CHAT ROOM THREAD VOTE: RELAUNCH OR REMAIN?

[Mockery]

The Chat Room thread here in General Blabber has just gone past 30k worth of pages. Quite a massive thread indeed! So now the question is this: should we put it in Thread Backups and create a brand new chat room thread here in General Blabber as part of the new I-Mockery? Or, should we leave the chat room thread as it currently stands in General Blabber.

I-Mockers, I leave this life-altering decision in your incapable hands.

:imock

[Tadao]

I voted for it's death. Because I'm new so everything should be new too. :P

[Spetsnaz]

I voted to keep it. Why? Because you voted the opposite and I like throwing a wrench in random peoples plans.

[comhcinc]

death.

[Emu]

What's the point in making another one? The only reason to do it is so I can wrench the sweet victory of post 10,000 from Milhouse >:

[Chojin]

I just did some speed tests on the various threads. Here are the results!

Median Base thread loading time: 1.47s
Median PYPH thread loading time: 1.83s
Median Chat thread loading time: 2.75s

Therefore, the amount of increased time it takes to read these threads (over new ones) is:
PYPH: 0.36 seconds
Chat: 1.28 seconds

Also, the amount by which each post increases a thread's loading time is ~.000037 seconds.

In conclusion, the loading time is negligible and this thread is important because it shows the world how serious we are about wasting our time. That is all.

[Tadao]

orly?

[Guitar Woman]

I think the opinions of people who have no idea what the fuck they're voting for should be excluded

[comhcinc]

way to throw out the whole american democratic process Guitar Woman

[Emu]

Your opinion stopped mattering the second you put the ! in your title.

[comhcinc]

what the hell are you talking about? my opinion never mattered. fucking weirdo.

[Emu]

You've earned my respect.

[Nick]

OH god, what have I done! It's tied now! The humanity!

[Tadao]

Emu gets 2 votes because of the mood swings

[Chojin]

So far rog and the noob patrol have tied it up.

I must say that if the noobs take away the chat room thread just because they want everything to be new like them, I might just have to rescind my policy of not yelling at everyone who steps through the door.

[Tadao]

I can understand why those who want it to stay would want to keep it. But those who vote for death, sshould explain themselves or thier vote shouldn't count. Cause it would just be a vote for bieng a dickwad.

[Guitar Woman]

yeah, really.

Fuck you guys.

[Tadao]

I would change my vote to keep it, because I thought of a better way to get Noobs to post in the chat thread then to start it fresh.

[Chojin]

Well even so, who cares if they don't post in that thread? They post everywhere else anyway.

[Nick]

I voted yes, because ROG threatened me with his large forearms.

[Emu]

Why not have two chat threads, one for vets only in a secret forum

[Guitar Woman]

I like them not posting there because it's like some kind of stupidity fallout shelter

well, except for when Seven Force is rambling around

[Moobs]

Thanks to Chojins numbers we know that moving it will do nothing so why do it gdamnit

[comhcinc]

i voted to kill because i are a dickwab, but really i don't care.

[Emu]

The point isn't to make it load faster, the point is to

wait, what is the point :rolleyes

[Tadao]

Well even so, who cares if they don't post in that thread? They post everywhere else anyway.


Dam man, you just squashed both points of getting rid of the thread.

Point 1 : Speed
Fail

Point 2 : Noobs will post there
Moot/Fail

[comhcinc]

i thought the points was just to be dicks

[Guitar Woman]

I have a gigantic ignore list all of a sudden!

[Tadao]

Good point.

What should we vote/change next because.

[Tadao]

Let's limit signatures to just text and avatar size to 50x50 to speed up browsing.

[Emu]

go to hell

[Guitar Woman]

this thread is basically the embodiment of what everyone was afraid would happen after the redesign and I think it should be deleted and then we forget it ever happened

[Chojin]

Well, I talked with rog about it for a while and whined and caroused and whatnot and I still don't understand what moving the thread is supposed to accomplish.

[comhcinc]

can we vote someone off the island? do we have an island? can we buy one?

[Guitar Woman]

shut the fuck up, esco

[MLE]

why would you kill a chat room thread? really? it's much easier to just go there to search if i knew it was in there. it would be much easier to keep it for reference purpose, and loading the thread makes no difference of a wait for me. Same with PYPH and Let's all get to know each other. Another purpose it serves is that it's the largest thread on the boards, and I feel that it would be counter-productive in building history here to restart it, even if the original is backed up.

