Art Chat

[Chojin]

I really didn't want to make a thread for this.

So I did, but I didn't, you feel me, playa?

Anyway I'm using a wacom now, but when I'm doing pixel art in Photoshop, if I touch the pen down somewhere, it'll mark it as me having done something in the history, but nothing will actually show up. But a pixel WILL show up if I put the pen down next to the pixel I actually want and drag it over there.

For example, pretend that the number pad is a square of 9 pixels:

789
456
123

If I want 5 to be black, I can't just click 5. I have to click on, say, 6, and then drag over to 5. And when I do that, 6 doesn't change color.

It's just annoying, does anyone know a fix?

[Tadao]

I think Art Chat could be a good idea. Some things just don't need a whole thread dedicaded to it.

[executioneer]

maybe all the forums should have a stickied chat-style thread! it could work!

[MLE]

Yes, I agree, but I don't know the answer to his question ;< does anyone know so far?

[ZAKO the GREAT]

i guess it might be something to do with the tool you're choosing. like, when you choose paint brush, even with 100% opacity, hardness & flow and 1px, even a single click, what i get it's a 4 pixel instead of 1.
00
00 = 1px

and i choose pencil tool with the same settings (no hardness), what i got it's a solid, 1 pixel block.

0 = 1px

i dunno, since i don't have my wacom with me now, what i guess it's either the tools you chose, or the pressure of your wacom pen when you use it as it'll determine the color it to get the real "pencil on paper" kind of feeling unlike mouse.
hope it helps!

[Chojin]

I dunno, I tried pushing REALLY HARD in one spot to get a point to show up, but just pushing lightly and dragging makes points show up everywhere else.

[zeldasbiggestfan]

Is your hand resting on the pad of it? That can make different points when your on it too. I'm probably wrong but you might be doing it and not realizing it.

[ZAKO the GREAT]

Is your hand resting on the pad of it? That can make different points when your on it too. I'm probably wrong but you might be doing it and not realizing it.
protip:
hands on the pad will NEVER make any point.:\

[Fathom Zero]

Unless it's a hyper-expensive multi-touch pad. Oy.

And by multi-touch I'm referring to the Dell Latitude and the like. >:

[Chojin]

No, fathom, because only the wacom pen tip will react to the wacom surface.

[MLE]

I'm pretty certain that ZAKO, Eric (and I) know more about Wacom tablets than zeldasbiggestfan and fathom zero. Being that we're artists. And own them.

[Fathom Zero]

I forgot it was all wacom. And I guarantee you that I AT LEAST know as much as digitizers as you. I've owned about five (tablets, that is). Broke some of them, but I've used 'em. If you tried doing it on a touchscreen, you'd get vectoring issues.

I want me one of those Cintiq ones. Y'know, the ones with the screens embedded into the absolutely gigantic drawing surface. I'd settle for the 12WX model, though.

[MLE]

I can't draw on Cintiqs. It's just not right for some reason. If I can see what I'm drawing, I'd rather draw on paper, just personal preference.

[ZAKO the GREAT]

my tablet is rather small, but i'm happy with it!

[Fathom Zero]

I like to have my hand leading on top of what is being drawn. It's one of those personal preference things, I guess.

[MLE]

I have a bamboo wacom, and it's surprisingly nice. It's about 4x6ish (i'm not gonna bother taking measurements) active working space, and it's widescreen. For under $100 and right when my intuos2 broke, it was a good deal!

[Fathom Zero]

I've really been thinking about the Bamboo. Does it feel cheap? Would it break if I just tossed it in a bag full of stuff?

[MLE]

No, especially since they made the cord dicsonnectable.

Eric and I both have them, since I bought him one for christmas, and he agrees that it doesn't feel cheap. I love the pen stand, and the mouse feels more sturdy than my Intuos2 mouse (which broke both times I owned an Intuos2. You may not feel the same way about the mouse, since it's light, but I like it much better.

Just a cute side note: the eraser tip sounds like and feels like an eraser when you use it. I fell in love with that.

PS - there are buttons on the top that you don't need the pen to hit them now. Zoom/Scroll wheel, a page back and page forward buttons, and two softkeys. I set mine to notepad and calculator.

[Fathom Zero]

:hypno The eraser sounds cool.

I can't decide if I should get this before or after another... tablet PC. Hahaha, they're piling up on me. I'm thinking a Fujitsu Stylistic. Screw the keyboard.

At the prices of them, though, especially with the Stylistic being used, I could get both.

[ZAKO the GREAT]

i really need to get back to the "pencil & paper" type of work... too much mouse & comp work sometimes makes me forget the real pleasure of drawing :(

[MLE]

I agree. I have a drawing of a naked comic book loving girl on paper somewhere. I loved drawing her.

[bigtimecow]

i'm also having problems with my wacom tablet:

when i plug it into my laptop it works fine with the mouse, but when i use the pen's left and right click buttons on the side of it or tap it down. they all register as right-clicks.

!?!?!?!?!?!

[MLE]

First of all, what type of wacom do you have? Graphire, Intuos, Bamboo? It should all be the same really, but go into your pen tablet settings, and you check to make sure that the buttons are set properly.

If it is an intuos or something similar enough, you might have two tabbable buttons on the top or something that say PEN and MOUSE. It's possible you tapped MOUSE with your wacom pen, and made it so your tablet thinks you want to use the pen as a mouse. The first time I accidentally did that, i freaked the fuck out.

