Ron Paul

[Chojin]

The internet and my mommy loves him, and from the videos I've seen he seems like a bit of a doddering old man with some cuh-raaazy ideas, but at least he did have the cajones to stand up against the rest of his party at their debate and tell them that the U.S. was largely to blame for creating the hostilities that led to the 9/11 attacks, and to tell a reporter afterwards that he was running away from Bush as quickly as possible. He was also the only republican senator to consistently vote against the war in Iraq and supports an immediate withdrawal.

He wants to cut out most government departments, including the departments of education, homeland security, and to a lesser extent Unicef. He wants to eliminate the income tax and reduce government spending back to year 2000 levels or before, and feels that the U.S. shouldn't have an international priorities before domestic priorities. He's pro-life but thinks that it should be a state's right to decide whether abortion is an illegal practice.

Idealogically - for the most part - I agree with him, but I don't understand how the country could operate without our government organizations, and I don't understand how the government gets enough funding to exist without income tax. That's about all I know, I'm hoping some of you could better explain him to me (and others).

[Emu]

I like Ron Paul but I feel like a retard now that he's been on Colbert so every cocksucking internet fanboy has already consigned their vote to him.

I've been reading his Wikipedia entry and I'm not sure how accurate or spun a lot of it is. It says at one point that he 'opposes federal regulation of marriage' and I'm not sure if that's supposed to be a reference to gay marriage or marriage in general.

[ItalianStereotype]

I'd imagine that would mean marriage in general. I know that Ron Paul personally opposes gay marriage, but he believes that an amendment to the Constitution would be inappropriate and an abuse of federal power. on the same note, this would mean that state governments would be free to interpret gay marriage as they saw fit.

as far as taxes go, I'd imagine that, keeping in line with his stance of limited federal power, corporate and state income taxes would remain unaffected. I'm sure that the government would also cut defense spending and raise tariffs to help make up the difference. some of his other ideas seem a little out there for me ;<

[Fathom Zero]

He was on the Colbert Report? Didn't know. He's a good guy.

[Sethomas]

I think he has real integrity, and I think that as a person he'd be one of the greatest individuals in the history of the presidency.

As a political theorist, I think he's a moron. He'd have been great to run in 1956 or perhaps 2056, but laissez-faire capitalism and flagrant isolationism would destroy this country at this point in time. This is my woe of being an political/economical relativist--sometimes the best people for the job are born into the worst possible time for them to have it.

[Preechr]

Perfect example of a Libertarian Party Member. Great guy. Couldn't agree with Seth more though.

Little known fact: if it weren't for Ron Paul, we'd already have a National ID card. The approval was passed, but he rallies against the funding every time it comes up.

Dubya was recently quoted as saying that no matter what any presidential candidate might say to win, the first day of their presidency will include so much new information that he or she will completely understand where we are and where we have to go from here. America's foreign policy steers like a house boat, not a jetski.

Even though the WOT is the single issue for me, and I completely disagree with Ron, I can see where he might yet be the best man for the job.

He won't win... hasn't got a chance... but we could (and probably will) do worse.

[Miss Modular]

I disagree with a lot of his ideas, but I like him. He's like the Kucinich of the Right.

[Perndog]

I always think of Ron Jeremy when I see his name. And then I think of Pope John Paul. Weird.

[Ninjavenom]

As a political theorist, I think he's a moron. He'd have been great to run in 1956 or perhaps 2056, but laissez-faire capitalism and flagrant isolationism would destroy this country at this point in time. This is my woe of being an political/economical relativist--sometimes the best people for the job are born into the worst possible time for them to have it.


This country is already fucked six ways from sunday. I think he's the first honest politician i have ever seen run for the prez, and he's certainly the one with the most new ideas. I'd just like to have a president we can be proud of and stand behind, for once. Even if he makes poor decisions, i don't want to roll my eyes every time he gives a speech or signs a bill or what the fuck ever. He looks like he can impact some real change, which is something i don't think any other candidate can do in any sort of positive manner.

[El Blanco]

He's not that honest. He still panders to the crowds of his speeches. He panders to the conspiracy nuts about "investigating 9/11" and then he dismisses the notion when he speaks to more mainstream crowds.

And which of his ideas do you think are that new?

[KevinTheOmnivore]

This makes me hate politics.

I-Mockers fawning over a flat-taxing nut ball.

[Sethomas]

Yeah. I-Mockeryism is dead.

[Chojin]

I did ask for reasons to dislike him, Kevin!