[Emu]

bring postcounts back too

[Chojin]

no, fuck postcounts

they're still in your profile if you want to go polish them or something

[Tadao]

I'm now convinced he is enjoying holding his finger over the red button while people cry over thier beloved memories and others show thier nasty vendictive face (but still hide behind a blind poll).

I can hear him "Bwahahahaha"ing

[Guitar Woman]

I'd imagine his laugh to be exactly like Bowser's in Hotel Mario

[Emu]

but riiiiickyyyyyyy

[Mockery]

blahblahblah, stop whining about it and just cast yer votes. I'm not gonna move the thread if the vote to move it only wins by one vote or some shit, it has to be an overwhelming vote swing one way or the other. None of that 51% to 49% shit.

And regardless of what the outcome is, to those of you bitching about new users and their so-called "invalid" opinions: shut up. We get it. You've been here longer than them and therefore everybody else should think you're very special. Frankly, I'll take the new users who've actually been adding something to discussions on the site instead of 2 people in the chat room thread responding to themselves for an entire page. We've got some great "vets" on the forum, but we've got plenty that rarely contribute anything to a discussion, even though they're fully capable of doing so.

:themoreyouknow

[Emu]

seriously tho what would the new chat be? the same two people responding to eachother all over again, except with 1 page and a 1 second faster loading time

[MLE]

The chat room isn't going to change by making it restart. What is honestly the point? I haven't gotten that yet.

[Emu]

where is pub to weigh in on this

[Guitar Woman]

I see no problem with the way the forums were when I woke up this morning, why do you have to go being a TROUBLEMAKER

[Tadao]

Hah! Throwing gas on a fire technique? You are a sick man.

[comhcinc]

i think the point is a lot of new people find a thread with so many post in it hard to join. i gathered right away that it was a contuning chatter but some might not.

[Mockery]

As I mentioned before, it would be to give it a new beginning, to encourage new forum members to join in to chat and yes, why not reduce the additional load time if possible (which despite "the word of science" does exceed 1-3 seconds more often than not for me). But I've left it up to the users, it's your forum too, so you guys decide as a whole.

[Mockery]

i think the point is a lot of new people find a thread with so many post in it hard to join. i gathered right away that it was a contuning chatter but some mght not.
Possibly, but I think more discouraging to them is users like Publover quoting everybody who posts in the "new users: introduce yourself" thread and bitching about them. Not exactly the kind of thing that's gonna make new users want to join in... and if they do, it's just gonna create some whiny bitchfest between the two of 'em.

[MLE]

I think it encourages new forum members to join into the chat if it's huge and they're likely to fly low on the radar. I know I was like that and I was engaged to a mod.

[Guitar Woman]

but that's the kind of thing I come to this forum for!

It's what makes it fun!

[Guitar Woman]

The yelling at self-righteous new people, that is

[Guitar Woman]

Also, what the fuck kind of hurry are you in if you're getting peeved about 2 extra seconds

[Mockery]

The yelling at self-righteous new people, that is
More like self-righteous old people yelling at new people.

Also, what the fuck kind of hurry are you in if you're getting peeved about 2 extra seconds
I said that's a non-issue in terms of closing the thread and starting a new one, but if the speed can be improved, I don't see that as a BAD thing at all.

[Guitar Woman]

the only people who care about that kind of thing are the guys who are filling up entire pages with their own posts, which is the kind of thing you're complaining about.

And as someone who half does that anyway I don't even care about it. If you guys hadn't brought it up I wouldn't have even noticed.

[Mockery]

the only people who care about that kind of thing are the guys who are filling up entire pages with their own posts
Like you did on this page by making 3 consecutive posts instead of just editing one post to make your other points? The postcount is gone, Watson.

[MLE]

he can't edit. also, if you notice, no one's making a huge stink about wanting it gone.

[Guitar Woman]

So is my edit button. :rolleyes

[Guitar Woman]

GOD DAMNIT EMILY THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A SMOOTH MOTHERFUCKER RETORT GRR

[MLE]

:lol sorry to steal your thunder, kitten. <3

[Tadao]

obligitory : popcorn post

[Mockery]

So is my edit button. :rolleyes
This is something we shall have to remedy. Perhaps that will help reduce the pages in the chatroom where a person responds to himself 10 consecutive times.

