Destroying evidence at guantanamo

[Geggy]

The last time I checked, destruction of evidence and obstruction of justice are criminal offenses by US law.

Jailers at Guantanamo urged to destroy interrogation notes: lawyer
1 day ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) — US interrogators of "war on terror" detainees were instructed to destroy handwritten notes that might have exposed harsh or even illegal questioning methods at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, a lawyer for one of the prisoners said Sunday.

Navy Lieutenant Commander Bill Kuebler said in a statement sent to reporters he considers the notes crucial to the defense of his client, Canadian Omar Khadr, during his upcoming murder trial by a special military tribunal at the US naval base.

Kuebler said the instructions were handed down to interrogators from the US Department of Defense as part of a standard operating procedure or "SOP" directive that he obtained from prosecutors last week.

If they were carried out, US interrogators may have "routinely destroyed evidence" that might have been used to defend the Khadr and other detainees, Kuebler charged.

"If handwritten notes were destroyed in accordance with the SOP, the government intentionally deprived Omar's lawyers of key evidence with which to challenge the reliability" of alleged confessions made to military interrogators, Kuebler said.

He cited in particular one passage of the directive to military interrogators stating that "this mission has legal and political issues that may lead to interrogators being called to testify."

"Keeping the number of documents with interrogation information to a minimum can minimize certain legal issues," the policy statement said, according to Kuebler.

Khadr, 21, a Canadian, is the youngest detainee held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The son of a suspected Al-Qaeda financier, he is accused of being an enemy combatant in Afghanistan, where he was arrested as a 15-year-old in 2002 on suspicion of links to Al-Qaeda and of killing a US soldier.

Since then, Khadr has been held at the US naval base at Guantanamo Bay, and faces an upcoming US military commission on terrorism charges.

The controversial military tribunals were established by US President George W. Bush at the end of 2001 to deal with "war on terror" suspects.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i-zyzl9b2BIadvTXq9nLKc4AePGg

[Geggy]

"Khadr, 21, a Canadian, is the youngest detainee held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The son of a suspected Al-Qaeda financier, he is accused of being an enemy combatant in Afghanistan, where he was arrested as a 15-year-old in 2002 on suspicion of links to Al-Qaeda and of killing a US soldier."

Now with the destroying of evidence, we'll never be able to know if this accusation is actually true or not.

[Jeanette X]

Shut the fuck up Geggy. I can't take anything you say seriously, you tin foil hat wearing 9/11 truther holocaust-denying ufo-watching bullshit-spouting fuckwit. If you told me the sky was blue I'd run outside and check, you arrogant, patronizing, ass. Even when you offer something valid its like sifting through a metric ton horse manure to find a penny. Who the fuck do you think you are, the great Messenger of Truth coming to enlighten us foolish, blind sheeple?

[Geggy]

the great Messenger of Truth coming to enlighten us foolish, blind sheeple

Lol I wish I was great. I think you're just scared shitless and just don't wanna face the facts. Period. Now go out there and find me osama bin laden.

[Girl Drink Drunk]

I think the sad thing about this is that some these new posters are actually defending him and kissing his ass.

[Geggy]

Awww where did you go?

You're displaying the typical intellectual of americans who deny that the history of nazi germany ever existed which i find more insulting and dangerous than those who deny the jewish holocaust. Once again i want to get through your thick skull, i never denied the jewish holocaust ever happened, I'm skeptical of the total number of jewish who were exterminated, because i was presented the facts.

[Geggy]

I think the sad thing about this is that some these new posters are actually defending him and kissing his ass.

That is because more people are waking up. Turn off mtv and get on with the times.

[Girl Drink Drunk]

I don't have, nor do I want, MTV, dickface. I think the crowd that watches that, or in my country's case, Much Music, would be more apt to believe your inane ramblings.

[Geggy]

If you want to act like you are superior, throwing ad homien attacks isn't the way to go about it. it'll only slow you down.

[Jeanette X]

Lol I wish I was great. I think you're just scared shitless and just don't wanna face the facts.

I can't face facts? I know damn well how deeply our president disregards civil liberties and human rights, I just don't trust what YOU have to say about it, you fuckwit.

Once again i want to get through your thick skull, i never denied the jewish holocaust ever happened, I'm skeptical of the total number of jewish who were exterminated, because i was presented the facts.What bullshit! You get your "facts" from a bunch of fellow conspiracy nuts, not from any academic consensus, you pseudo-intellectual. How am I supposed to take you seriously about the Holocaust when you put up a bunch of pictures of barbed wire fences and then sarcastically said that they were proof of concentration camps in America? And the thread where you put up a link the Auschwitz Museum where it suggested that the numbers for Majdanek concentration camp may have been overestimated and you put up a laughing smiley face and snide rhetorical questions? How am I to infer that you don't deny the Holocaust? How am I to to interpret your posts as anything but willingness to profoundly disrespect the victims of a genocide in order to make some idiotic political point?