[Kulturkampf]

Paul floats around in those strange ideas of libertarianism way too much; he is childish and idealistic and views things in black and white.

Let him stand up against my Party.

We won't nominate him for President and if we do, we'd be idiots.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Do you need a sheet to join your party?

[KevinTheOmnivore]

I did ask for reasons to dislike him, Kevin!

Well, those things are subjective, but I'll tell you why I don't like him:

- If he can be president, than Preechr could probably be president, which scares me to death.

- He is anti-governmentto the point it becomes fanciful. He is of course allowed this luxury, sitting in a safe little district in Texas. But Ron Paul has never had to make a serious budget, or actually govern.

- He opposes birtright citizenship.

- He wants us to withdraw from NATO and the UN.

- He wants to get rid of social security.

- He voted against (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/08/AR2006070800966.html) sending relief money to the victims of Hurricane Katrina.

- He would try to abolish the IRS and the Dept. of Ed., and leave schooling up to "local governments." (Creationism in every red state here we come)

- He oppposes almost every form of foreign aid, and IN MY OPINION, has a very, very naive and foolish outlook on foreign policy. He doesn't support the war on terrorism, and is essentially an isolationist. He supports trade, but not "managed" trade. So, no economic trade deals that actually provide jobs and such to weak economies with shitty governments.


I'm sure there's more, like why he's getting donations from white power group leaders (http://lonestartimes.com/2007/10/25/rpb1/), but I'll stop there.

[Kulturkampf]

I will create a party for you... I am a strong Republican but I hold to a certain Kulturkampf idea in my personal time. A hobbie and a way of life, really!

[Preechr]

Well, those things are subjective, but I'll tell you why I don't like him:

- If he can be president, than Preechr could probably be president, which scares me to death.

Oh you just had to drag me into this didn't you Kevin? I know you know exactly where I stand on Ron Paul... you just want to make me say it, don't you? Let's counter-point, shall we, you ignorant slut...

- He is anti-governmentto the point it becomes fanciful. He is of course allowed this luxury, sitting in a safe little district in Texas. But Ron Paul has never had to make a serious budget, or actually govern.

When did anti-huge-megalo-government become "anti-government?" Yes, it might be considered fanciful to promote the exact kind of government created by the Constitution? Is big-government, nanny-state fascist Democracy so ingrained in this country now, in your opinion, that Hillary and Obama... two folks that also have never had to make a serious budget, or actually govern... are the only practical and realistic choices?

- He opposes birtright citizenship.

For non-citizens, yes he does... So? His whole campaign exists only to speak for millions of Libertarian ideologues that have no voice in this election. I'm pretty sure all the Republican candidates oppose the idea that American citizenship should be rewarded to those that sneak across the border illegally at 8 1/2 months and drop a kid. That's "daisy-chain" citizenship, and he's against that too.

I'm not, by the way, but I'm wondering why you are for it. Despite the NS and public health risks, I'm all for porous borders and free and open immigration because this policy is the quickest way to destroy the nanny-state altogether

- He wants us to withdraw from NATO and the UN.

...and again, how is that different from what you would hear from just about any Republican, candidate or not? ...and what is your fundamental stance on sticking with tired diplomatic bodies that honor dictators and despots and disparage free governments? How does America gain anything by continuing to participate in these organizations as they are currently constructed, Kevin?

- He wants to get rid of social security.

Well, maybe that's better than allowing the charade to continue. Are you personally willing to continue funding this scam knowing you will never benefit from it? The baby-boomers are starting to collect "benefits" they do not need and it is the folks of our generation that will be paying two and three times the current donation rate... AND WE WILL NEVER SEE THE PROGRAM WORKING FOR US.

- He voted against (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/08/AR2006070800966.html) sending relief money to the victims of Hurricane Katrina.

Yeah... he's a very strict Constitutionalist. So was Thomas Jefferson, another noted crack-pot. Federal disaster "relief" is a perfect example of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Can you make the case that the Federal government filled any actual need or provided any actual "relief?" It seems that I recall a lot of waste, fraud and abuse with regard to the "relief" programs, with only a few reports of problems with Red-Cross or the many private programs and initiatives that actually did the lion's share of the work required to get New Orleans back on it's feet.

- He would try to abolish the IRS and the Dept. of Ed., and leave schooling up to "local governments." (Creationism in every red state here we come)

Yes, God forbid we re-think bureaucratic nightmares that are working soooo well. It's over $60 billion now to fund the administration of the DOE, with not a dime of that spent on actually educating the first student. This was a core broken promise of the Contract with America, so again, it seems you just don't like the guy because he's a Republican.

