Rammstein

[XtinaxFan]

I like them, learning German at school and they help me to stay motivated to keep going with it (trust me I'm not very linguist material).
Anyone know any similiar German bands of the Tanz Metall/Neue Deutsche Harte genre they could recommend?
And if you like/dislike them say why.
[feel free to complain about the "i-do-the-hitler-salute-everytime-I-hear-du-hast imbeciles]

[MetalMilitia]

I've always wanted to see one of the live concerts - apparently they're pretty spectacular.

[XtinaxFan]

Yeah me too, they use all the pyrotechnics in their shows. Apparantly their new album will be out later this year and then a world tour. Their site sort of useless for new info though, so check out herzeleid. c o m
Would love to see them live, can live in hope.

[liquidstatik]

i don't like them at all, because they suck :x

[mew barios]

check out oomph! if you haven't. GlaubeLiebeTod is a good album

[Dommin]

Neue Deutsche Harte is the actual genre's title. If you like Rammstein, check out Megaherz, Oomph!, Eisbrecher, Die Krupps, and Laibach.

[XtinaxFan]

Thanks for the suggestions.
[knew about the genre title, I say tanz metall because its more explanatory of the sound though]

[Dommin]

Neue Deutsche Harte=New German Hardness. Much more descriptory. I don't know many people who dance to Rammstein. Mosh? perhaps. No dancing, though. Unless you call moshing dancing, like Men Without Hats did.

Anyway, when you're looking over the Die Krupps stuff, you'll probably like their newer stuff more than their older stuff. It's more Rammstein-like, while their older stuff is more electronic based.

[XtinaxFan]

[quote=Dommin;541423]Neue Deutsche Harte=New German Hardness. Much more descriptory. I don't know many people who dance to Rammstein. Mosh? perhaps. No dancing, though. Unless you call moshing dancing, like Men Without Hats did.

No man, you can dance to Rammstein. No windmills needed, just be creative (and drunken helps). Moshing is an expression of angst - for misunderstood pit fearing kids, yeah...
Tanz though = dance, when you think dance you think electronic elements, not much of that in metal (generic metal like what you think instantly like Slayer) but lots in Rammstein. But little things man, irrelevant. As long as its good.
I'll be sure to check them out, didn't Richard leave to join that band? Or no thats Emigrate (sp?), nevermind.
I'm enjoying our chatting, its cool to hear someone else pro European music. Great how different languages, foreign bands are getting more global success, like I don't know any Korean bands but we all know American ones y'know.

[Dommin]

I've never seen anyone dance to Rammstein. Just moshing, or headbanging.

I know what Tanz means. Mostly due to the Laibach song, "Tanz Mit Laibach"

Ein, Zwei, Drei, Vier!
Bruederchen, Komm Tanz Mit Mir!

Slayer also isn't generic metal by any means. Generic metal would probably be Nu-Metal..which, like Rammstein, isn't really metal at all.

Richard's still in Rammstein. Maybe you got confused because his last name is Kruspe? Not Krupps. :P Die Krupps outdates Rammstein by 14 years or so.

I listen to a lot of European bands because they make more of the music I like (Industrial, Metal, NDH) than American bands do. I'm just a victim of circumstance.

[XtinaxFan]

I've never seen anyone dance to Rammstein. Just moshing, or headbanging.

I know what Tanz means. Mostly due to the Laibach song, "Tanz Mit Laibach"

Ein, Zwei, Drei, Vier!
Bruederchen, Komm Tanz Mit Mir!

I listen to a lot of European bands because they make more of the music I like (Industrial, Metal, NDH) than American bands do. I'm just a victim of circumstance.

