Johnny Depp: U.S. is like a stupid puppy

[sspadowsky]

I got a kick out of this.....

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/09/03/depp.us.reax.reut/index.html

Johnny Depp: U.S. is like a stupid puppy
Wednesday, September 3, 2003 Posted: 1127 GMT ( 7:27 PM HKT)

BERLIN, Germany (Reuters) -- Hollywood star Johnny Depp said on Wednesday the United States was a stupid, aggressive puppy and he would not live there until the political climate changed.

The 40-year-old actor, who stars in the "Pirates of the Caribbean," told the German news magazine Stern he was happier staying in the south of France with his wife, the French actress and singer Vanessa Paradis, and their two children.

"America is dumb, it's like a dumb puppy that has big teeth that can bite and hurt you, aggressive," he said.

"My daughter is four, my boy is one. I'd like them to see America as a toy, a broken toy. Investigate it a little, check it out, get this feeling and then get out," said the star of the off-beat films "Edward Scissorhands" and "Dead Man."

Depp slammed George W. Bush's administration for its criticism of French opposition to the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

"I was ecstatic they re-named 'French Fries' as 'Freedom Fries'. Grown men and women in positions of power in the U.S. government showing themselves as idiots," he told Stern.

[Emu]

Now I really think I should see that movie. :)

[FS]

...said the star of the off-beat films "Edward Scissorhands" and "Dead Man."

Yeah. He's crazy. :rolleyes

[kellychaos]

#1 I hate actors with political agendas. >:

#2. As a celebrity, if you do choose to make your political views known, speak insightfully and specifically about specific points and not in stupid, sweeping generalizations and metaphors.

#3 If you do leave the country esphewing hateful epithets about the country, please stay gone.

#4 I like Johnny Depp's movies. :(

#5 Say hello to Alex Baldwin for me. :)

[mburbank]

That's the last time I rent "Edward Freedomhands".

[mburbank]

That's the last time I rent "Edward Freedomhands".

[kellychaos]

What's Eating Gilbert Puppy? :(

[Jeanette X]

http://www.indianasampler.com/in7.jpg
NO! BAD DOG! >:

[sspadowsky]

1) I got a laugh out of the last two paragraphs. It seems few are willing to speak up and point out the "Freedom Fries" crowd for the fucking idiots they are.

2) No one can tell the guy, "Well, if you don't like the country, get the fuck out," because he already did. Plus, the people who think in that manner are the same fucking dipsticks that say "Freedom Fries."

[kellychaos]

Well, you have to respect him for THAT anyway. That's more than one can say for Baldwin ... who's still HERE! The pretencious (sp?) attitude kind of burns my ass, though.

[Protoclown]

:love Johnny Depp :love

he shares my birthday, omg

[El Blanco]

1) I got a laugh out of the last two paragraphs. It seems few are willing to speak up and point out the "Freedom Fries" crowd for the fucking idiots they are.

OK. Last time. That was one crackpot congressman who got the idea from some diners down South. I think the people still harping on this are fucking idiots.

2) No one can tell the guy, "Well, if you don't like the country, get the fuck out," because he already did. Plus, the people who think in that manner are the same fucking dipsticks that say "Freedom Fries."

No, the big deal is he criticizes American for being an aggressive and violent culture and goes makes Once Upon a Time in Mexico. I hope he takes his kids to see his work.

What is French for hypocrite?

[Ninjavenom]

God, i hate you.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

No, the big deal is he criticizes American for being an aggressive and violent culture and goes makes Once Upon a Time in Mexico. I hope he takes his kids to see his work.

What is French for hypocrite?

Well, if you buy the argument that violent art, cinema, and culture = violent society (which I don't think you do), why aren't countries such as Japan troubled by the kind of crime and high gun violence that we are...?

I don't think he's being a hypocrite at all, at least, not any more than the next guy. Then again, he is just a celebrity, and his opinions shouldn't really carry such magnitude anyway. :/

[sspadowsky]

No, the big deal is he criticizes American for being an aggressive and violent culture and goes makes Once Upon a Time in Mexico. I hope he takes his kids to see his work.

No, dingus. He criticizes the American government/military for being violent and aggressive. Movies are pretend violence. Dropping bombs on real countries is real violence, and kills real people. That's what he's criticizing.