[Fathom Zero]

I really like Ralph Steadman's work.

[ZAKO the GREAT]

free strokes at it's best.
but i think his writing style is somewhat similar to Futura's (yes, i do mean the artist, not the typeface.)

[Supafly345]

I love my wacom even if I hadn't used it in over a year! But yeah, I do remember something occassionally bothering me with it that I had to move it slightly when it touched down sometimes to make a dot. When the pressure setting are on the paintbrush however I never had this problem, even though sometimes this would result in a faint dot.

And fathom, how about touching the pen to the pad? That counts as a left click.

[Tadao]

MLE : How would you feel if we ran our own art contests? Nothing to poll or vote on. No prizes.

Just a thing where someone posts something and we see how others might inerpet it or mess about with it. Not like a photochop contest (although those are fun). But like, if I posted an Xray of my skull, people could play around with my nogin.

[MLE]

As for individual contests, I'd like it if people could just PM the idea to me, and as soon as I say it's a go (like Tadao, yours is a go), You can make the thread, and when I sticky it until it's over, I'll add the word CONTEST in there as well. The fact that it's stickied means it's MLE approved ;D

I think contests are a wonderful idea! I've been playing around with some ideas for specific art contests and possible prizes. If anyone has some ideas, let me know!

[terrva]

As far as contests go, i'm down for anything. I don't have any ideas for one, though.

[MLE]

There will be an idea thread for them as well that will be stickied.

[Tadao]

The one I pmed you was a contest type thing. The one above was more like a photoshop thing (but not). I guess I'll come up with an example sometime and show you what I mean when you have an contest Idea sticky. but It's not a contest really, unless you wanted it to be. [/ramble]

[MLE]

I guess it would be contests and events, then. The idea you submitted would likely be an event, since it's unlikely that that would have prizes associated. I'd like to keep them with reasonable definitions.

[ZAKO the GREAT]

MLE : How would you feel if we ran our own art contests? Nothing to poll or vote on. No prizes.

Just a thing where someone posts something and we see how others might inerpet it or mess about with it. Not like a photochop contest (although those are fun). But like, if I posted an Xray of my skull, people could play around with my nogin.

cool! you are the GODDAMN (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/GoddamnBatman.jpg) hero! :rock
i'm in for whatever you guys think of.

[executioneer]

remember when we use to do that in the photoshops/captions forum ;_;

[MLE]

yeah, and i really liked SOME of it. it would at least make this forum more interesting. I want to make it clear that I don't want this to be a hilarious photoshop forum. It's still art. I have events that i'll run that you can be funny with terrible mspaint if you want

[executioneer]

i never use terrible mspaint, unless i'm at work and can't use a real gfx program (and even then i generally try and fake it :x)

[MLE]

give me ideas! my event idea sticky is up.

[ZAKO the GREAT]

i'm kinda sucked t making funny stuffs. guess i might be able to do it better if it's something more to the art.

[MLE]

With the art events, it can be funny, artistic, or both! really anything to be creative as long as it has some interpretation of the word. There's similar workings on other art forums, so it was a good suggestion from tadao!

[ZAKO the GREAT]

he's really the BRAIN here

[MLE]

I hope you will participate in the events :< and give me some ideas, too!

[Sam]

The best art event we ever had was the "Celebrate the Loaf" Contest. :tear

[MLE]

I AGREE. you need to help me think of other art contests. I WILL MEET YOU ON AIM.

[Emu]

Seeing this forum with activity is fucking weird

[Guitar Woman]

I'd like to thank Sam and this thread in general for making me remember the Catbread contest

[MLE]

I think I'll run some periodic contests for something, like, maybe an original sketch of mine or a stuffed animal or something that some people might get competitive over. I like the premise of the loaf contest, and I think i'll model the first one after it. I'd like to let the icon designing contest finish first, though.

[Tadao]

Will the stuffy smell like you and be wearing your undies?

[MLE]

most likely not

[bigtimecow]

this is my new favorite forum now

:love art shit :love

[bigtimecow]

oh, and hey, check out my exquisite corpse project! plz

[MLE]

YOUR PROJECT IS MLE APPROVED, BTC.

[Tadao]

You need to make an approval stamp. Maybe that can be a contest.

[MLE]

i'll make an MLE approved stamp ;> Cause you asked nicely!

[Fathom Zero]

I want the book of Luis Royo's "Dome" if anyone wants to know what to get me for my birthday.

[MLE]

Luis Royo is an amazing artist. I have a sketches book from him, and his poses and faces always give me inspiration.

[Fathom Zero]

He's always got something huge going with Heavy Metal. I was reading about him completing Dome on the ceiling of this Russian mansion and I was taken aback by it and how much it resembles the Sistine Chapel.

[MLE]

Do you happen to have a link?

[Fathom Zero]

I have the article. I'll see if I can scan it, or at the very least, get a snapshot of it.

Here's a link to the book: http://www.amazon.com/Dome-Luis-Royo/dp/1932413804/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199934939&sr=1-1

[MLE]

Thanks! I'd really like to see what he's done with it.

[Tadao]

I feel so bleh lately. I have a great idea for "Alarm", I just don't feel like creating it though. I don't have block, I have lack of motivation.