[MLE]

no, his was taken away by eric on purpose.

[Emu]

It's funnier when he doesn't have it.

[Mockery]

Wait, so his alone was taken away? All other regular users still have access to it? What did he do that required his editing access to be revoked?

[Guitar Woman]

I AM TOO SELF CONSCIOUS TO BE TRUSTED

Although it would be useful to have it back because lately I've developed a habit of thinking of additional things to add to posts where I'm actually useful, but can't and just have to make more posts

If I get it back I promise to be good!

[MLE]

and that's agreed to by most people.

[Guitar Woman]

Eric took it away because I kept changing my posts into something completely different.

I blame Gadzooks for calling me out on it that one time in the Mockwars signup thread.

[MarioRPG]

But what would happen to the current one if there was a new one ;'(

[Guitar Woman]

He already said he'd put it in backups.

Like, 5 times.

[Mockery]

Eric took it away because I kept changing my posts into something completely different.

Well perhaps we'll restore it on a trial basis and see how it goes. I, for one, could do less with you making 3+ consecutive posts. :O

[Chojin]

He'd routinely go back to 'delete' his old posts, so I took away his edit button. I did it to one other person too (for the same reasons) but I can't remember who.

The 'problems' with the chat thread making new users feel unwelcome isn't a chat thread problem, it's a problem with those users. Pub quoting people and making fun of them only happens in the chat thread because he doesn't post in other threads - again, you are describing a problem with Pub, not a problem with that thread.

It also seems like you favor the new people over the older ones, unconditionally, and that only leads to resentment and cancelled accounts. One guy casting a vote for removing the thread on account of "i felt lik bein a dik lol" believe it or not should NOT carry equal weight to the people that have supported the forum for years. On the other hand, new people like Tadao who can actually express themselves in the King's English SHOULD have their opinions held on equal ground.

[Chojin]

Also I have given GW back his edit button no less than 3 times and he's given be a reason to revoke it each time.

[Guitar Woman]

you only did it twice, you pop tart

[Chojin]

I also encourage rog to run his own speed tests on the thread - Firefox has a counter at the lower right that tells you how long a page takes to load, so open a fairly empty thread a few times and then open the last page of chat a few times and compare the results.

The speed is dependent on the server hosting the database, not your computer, so the results should match mine.

[Tadao]

The backlash toward new people will be high and mighty. Do us all a favor, and stop doing us favors!

Dear Rog,
Can you hear me? It's me. Tadao

[Emu]

I used to play on a server of tightly-knit faggots on Neverwinter Nights and our admin went all queer and stated bending over backwards for a flood of new people from another server that shut down and all of the old people hated the new people so he banned the old people and then the server went down the shitter because the dedicated playerbase fell out.

This is kind of like that.

[Mockery]

He'd routinely go back to 'delete' his old posts, so I took away his edit button. I did it to one other person too (for the same reasons) but I can't remember who.
Ok, yeah deleting your threads isn't allowed. If you want to go back and correct something in your post or add onto it, that's one thing, but we don't allow users to delete posts.

again, you are describing a problem with Pub, not a problem with that thread.
There's a difference between Pub and that thread? Sometimes I can't tell. o.O

It also seems like you favor the new people over the older ones, unconditionally
Hardly. There are only a few older users in there who I see as problematic and thankfully they're primarily contained to that particular thread. Most of the people on this forum are genuinely good posters who want to have fun discussions, both old and new. Don't go making false accusations or assumptions about who I favor just because my thinking the chat room could use a relaunch doesn't coincide with your own opinions on the matter.

[Chojin]

And by the same token, don't go making assumptions that I care so deeply about a forum thread that I'd go making sweeping accusations on your persona based on that alone.

Because after all, that's what one of those goddamn vets would do, isn't it?

[Guitar Woman]

I DON'T NEED YOUR CIVIL WAAAAAR
FEEDS THE RICH AND BURIES THE POOOOOOR

[Tadao]

akward...

[Mockery]

And by the same token, don't go making assumptions that I care so deeply about a forum thread that I'd go making sweeping accusations on your persona based on that alone.

Because after all, that's what one of those goddamn vets would do, isn't it?
Nothing to assume there, your lengthy protests to me on AIM showed how much you cared for the thread and I gladly put up a poll to give everything a fair vote... you know, me being the EVIL SITE ADMIN WHO FAVORS NEW USERS, UNCONDITIONALLY.

