Kingdom Hearts is the most overrated game ever [Archive]

MK IV

Oct 27th, 2003, 04:09 AM

Its a good solid game , ok plot with good character development , the combat system is refreshingly new and works well in 3d (iv only seen square do that type of combat in 2d), theres an awful lot to do and collect in the game too.
Like build a custom space ship out of GUMMI's now i always thought gummi's were a soft jelly sweet, so you get to build a soft jelly spaceship ! Comon how many other games offer so much joy and hilarity !

UtterParadox

Oct 27th, 2003, 07:08 AM

Okay, I did have some problems with the game. Namely, the music. They could have come up with some decent music instead of just taking "classic" Disney songs and making them instrumental. I nearly committed seppuku during the Atlantica level.

Still: Incredibly dark plot (there are Final Fantasy games with less depressing moments), being able to beat the crap out of Squall (even if he's called Leon) AND Yuffie in the same battle, a better-than-average camera, and even a stripped-down behind-the-back-view 3D Gradius ripoff (the Gummi Ship), plus everything MK mentioned, makes this one quite the game.

Snatchtastic

Oct 27th, 2003, 11:58 AM

I got as far as beating the first planet and meeting Tarzan. Then Grand Theft Auto Vice City flooded the shelves and Kingdom Hearts made its way to a shallow grave in the backyard.

Ninjavenom

Oct 27th, 2003, 02:47 PM

I'm never going to play this game. I fucking hate Disney. I don't care if it's full of FF stuff, Disney ruins it for me on sight.

Rongi

Oct 27th, 2003, 03:28 PM

I don't hate it because it brings Disney and FF together, no sir. That's the reason why I bought it. However, the gameplay is absolute shit. You jump around a lot and hack and slash at things. If that's not fun, then I sure don't know what is :rolleyes!

Rongi

Oct 27th, 2003, 03:31 PM

the combat system is refreshingly new and works well in 3d (iv only seen square do that type of combat in 2d)

You obviously don't play a lot of video games.

Anonymous

Oct 27th, 2003, 03:33 PM

I'm never going to play this game. I fucking hate Disney. I don't care if it's full of FF stuff, Disney ruins it for me on sight.

Same here. When I first heard the concept, an FF game with Disney elements, I recoiled in horror. Seriously, I blocked my face with my hands, I hissed, my pupils dilated, I don't do things halfway people. I will not be playing this game.

Also, the commercial was annoying as hell.

Nerd

Oct 27th, 2003, 04:36 PM

I have to admit, that's how I first felt when I herd about the game, and the feeling was mutual with most gamers. But when I herd Cloud was in it, you better believe I bought it that day. I don't regret it. It's one of Square's best games. If you like RPG's and/or Final Fantasy, then you're missing out on one hell of a good game.

The fighting system? Yes, I agree, after playing through it a second time I found that it was rather dull. But does that ruin the game? No, of course not. It isn't the best system, but it isn't the worst. But if you just really hate it and it ruined the game for you, I guess I can see where you're coming from.

James

Oct 27th, 2003, 05:37 PM

That fact that it is Disney is what makes the game so great. You can hate them all you want, but it works so well, that it simply doesn't matter. I'm far from being Disney's biggest fan, but playing through the different worlds, hearing familiar music, and even more familiar voices (a great deal of the characters are voiced by people who've done them in the movies or shows.) really does bring something out of you, and makes you enjoy it. You owe it to yourselves to at least rent it.

More importantly, don't think that the story is watered down in the least due to Disney being involved. The story is heavily mature-themed, ranking right up there, if not higher than, any Final Fantasy game.

Rongi, I imagine you're still early into the game then. The combat, while mostly hacking-and-slashing, does have a fair share of strategy, and plenty of use for magic and other attack skills. But give the active battle system, there's not much else you COULD do, is there?

Still, some of you think it's overrated, and others won't even touch it. But for me, I would go as far as to say that it might very well be the greatest game I ever played.

MK IV

Oct 27th, 2003, 08:04 PM

the combat system is refreshingly new and works well in 3d (iv only seen square do that type of combat in 2d)

You obviously don't play a lot of video games.

Yea obviously >:

What would you compare the combat system to then ?

Secret of mana ?
Oh sorry thats a 2d game , fucker !

So common , what other Squaresoft games have you played with the same combat sytem IN 3d .

FF doesnt count BECAUSE ITS TURN BASED !

Emu

Oct 27th, 2003, 08:35 PM

Why's it have to be a Square game?