[MLE]

Tadao, I'd really like to see what you have for us ;< You have until Sunday to put it up ;o I've decided after every week, I'll repost the final versions of everyone's in the first post of the thread, then lock. I wish I had a sub forum under Art Shit to store this stuff in :<

[Tadao]

I think I'll just do a quick and dirty drawing of my Alarm idea. I like painting and drawing in the abstract, and I'm not feeling this one.

[Tadao]

http://www.popnko.com/Emily/MLEapproved.jpg

Very nice :)

[ZAKO the GREAT]

SHIT! where the fuck is all my stuff? i just lost all my uploaded stuffs (photo, artworks, docs, etc...) due to the email fucked-up :(

[MLE]

:< I hope you have copies saved on your harddrive :<

[Tadao]

I need to find a different style or art form. I don't feel the creative juices flowing any more. Has anyone worked with clay? I think it would be fun to make something and then paint it. I don't want clay that I have to bake, and I don't know if there is one that exists that is like that. I'm shure clay drys ok from the air, but what does baking do? Keep it from regaining moisture in the future?

[MLE]

clay changes the chemical composition of it. It turns some clays to porcelain and some to other things similar, obviously. There are some good air-dry clays out there, but it's hard to work with them, because they don't stay pliable until you decide to cook them. You might want to make a compromise and go for Sculpey. You don't have to bake it in a kiln, but you do bake it in an oven.

[Tadao]

how long in the oven? love the new art theme this week (wild).

[MLE]

it depends on how thick the clay is. you shouldn't make it more than 2 inches thick, because it will burn on the outside before cooking the inside. mainly it's like, 10-20 minutes.

[Tadao]

i'll look into it. thats not bad oven time. it's probably not as cheap as a lump of clay.

[Fathom Zero]

I felt compelled to put this here:

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5958/l95a4dc674bda26753e7e36wz8.jpg

[Fathom Zero]

You could turn the Weekly Art events into some kind of limited edition hardcover book at the end of the year.

[MLE]

It's a nice idea, but I don't think we have any sort of money for that.

[Tadao]

cut into the zombie fund

[MLE]

That's not my fund ;<

[Fathom Zero]

My mum said Staples can do 200 pages for $16, or at 8 cents per side. (duh)

So it wouldn't be too bad to mass produce one, or at least make a limited run. I'd preorder.

[MLE]

So, if the book was smaller, it would be cheaper? like, 100 pages for $8?

[Grislygus]

If anyone cares, I finished that 'Wild' drawing

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n157/grislygus/SavannahEcho1.jpg

[Tadao]

I like it a lot Gus! I see peniseses in everything now :(

[MLE]

Gus and Nick, both of your Wild drawings have been added to the Wild thread for posterity :>

Thanks for your dedication! I love it!

-MLE

[MLE]

Everyone also please check out the WEEKLY:Robot thread on page two for ZAKO's late addition!
http://www.i-mockery.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69698761&page=2

[Pub Lover]

Could you spoiler or NSFW it? Right now I'm fine, but I've had bosses that figure any sort of nipple is bad. :janetjackson

Unless all of you are more fortunate than I have been in the past.

[Tadao]

I'm going to have to scan my spiral submission.


Fixt

[Guitar Woman]

I thought of a fantastic photo for "Wild" today, but I wasn't even aware of the event before it got closed :<

I think these should run for two weeks, the one-week time period is a little bit restrictive.

[Tadao]

Yeah, and they could over lap each other too. So a new one running every week staying open for 2 weeks.

[Tadao]

Ugh, I edited my comment instead of quoting it!

Ok let's try again, is it gay to pencil in your art before painting over it with acrylic? I've just started working with acrylic and you can't do that with water colors, so I'm not in that habit.

[Grislygus]

No.

In fact, Andy Charles (you don't know who he is, but he's a good friend and a damned good artist so trust me) always pencils his stuff before doing watercolors.

[Grislygus]

In fact, go look up Andy Charles right now and buy a print, he's pretty much ignored.

[MLE]

Could you spoiler or NSFW it? Right now I'm fine, but I've had bosses that figure any sort of nipple is bad. :janetjackson

Unless all of you are more fortunate than I have been in the past.

FIXED

sorry. all the pretty colors made me blind to the nsfw.

[Fathom Zero]

So, if the book was smaller, it would be cheaper? like, 100 pages for $8?

Sorry 'bout the lateness, but yes. It should. I do indeed think that one could mass-produce a book for a fair amount like that.

[MLE]

Gloss color pages? I don't like spiral bound, but I guess I could live with it.

[Fathom Zero]

I believe so. They do binding.

[Tadao]

I'd probably pay full price and shipping for it. There is some great stuff. If you are considering this, you might want to add in the beggining of the weekly thread that thier art may be used for print unless stated that they don't want it to be.

[Tadao]

I'm not sure what he said in here but I went and looked at the completely uncalled for things he said in Tadao's thread and it just looked like an honest opinion. Is it really that big of a deal?

On that night he went to 3 peoples art threads just say negative things. In mine, he really didn't say anything at all. He didn't point out why my art should not be displayed, called my photo's photoshopped, blah blah. He was just on the rag or something. I don't like it (nor do most) because art is sensitive to some and we'd all like to see more of it, rather than have some guy who thinks he can draw faces tell other what they are doing wrong.

[Fathom Zero]

Rookie looks familiar.