[Guitar Woman]

why would it even need to be a question? Everyone loves the thread and you know it.

[MLE]

There are several people bending backwards to defend it, and you said yourself that you think users have a fair say in it.

[Mockery]

why would it even need to be a question? Everyone loves the thread and you know it.
Everyone = 7 votes? OMG

There are several people bending backwards to defend it, and you said yourself that you think users have a fair say in it.
Indeed they do and I stated earlier in the thread that I wouldn't move it if the vote to move it was only won by a few votes. It'd have to be a landslide vote to move it, which doesn't appear to be happening right now since it's closer to 60/40 in favor of keeping it as is. So what are you worried about exactly?

[Chojin]

Are you trying to convince me that I really don't have an issue with how you treat posters?

And again, I do care about the thread, but not enough to base my entire opinion of you around it. We both understand that, but maybe you're trying to be funny?

That said, it was probably out of line for me to call you out on that in this thread, so I'll take it to AIM if you want to discuss it.

[Chojin]

And the problem people are having isn't that reason is barely winning the vote, it's that it was arbitrarily put up for a vote to begin with.

[comhcinc]

as an outsider that really seems the be the best course Chojin

[Nick]

The blood lust in this thread intimidates me both physically and mentally.

[Chojin]

SHUT THE FUCK UP DONNY YOU'RE WAY OUT OF YOUR LEAGUE

[MLE]

And the problem people are having isn't that reason is barely winning the vote, it's that it was arbitrarily put up for a vote to begin with.

This was my problem, actually.

[Emu]

Same here. There was no motion to get rid of the thread by the posters, and it seems to have been an admin-side-only decision. It feels a little intimidating to know that one of our most cherished posts can be deleted (or left up to deletion, anyway) on a whim.

It reminds me of the i-Mockery Wikipedia article deletion thing :<

[Assuredly NOT ArrowX]

I cannot sit Idly by and let these newbie bastards kill the chatroom thread.

[executioneer]

guys its not emportant enough to fight about!!!!

[executioneer]

and its not a poll as to whether it gets deleted its a poll as to whether it gets locked + a new one made so it loads faster!

[MLE]

No one was complaining about it, and it's not broken. There's no need to mess with it!

[Zomboid]

I just don't see any reason to start a new one. I like that it's a gigantic thread that will only get bigger, even though it's filled with almost nothing but useless posts.

[MLE]

I agree. I think it's a good thing to have a huge thread for chatting so other threads don't get derailed as easily, and I don't see why it would need to be cleaned up. I think every forum should have a chat, actually. I find it's been useful in Art Shit.

[Assuredly NOT ArrowX]

It doesn't take it long enough to load, is that 1 second too fucking long? Damn kids who don't have experience with 56K internet.

[Mockery]

guys its not emportant enough to fight about!!!! And its not a poll as to whether it gets deleted its a poll as to whether it gets locked + a new one made so it loads faster!
Yep, but this is the I-Mockery forums where drama has the potential to pour in like torrential rain. Votes have already been cast 10 to 5 in favor of keeping the old thread so it's in no danger of being moved.

And there was a lil' discussion in the chat room thread about it beforehand (and on AIM with Chojin) before I put up this voting thread. But yeah, people are acting like it'd be deleted or somethin hahah

[Zomboid]

HEY MOCKERY HOW BOUT YOU STOP JOKING ABOUT THIS. THIS IS FUCKING SERIOUS KDFGKJN DFG OMFG I AM SO EFFING ANGRY AT YOU RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chojin]

ON A SIDE NOTE FUCK YOU GUITAR WOMAN

[Mockery]

GUYS, GUYS, GUYS... I DECIDED ON A GREAT SOLUTION TO THIS THAT I THINK YOU'LL ALL LIKE.

I'M GOING TO CREATE A NEW FORUM CALLED "NEW GENERAL BLABBER" AND I'M GOING TO MOVE EVERY THREAD IN GENERAL BLABBER THERE *EXCEPT" FOR THE CHAT ROOM THREAD. :):):):)

[Zomboid]

OMFG!!!!! AGAIN WITH THE JOKES!!!! U THINK THIS IS SUM KIND OF COMEDY ROOTINE?