Care to defend your belief that these departments are worth continued funding, Kev?

- He oppposes almost every form of foreign aid, and IN MY OPINION, has a very, very naive and foolish outlook on foreign policy. He doesn't support the war on terrorism, and is essentially an isolationist. He supports trade, but not "managed" trade. So, no economic trade deals that actually provide jobs and such to weak economies with shitty governments.

Well now here we go. You are right. When it comes to globalization, he is very weak and yes, naive. This is why I could never vote for him. This is why I no longer consider myself a supporter of the Libertarian Party. Yes, when it comes to the most important sea-change in our nation's history and supporting the most positive revolutionary ideal since the one that this country was founded upon, I am a single-issue voter.

I'm sure there's more, like why he's getting donations from white power group leaders (http://lonestartimes.com/2007/10/25/rpb1/), but I'll stop there.

Ok, we've established that you don't like Ron Paul simply because he is a Republican, which means your litmus test must be whether or not a candidate is a Democrat. Glad you brought up donations, in that light, Kev... Now we can talk about where Senator Clinton's war-chest is coming from, or is that even possible to know with all the bundling? How about we talk about the house Senator Obama lives in? ...or maybe his stance on flag pins and standing for the national anthem?

Who's funding the Democrats these days, Kevin?

[Emu]

China.

[El Blanco]

Preechr, I have to stick up for Kevin a little here. He's shown great disappointment in all the of Democratic candidates, especially Hillary. So, throwing them in his face to try and defend Ron Paul is pointless.

Ron Paul is just another politician. Deal with it. He has been caught talking out both sides of his mouth. He just happen to appeal to the Right fringe. He's a regular guest on Alex Jones' show. But, its all because he is desperate for support. don't for a second believe he wouldn't drop most of his platform for a shot at mainstream acceptance.

He's isolationist and has little grasp of just how big this country is. He may not be a racist himself, but some of the groups he embraces certainly are. Is it fair to peg him as a racist too? Hey, lie with dogs and you get fleas.

And that super strict Constitutionalist Jefferson also happens to be the guy that Louisiana.

[Preechr]

Hey who's side are you on here Blanco? I know where the holes in my arguments are lol... Kevin wants to play poli-sci cat-fight, I'll play...

Way to crap on our fun you rascist.

[Miss Modular]

Here's an editorial written by Joel Stein (not a favorite of mine), that seems to explain some of his appeal. The boldings are mine:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/theronpaulrevolution

The Ron Paul Revolution
By JOEL STEIN
1 hour, 41 minutes ago



It sometimes seems as if someone is playing a cruel practical joke on Ron Paul. He goes to a college and delivers the same speech he's given for the past 30 years of his political career, the one espousing the Austrian school of economics. Only now the audience is packed with hundreds of kids in RON PAUL REVOLUTION T-shirts who go nuts - giving standing ovations when he drones on about getting rid of the Federal Reserve and returning to the gold standard. After a speech at Iowa State last month, when nearly half the crowd had to stand because there were only 400 seats, a hipster-looking student worked his way through the half-hour-long line to shake Paul's hand. This was surely it - the moment when the straight faces would break and Paul would be wedgied up the flagpole. "When you see Bernanke," the kid said, "will you tell him to stop cutting rates when gold hits 1,000?"


Politics might be rock 'n' roll for nerds, but the nerds aren't supposed to be quite this nerdy. The leader of the disaffected in next year's presidential election - the Howard Dean, the Ross Perot, the Pat Buchanan - is a kindly great-grandfather and obstetrician whose passion is monetary policy. Paul, a 72-year-old hard-core libertarian Republican Congressman who is against foreign intervention, subsidies and the federal income tax, is not only drawing impressive crowds (more than 2,000 at a post-debate rally at the University of Michigan last month) but also raising tons of cash. In the third quarter of 2007, Paul took in $5.3 million (just slightly less than G.O.P. rival John McCain), mostly in small, individual donations. On Oct. 22, he aired his first TV ads, $1.1 million worth in New Hampshire.