[Perndog]

Since when is it pretentious to say the US government is retarded? People say it here every day, and more people think it. He's an actor, it's not his job to be a politician, but anyone of reasonable intelligence should have the right to criticize politicians. Whether or not we know how to do their job, we as their constituents or even just as bystanders (like Johnny Depp) can tell by the effects of their actions whether they are doing it right or not.

Guess what, dude. Once Upon a Time is a movie. He's not talking about violence in movies, he's talking about dangerous government. What's French for ignorant?

EDIT: this is what I get for getting up to take a piss in the middle of typing a post. :rolleyes

[El Blanco]

He left here criticizing the violent culture. OK? Got that? Did it sink in?

Well, if you buy the argument that violent art, cinema, and culture = violent society (which I don't think you do), why aren't countries such as Japan troubled by the kind of crime and high gun violence that we are...?

Japan has a much higher suicide rate than we do. Although, I doubt that has much to with the violent movie theory.

But, Depp left this country because he claimed our culture was too violent. I don't buy the link, but he claims to. Thats called hypocrosy, kids.

[Perndog]

What the fuck are you talking about. He left here because of our violent society. Yes. He's not a violent person, he's never had a record of violence, and he moved to a pacifist country that hasn't been aggressive in a war for many many decades. What could possibly be hypocritical about that? Idiot.

EDIT: yeah, I should have said government, not society. My mistake. And using that term, my point becomes even clearer. He thinks the US gov't is violent so he moved to pacifist France. Makes sense to me.

[Big Papa Goat]

He was talking about aggressive government policies, not everyday violent soceity.
Were you being sarcastic about few people standing up and criticizing the freedom fries thing sspad? Its such a stupid thing, its easy to criticize.

[mburbank]

Know what I really hate? When politicians talk about entertainment. I mean, leave that to the entertainers, OK? What the hell right does a president have to say wether he liked a movie or not? Is he a fucking actor? No. Presidents should govern the country and if somebodyy ask them in an interview if they liked a movie or not they should just say "How the fuck should know? " Shit, I think it should be a LAW that politicians not say a damn word about anything that isn't about pending legislation or war powers.

[Perndog]

:lol @ burbank

EXACTLY!!!

[KevinTheOmnivore]

I agree with you Max, but I guess a counter-point is that nobody goes and posts it on the Movie & TV board when a politician does give his/her opinion on some medium of entertainment....

We live in a society that tends to do a lot of idol worship when it comes to the Hollywood types. I think we need to just keep in mind that they are merely one opinion out of millions of Americans.

[FS]

Japan has a much higher suicide rate than we do. Although, I doubt that has much to with the violent movie theory.

I don't have all the facts on it, but I believe that in Japan, suicide is a much more acceptable practice than in Western culture.

[kahljorn]

From Hell? Fear and Loathing in Los Vegas? Who couldn't love Johnny Depp. He's hot and plays a degenerate in every film he stars in.

[Abcdxxxx]

His main source of income is still the United States entertainment industry.... the number one tool for Westernization, etc. etc.
At least Molly Ringwald stuck to European films.

[O71394658]

I don't give a fuck what Johnny Depp thinks or says. :)

[Big McLargehuge]

I don't care what you think or say.

[Anti-Xocial]

What is French for hypocrite?

You know what?...hypocrite IS french!

Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: 'hi-p&-"krit
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Old French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritEs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
Date: 13th century
: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
- hypocrite adjective


:lol

[Emu]

#1 I hate actors with political agendas. >:

I hate it when news reporters with political agendas quote actors who comment on political condition to gain attention.

[Miss Modular]

When I was waiting to get my haircut a few weeks ago, I was reading the "Letters to the Editor" section. Some guy was writing in response to an article on Johnny Depp, in which he said that he likes America, but would rather be in France. The person writing the letter said (I'm paraphrasing) that as long as we're watching his movies, he should be patriotic "to America, not France!" I got a good guffaw out of that.

[ScruU2wice]

Depp's opinion shouldn't matter anymore than any of ours. In theory thats how it should work but we live in the real world and celebirties attract attention like honey does to flies. depp shouldn't complain about our country and we really shouldn't chastize his country for not supporting a war. depp's comments really aren't that fact based, and seem to be just malicious and pointless. i really don't think this should be getting as much as it is... :/

[Immortal Goat]

Is Johnny Depp a human being? Yes. Does he have a right to say that Boy George W. Bush is a horrible president and that our country is too aggressive? Yes. That is his right as a human being, as it is France's right as a country to oppose the use of violence in any given circumstance.