You aren't interested in rational debate, you just want to be as provocative and shocking as possible because you think that we're complacent for not buying into your pet conspiracy theories, and you therefore see it as your holy duty to shock and jar us "sheeple" out of what you see as cognitive dissonance with your oh-so-clever and brilliant postings, you smug, self-satisfied prick. Oh, you provocateur! You wild political agitator! You revolutionary! Fight the power! You're so informed, what would we ever do without you to help us see through the lies?!

[Geggy]

Bwhahaha you hypocrite.

I was only laughing at you people because you have not once taken my perspective seriously. Not once, instead you just mockmockmock and laughlaughlaugh at me. I'm not going to rehash my opinion every time I post and play ping pong with you. So I'm just going stand by and let time abide my side as it rolls on, I'm going to keep on posting articles and links until it become evident to you that my percpetion at least has some validity that the country is in danger. Few years ago, people have laughed at me when I expressed my opinion that we may very well be heading toward economic downturn. Tada! Look where we are now! 350,000 jobs have already been lost since january as of this year and the value of dollar is going in a downward spiral. You know how I knew? Because I at least listened to different opinions. And now you're going to keep moving the goal post one step back?

Btw I didn't get my facts on 9/11 from conspiracy websites. I got my facts from a general sergent who stood post at otis air force on the morning of 9/11. (tada! I'm from massachusetts and I've met a lot of ppl!) So why don't you shut the fuck up, stop mocking what you deem as a pet theory and at least for once consider that my perception has some validity?

[Pub Lover]

No, Shut Up! :hum

[pac-man]

Shut the fuck up Geggy. I can't take anything you say seriously, you tin foil hat wearing 9/11 truther

:lol

gdd - do you actually post, or do you just officiate

I'd like to ask a follow-up question? Do you ever throw the first stone, or do you just always jump on an insult bandwagon after someone with something more clever to say has said it?

Vote for me, 2012!!

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[Tadao]

Kinda like you're doing right now?

[Geggy]

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Sorry my sk2 camera sucked...

OH!

[pac-man]

John Kerry resembles Hermann Munster.

[Pub Lover]

LA LA LAAAAA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU GEGGY! MY FINGERS ARE IN MY HEARS AND I CAN'T HEAR THE WORDS ON THE SCREEN NOW!

[Jeanette X]

I was only laughing at you people because you have not once taken my perspective seriously. Not once, instead you just mockmockmock and laughlaughlaugh at me.

I mockmockmock and laughlaughlaugh because you are stupidstupidstupid.

I'm not going to rehash my opinion every time I post and play ping pong with you. Jesus Christ, nobody asked you to! That's the last thing I'd ever want to do with my time!

So I'm just going stand by and let time abide my side as it rolls on, I'm going to keep on posting articles and links until it become evident to you that my percpetion at least has some validity that the country is in danger.
The fact that you think that I'm unaware that the country is in trouble just shows how patronizing and arrogant you are. Do you really think that I've been asleep for the past eight years? I know damn well the country is in trouble, I just can't stand the bullshit spin you put on it. Do you honestly think that by bombarding the board with more and more links that I'll suddenly take you seriously? That I'll run weeping to you, throw myself at your feet, and mewl "Oh Geggy, please forgive me for not seeing your brilliance! You were right all along!"? Don't hold your breath, you vindictive child. You're just like Kulturekamf, posting his pseudo-philosophy here and expecting us all to fawn over him and supposed brilliance.

Few years ago, people have laughed at me when I expressed my opinion that we may very well be heading toward economic downturn. Tada! Look where we are now! 350,000 jobs have already been lost since january as of this year and the value of dollar is going in a downward spiral. My goodness, Cassandra the prophet here predicted a recession! Nobody else foresaw a recession! Why, surely that means that he's correct about the Holocaust and 9/11! Tell me more of your visions, you modern day Sybil! I shall set up a golden tripod at Delphi, and kings from the world over shall come to hear what you have to say!

You know how I knew? Because I at least listened to different opinions. I'm sure you have had many fascinating Socratic dialogues with the homeless man who lives behind the 7-11 and is convinced that the CIA is transmitting information to Illuminati through his fillings.