The numbers are even more impressive considering that as of early October, 72% of G.O.P. voters told Gallup pollsters they didn't know enough about Paul to form an opinion. He has been able to attract followers in the debates, where he's presented a clear, simple philosophy of personal freedom and responsibility. He bluntly refers to the U.S. as an empire. And the nerdiness lends Paul's simple message an aura of credibility, especially on a stage with more polished politicians and their nuanced positions. "He's about something that American nerd culture can get on board with: really knowing one subject and going all out on it," says Ben Darrington, a Ron Paul supporter at Yale. "For some people, it's Star Wars. For some people, it's Japanese cartoons. For Ron Paul, it's free-market commodity money."


The libertarian's traction is most apparent on the Internet, where his presence far outstrips that of any candidate from either party. His name is the most searched, his YouTube videos the most watched, his campaign the topic of songs by at least 14 bands. "The last thing I would listen to is rap," Paul says. "But there's something going on when there's a rap song about the Fed." On Tuesday, both Paul and Tom Cruise were guests on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. The actor went to Paul's dressing room to thank him for his work on a bill fighting the forced mental screening of grade-school kids. "Go. Go. Go. Go hard," Cruise said. Paul turned to an aide and asked, "What movies has he been in?"

Paul's fans - and there were more than 100 of them in Leno's audience, many of whom had flown in from out of town - are entranced by a man who responds to surprising information with "Wowee" and a jaw-dropped smile not often seen apart from 5-year-old boys and Muppets. "It's the message. Ron isn't that exciting as himself," says Andre Marrou, who was Paul's running mate when he ran as a Libertarian in 1988. "I saw him referred to in print as semi-eccentric. He's maybe 10% eccentric. It's his ideas that are eccentric. But it's basic Americanism." Paul is such a strict constructionist that he autographs pocket Constitutions more often than Tommy Lee signs breasts.


But Paul's popularity can't necessarily be explained by a previously undetected craving for gold-standard debates on college campuses. His message, even if packaged in obscure economic lectures, is that there is something very corrupt, very Halliburton-Blackwatery going on with our military-industrial complex, and that can attract some pretty weird followers. At the Iowa State event, a student stood outside in a tricornered hat and Revolutionary War–era suit, ringing a bell. Representative Tom Tancredo, another long-shot G.O.P. candidate, tells me that after a debate in New Hampshire, one of his staffers walked up to a guy in a shark costume and asked him if he was a Ron Paul supporter.

"No. They're all nuts," replied the shark. "I'm just a guy in a shark suit." There is a subset of Paul supporters who believe 9/11 was an inside job by the U.S. government. And there are anarchists as well: They've picked Nov. 5, Guy Fawkes Day, for a fund-raising drive.

"His supporters are the equivalent of crabgrass," says G.O.P. consultant Frank Luntz. "It's not the grass you want, and it spreads faster than the real stuff. They just like him because he's the most anti-Establishment of all the candidates, the most likely to look at the camera during the debates and say, 'Hey, Washington, f--- you.'"


The one place Paul hasn't become a major player is where it counts: in the polls, where he hasn't broken above 5% and has yet to pass Mike Huckabee. Paul realizes he's not a favorite among the pro-war, pro-Bush Republicans. "A lot of times at my rally, I say, 'We're diverse. We even have some Republicans,'" he jokes. (His largest Meetup.com group gathers in liberal Austin, Texas; another sizable one is in San Francisco.) And he isn't sure where all this sudden support will lead.


Paul doesn't expect that he will win the nomination, and he has no interest in running as an independent again. But he also doesn't see himself endorsing one of the other Republicans in the general election. "Those people who support me wouldn't believe it," he says. "If I said, 'Giuliani's a great guy, and he'll reduce subsidies and bring the troops home'? I couldn't do that." Even nerd revolutions don't surrender.

[kahljorn]

I didn't read all of this thread but I just wanted to say that I hate Ron Paul because every idiot likes him and that's dumb and makes me full of anger. Oh ya and everyone thinks he has such, "Great ideas" but he doesn't, really, he just says stupid shit that most people haven't heard before so they're like, "Oh man that's so fresh" kind of like people who are in to david icke it's so shocking and new that they want to believe it but is it the complete useful truth?

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Well put, Kahl. Paulites are far more annoying than Paul himself, and that speaks in volumes me thinks. John Mayer supports him (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrPCkMSTH9A).

Must we continue this conversation?

[Emu]

Jacksonville is apparently infatuated with Paul, or at least has some inordinately fanatic people living here. Every fucking signpost has a Paul '08 sticker on it.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Those aren't warm bodies going to polls, it's probably an intense collection of nuts and IT guys spending their free time doing that (see the article Modular posted).