Wish I was as intellectual as you! :worshipYou know your stuff, thats cool. But hey we all start somewhere though :newbie. I just meant like what you think of when you think metal, like you can think something like DBZ when you think cartoon even though its an anime.
I'm not good at expressing stuff :\
Who left Rammstein? There used to be six right? This looks like job for Wiki...
I love industrial, just the pounding :maul rhythem/beat just gets me everytime.
Do you know Pendulum? I've heard their new albums gonna move into a more industrial zone.
Are you from Europe? I'm from UK - part of Europe that fears Europe.
Just heard Helden by Apocalyptica, has Till Lindemann feat on it. Takes a while to build up but its great after that.
Ein, Zwei, Drei, Vier!
Bruederchen, Komm Tanz Mit Mir!
1.2.3.4
Brother (?) come dance with me.
Yeah my german is furchtbar

[sspadowsky]

Goodness from Rammstein:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_k-vPv-XEpg

[Guitar Woman]

i don't like them at all, because they suck :x
:D

[Pub Lover]

Like you have any taste, GW.

[Guitar Woman]

Every time that fucking DU HAST MIE song comes on the radio I seriously consider killing myself to get out of hearing it

[Pub Lover]

Baby, fly to NZ, fuck me, then kill yourself. ;(

[Dommin]

Wish I was as intellectual as you! :worshipYou know your stuff, thats cool. But hey we all start somewhere though :newbie. I just meant like what you think of when you think metal, like you can think something like DBZ when you think cartoon even though its an anime.
I'm not good at expressing stuff :\
Who left Rammstein? There used to be six right? This looks like job for Wiki...
I love industrial, just the pounding :maul rhythem/beat just gets me everytime.
Do you know Pendulum? I've heard their new albums gonna move into a more industrial zone.
Are you from Europe? I'm from UK - part of Europe that fears Europe.
Just heard Helden by Apocalyptica, has Till Lindemann feat on it. Takes a while to build up but its great after that.
Ein, Zwei, Drei, Vier!
Bruederchen, Komm Tanz Mit Mir!
1.2.3.4
Brother (?) come dance with me.
Yeah my german is furchtbar

To my knowledge, there's still six.

Haven't heard of them, I'll check on them.

Anything by Apocalyptica's good. Especially when Till's involved.

One, Two, Three, Four,
Little Brother, Come Dance With Me. :)

[XtinaxFan]

To my knowledge, there's still six.

Haven't heard of them, I'll check on them.

Anything by Apocalyptica's good. Especially when Till's involved.

One, Two, Three, Four,
Little Brother, Come Dance With Me. :)

Pendulum are awesome. Its like a drum & bass vibe so I don't know whether it'll be to your tastes, but they attract a pretty wide audience not just dance fans.
"Blood Sugar" is the famous song, the Hold Your Colour album is amazing. "Tarantula" gets played in the rock clubs...
Or just check out their "Slam" music video on YouTube. if that doesn't convert you nothing will :)
Apocalyptica rock, windmilling and cello is a damned good combination.
Bruderchen right. I'll remember that one, like in Spielt Mit Mir.

[Girl Drink Drunk]

Every time that fucking DU HAST MIE song comes on the radio I seriously consider killing myself to get out of hearing it
Please do.

[Hangie]

Hey, I was just about to start a topic about rammstein, ya know what they say, idiots flock in groups.

Anyway today in school I had to go for a "check-up" of sorts at the guidance counselor and when I said one of my favorite bands was rammstein he said " The ones the columbine kids liked?" with a look of serious fear one his face. Now I'm probably going to be reported as unstable or something :(.

[Cedar]

I've always wanted to see one of the live concerts - apparently they're pretty spectacular.
They seem to be really fun, but most of their music sucks.

[XtinaxFan]

Anyway today in school I had to go for a "check-up" of sorts at the guidance counselor and when I said one of my favorite bands was rammstein he said " The ones the columbine kids liked?" with a look of serious fear one his face. Now I'm probably going to be reported as unstable or something :(.[/quote]

I did a presentation about Columbine and used Rammstein clips (cited as an influence, I argued against).
Go on Wikipedia's Rammstein page, if the school give you hassle quote their official statement about the incident ("could not have caused it").
Or just start singing Weisses Fleiss - lyrics include "you in the schoolyard, shoot to kill".
Depends on whether your tactics are offensive or defensive :)

[Hangie]

Yea I'm pretty sure if I did that my school would go into a lockdown because I live in asinine liberal Massa2shits ( Im so clever :D), also, my favorite song is zwitter. What be yours?