Go ahead, tell me to leave the country. Just because I do not agree with the militaristic actions condoned by an escaped mental patient that just happens to be our president does NOT mean I do not love the United States for all that it stands for. I have TREMENDOUS respect for the military (hey, it's not there fault Bush sux), but that doesn't mean I cannot voice my own opinions on this subject.

[Jeanette X]

Go ahead, tell me to leave the country. Just because I do not agree with the militaristic actions condoned by an escaped mental patient that just happens to be our president does NOT mean I do not love the United States for all that it stands for. I have TREMENDOUS respect for the military (hey, it's not there fault Bush sux), but that doesn't mean I cannot voice my own opinions on this subject.
:worship You've summed it up.

[O71394658]

Is Johnny Depp a human being? Yes. Does he have a right to say that Boy George W. Bush is a horrible president and that our country is too aggressive? Yes. That is his right as a human being, as it is France's right as a country to oppose the use of violence in any given circumstance.

Go ahead, tell me to leave the country. Just because I do not agree with the militaristic actions condoned by an escaped mental patient that just happens to be our president does NOT mean I do not love the United States for all that it stands for. I have TREMENDOUS respect for the military (hey, it's not there fault Bush sux), but that doesn't mean I cannot voice my own opinions on this subject.

I have no problem with what you said, or with Johhny Depp. If people want to oppose the United States, I really don't give a damn. That's your agenda, and I'll respect that. What I don't like, and what many others don't like, is people who say what you said, but have absolutely no logical backing for it. People say, "Bush sux da cock" and "War for oil" seemingly because everyone else is. Referring to the United States as too agressive? How? Instead of spouting dumb "America = puppy" bullshit, why doesn't he give a logical conclusion. I'm not saying that's what you're doing at all, I'm just saying this is a reason why many anti-war protestors draw so much heat. I don't view Johhny Depp as any other person. What he says makes absolutely no difference to me, and is no more important.

I'm still going to see OUATIM. :)

[ScruU2wice]

Go ahead, tell me to leave the country. Just because I do not agree with the militaristic actions condoned by an escaped mental patient that just happens to be our president does NOT mean I do not love the United States for all that it stands for. I have TREMENDOUS respect for the military (hey, it's not there fault Bush sux), but that doesn't mean I cannot voice my own opinions on this subject.


That's really courages, goat :)
everyone in america should live like that instead of blindly following the president.

[Blue]

Japan has a much higher suicide rate than we do. Most of the suicides in japan are because of people that fuck up at uni. Academic pressure is extremely high there.

[Zhukov]

I still think they count, though.

[Big Papa Goat]

Count towards what? I don't see what Japans suicide rate has to do with anything, although it is an intersting bit of information.

[Zhukov]

YEAH BUT THEY STILL COUNT >:

[fishmonger]

I'm not even sure why this is worthy of debate.

[sspadowsky]

I'm pleased to see this got the kind of response it did.

I like it when celebrities speak up, even if they don't speak well. It seems to me that when an actor or musician speaks out about something, it's usually controversial, and that fosters real discussion. So maybe when Susan Sarandon or whoever stands up and yells about something, it certainly draws attention to that topic. So maybe that leads some people to stop and examine their position on a subject. And maybe that kind of introspection leads that person to the conclusion that, let's say for an example, "Hey, the current administration is a group of vicious pricks," and then that leads to a new president in 2004. Just, you know, hypothetically speaking.

[kellychaos]

I'd appreciate more if he expressed himself more coherently and intelligently. With much power comes much responsibility. Regardless of how he meant it, he didn't say " the current administration" in his blanket statements about americans. If he truly meant that about americans, than he should learn the old "bite the hand that feeds you" addage. This is where the hypocrisy comes in. I'd like to see his european movie sales vs his american sales. That and the "puttin' on airs" prentensious attitude of an outsider looking in (and down) burned my ass. Know your roots, boy!

[Jeanette X]

A stupid puppy is at least endearingly loveable. :(
http://www.gamespy.com/DailyVictim/VictimPics/PuppyBig.gif

[mburbank]

I'm coming round. I think Charleton Heston should shut the hell up. And Schvatzenegronpk. And Reagan. And that guy who played Gopher on the love boat. And Sonny Bono... Oh, wait, he did shut up.