When Iowa rolls around, this guy will fizzle, and hopefully these people will go away.

[Preechr]

I wonder how many move-on-ers are supporting him in hopes of his becoming the next Ross Perot.

[Miss Modular]

John Mayer supports him (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrPCkMSTH9A).

AAAAAAAHH!!! Now I really can't support him. Cannot. Stand. John. Mayer.

[El Blanco]

Those aren't warm bodies going to polls, it's probably an intense collection of nuts and IT guys spending their free time doing that (see the article Modular posted).

Hey, fuck off.

When Iowa rolls around, this guy will fizzle, and hopefully these people will go away.Well, ya, because the evil government of the NAU is going to suppress him.

And sorry for the thread necromancy. I've just seen another message board with talks about him getting hot and someone at work tried to pimp him to me, so I wanted to stoke the fires again.

[Emu]

I'm gonna respond to your other post. :o

So, where are his supporters. Geggy has to be one. Preechr?

Max?....just kidding

He seems to be the biggest thing on YouTube and MySpace (ya, I have a MySpace page, blow me) and takes a sizable chunk of the politics section another message board I frequent (although, it seems to be the same handful of posters starting the threads).

He seems to be real big on fighting the super secret North American Union and telling people how he is all about the Constitution and pulling out our troops.

What he doesn't seem to be big on is separation of Church and State (huh?), protecting civil rights, and a sound foreign policy.


The bolded statement basically sums up all of Paul's support. It's a small but very loud group of people with Asperger's Syndrome making organized Paul-raids on college towns, message boards, and talk news radio shows.

[DuFresne]

My campus is littered with sidewalk-chalk Ron Paul progaganda. Some of it even tells you to "google Ron Paul" which lead people to hope there was a joke or something, like the "did you mean French Military Defeats ? " joke a few years ago, but no. >:

[kahljorn]

Ya. To be honest the demographic of ron paul supporters is mostly annoying college aged students who probably smoke pot and hang out in the philosophy and new aged section in barnes and noble.
those types of people are always loud and annoying.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

I don't think Preechr is in college.

[Preechr]

Lol and I don't think Preechr is planning to or would even consider a vote for Ron Paul for President. I like him, and I appreciate what he has done and hope he continues to do it in the future. President? Nope. No more than I would vote for Ozzy Osbourne, whom I also admire and appreciate for what he does.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

Ron Paul is setting records fundraising...for someone with no support base.
And apparently, it's from small donors...most who have never donated to a political campaign before.

[Preechr]

...like George Soros.

The same could be said of Hillary's donors.

[Emu]

The last time Paul set a record breaking fundraising day, it turned out that a good sum of the funds were actually accrued by a group of thieves who were testing their stolen credit card numbers.

[kahljorn]

you know what it is is that he's a pop sensation presidential candidate so that draws a lot of cunt bags to him who wouldn't normally vote or even be involved in politics.

[El Blanco]

Remember that guy the Democrats had 4 years ago that was the internet sensation, took in a lot of small donations from political newbies and had all the kids excited cuz he didn't take no shit from Da Man?

How did his campaign go?

[Miss Modular]

Remember that guy the Democrats had 4 years ago that was the internet sensation, took in a lot of small donations from political newbies and had all the kids excited cuz he didn't take no shit from Da Man?

How did his campaign go?

Howard Dean, I remember him. He was a good guy...

[kahljorn]

We're going to delaware! We're going to washington! THEN wE"RE GOING ALL THE WAY TO tHE BANK! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGLALRHRLHRLAHRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA RAAAAAAAAAAALRLRLAha

[soundtest]

Ron Paul is definitely the only Republican I'd vote... uh, if I was even American, lived in the US or was eligible to vote... however, a lot of his plans seem vague and his answer for everything is 'let the states decide'. While I agree with most of what he says, I find it unsettling that he rejects evolution and universal health care. I'd also expect a bridging of church and state under his leadership.


That said he does have a massive internet following and if anything, it proves how desperately people want change. He's also showing how blatantly the mainstream media are being in trying to determine the outcome of this election by ignoring his campaign or not inviting him to debates, yet inviting his competitors who are polling lower and pulling is less money.

[El Blanco]

That said he does have a massive internet following and if anything, it proves how desperately people want change.

Ya, Snakes on a Plane had a big internet following. How did that translate into real world box office sales?

He's also showing how blatantly the mainstream media are being in trying to determine the outcome of this election by ignoring his campaign or not inviting him to debates, yet inviting his competitors who are polling lower and pulling is less money.