Btw I didn't get my facts on 9/11 from conspiracy websites. I got my facts from a general sergent who stood post at otis air force on the morning of 9/11. *gasp*
Why didn't you say so sooner?! That changes everything! Your claiming to know a military man who was a Otis Air Force on the morning of 9/11 totally validates everything you've said! Yes sir, I'm sure he's far more reliable a source than anything else out there!

(tada! I'm from massachusetts and I've met a lot of ppl!) Gosh-a-rootie! You're from MA and you've met a lot of people! What credentials you have!

So why don't you shut the fuck up, stop mocking what you deem as a pet theory and at least for once consider that my perception has some validity?I think the rest of my post is adequate explanation on why I will never take you seriously.

[pac-man]

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[Girl Drink Drunk]

:lol
I'd like to ask a follow-up question? Do you ever throw the first stone, or do you just always jump on an insult bandwagon after someone with something more clever to say has said it?

I'm pretty sure I was the first to insult you and Kybo, and I didn't need any convincing from other members to form the view that that this recent flock of idiots is one of the reasons why this forum is turning to shit.

[pac-man]

Oh, sorry G double D. I kinda don't pay you any attention, so I was really just going off of this thread. Sorry to turn your beloved forum to shit. There are others:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/
http://www.reuniting.info/node/362
http://www.ibsgroup.org/forums/

[Girl Drink Drunk]

Yeah, that's too bad. You sure got me there.

[Kybo Ren]

huh- I thought this thread was gonna be about evidence destruction, instead it's just ganging up on geggy. oh well, when in rome.....
What happened to the biker scout geggy? you need him giving gw a chest bump


I wish I could be the first to insult someone, that that is awesome!

[Geggy]

Jeannette,

YEAH! So what is your opinion on the article in the first post?

:lol

[Geggy]

I remember this now

http://www.i-mockery.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19566

I was mocking the website that had provided photographic evidence that detention camps were popping up all over the country. At the time, I thought it was work of fear mongering directed at political dissidents to silence them. But i soon learned that it was fo' real. :(

[Geggy]

Anyway back to the point. I remember reading about this the other day, about the 20th hijacker (number 2). Although no explanation was given, i am wondering if the decision was based on lack of evidence because it was destroyed?

Charges dropped against alleged 20th hijacker: Pentagon Tue May 13, 2:55 PM ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Five alleged co-conspirators in the September 11 attacks have been referred for military trial on capital charges, but charges against a sixth -- the alleged "20th hijacker" -- were dropped without explanation, the Pentagon said Tuesday.

Susan Crawford, the convening authority for the US war crimes trials, "dismissed without prejudice" charges against Mohammed al-Qahtani, a Saudi who was subjected to harsh interrogations at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said Crawford gave no reason for dropping the charges.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080513/wl_afp/usattacksguantanamolegal_080513185535

[Jeanette X]

EARTH HAS 4 CORNER SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY TIME CUBE IN ONLY 1 EARTH ROTATION. 4 Corner Times CUBES EARTH. If a God existed, he would be EVIL to DENY 4 Opposite Corner Days Simultaneously within a 4 Quadrant Earth Rotation. It's Simple Math, IF NOT FOR Academic Lobotomy. AS ONE, YOU DO NOT EXIST, neither does the Earth or any God. All exist as unified mirror Opposites with a Zero value Existence. As ONE, Created Opposites cancel to nothing.
I am flabbergasted that the
"big brother" hired pedants
can brainwash and indoctrinate
the powerful antipode human
mind to ignore the simple math
of 4 simultaneous 24 hour days
within a single rotation of Earth,
to worship one and trash three.
Can you tear and burn the bible, which
represents Biblistic Selfnic Bastardism -
contradicted by Cubic Creation of Family
and Village Tribal Perpetual Bodies. If
not, you are self-indicted as DUMB and
EVIL SPINELESS WORD ANIMAL,
totally ignorant of Nature's Cubic Life.
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I possess data, with proof,
that will absolutely blow the
lid off the present civilization.
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If the United States buries 80,000 tons of
nuclear waste inside Mother Earth, for our
children to inherit, then Americans will be
the most evil bastards to ever inhabit a planet.
A proper burial spot for nuclear waste is under
academic institutions and in Washington D.C..
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Dr. Gene Ray, the Wisest Human,
lectured on his Time Cube discovery at
Georgia Tech, on April 14 at 7 pm.

[Geggy]

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[Jeanette X]

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[Zhukov]

EARTH HAS 4 CORNER etc etc



Hahaha. Loves it.

[Jeanette X]

Hahaha. Loves it.

Thanks. I pulled it from timecube.com. It isn't a joke, either. The guy who made it is dead serious.

[Geggy]

you are making me very ANGRY