[ZAKO the GREAT]

im currently doing some designs for a company (if anyone is curious, here the link to the company's site HERE.) (http://www.radioactive.com.my/)
and i need some photos like this :
http://wm50.inbox.com/thumbs/5_4f9df_53c1521b_oJ.jpg.thumb

so i need everyone (or anyone, so to speak..) girls or guys, who willing to help a poor soul:x, to send me pics of yourself, or anyone, wearning BLANK TEE, so i can place in the design...
and i might have nothing to give back to you guys in return, but please, help me.

if there's anyone who is kind enough to do me that favor, please pm me, ok?

[Tadao]

Do you need a white background or just a blank background?

[Fathom Zero]

I'll do it. Does it have to be white?

[ZAKO the GREAT]

Do you need a white background or just a blank background?
anything will do, any bg you choose. it need not to be white or blank. but i do think having something to show in the bg is always better.

I'll do it. Does it have to be white?
not rly. :lol

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you can actually do anything (eating, sleeping, fighting, shitting...etc...) it's just that i need it to be BLANK T-SHIRT (white tee is always the best, but it's AOK for other colors.) and it's visible for me to put in the designs. and the rest is up to you all. do anything you want!:rock
once i'm finish up, i'll post the picture here for you to see.

[Tadao]

So flip off the camera?

[Tadao]

The only blank shirts I have are very dark :(

[ZAKO the GREAT]

no worries,
http://wm50.inbox.com/thumbs/7_4f9dd_f3a62a1b_oJ.jpg.thumb

this is one of the pic i did. there'll be stuffs that will fit in a dark tee. so it's ok.

[Tadao]

Ok, I'll throw some your way Sunday if it's not to late. I have to bail over the weekend.

[Misdemonar]

Does anyone want to see my crappy art done witha touchpad? :(

http://robotmars.ytmnd.com/

[mew barios]

this board dries up pretty quick without constant supervision :/

[Chojin]

mle will be getting back shortly

OR ELSE SHE MIGHT LOSE MOD POWERS

[Tadao]

We could start photoshopping cliches and force her back.

[liquidstatik]

i really want to go to college to be an animator, but i'm pretty hesitant. [wasting money, debt, FAILING, etc]. someone give me some good news on the subject!

[Grislygus]

Still waiting for new events. And for the exquisite corpse to finish <3 :gay

[Pub Lover]

Pub <3 thanks for the support! You should draw something too, you know <3

I know. Sorry. :(

[bigtimecow]

hey art fags :hat

[Grislygus]

Hay guise, fix this for me
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n157/grislygus/MammaCabbage_1.jpg


I was just doodling out of boredom, but it's actually looking kinda neat so far so I wanna fix the halfassed lighting but it's really not my thing

Where can I ADD dark to fix all this here business?

[Colonel Flagg]

Thanks, Gris, for the new avatar. :rock

[Misdemonar]

i really want to go to college to be an animator, but i'm pretty hesitant. [wasting money, debt, FAILING, etc]. someone give me some good news on the subject!

me too :( don bluth is my animator hero

[Rez]

just before i graduate with this newfangled design degree from ucdavis i'm diving into the weird word of video and seeing if i can edit and animate on top of a 7 minute video i did that will be about design and social theory. just because. i'll know if i win or not by the end of the month :)

[sloth]

any chance of putting it up when youre done rez? id like to see it.

[MLE]

I'd like to see anything Rez has done <3 He needs to post more

[Rez]

i hope it's good enough to post. the last thing i did was a 90 second intro for a feminist film festival that actually got used both days, so they loved it but it felt too... PBS or something for me. like it was really obvious that this was my first quarter with aftereffects. so that's not getting youtube'd.
my goal, then, is to make something i feel good enough about to just toss out there for anyone to see

apparently this painstaking work of stubborn aesthetics isnt enough to net me the 2 credits i wanted, so i guess i'll also be participating in that NIN 'ghosts' video competition thing

this is so up in the air it's unreal, it is the definition of writing checks that i have no idea if they can be cashed. i sense either wild success, crushing mediocrity, or despondent failure.

either way i'll do my best to keep posting around here.

oh, side note: my design history class asked us to make ex libris bookplates based on what we've learned in class, from any point in time.

so i did this and now you know my full name:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/rez/CMCapture18.jpg

suprematism ftw

[Tadao]

Please don't say ftw ever again so that we can remain on friendly terms.

[Rez]

why would i be motivated to do that

shitcan that attitude boy, it's not like you have a reason

[Tadao]

Ok, I'll just file you under GW.

[Grislygus]

Bad judgment, that

[Tadao]

Your right Gus, as always. I guess it took Rez for me to change my ways and realize how cool the term FTW is. I shall use it whenever I can.

BTW you pictures are beautiful.

[Rez]

i missed out on all that drama anyway.
if internet acronyms get your dander up like some crappy english major then i'm not going to really regret that 'filing'

[Tadao]

i missed out on all that drama anyway.
if internet acronyms get your dander up like some crappy english major then i'm not going to really regret that 'filing'

FTW!!!1111!

[MLE]

Tadao, this one's okay, really. He's really just an artist that doesn't use the internet much, but is, in all actuality, one of the coolest cats around.