[XtinaxFan]

Yea I'm pretty sure if I did that my school would go into a lockdown because I live in asinine liberal Massa2shits ( Im so clever :D), also, my favorite song is zwitter. What be yours?

I live in a boring grey little English, like suburbia thats like 10 mins away from rough areas XD
Zwitter is an amazing track :orgasm
I'd have to say "Bestrafe Mich" (so damn many, "Du Reichst So Gut" with that instrumental) or "Mutter" itself - I know *shock* a single but its the first one I really connected with and made me get into them more.
Song I hate though "Kuss Mich", off the Sehnsucht album. Those little cartoony sound effects make me cringe everytime, its just like a joke thats not funny.
See i'm not some "sun shines out their arses" person, I can be rational.

[Hangie]

[QUOTE=XtinaxFan;541787
See i'm not some "sun shines out their arses" person, I can be rational.[/QUOTE]

what does that mean my friend?

[XtinaxFan]

what does that mean my friend?

People think you're obsessed with a band when you post threads about them - apparantly.
Meant as a reply to a friend who was like "you love Rammstein too much, they're not perfect y'know"
No disrespect meant!
Do you have a song you dislike?

[Hangie]

I dislike the song "Santa Fay" in the film "Newsies"

[Dixie]

I only remember one Rammstein song, that Du Hast song. It's fun to sing in kareoke when you're really drunk.
I was like Xtina in the fact that I used Rammstein in my german class (sadly more than a decade ago) for a report on german entertainment. But 'm a Rammstein poser since I only know the one song.

[Dommin]

I did a presentation about Columbine and used Rammstein clips (cited as an influence, I argued against).
Go on Wikipedia's Rammstein page, if the school give you hassle quote their official statement about the incident ("could not have caused it").
Or just start singing Weisses Fleiss - lyrics include "you in the schoolyard, shoot to kill".
Depends on whether your tactics are offensive or defensive


A) It's Weisses Fleisch. Means "White Flesh".

B) It's:

"You, in the schoolyard, I am ready to kill,
And no one knows of my loneliness."

The song is about a perverted sex act, not murder. :) Which is the case for almost every Rammstein song, actually.

[Dixie]

The song is about a perverted sex act, not murder. :) Which is the case for almost every Rammstein song, actually.

In the case of most germans I know everything's about a perverted sex act....

[Hangie]

In the case of most germans I know everything's about a perverted sex act....


Even making a PB&J !?

[Dixie]

You'd be surprised...especially if there are feet involved.

[Sethomas]

I guess Rammstein is still a bit of a guilty pleasure for me. Rosenrot totally sucked though, I have no idea why they decided to take all the tracks not good enough for Reise, Reise and try to stand them up on their own.

I've seen them live twice, once in 1998 and then in 2001. As a 14-year-old watching them with my older sister, the stage theatrics when Till simulated the rape of Flake for the song "Bück Dich" with a power-loaded 12-inch phallus were somewhat awkward.

I met them before the show in 2001 and I asked them, in stuttering German, to play the song "Feuerräder". They weren't amused.

I'd say that I used to have them on a pedestal because they were "my band", I listened to them years before anyone else had heard of them, I had to defend them throughout the Columbine fallout, yadda yadda. Nowadays, I think that they do have a tendency to get rather formulaic. I remember at one point noticing that most of the songs on Sehnsucht had basically the same musical structure as every Wesley Willis song. They're really at their best when they write a song that keeps changing directions. Hence, my favorite songs of theirs would have to be Heirate Mich, Adios, and Mein Teil along with the formulaic ones like Kokain, Engel, and Du Riechst so Gut.