[El Blanco]

As soon as they enter politics, all celebrities must take a mandatory ski trip.

Anyway, ya, Depp has an opinion and can say what he thinks( he might want to try the last part before he speaks next time), but, so can I. If I think he is full of shit, not only will I say so, I'm gonna back it up.

Also, I can't believe I missed this:

He wants to live in France because it is safer for his kids?

"Hi, Johnny? This is Roman Polanski. I was wondering if you needed a babysitter tonight."

[sspadowsky]

:lol @ El Blanco.

[Bennett]

I don't get it, wasn't roman's baby sprayed across the floor of his house in a bloody massacre?

:lol

[Perndog]

I'd appreciate more if he expressed himself more coherently and intelligently. With much power comes much responsibility. Regardless of how he meant it, he didn't say " the current administration" in his blanket statements about americans. If he truly meant that about americans, than he should learn the old "bite the hand that feeds you" addage. This is where the hypocrisy comes in. I'd like to see his european movie sales vs his american sales. That and the "puttin' on airs" prentensious attitude of an outsider looking in (and down) burned my ass. Know your roots, boy!

The article said "until the political climate changes," so that means he was talking about the current administration and not Americans in general. And it's not the politicians that are making him money, it's the movie goers, and he never bitched about them. Finally, what's pretentious about criticizing a foreign country's government? He used to live here, after all, and I'm sure he's spent plenty of time here since he moved to France. I'd say he's in as good a position to speak his mind as any of us; the fact that we're still here doesn't make us special. Hell, if things keep going the way they are, I'm going to keep on blasting the US government long after I move to Britain.

[O71394658]

Actor Johnny Depp Disavows Anti-American Quotes


LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Denying any anti-American sentiment on his part, actor Johnny Depp (news) said on Thursday that quotes attributed to him as likening the United States to a "dumb puppy" were inaccurate and taken out of context.



"I am an American. I love my country and have great hopes for it," Depp said in a statement released by his Los Angeles-based publicist. "It is for this reason that I speak candidly and sometimes critically about it. I have benefited greatly from the freedom that exists in my country and for this I am eternally grateful."


Depp, currently starring in the swashbuckling film "Pirates of the Caribbean," issued the statement a day after the German news magazine Stern published an interview in which he ridiculed Washington's confrontation with France, where he lives, over the U.S. war in Iraq (news - web sites).


The magazine quoted the actor as saying "America is ... like a dumb puppy that has big teeth that can bite and hurt you, aggressive." He was further quoted as saying he wanted his children to "see America as ... a broken toy" that they should explore, get the feel of, then "get out."


Explaining his comments a day later, Depp he had been using a metaphor that was taken "radically out of context," adding, "There was no anti-American sentiment."


"What I was saying was that, compared to Europe, America is a very young country and we are still growing as a nation," he said. "My deepest apologies to those who were offended, affected, or hurt by this insanely twisted deformation of my words and intent."


His spokeswoman added that the Kentucky-born Depp, 40, lives in the south of France with his family because his wife, actress-singer Vanessa Paradis (news), is French.

[Perndog]

I want to see a full-text interview, otherwise I'm going to stop believing anything I hear from or about Johnny Depp, good or bad. Fucking journalists.



That bears repeating. FUCKING JOURNALISTS >:>:>:>:

[kellychaos]

Also, I can't believe I missed this:

He wants to live in France because it is safer for his kids?

"Hi, Johnny? This is Roman Polanski. I was wondering if you needed a babysitter tonight."

Very nice! :lol

Other celebrities that need to STFU or "From The Takes One To Know One" Files:

Hillary Clinton accusing Bush of breaking promises (i.e. LYING) to keep AmeriCorps going. Since when do former presidential families bad mouth current administrations? I'm not a Bush lover but come on Billary, get some class! >:

[El Blanco]

I love how she keeps blowing up over the supposed cover ups and such.

Hey, Hil, remember Whitewater? Vince Foster ring a bell?