MK IV

Oct 27th, 2003, 08:57 PM

NO.

Anonymous

Oct 27th, 2003, 10:42 PM

That fact that it is Disney is what makes the game so great. You can hate them all you want, but it works so well, that it simply doesn't matter. I'm far from being Disney's biggest fan, but playing through the different worlds, hearing familiar music, and even more familiar voices (a great deal of the characters are voiced by people who've done them in the movies or shows.) really does bring something out of you, and makes you enjoy it. You owe it to yourselves to at least rent it.

You misunderstand me. I consider the fact that it contains Disney characters/locales/songs/etc. to be a negative.

Also, I don't care much for the FF universe, with the exception of FFTA, and to a lesser extent Final Fantasy Adventure.

Still, some of you think it's overrated, and others won't even touch it. But for me, I would go as far as to say that it might very well be the greatest game I ever played.

You need to play more games, James.

James

Oct 27th, 2003, 10:54 PM

You misunderstand me. I consider the fact that it contains Disney characters/locales/songs/etc. to be a negative.

So did I, until I played it.

I'd guarantee that your opinion would change if you played it. It had nothing to do with Disney, and nothing to do with Final Fantasy. The game, as a whole, is top quality.

Generator86

Oct 28th, 2003, 01:06 AM

Undoubtedly one of my all-time favorite games. Disney (of which I'm not a huge fan) + Square ( who I follow only on the basis of how into the game I can get into) was actually a a stroke of genius.

This game kicks complete and utter ass, and if you can't realize that, well, you've probably got a problem. Sure, it gets a bit cutesy at times, but what Square game doesn't? At least in KH they can place the blame on Disney.

James, you make some pretty fine points, ones that I feel no need to pontificate upon.

Oh, and just try to beat Sephiroth using simple "hack-n-slash" techniques. Yeah, the combat system is "simple". Whatever.

ItalianStereotype

Oct 28th, 2003, 01:42 AM

ninja, quit being a poon and play the game. >:

same for you, Boogs. I'll bet you'll both be singing "Under the Sea" in your King Triton underwear before you're two shits from Agrabah.

Anonymous

Oct 28th, 2003, 02:00 AM

Alright, alright. Next time I rent videos, I'll look for a copy of your Disney/FF faggery so that I can judge for myself whether the game is as asinine as the concept.

James

Oct 28th, 2003, 02:25 AM

Well, I'll just warn you this, Boogie. If you go into the game with the attitude that you won't like it, you probably aren't going to like it. So just try to keep an open mind, and play through a fair amount of it.

The music, the worlds, the story, the characters. Everything just comes together to put you through one of the best experiences you can have with a video game.

Besides, it has Nightmare Before Christmas in it, which kicks ass.

Cap'n Crunch

Oct 28th, 2003, 03:08 PM

Jesus, you can't start an argument with James because he will put a page long response, how you are wrong. I never want to get into arguments with James, no offense. :(

Nerd

Oct 28th, 2003, 03:41 PM

Bear in mind Boogie, the beginning sucks major ass. Don't stop playing if the first hour sucks.

Carnivore

Oct 29th, 2003, 04:53 AM

I can't sleep, so I'm going to go play some Kingdom Hearts right now. I need to remind myself just how much the game so completely kicks ass!

Disney may be considered an evil corporation by many, but the movies and theme parks are still damned fun. And Disney is actually one of the best companies for which to work. Their benefits are reputed to be fantastic. Hating Disney is so friggin' passÃ©. I'm man enough to admit that I recently bought both the Lion King and Sleeping Beauty DVDs. Maleficent is a bad ass villain! She even says that she commands all the powers of hell!

Anonymous

Oct 29th, 2003, 10:49 AM

Good for you, ambulance-driving Creed fan.

Carnivore

Oct 29th, 2003, 12:23 PM

Dude, Creed sucks. I know that joke will never die, but I want to say, for the record, that I do not genuinely like Creed.

Snatchtastic

Oct 29th, 2003, 01:07 PM

The Lion King was awsome.

James

Oct 29th, 2003, 01:39 PM

Yeah, it was even more awesome the first time, when it was called Macbeth. :(

Anonymous

Oct 29th, 2003, 01:45 PM

Yeah, it was even more awesome the first time, when it was called Macbeth. :(

There wasn't a babboon in Macbeth. Unless you count the king.

Oh! Shakespearean burn!

That's right, I went there.