[executioneer]

more like one of the coolest jerks around

[MLE]

I'll agree to disagree :posh

[Rez]

i use the internet just as much as anyone here (probably more), it's just that specific kind of forum posting (tactfully choosing words to make people take you seriously even if your idea still sucks) has gotten old when you can just be forthright and post as yourself.
i understand, i guess, how some acronyms are supposed to be offensive as being the verbal shortcut of 13 yr old boys everywhere, i just dont give any respect to it because it implies this idea of being above it. suprematism could be described in a lot of nice words i have lots of art history books for, or it could just be described as 'fukken saved' because it's actually awesome outside of college

also, the art world online is full of defensive, exhausting, and overly serious deviant-tarts that i like to be polite and blunt for a change. this dudes talking like we wont be friends if i say the wrong thing. i dont need that nonsense.

but thanks MLE, i remember the things you posted before i stopped posting here regularly and it's nice to feel like i've developed since then :)

and just because this is art chat and not "rez' history with the internet and his overwrought rationalizations on why he posts like that", here's a pic i did recently that was just a typographic brainstorm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/rez/CMCapture23-1.jpg

[Tadao]

"this dudes talking like we wont be friends if i say the wrong thing."

:lol

[Tadao]

I mean ROTFLMAO

[sloth]

i like it! are you designing your own fonts, or is it just the composition you're playing around with?

a mate of mine is setting up a website for street art (im not 100% on the name by the way but that wasn't my call). we were kind of bouncing ideas around and i thought it might be a good idea to make actual whatpastes for the bannerspace (or whatever you call it - on this site, the area just above the navigation bar where the i-mock guy is).

that way, instead of having a graphic design - OK, but a bit sterile - he could have a rolling stock of photos, with the site name incorporated into each poster design (my idea being the photos could be as much about architecture - placement of the poster in a certain environment - as the poster itself). below is one of my try-outs. its just an idea so some bits are very shit - the fag (or cigarette :lol), the bottom of the tumour to his left. but if you have any constructive crits (can't tell what it's supposed to say? i suck at thinking in 3D, i was thinking of trying to mould it in blu-tac first for reference or something. any tips?) please share.

or, if you have any ideas, throw them my way - i'm thinking of spelling it out with the intestines of a seppuku guy too, should be fun.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o299/daveregan/tumourhead.jpg

[Rez]

that extra post was crass form, tadao. plebian, even.

thanks sloth, it's just composition and color exercises to see what works :)

i like the idea of different images rotating at any given visit, makes it at least seem a little bit as transient as the street art itself, and i like your illustration a lot. legibility is an issue though, because i have stared at it and i really cant make out the first word at all. it's 4am though. 4am legibility.

[Tadao]

that extra post was crass form, tadao. plebian, even.

FTW!!11!!1

[Grislygus]

Tadao.

hush.

Sloth, that dude looks fantastic, but the letters are much too difficult to make out for any kind of practical logo

[Rez]

FUCK

i know it's probably because i'm attempting something rather ambitious when it's pretty much only my second go-around with aftereffects, but is video editing typically really fucking slow like this?
in the last 4 days i've put in 30-35 hours and i *just* reached the 3 minute mark.
as for how it is so far, i'm going back and forth. i'm hampered by how much of this is figuring it out as i go along, on the other hand i have some pretty fine moments on here.

[bigtimecow]

yeah, video editing sucks :-/

it took me like 100 hours to edit an 8 minute movie

[Rez]

yeah mine is around that length too.

i finished about half of it, showed my advisor, and she's ticked off that i didnt get permission to use the music, even though it's a personal project, because she wants to see it submitted to various festivals and events once it's done because she thinks it's great.

if you're wondering the music is the first 8 minutes of Surgeon's "This is for you shits" DJ mix which has:

(intro) from tape archive
Scorn - Doors
DBit - Kero mix
Autechre - Laughing Quarter
British Murder Boys - Splinter
Aphex Twin - Vordhosbn

hopefully if i do want permission i'd only have to go through the label releasing the mix (Warp) and not Warp, Downwards, Scorn, Hymen, AND R.A.S.
i dont know how that shit works, but im guessing it's a fool's chance in MENSA.

but i guess i'm doing a good job?
i wish i were a better writer. i think what i'm trying to say is rather nuanced but it has to be succinct, readable, but presented in disparate chunks. i'm doing okay so far but i feel a lot of it is kinda... facile and not up to par with the visuals.
eh, that's what life is for. i'm not going to do the best thing ever at 23.

i have a screenshot or two. sorry about the size:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/rez/CMCapture24.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/rez/CMCapture26-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/rez/CMCapture28.jpg

it's been 5 days, i'm letting it rest until saturday.

[bigtimecow]

i love the fact that it's all typography-based. i'm a typo nut

once it's done you should youtube it.

[Grislygus]

agreed

[Rez]

hello mockery. i havent abandoned you like so many fickle persons. i've just been working on this nonstop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16JlbCkpsoI

[Fathom Zero]

High Five!

[bigtimecow]

5:33 pieced misspelled

but christ that was beautiful

[executioneer]

well as long as we're pointing out spell errors, aberrations is also spelt wrong @ 351ish

but maybe spelling errors are part of it intentionally, lord knows it fits the theme

[liquidstatik]

that was neat :o

[Rez]

yeah a few other things need minor tweaking. please, as embarrassing as they are, tell me all spelling errors. it takes 4 hours to render into an mov and i only want to do this again once.

oh and thanks for liking it :)

[glowbelly]

rez is designing my text tat. that's how much i admire is work, yo. seriously. clappity clappy clap.
oh and congratulate him because he is now a big adult and has a degree in something he loves - a feat that not too many people accomplish in life.