If you are referring to the FOX debate, thats a myth.

Also, he gets little attention from the "mainstream media" because he is polling at around 4% in every major scientific survey. He's irrelevant everywhere but MySpace.

[soundtest]

Ya, Snakes on a Plane had a big internet following. How did that translate into real world box office sales?I'm not sure. How much did Snakes on a Plane rake in at the box office? I don't care enough to look because I don't see your point. Ron Paul raked in 19.5 million this quarter, more than any of the other candidates I believe. Unlike "Snakes on a Plane", his followers seem to be following through, at least with donations. One can only expect they'll come through with votes too. Will this mean he's going to win anything? I highly doubt it.

If you are referring to the FOX debate, thats a myth.http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/94/has-fox-news-excluded-ron-paul

He has been excluded from the January 6th forum on FOX, and chairman of the New Hampshire Republican Party issued a press release calling on them not to limit debate participants.

Also, he gets little attention from the "mainstream media" because he is polling at around 4% in every major scientific survey. He's irrelevant everywhere but MySpace.He's polling higher than Thompson who was invited to the FOX debate/forum. I don't really understand what is the ultimate poll to source for this since there are so many, so I guess this point is debatable.

Anyway, I don't really give a shit personally. I think his fans are a bit nuts, but it's nice to see a grassroots movement like this. I wish it were backing Kucinich myself.

[23_]

I like Ron Paul but I feel like a retard now that he's been on Colbert so every cocksucking internet fanboy has already consigned their vote to him.
Wrong. Cocksucking internet fanboys will vote for Huckabee because Chuck Norris supports him.

[MetalMilitia]

Nerds on the Internet can post as many Digg stories as they want but when the time comes to vote, some ridiculous creationist will win by a landslide. Americans are basically medically retarded when it comes to electing people. Yes all of you.

[Emu]

Wrong. Cocksucking internet fanboys will vote for Huckabee because Chuck Norris supports him.

If you'll notice I posted that long before Norris came on the scene, jerk

[El Blanco]

I'm not sure. How much did Snakes on a Plane rake in at the box office?

Barely enough to buy a bus ticket.

I don't care enough to look because I don't see your point.

That internet and fanboy hype doesn't translate into real world results.

Ron Paul raked in 19.5 million this quarter, more than any of the other candidates I believe.

He also had the largest single day for donations in history. Want to know why? Because all his supporters didn't donate the rest of the year and saved it all up for the last push so he could grab a headline before the primaries. Look at his overall performance compared with the other candidates. Even with the big fourth quarter and the one big day, he hardly registers.

Unlike "Snakes on a Plane", his followers seem to be following through, at least with donations.

For one freakin day.

One can only expect they'll come through with votes too. Will this mean he's going to win anything? I highly doubt it.

No, you can't expect them to come through with votes. Howard Dean tried the same strategy and got destroyed. If anything, Paul is going to suffer from those disillusioned by Dean's embarrassment.


http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/94/has-fox-news-excluded-ron-paul

He has been excluded from the January 6th forum on FOX, and chairman of the New Hampshire Republican Party issued a press release calling on them not to limit debate participants.

He's polling higher than Thompson who was invited to the FOX debate/forum. I don't really understand what is the ultimate poll to source for this since there are so many, so I guess this point is debatable.

There is no debate. (http://www.nolanchart.com/article797.html) They were in the process of inviting the candidates and were going to invite RP but there were too many scheduling conflicts. Paul himself was already committed to an event that day. The debate was called off before all the invites had been sent out.

Did you perhaps look that up on any site but a Ron Paul fansite? It would help to actually have some facts. This story was debunked almost immediately.

Anyway, I don't really give a shit personally. I think his fans are a bit nuts, but it's nice to see a grassroots movement like this. I wish it were backing Kucinich myself.

The UFO guy? Honestly, outside of lots of pictures of his way too hot for him wife, I see no reason to vote for him.

[soundtest]

Sorry, I can't play this line by line game of forum tennis. It's tedious.

The whole first part can be addressed by: "one day or not, he's still earned more money than the others" and "he's still polling higher than Thompson who is getting coverage". For your "no debate" I suggest you re-read that link I posted. Paul's campaign is still complaining that he's not invited - there is no scheduling conflict.