James

Oct 29th, 2003, 02:19 PM

I meant Hamlet. I think. Shakespeare's shit was all the same anyway, and it all sucks. He should have had Elton John sing songs for his crappy plays so that they made sense.

Bennett

Oct 29th, 2003, 02:36 PM

:lol yes, Ran, 10 things I hate about you, and Forbidden Planet are basically the same movie.

timrpgland

Oct 29th, 2003, 03:11 PM

I haven't played KH. Never really peeked my interest. Part 2 won't either.

Anonymous

Oct 29th, 2003, 03:16 PM

That's a shame. From what James tells me, it's the best game ever.

timrpgland

Oct 29th, 2003, 03:22 PM

:rolleyes

eggyolk

Oct 29th, 2003, 03:33 PM

You get fucking Goofy and fucking Donald Duck on your team. >:

Anonymous

Oct 29th, 2003, 03:37 PM

Well golly! That shore is suuuuper!

Nerd

Oct 29th, 2003, 03:39 PM

:rolleyes

timrpgland

Oct 29th, 2003, 03:41 PM

Most things I've heard about the game have been good. My little brother played it through and thought it was cool. I'll pass though.

I'm gonna go back to playing a real fucking RPG, U7: The Black Gate. Prolly my favorite in the series other than UO of course.

Anonymous

Oct 29th, 2003, 03:42 PM

I've heard plenty of good things about it too, but I've also heard good things about the Sims.

Nerd

Oct 29th, 2003, 03:58 PM

Rongi

Oct 29th, 2003, 04:17 PM

Yeah guys, you sure are missing out on mindless hacking and slashing and plenty of inane puzzels!

Anonymous

Oct 29th, 2003, 05:40 PM

Y'know, the most important piece of information I ever learned on a message board is that you can't change someones mind just by yelling at them through the internet. Tim, Dr.Boogie, if you guys just want to keep calling this game gay and never even trying it just becuase of the screen shots, then I can't change that. But because of your ignorant logic, you'll be missing out on one of the coolest games ever made. Your call.

I'm sorry, could you repeat that? I couldn't make out what you said through all the whining.

And I never said it was stupid because of the screenshots. I don't know where you got that. I said that combining FF and Disney was a stupid concept. Also, if you'll look closely, you'll see that I did say that I'd check it out the next time I'm at Blockbuster.

I guess what I'm really trying to say in this post, nerd, is for the love of god, please read my posts before you post a reply to me. My posts aren't that long, and I try to make separate paragraphs to keep things nice and tidy.

Nerd

Oct 29th, 2003, 08:19 PM

Riiiiiiiiight....I was whining...okay, whatever you say. :rolleyes

You did say that you were going to play it, I read that. I even replied to that post, if you look closely enough. But you were still slamming it, even without playing it. If your going to tear apart a game, at least play it first.

Rongi, most video games have puzzles. What makes these puzzles so much more pointless than any other games? And from playing through it, there are barely any puzzles at all. You barely have to think to solve them.

Anonymous

Oct 29th, 2003, 11:01 PM

I'm sorry, I meant bitching.

If your going to tear apart a game, at least play it first.

I'd rather get the preliminaries taken care of. That way, all will know why I haven't played this fruity-looking game already.

Krythor

Oct 29th, 2003, 11:44 PM

Would any of you put it in your top 3 RPG's of all time? Because I have to wonder how an RPG can be so great and immersive when it's set in Disney Land; that must be a paradox.

James

Oct 30th, 2003, 12:07 AM

I'm confused here. We were arguing and bitching? I didn't realize that more than one paragraph was considered a "page-long post." :/

I like the game. I think the game is great. I think the concept and delivery wouldn't have been any good if it hadn't had Disney as a part of it. If you don't like it, fine. But I feel you're cheating yourself if you don't even give it a chance.

MK IV

Oct 30th, 2003, 02:55 AM

You get to have Jack Skelengton(sp?) in your party .

This is Halloween, this is Halloween
Halloween! Halloween! Halloween! Halloween!
In this town we call home
Everyone hail to the pumpkin song.

Nuff said .

Schimid

Oct 30th, 2003, 06:56 AM

THE DIAMOND GOEDS IN THE DOOR HANDEL :eek

timrpgland

Oct 30th, 2003, 11:11 AM

Nerd

Oct 30th, 2003, 02:38 PM

I was directing that post mostly to Dr.Boogie. If the game doesnt catch your interest, that's fine. I can relate to that. I mean, I'm a hardcore Square fan and I wouldnt play Chrono Trigger if you paid me. It just doesnt interest me.

