Bhutto assassinated

[mburbank]

It's being reported that the Pakistani Government systematically reduced protections around her, making the assassination almost inevitable.

So much violence, and so much more undoubtedly to come in it's wake. So sad.

[theapportioner]

I actually don't think Musharraf is involved. Don't see what he has to gain by assassinating her. In fact I think he has much to lose, as we'll see...

[Tadao]

It's going to be interesting to see which way this blade swings.

[ScruU2wice]

yeah my moms in karachi right now and she says shit really hit the fan over there, and people are rioting like no other. she's suppose to come back on tuesday and needless to say I'm scared shitless.

[MLE]

I hope she's alright, scru :<

[ScruU2wice]

everyone in my family got inside ok, and they're all pretty much in lockdown right now.

so I'm watching CNN right now and it's supper annoying because it's just talking about how the assassination will affect the iowa caucuses.

on the pakistani geo network it's just showing the same 5 clips of car fires and people bashing in windows of a bus.



media sucks.

[Tadao]

I hope she is able to make it back this coming Tuesday.

[ZAKO the GREAT]

i saw he news on CNN & BBC after i came back from my work, 12.45am (my time)
and really, i shocked... SHITLESS

[Sethomas]

Okay class, today's assignment is to combine this news with the announcement that human-to-human avian flu was reported in Pakistan on the exact same day into a survival-mechanism-type joke. While an eschatological theme is suggested, it is not necessary.

[AlliSabbah]

I saw this on the news. Now you may wish to sit down as I tell you this.

On one side of the screen you saw chaos as people are rioting. Buildings are burning and people are dieing.

The other side has some idiot in a suit standing in front of what looks like a bar graph in the background.

This idiot and the newscaster start talking about how the assassination is going to cause problems for wall street.

While we see the chaos and destruction they calmly proceed with thier discussion about dow jones etc... As if there was not anything wrong at all.

[El Blanco]

You weren't, by any chance, watching the financial segment of the news report, were you?

I'll agree that its bad to ask those questions and the questions about this will affect the presidential race this early, but they are questions that need to be asked.

An event happened. What are its immediate and long term effects.

Scru, I hope your family is OK and they make it out soon. I can't imagine what you're going through.

I'm reading the Pakistani government has officially pinned this on al Queda.

[Tadao]

Yeah, this has a huge impact on the whole world. But they really didn't need to have a running video of mass chaos running. Just the bar graph and the 2 money guys would do. But shock sells, so that is why they do that.

I'm bummed for Scru. But I have a feeling that they'll get out safe, shaken up, but safe.

[AlliSabbah]

Thats the point I was trying to make tadao. As for you Scr I hope your family stays safe. family is pretty important.

[Tadao]

Yeah, pretty sick huh? Do you remeber what news channel did it? Hope it wasn't local news. Sometimes I watch fox for a few minutes just to see how much the up the shock bar.

[AlliSabbah]

Not sure I usually do not watch the news I just happened across it.

I do remember it was a woman doing the questioning. My father in law was here watching TV and hes a channel flipper but the last one I saw before catching that was CNN.

Although I wouldnt put it past any news channel to do that to boost thier viewers.

[Geggy]

I'm a little behind but did anybody give a full explanation why an autopsy on bhutto's body had been denied? There have been several explanations on the cause of her death, why wouldn't they want to do an autopsy to clear things up? Something stinks.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Controlled demolition, probably.

[Chojin]

Geggy's posts are better if you imagine the guy in his avatar is shouting "CONSPIRACY?!"

[AlliSabbah]

CONSPIRACY!

Although it seems pretty certain that it was either bullets or shrapnal. Not exactly something an autopsy is needed for.

[El Blanco]

Well, there are religious beliefs that would prevent and autopsy. Not sure that applies here, but it wouldn't be off the scale of reason.

I'd be less interested in her body and more in the attacker's.

[Chojin]

Yeah, I bet he works out.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Actually, I imagine Geggy looking like the old pro wrester Goldust (http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2007/05/17/goldust.JPG), were he a blogger/truther.