[Daphne]

I'm not a Bush lover but come on Billary, get some class! >:
yeah that was scathing, Smelly Gay-os (LOL GET IT CAUSE YOU CAME UP WITH THAT CLEVER NAME FOR JIXBY THAT WASN'T CLEVER! GET IT!).
Now finish up with a joke about how Ross Perot is short you unfunny cock.

http://www.washspkrs.com/images/speakers/RussellWeb.jpg
YOU WISH YOU WERE MARK RUSSELL, THAT'S HOW NOT FUNNY YOU ARE :)

[kellychaos]

K, LUV U BUB-BYE! :)

[glowbelly]

i wasn't aware that hillary clinton was a "celebrity." it was my understanding that she is a senator, and the former first lady of the united states of america.

i'm thinking that as a SENATOR, it's part of her job to speak up for/against the current administration.

i could be wrong though.

[kellychaos]

celebrity

\Ce*leb"ri*ty\, n.; pl. Celebrities. [L. celebritas: cf. F. c['e]l['e]brit['e].] 1. Celebration; solemnization. [Obs.]

The celebrity of the marriage. --Bacon.

2. The state or condition of being celebrated; fame; renown; as, the celebrity of Washington.

An event of great celebrity in the history of astronomy. --Whewell.

3. A person of distinction or renown; -- usually in the plural; as, he is one of the celebrities of the place.



I'd say it fits whether a person is in the arts or politics, wouldn't you? Anyway, she's not my senator and my disrespect for her increases daily.

My point was that I don't remember any persons from previous administrations bad mouthing current administrations. Think about it. Do you? It's just in poor taste especially as it was an agreement that was or was not made THEN. If she has a problem with what is CURRENTLY happening to the program, then she should address THOSE issues and not dig up old bones.

[El Blanco]

And besides, she became a Senator because she was famous, not because she actually did anything.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

And besides, she became a Senator because she was famous, not because she actually did anything.

Yeah, she really started a new trend here. :rolleyes

Hillary was the president's wife. ENOUGH with the whole "clebrities, or er, people from past administrations shouldn't talk...ever." If that were the case, I'd be the first to gag Elizabeth Dole....

Glowbelly is right. She is a United States Senator. This is her job, regardless of her own motivations. There is a big difference between her and Johnny Depp. :rolleyes

[El Blanco]

Its not her motivations( well a little) it is her qualifications.

SHE ISN'T EVEN FROM THE GODDAMNED STATE SHE CLAIMS TO REPRESENT!

Sonny Bono was at least from the Palm Springs area.

[Immortal Goat]

Yeah, but he ALSO married Cher, so I don't see why people thought he was smart enough to be a congressman.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Its not her motivations( well a little) it is her qualifications.

SHE ISN'T EVEN FROM THE GODDAMNED STATE SHE CLAIMS TO REPRESENT!

Again, no obvious trend being set here....

And as for her qualifications, she has been the wife of a governor and a president (better credentials than Elizabeth Dole for one), she is/was an attorney, and is fairly well versed in politics and the law (whether or not you agree with her politics, or her interpretive skills). Again, no comparison between her and Depp, OR Sonny Bono. :rolleyes

And back to her not being from the state, I'm fairly certain that before she ran she had a team of experts, pollsters, and fellow elected officials bring her up to speed on NY politics and issues. She had to do this, otherwise she might not have won, particularly the typically conservative votes she pulled in the North Country.

I'm willing to bet that she knew just as much, perhaps even more, than that jackass from Long Island Rick Lazio. New York is a perty big state, and I'm willing to bet the needs of his constituency differed quite greatly from those in my home county of Orange, and even greater from those in places such as Plattsburgh, Saratoga, and Macena.

[Jixby Phillips]

I hate anybody with opinions on anything.

Thats what i think.

[Geggy]

Depp probably gets his opinion from Hunter Thompson. 'America is a dumb puppy' is something Thompson would say, afterall they are close friends.

[El Blanco]

And as for her qualifications, she has been the wife of a governor and a president (better credentials than Elizabeth Dole for one),

So what? Seriously, how does that qualify her for a damn thing? We all know what Bill got away with under her nose.

she is/was an attorney

Mediocre at best. A friend of mine is in the Army reserves and is under the command of a general who was at her old firm. He said he has no idea how that woman became a lawyer. Apparently she wasn't that good at that, either.

and is fairly well versed in politics and the law

Just look at her shining record with Whitewater and healthcare. Thats well versed?

And back to her not being from the state, I'm fairly certain that before she ran she had a team of experts, pollsters, and fellow elected officials bring her up to speed on NY politics and issues

Larry Flint is more qualified in California than she is here.