ROOKIE

Oct 30th, 2003, 07:50 PM

I have seen about a third of the Disney movies that appear in this game and I appreciated the memories it brought back, and the great atmosphere. I never got to finish it though.

Command Prompt

Oct 31st, 2003, 04:17 AM

You guys need to get laid and BUY AN X-BOX :(

MK IV

Oct 31st, 2003, 05:24 AM

I get teh sex !
I have an X-box!
Kingdom hearts is still good!

Supafly345

Oct 31st, 2003, 06:51 AM

I miss teh Sex!
I have an X-BOX!
I liked Kingdom Hearts!

executioneer

Oct 31st, 2003, 08:34 PM

I bet Kingdom Hearts doesn't even have any characters from Black Cauldron in it >:

-willie

Carnivore

Nov 1st, 2003, 01:14 PM

Sadly, you are right. Hopefully they will remedy that in Kingdom Hearts II. The Horned King rules all!

http://home.comcast.net/~carnivorous/HornedKing.jpg

HickMan

Nov 1st, 2003, 02:24 PM

http://www.collecto-mania.com/disney/chernabog.JPG

:eek If they get rid of the faggyness of the first one, and put in a bad ass mother like this, it would kick. :(

Carnivore

Nov 1st, 2003, 05:16 PM

http://www.christianscollections.com/Chernabog_01.jpg
"I am in the first one, you pathetic fool!"

Nerd

Nov 2nd, 2003, 12:15 AM

Y'know, you do fight a boss like that in the game. I'm not sure if it's the same one because I don't watch the show he comes from, but they look hella alike.

FierceDeity666

Nov 2nd, 2003, 12:55 AM

That guy is indeed one of the game's final bosses. The fight is quite similar to giant Ursula actually, but harder. And this is a hard game. I'm very skilled, and I died many times over. Bosses like Oogie Boogie, who comes in both normal and giant fucking house sizes, Malificent in her dragon form, and Hades shall hand your ass to you. The difficulty is similar to Megaman Network Transmission or Viewtiful Joe, and I'm talking about NORMAL. This game makes FFTA look like a walk in the park.
A tip: Ars Arcanum is your best friend, trust me.

Supafly345

Nov 2nd, 2003, 01:00 AM

If you haven't seen Fantasia, then you a poser nerd as well.

Nerd

Nov 2nd, 2003, 01:04 AM

A tip: Ars Arcanum is your best friend, trust me.

Not if your in the air. :(

Comrade Rocket

Nov 2nd, 2003, 01:25 AM

I liked the game.

Im a Square fan, not really a Disney fan (BECAUSE THEY FUCKING RUINED ONE OF MY FAVORITE BOOKS, ALICE IN WONDERLAND)

And I really liked the game. I though it was the perfect mix of FF storyline and Disney cuteness.

But I have two problems with the game. 1 being the Gummyship. I think that thing is annoying as hell.

and 2, Sehparoth. Now don't get me wrong, I would let Sehp anally rape me, but my friend beat the game, and we were watching the credits to see who played the voices for the FF characters, and when we get to Sehp we see this,

Sehparoth: Lance Bass

GOD DAMN, SHIT, CRAP, ASS, PISS, FUCK A BABY!!!!!

Nerd

Nov 2nd, 2003, 01:30 AM

That is SO FUCKING WRONG. LANCE HAS NO PLACE VOICING SEPHIROTH. GODDAMN IT. :goth

James

Nov 2nd, 2003, 02:16 AM

The Gummi thing was a sidequest that I never really "got." I didn't go and hunt down all the differen blueprints, because I didn't know how and I didn't see it as a quest.

Despite the "OMG I HATE N*SYNC OMG MORE LIKE N*STINK LOL" attitude most of us might have, Lance Bass did a really good job for the very brief moments Sephiroth speaks. He just taunts and calls out attacks from time to time. And it's heavily edited with effects and muted under the music and sound effects. So you really can't care too much.

ROOKIE

Nov 2nd, 2003, 04:25 PM

The gummi ship actually bothers people more than the insignificant role shops play in this game?

James

Nov 3rd, 2003, 08:46 AM

I didn't mind the ship thing, but I wouldn't go out of my way to play it when I could just warp back to a world. It felt more tedious than anything.

Lack of shops wasn't too bad. I really didn't mind that there was a "station" in which you'd go for an item shop, and accessory shop, and so on. The game wasn't designed for a need to have shops everywhere you went. It was a very interesting change.