All in all, I'd have to say that Mutter is their best album. When Mutter came out, I could easily prognosticate that their fourth album (to come three or so years later) would follow on the trend of sounding ever less organic and far more calculated. I thought that going this direction from Herzeleid to Sehnsucht was a bad thing, yet from Sehnsucht to Mutter is became a good thing. Surprisingly, Reise, Reise had for me basically the same feel as Mutter, it just wasn't undertaken well or as consistently.

While I do like the title track, Rosenrot managed to invoke the spirit of Rammstein that I first grew to love as an early teenager while using it so poorly that the album is almost unlistenable.

As far as other "similar" groups go, I tried to give Megaherz a listen and found them abjectly idiotic. At the 2001 Rammstein show, they had people passing out Megeherz fliers that were like, "Do you like GERMAN LYRICS? Do you like METAL? Do you like BEER? Then you'll LOVE Megaherz!"

The other German band that I adore is called Die Toten Hosen. Up until the mid-90s (they've been around for a long, long time) they were distinctly punk, and while most people still call them punk they've certainly evolved into a very universally pleasurable form of it that just seems like generic rock. Their really is no way to convey how fucking amazing DTH is, whether for their socially conscience anthems or their gut-wrenching emotional catharsis or their elegies to drinking and fucking. It's frustrating because they'd be bigger than U2, I think, if people had the patience to learn their lyrics.

[Dommin]

The other German band that I adore is called Die Toten Hosen.

Die Toten Hosen is pretty decent. I've never been able to really get into them, though. On the upside, they did make it into Guitar Hero 3.

And I liked Rosenrot. It wasn't the best Rammstein record by any means, it's still quite nice...very sing along-y.

[XtinaxFan]

[quote=Sethomas;542248]I guess Rammstein is still a bit of a guilty pleasure for me. Rosenrot totally sucked though, I have no idea why they decided to take all the tracks not good enough for Reise, Reise and try to stand them up on their own.
I've seen them live twice, once in 1998 and then in 2001.


Yeah Rosenrot isn't a favourite of mine either. They said about Rosenrot coming out so soon after Reise Reise that it was like when a baths hot enough for two washes.
Yeah but they forgot that the water becomes dirty by the second time around, Rosenrot was a weaker album.
I'd love to see them live, I missed my chance in 2005 :\

[liquidstatik]

They said about Rosenrot coming out so soon after Reise Reise that it was like when a baths hot enough for two washes.
Yeah but they forgot that the water becomes dirty by the second time around

they set themselves up for that pretty gooodd :x

[XtinaxFan]

Found a cool remix today: Buch Dich with the Prodigy's Voodoo People.
Works surprisingly well considering Buch is such a harsh sounding song.

[Trash]

I don't like Rammstein because every song I've heard from them sounded like Just One Fix with more synths and nazimongering about gay rape.

[BlackHexen]

Aaaahhh, Germany, Finland's allie in WW2. Yeah i Like all kind of industrial metal, and Rammstein is at the top of the genre. Wisted lyrics and militaristic sounds are just great. My favourite song is "Stripped".

Other similar bands: Lacrimosa (gothic industrial rock Fron Germany), Death stars (Gothic industrial from Sweden, very similar to rammstein, but sings in english), Laibach (A classic of militaristic industrial from slovenia, sings some sings german-language), Eisbrecher and Megahertz (Both from Germany and pretty similar to Rammstein, but i don't like them, kinda poor sound).

[Bod]

I've never seen anyone dance to Rammstein..



oh I hAVE!! I went to K17 club in Berlin last December. Three floors of alternative/metal/industrial stuff. I happened to visit when they had Rammstein night on the second floor. Lots of Germans singing, shaking fists, dancing, waving arms about and gesticulating angrily. A sight I'll not forget for some time. Every single song Rammstien has ever done I'll wager. It was rather a lot.