[Fathom Zero]

Writing Pro-tip #X: If it feels extraneous, it is. Especially if it's you that notices it.

[Rez]

what about when that someone is constantly plagued by self-doubt.
i doubt my design abilities on a consistent basis, and i think everyone close to me is tired of pulling me out of that hole (faculty included) and assuring me that i'll actually go somewhere now that i've graduated. i've raised the notion that maybe because i want to be nuanced so much it's feeling rather repetitious in the video, but i'm being told by lots of people that it's all good and i need to let go. my adviser said something i still dont quite understand: "it's more of a song than any concentrated message, i think if the message were the real emphasis it would get repetitive, but it isnt, so it's ok"

or something like that. all i know is the next one just has to be better.

[Fathom Zero]

what about when that someone is constantly plagued by self-doubt.

Rise above it. Or you shouldn't do art. But that little tip wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I was just saying it because I was editing something I was working on at the time and found several unnecessary sentences and a paragraph that needed to be clipped away.

[Pub Lover]

Rise above it. Or you shouldn't do art.

You're an idiot.

[Fathom Zero]

You're a virgin.

[Pub Lover]

"Yes, Madam, I am. But in the morning, I will be sober and you will still be ugly."

[Fathom Zero]

You know, the likelihood of finding true love decreases every day as you inch your way toward imminent, lonely death.

[Rez]

You're an idiot.
i think he's right in a way. i dont think it should be stamped out completely, because being totally self confident robs the drive to get better, but 'rising above it' could just mean having the moxie to do it and put it out there and believing in it.

[Fathom Zero]

Fuckin' A. I meant that you should give it around to other people before you start hacking apart your own work. It may be good. By that same token, you might think you work sucks, therefore what's the reason anyone else would think any better of it? It's something I struggle with a lot.

[Fathom Zero]

Actually, lemee condense that. There's a difference between you thinking your work sucks and you thinking other people think your work sucks.

[Pub Lover]

Oh man, Agreed. :(

[Rez]

i think it's a thin line that other people are much better at being paid to manage (agents) than people on the internet are. how to transmit excitement about your work but not look naive in comparison to much better work (which there always will be). how to sell your ideas to others while not coming off as an arrogant prick. knowing your flaws without being cowardly about them.... it's difficult and i havent seen many people handle it with grace aside from just keeping quiet and the explanations terse, but i like to TAAAAAAALK about it. there's a reason for everything. i like being kind of transparent about what i do because goddamn it i am onto something

but it's just not classy...

[liquidstatik]

so guys, how 'bout that art stuff? :eek

[Fathom Zero]

HOW ART IS IT?

[liquidstatik]

VERY ART D:

[liquidstatik]

I just found this picture I did sometime way back, it looks shitty now, but I was proud of it at the time :x

http://i25.tinypic.com/72ej28.jpg :O!

[sloth]

what about when that someone is constantly plagued by self-doubt.
i doubt my design abilities on a consistent basis, and i think everyone close to me is tired of pulling me out of that hole (faculty included) and assuring me that i'll actually go somewhere now that i've graduated. i've raised the notion that maybe because i want to be nuanced so much it's feeling rather repetitious in the video, but i'm being told by lots of people that it's all good and i need to let go. my adviser said something i still dont quite understand: "it's more of a song than any concentrated message, i think if the message were the real emphasis it would get repetitive, but it isnt, so it's ok"

or something like that. all i know is the next one just has to be better.
I thought I could cut it as a journo, but after three months at a fashion magazine I'd had enough criticism to confirm my own self-doubt. I knew there were worse writers in the business, and I envied their ignorance. Truth is, FZ is right. You do have to rise above it, or else face being drawn into a self-confidence freefall.

[Shrubfest]

Hey, a question: How do i manage to draw a A3 fashion pic? I'm a really small drawer, I can't stand making big pics, but now I have to do four for uni. Hints on making bigger pics?

[MLE]

The best way to let go of the small-picture inhibitions is to get a huge sheet of paper and intentionally draw something at least twice life-size. Try it a few times, and try to look for other things to make the space interesting.

[Shrubfest]

Okpoke.
I'll attempt it!

Wild crayoning at the ready.

[MLE]

Using crayons on their sides or messy charcoal and working in a large room where you can step back 10-15 feet from it really helps!

[Rez]

finally doing my portfolio.
it's going to be a book. a decent sized hardcover
and it's going to cost out the ass to make it.
if anyone knows a place that will print custom made books like lulu.com but will do it in large formats (10x13, 12x12, etc) let me know.
using shutterfly right now and it's going to kill my bank account.

[Fathom Zero]

I know Staples prints and binds books, but I don't know if they're hardcover or not or how much they cost.

[Rez]

well, i'm going through with it i'm going to eat it but i've seen examples and i cant think of anything more perfect.
made the cover using the most minimal execution that i liked of what the whole thing is largely about.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/rez/COVER-1.jpg

[Fathom Zero]

Das ist gut.

[MLE]

I <3 that plane.

[Pram Maven]

Anyone into clay animation? (mainly Claymation, Will Vinton's trademarked version of it)

I moved to Portland from Seattle to try to get work and so far got a test, but I'd sweep floors for them just to get a foot in the door.