If you believe that your candidates are not being decided for you by your media, you are naive. As for your "look how well other fringe candidates like Paul did", here's a possible reason why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyvVQYf6XWk

As for not seeing a reason to vote for Kucinich: ok? The rest of the world has given up on you all to make rational decisions long ago. Part of me hopes Giuliani or Huckabee gets in for more of the same so I can sit back and watch the trainwreck.

China/Russia 2008!

[El Blanco]

Sorry, I can't play this line by line game of forum tennis. It's tedious.

Oh well, your problem, not mine.

The whole first part can be addressed by: "one day or not, he's still earned more money than the others" and "he's still polling higher than Thompson who is getting coverage". On what poll? Would you mind, you know, proving your statements?

For your "no debate" I suggest you re-read that link I posted. Paul's campaign is still complaining that he's not invited - there is no scheduling conflict.There is also no debate, please read the link I posted once.

If you believe that your candidates are not being decided for you by your media, you are naive. As for your "look how well other fringe candidates like Paul did", here's a possible reason why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyvVQYf6XWk

Oh, please. Nader just didn't appeal to the vast majority of voters. There is no damn corporate conglomerate shutting out candidates. How the hell did Perot actually make it into debates?

As for not seeing a reason to vote for Kucinich: ok? That wouldn't be a good reason.

The rest of the world has given up on you all to make rational decisions long ago.Glad you can speak for over 5 billion people. I guess the rest of the world doesn't do rational thinking all that well either if you are their chosen representative.

You'll have to pardon me if I am going to address the concerns of myself and my family before I pick the candidate thats best for the countries trying to compete with us.

Part of me hopes Giuliani or Huckabee gets in for more of the same so I can sit back and watch the trainwreck.You know, if you had just come out and said you are a douchebag, you would have saved us both some time.

China/Russia 2008!Russia? The country with the dwindling population?

And China is still learning about the dangers of lead paint. not too concerned there.

[Chojin]

I will respond to everything you say, point-by-point, even if I have nothing to say about it, because it's far more boring that way.

[El Blanco]

and thats why I love you.

[soundtest]

Oh well, your problem, not mine. Yea, it's my problem but I think I'll survive.

On what poll? Would you mind, you know, proving your statements?Google it, don't be so lazy.

There is also no debate, please read the link I posted once.Yes there is.

Oh, please. Nader just didn't appeal to the vast majority of voters. There is no damn corporate conglomerate shutting out candidates. How the hell did Perot actually make it into debates?Please watch it again.

That wouldn't be a good reason.It may not be good but it's valid.

Glad you can speak for over 5 billion people. I guess the rest of the world doesn't do rational thinking all that well either if you are their chosen representative.I speak for well over 5 billion. 5 and a half even.

You'll have to pardon me if I am going to address the concerns of myself and my family before I pick the candidate thats best for the countries trying to compete with us.Your family is ugly.

You know, if you had just come out and said you are a douchebag, you would have saved us both some time. :lol "Douchebag"? Who the hell still says this? Do you frequent CollegeHumor.com too?

But regardless, I'd rather be a douchebag :lol than a territorial troll disguised as a pseudo intellectual.

Russia? The country with the dwindling population?Irrelevant FOX news sound byte intended to question credibility?

And China is still learning about the dangers of lead paint. not too concerned there.That was actually Mattel's problem as their CEO apologized to the Chinese government and the Chinese people for the huge misunderstanding, but I guess FOX news isn't known for their retractions...

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070921/toy_recall_070921/20070921?hub=CTVNewsAt11



and thats why I love you. What are you? Some kind of gay faggot?

[MattJack]

I hope soundtest posts more in philo/news/dicks/etc.

[El Blanco]

Google it, don't be so lazy.

No, being lazy is telling me to do your work. You made the accusation, you show me the proof. Otherwise, I'm just writing you off as a troll.

Yes there is.

No, it was canceled. I even showed you a link.

It may not be good but it's valid.

Uh, no. If its not good, it ain't valid. And you never did give a reason.

"Douchebag"? Who the hell still says this? Do you frequent CollegeHumor.com too?

I get the feeling a lot of people that talk to you use the term "douchebag".

But regardless, I'd rather be a douchebag :lol than a territorial troll disguised as a pseudo intellectual.

Too bad you ended up as both. And I think we can throw in "pretentious" while we're at it.

And, by the way, I really don't care for FOX news. But hey, I guess I shouldn't expect you to get those pesky little facts straight. Intelligent discourse is obviously not your forte.

[Chojin]

All closing sentences on the Poli board are like latin poems, where the object is to hide "you're stupid" in a cloud of words.