I'm willing to bet that she knew just as much, perhaps even more, than that jackass from Long Island Rick Lazio.

she wasn't going up against anyone when she started. The only strong Republican in NY was Guiliani, and most people thought he was going to wait out his term before running for Senate. And Lazio would have had a better chance had Rudy dropped out earlier.

Face it, the only reason she got as far as she has is because she latched onto the penis that stumbled its way into the White House.

[Helm]

HEY, A WOMAN'S GOTTA DO WHAT A WOMAN'S GOTTA DO

[kellychaos]

I'm willing to bet that she knew just as much, perhaps even more, than that jackass from Long Island Rick Lazio. New York is a perty big state, and I'm willing to bet the needs of his constituency differed quite greatly from those in my home county of Orange, and even greater from those in places such as Plattsburgh, Saratoga, and Macena.

She basically seems to have ridden on her husband's coat tails and, from what I've seen of recents polls, I'LL BET she doesn't get re-elected. Anyway, my main point wasn't that she has the right/duty, as a senator, to address issues about certain programs. My main point was that her comments amounted to more of a personal attack which is mainly "her word against his" mudslinging" and really has nothing to do with the content of said program which, by the way, HAS been expanded ... perhaps not as much as Hillary would have like but it has.

[Protoclown]

Let's get back to the issue at hand here.

Johnny Depp is cool. :)

[KevinTheOmnivore]

And as for her qualifications, she has been the wife of a governor and a president (better credentials than Elizabeth Dole for one),

So what? Seriously, how does that qualify her for a damn thing? We all know what Bill got away with under her nose.

How is his infidelity relevant at all...? I mean, I know folks on the Right have this exaggerated hatred for the Clintons, but come on.

The crux of this entire thread was celebrities, and the merit that should be given to their opinions. Hilary has had an active role in the positions her husband held, and whether you like her or not, she knows politics. She isn't Johnny Depp, she isn't Sonny Bono, she is a democratically elected official for the people of NYS. It's her JOB to speak up against executive policies, and any further comparisons to people like Bono or Depp should just be dismissed.

she is/was an attorney

Mediocre at best. A friend of mine is in the Army reserves and is under the command of a general who was at her old firm. He said he has no idea how that woman became a lawyer. Apparently she wasn't that good at that, either.

Yeah, and my state and local government teacher was the lawyer for Jake Gunther. Apparently he was a great guy (R.I.P.). Who cares what people say? Have you (or I, for that matter) passed the bar? Was your buddy elected by thousands of New Yorkers? Again, the excuses and comparisons are lame, and really just reveal a slightly creepy obsession with the Clintons....

and is fairly well versed in politics and the law

Just look at her shining record with Whitewater and healthcare. Thats well versed?

If you mean her (formerly) being a proponent of a nationalized system, I fail to see your point. I realize conservatives tend to be the self-appointed experts on public policy, but it seems to work for other industrialized nations, and President Bush's recent strides in medicare coverage show that even he sees the need for a more interventionist policy in healthcare.

Whitewater: As far as scandals go, the Bushs, Reagans, and Nixons of the nation had and have their fair share of them, and nobody is bringing their free speech credibility into question.


And back to her not being from the state, I'm fairly certain that before she ran she had a team of experts, pollsters, and fellow elected officials bring her up to speed on NY politics and issues

Larry Flint is more qualified in California than she is here.

Was Bobby Kennedy inept at his elected position...?

I'm willing to bet that she knew just as much, perhaps even more, than that jackass from Long Island Rick Lazio.

she wasn't going up against anyone when she started. The only strong Republican in NY was Guiliani, and most people thought he was going to wait out his term before running for Senate. And Lazio would have had a better chance had Rudy dropped out earlier.

Please. Giuliani and Lazio are both New Yorkers, which according to your logic should've been enough. Lazio outspent her by roughly $10 million, and he and Giuliani collectively spent roughly $60 million to try to beat her. Lazio was incompetent, and a bad candidate, period.

Face it, the only reason she got as far as she has is because she latched onto the penis that stumbled its way into the White House.

Maybe, but that's often the case with politics. Fame and association often takes priority over intelligence, leadership skills, and management ability. Again, so what? Where's the precedent being set??

[kellychaos]

I'm not going up against Kevin 'cause he can outquote me. :/