My favorite stuff is Meet The Raisins and the Adventures of Mark Twain. Those films were on a level all their own. It's a shame clay kind of fell by the wayside in favor of cheaper materials.

[Tadao]

There sure are a lot of stickies :rolleyes

What are you art fags up to?

[Grislygus]

Colored inks





I'm moving up!

[Tadao]

No way! That would be like Sacks using crayons! Have you produced anything you like yet?

[Grislygus]

YES

so much so that I will not be putting any of it online until I can copywrite the sumbitches

[Grislygus]

God, they're so much more fun than paint, I've been looking for this

I'm doing abstract work, for crying out loud

[Tadao]

Damit Gus, I wanna see it NOW!

[Grislygus]

Ain't happening for a long, long time

[King Hadas]

Seeing artists improve used to inspire me. Now it just makes me bitter.

[Fathom Zero]

http://www.amazon.com/Poster-Print-Alphonse-Mucha-24x36/dp/B000YKSZTY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1243657166&sr=8-2

she's beautiful. Beauty like that doesn't exist in real life, en flesh-like vividity.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

^ Is there a guy peeking out from under her dress?

[Fathom Zero]

I can't see it, but then it's subjective I guess.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

It almost looks like a guys face looking down slightly file:///C:/Users/Elsa/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot-21.jpg

[Fathom Zero]

YOU'RE IMAGETAGTARDED

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

I know, I'll circle it when I get home.

[MLE]

I'm back for an unknown amount of time. No more games for me atm, and I have more artsy stuff to post soon. Lots of jewelry and digital stuffs!

[Fathom Zero]

!yay!

[MLE]

:D Have you missed me that much? <3

[Fathom Zero]

GOSH I MISSED YOU THIS MUCH

[MLE]

:O :O :O :O :O

[bigtimecow]

WHAT'S UP I'M HERE

edit: i've probably hyped this before, but for any art that i feel like sharing with the world read my blog dudes http://bigwhitemice.blogspot.com/

[MLE]

Neat! I kinda liked the idea of the self-referencing poem-book-thing. I'm really tired and all, but I'm going to probably get some of my stuff up soonish as soon as I figure out how to get photos of them all (my lens broke *crycrycry*)

[MLE]

SPEAKING OF WHICH does anyone want to donate a lens for a Canon Rebel XT to me? Yes?

[bigtimecow]

sure, i don't need like a thousand dollars :(

[hytuxrup]

Hi guys, Im a newbie. Nice to join this forum.
Would a new one like me be welcome here?
Thanks so much in deed.

[Tadao]

no we hate telemarketers and people who link to them in their sigs.

[King Hadas]

I'd like to see an art website that exclusively showcases bad artwork from respected artists. Something to show aspiring artists that the good stuff really doesn't spring out of nowhere.

[bigtimecow]

this duo k-rock and wolfy gave a talk at my school last semester, showcasing only rejected artwork/design (they do flyers, albums, and like ad campaigns for bands). it was interesting to see all the shitty shit that has to happen before something great can occur

SOMETHING EVERY ARTIST SHOULD KNOW

[King Hadas]

Whats the best art software? I've been using mypaint which I'm finding cumbersome (maybe I'm not using it right).

[Fathom Zero]

I saw someone use ArtRage with a tablet. It was way cool.

http://www.artrage.com/

[King Hadas]

$25? That's outrageous!

[Fathom Zero]

No. YOU are outrageous.

[Tadao]

Happy BDay MLE

[Fathom Zero]

I already wished her a happy derfbay.

[MLE]

:> I've been absent again. Sorry :<

[bigtimecow]

http://bigwhitemice.blogspot.com/2010/01/mudterror.html

i updated my blog with i think my favorite art piece since i started school

yaaaaay

[Tadao]

This is cool.

zr-LRsqoV5M

[Supafly345]

http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=40734042
NSFW

[Tadao]

That's got CIG all over it.

[Tadao]

http://www.moillusions.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Nice-Art-2.jpg

[Fathom Zero]

OH I SEE

THE SHADOWS

[Fathom Zero]

Anyone dig Jacek Yerka?

[Fathom Zero]

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/06/amazing_pencil_drawings.html

Holy fuck

[Grislygus]

FUCKING CHINESE DESTROYING ALL OTHER PHOTOREALISTS ON THE PLANET, I SWEAR TO GOD

[Fathom Zero]

well i was thurprised

[bigtimecow]

i make photorealism

with my eyes

skill is one thing, but...bleh

[Fathom Zero]

The subject matter is boring as fuck.

[bigtimecow]

especially that lion. awful composition

[Zhukov]

The lion is a photo the cats are a drawing.

Interesting story I read:




£50m Painting 'Not as Good' as £8 Telly
New findings stun art world


ART GALLERIES were last night facing the prospect of SCRAPPING all their masterpieces after experts proved that a telly costing just £8 was more than ELEVEN TIMES as interesting as the world's most valuable painting.
Scientists shut volunteers in a completely bare room containing Vincent Van Gogh's 'Sunflowers', an armchair and a small black & white TV, and then monitored their viewing habits for an hour.

chair
Amazingly, they spent an average of less than 5 minutes standing looking at the £50 million painting, before sitting down in the chair and watching whatever was on the television for the rest of the hour.

eel
"At first we doubted our results," said Professor Kent Walton, head of Statistics at Brunel University. "But then we checked and re-checked them and there was no mistake. Telly is loads better than posh paintings, and that's a scientific fact."

ladyland
When the experiment was repeated using the Mona Lisa and a copy of the Autotrader, the results were even more marked.