[ScruU2wice]

so my mom and brother came back today, and they were telling me about how nutty it was over there, and it sounds like a couple people keeping a lot down in fear. Like my mom told me that the PPP supporters would go up to gas station owners and tell them to shut down the pumps or they'd burn them down.

and a lot more fucked up stuff like that.

[Geggy]

Well, there are religious beliefs that would prevent and autopsy. Not sure that applies here, but it wouldn't be off the scale of reason.

I'd be less interested in her body and more in the attacker's.

wouldnt an autospy be a crucial part of an investigation and help find the lead to the assassin by matching the bullet to a gun? an autopsy is mandatory under pakistan's criminal law in this type of case anyway. but if you want to be disinterested in the truth and blindly believe that al-qaeda evil doers did it without any shred of evidence, then be my guest.

[MLE]

so my mom and brother came back today, and they were telling me about how nutty it was over there, and it sounds like a couple people keeping a lot down in fear. Like my mom told me that the PPP supporters would go up to gas station owners and tell them to shut down the pumps or they'd burn them down.

and a lot more fucked up stuff like that.

I'm really really really really glad they're alright.

[AlliSabbah]

wouldnt an autospy be a crucial part of an investigation and help find the lead to the assassin by matching the bullet to a gun? an autopsy is mandatory under pakistan's criminal law in this type of case anyway. but if you want to be disinterested in the truth and blindly believe that al-qaeda evil doers did it without any shred of evidence, then be my guest.

I do believe the assassin blew himself up right in front of everyone. Not a whole lot of mystery there.

Not to mention to match a bullet to a gun you first need a gun and a link as to how it would be there since many guns use the same type of ammo.

[MLE]

Each gun leave ballistic markings on the bullets. They're as unique as fingerprints. Using a gun that takes standard ammo makes no difference whatsoever.

[El Blanco]

Scru, its great that your family is back OK.

Yes, the autopsy would tell you the gun that was used. So what, Geggy? You wouldn't accept the answers. If it does jibe with a lone gunman working for a terrorist group, you'd just assume that since it was done by the government, they are lying.

I'd say you can get a lot more info from the body of the gunman than hers.

You've made your decision. I'm sure you can quote from American Free Press or soemwhere tp "prove" your theory about George Bush and Israel doing this.

All that said, I think they should permit the autopsy, but I'm not going to jump at shadows over it.

[AlliSabbah]

Each gun leave ballistic markings on the bullets. They're as unique as fingerprints. Using a gun that takes standard ammo makes no difference whatsoever.

My meaning was that they would have to have the gun to match it with and with so many guns that use the same ammo it would not be an easy task.

[MLE]

No, but it's so commonly done today that they could have a match within days, in most cases.

[AlliSabbah]

Thats if they have a gun or guns to match it to.

[Tadao]

Scru, its great that your family is back OK.

secondeded

[Geggy]

Thats if they have a gun or guns to match it to.

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//071227/481/0aa205cd5f4d4c4599c9976d06b7c210/

:rolleyes

I'm still not clear why the pakistan government would insist that bhutto's death was caused by severe head impact on the sunroof from shockwave from the bombing. How could they come to this conclusion if the autopsy on her body was denied when there are most conclusive evidence that bhutto took one in the head even before the blast? Something still stinks.

[ItalianStereotype]

YOU CONVINCED ME GEGGY IT WAS DA EBIL US JEW GUBMENT

the pakistani government is backtracking from that position geggy, but I really don't see your point in this! do you ever have one?

[Geggy]

You know that gay old saying "its not the crime that kills you, its the coverup". Well the gay old saying could may very well apply to the pakistan government because they're backtracking on everything which would indicate theyre trying to cover their asses. The gun in the picture which I posted was identified as steyr m9, commonly concealed by the pakistani special forces division under the directions of the "former" general musharraf and the isi. So its not so crazy to suspect the government's involvement of the assassination. Afterall they did have a lot to benefit from it, like the postponed election in whcih strongly supported bhutto had better chance of winning. Man your teenage kids are going to be lucky to have you as their dad, getting away with everything and all.

