue and shit. Like when you first start playing, you have to watch all the characters keep talking, and by about the fifith time i tried playing, i really just wanted to fight some fucking monsters.

[timrpgland]

that's the worst excuse to not play a great game.

[CaptainBubba]

you couldn't skip all the irritating dialogue and shit. Like when you first start playing, you have to watch all the characters keep talking

You do realize that was the part that made it a "good" game.

You own an Xbox don't you? :lol

[Ninjavenom]

Nope, ps2. It's a shitty excuse, yeah, but i just can't get into that game at all. I even happen to find its art to be atrocious. :/

[timrpgland]

>: :(

[Ninjavenom]

;)