Disneyland
Sir Roy Strong, curator of the National Gallery, was devastated when we told him of Professor Walton's findings. "I have wasted my life," he said. "All this shit is going in a skip first thing tomorrow, I can tell you."

[MLE]

How about instead of scrapping it, they sell it to the black market and pretend it got stolen.

[Fathom Zero]

http://www.geekologie.com/2010/08/im_cool_with_a_stump_steampunk.php

if I needed a prosthetic arm, I'd want this sooooo bad

[MLE]

That's fucking awesome.

[monster_movie_night]

i like this
d1MQvvqYxxg

[MLE]

Uh, okay. In the future, post stuff like that in the YouTube thread in General Blabber, okay?

[Zhukov]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/Vincered/DSC_1048.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/Vincered/DSC_1050.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/Vincered/DSC_1070.jpg

I went to an awesome museum drilled into a mountain by an eccentric millionaire.

[Grislygus]

repost in art shit and i'll tell you how to fix it

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n157/grislygus/Apple.jpg

Awright Emily, I'm intrigued. USE YOUR ART MOD POWERS TO MAKE THIS PHOTOREALISTIC

[Grislygus]

Ignoring the obvious rough edges of a work in progress, of course

[Fathom Zero]

make it look more like an apple

:advice

[MLE]

Pop the lights and the dark more. The more contrast you have versus the picture, the more hyper-real it will look. If there's a way to have the sharp edge of the apple stay and have the other side of the color fade to the next, you might want to think about doing that. You should also add a basic shadow at the bottom so it's not floating in midair.

Once that's done, I'm not sure if I'd even have any other critiques. You're already very accurate in your work, and it just needs a few minor tweaks to make it look real.

[Ex Leper]

I'm starting to work on collages and other random craft projects. I'll be posting them once I get my scanner up.

[Pram Maven]

I agree, about upping contrast on the apple. When you do that, the saturation is generally also pushed up though, so you might want to dial that down. The specular highlights look really good. Is this being done on a wacom tablet?

[Grislygus]

no. touchpad.

[Pram Maven]

Looks like you get some good control with one. I use a mouse for everything graphical and it's not very comfortable. Sometimes an entire folder of images has to have a rig painted out or cracks smoothed. That's incentive for getting it right in-camera. Are you going to post the updated version?

[Fathom Zero]

this forum makes me want to art so bad but i cannot art and the only art i can do is photography and no one gives a fuck about photography

[MLE]

You know my stance on that, buddy.

[Fathom Zero]

http://jezebel.com/5802289/the-seven-deadly-sins-of-disney-princesses/gallery/

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG

Art Nouveau, mfkrs

[captain516]

I love shit like that
Edit: kinda similar
http://www.mkungl.com/2/images/content/cycletronZOOM_2.jpg

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c375/Locke9999/tombstone.jpg

[Kitsa]

I have synesthesia, mostly cross-wired numbers and colors, and I have the vague idea to paint a "synesthesia" series on smallish canvases. Various numbers in various fonts in the colors they are in my head.

I usually paint in acrylic but I think maybe acrylic won't make me happy with these. I've hated oils in the past but may have to go back to them.

Anyway, is this a stupid idea, do you think?

[Fathom Zero]

It's extremely personal, whether that's good or bad.

[Kitsa]

Well, in personal terms I think it makes all the difference as to whether I can muster any art or not. If everything just was what it was, I'd have no incentive to create.

For some reason, I am itching to paint a dark, bluish kelly-green 9. And then a red-orange 5.

[Fathom Zero]

I didn't mean personal things are bad - just that the meaning behind it is such that other people couldn't possibly appreciate it as much as you can. But go for it. I always like to see people doing things.

[Shrubfest]

I'd be interested to see that. If you could get the colours just right, it would be a prefect glimpse inside your brain.

[Shrubfest]

Soo, I've decided to learn to draw properly before I start classes again, as it was really holding me back and damaging my confidence. I'm working through a book called 'Drawing on the right side of the brain' by Betty Edwards. So far, it seems to be good, but I have yet to get to anything concrete.

Does anyone have hints/tips/advice/books to help me out? Much appreciated.

[Grislygus]

buy a few thick pads of 18 x 24 newsprint and do lots and lots of scribble gestures, focusing on being as fast and wild as you possibly can. fill up an entire thing of it, with multiple drawings on each page. Make damn sure you draw from life. It's important to have fun and just concentrate on speed, looseness, and drawing large. You should be able to have a reasonably detailed gesture completed in a minute's time. Then bust out a sketchbook and draw every day. don't worry about making "good" drawings, just keep focusing on speed, drawing with your arm as opposed to your wrist, while slowly and surely getting more accurate over time through repetition. You have to commit to it, though. it's like weightlifting, it only works if you're committed

[Fathom Zero]

Chojin, I dunno if you read this thread or anything, but didn't you say somewhere at one point that the AutoCAD suite is available for free to students?

[King Hadas]

Make damn sure you draw from life.
Why is this important?