By the way what's your obsession with the jews?

[El Blanco]

The gun in the picture which I posted was identified as steyr m9, commonly concealed by the pakistani special forces division under the directions of the "former" general musharraf and the isi.

Ya, if I'm a high level government official ordering an assassination, I'm going to use a method so easily traced back to me, the basement confined mongoloids on the internet will spot it.

You think he got to his position by being stupid and lazy?

[AlliSabbah]

If we really want to be paranoid we could say that someone planted that gun in order to frame the Pakistani government.

[El Blanco]

Or we could say that the Pakistani government made it look like the gun was planted so they could make it looked like they were framed. Those devious bastards.

[mburbank]

Or we could say that the govt. knew (as did everyone) that Bhutto was a target and simply reduced protections until her assasination became likely.

It makes delaying the election a responsible move, it makes the extremists Mushariff uses to justify crack downs look even more dangerous, it causes the oposition party to riot making them a danger to law and order and it removes Mushariffs most capable opponent from the table.

I'm not saying that makes the argument true. It's not wild conspiracy theory either.

[El Blanco]

The only thing that bugs me about that is how it would sit with the guys actually on protection detail. They'd be understaffed for the purpose of getting blown up. I can't imagine they'd be too happy with their bosses.

[ScruU2wice]

You think he got to his position by being stupid and lazy?

no, it's just an effect of every government position in pakistan. you guys thing that musharaf wants to hold on to power forever, but he really just doesn't feel like moving his stuff around.

thanks for the well wishes guys.

[Geggy]

Ya, if I'm a high level government official ordering an assassination, I'm going to use a method so easily traced back to me, the basement confined mongoloids on the internet will spot it.

You think he got to his position by being stupid and lazy?

i bet you didnt know the gun was found at the crime scene before i posted the picture which is rare and unknown to many. i think of it more as being stupid and lazy when it comes to controlling the information that can and cannot be released to the public. thank god for the internet am i right

[Geggy]

I'm not saying that makes the argument true. It's not wild conspiracy theory either.

anything we say would be a conspiracy theory until a thorough investigation has taken place and everything has been resolved...which would probably be never.

[Dr. Boogie]

So you're saying that just about anything could be a conspiracy, and there's little chance to disprove it? Not even with pictures that are "rare and unknown to many"?

[AlliSabbah]

Everythings a conspiracy. You yeah you stop looking at me! What are you hiding? Oh no the microchip in my brains beeping again. That means they have found me! Gotta think Gotta THINK! What would Lee majors do?

[Geggy]

So you're saying that just about anything could be a conspiracy, and there's little chance to disprove it?

It depends who were in on the conspiracy. Do you even know what the word "conspiracy" means or do I have to dissect it for you? is the word conspiracy a code word for "outrageous and impossible!" to you?

[El Blanco]

i bet you didnt know the gun was found at the crime scene before i posted the picture which is rare and unknown to many. i think of it more as being stupid and lazy when it comes to controlling the information that can and cannot be released to the public. thank god for the internet am i right

A gun was found at the crime scene. Or rather that AP picture you posted (ya rare and unknown my ass) is of a gun found at the crime scene. Was it the only gun? Was it the gun of the assassin? Had it been fired? How can you positively identify its type?

[Geggy]

i see you have questions of your own. welcome to the club BEEEEYYYATCH!

[Dr. Boogie]

Do you even know what the word "conspiracy" means or do I have to dissect it for you?

I would like to hear your definition of "conspiracy". It would certainly be a welcome change of pace from your usual routine of declaring an event a conspiracy and then calling Kevin/Blanco/anyone else who doubts it a tool of the Man.


is the word conspiracy a code word for "outrageous and impossible!" to you?

No, the code word for that is "geggy".

[El Blanco]

i see you have questions of your own. welcome to the club BEEEEYYYATCH!

Yes, but I'm going to let qualified professionals that can show their work answer them rather than some ass monkey with a webcam.