[Emu]

ron paul doesn't care about black people

[rise1revolt1]

pal is against the war and on that subject he is good but on other subjects, well, not so good.

[23_]

but on other subjects, well, not so good.
Yeah, like getting votes. You can forget about him now.

[Fat_Hippo]

Well, any politician who says he's for the war is, from a political standpoint anyway, an idiot. Nobody who states that he likes the war is gonna get any votes, so I think you can pretty much take it for granted that any politician in his right mind will say he's against the war.

[23_]

Well, any politician who says he's for the war is, from a political standpoint anyway, an idiot. Nobody who states that he likes the war is gonna get any votes, so I think you can pretty much take it for granted that any politician in his right mind will say he's against the war.
That's true, though it makes me wonder who's lying now...

Also, rise1revolt1, did you find out in how much time Paul would plan to remove the American troops?

[Tadao]

Isn't Mac for the war and winning the rebublican primary?

[23_]

Isn't Mac for the war and winning the rebublican primary?
Actually, I just looked it up and you are correct. He is on the record as saying "I would rather lose a career than lose a war," yet he has criticized the Bush administration's wartime management (maybe that's what's giving him the vote from some of the anti-war Republicans).

[Tadao]

He's really weird. he has criticized the wartime management but also said he would stay in Iraq 100 years if need be. I think he is saying that he doesn't agree with going in, but now that we are there, let's make it happen folks. While everyone else says let's get the fuck out.

[kahljorn]

lol ya you must be some kind of idiot to support the war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

100% of americans are against the war from the latest polls from jackassrandompersontalking on the internet international poll services warranted incorporated.

Also the only issues which are important in this election are war! THat's it.

[Fat_Hippo]

Actually, I agree that it would be stupid to pull out just like that. I'm still against the war, as in it should never have happened, but come on, we all know what would happen if all soldiers pulled out immediately: Total anarchy and destruction. People already hate americans enough, lets not give them another reason to do so.

[Chojin]

According to CNN's polls, the biggest issue this election by FAR is the economy.

And according to their 'issues' segment, McCain's economic plan is 'everything is fine, folks, srsly'

And Obama wants to give everyone $150 and a puppy for some reason.

[executioneer]

oh man is the puppy's name mister poopytime

[Tadao]

Guys, I want a puppy really bad, but I'm not ready for a black President.

[Emu]

I'm all for a black president, but I have nowhere to keep a puppy.

[executioneer]

i personally dont think we should have a president who thinks the mexican president's plane has a dirt floor

[ItalianStereotype]

you're assuming it doesn't, willie. I'VE BEEN TO MEXICO.

and eric, most of the candidates have much the same message regarding the economy. Cut taxes for the middle class, support free AND fair trade, control runaway spending on unnecessary programs, keep American workers competitive, TECHNOLOGY LOL, and punch NAFTA and China in the dick.

[Chojin]

McCain's gone on record to say that he'st he biggest Free Trade mofo ever, which would seem to preclude his desire for Fair Trade

[ItalianStereotype]

but he also wants to keep Americans competitive on the global market AND he's criticized NAFTA, CAFTA, and China for their trading policies. smacks of fair trade.

[Chojin]

so who's gonna elect a guy on the basis that he has left clever clues as to how he feels about a really important subject?

[Tadao]

Chojin, you're in for one hell of a shock.

[ItalianStereotype]

so who has two thumbs and is gonna elect a guy on the basis that he has left clever clues as to how he feels about a really important subject?

<-THIS GUY

[ValientKid]

Yeah, I don't like to vote for people that a mediocre musician likes. What would the message boards think of me?

The lesbos are voting for Hillary, liberals and black people are voting for Obama, racists, closet racists and the bible belt states are voting for Huckabee, and no one is voting(or has voted) for Ron Paul do to the fact that his supporters are underage. The rest were too drunk or too high to remember the primaries.

[Tadao]

Yeah, I don't like to vote for people that a mediocre musician likes. What would the message boards think of me?

The lesbos are voting for Hillary, liberals and black people are voting for Obama, racists, closet racists and the bible belt states are voting for Huckabee, and no one is voting(or has voted) for Ron Paul do to the fact that his supporters are underage. The rest were too drunk or too high to remember the primaries.

You know... if you don't have anything to say, yo don't actually have to post.

[Pub Lover]

Huckabee pulled out already, didn't he? I'm all for pointless political debates, but if you're not even going to pay attention...