the dark knight

[darkvare]

so i went to the midnight showing and boy is this movie awesome heath ledger can't be recognised he plays an awesome part as the joker i reccomend everyone to see it i won't spoil anything and is a long movie:rock

[Fathom Zero]

Saw it. I thought it was ending when it wasn't and all sorts of stuff.

Better movie than I expected, but there were no surprises I couldn't see fifty miles away.

[pac-man]

Just got back from it. In my humble opinion, this is the be all end all of comic book films. It's what The Empire Strikes Back was to sci-fi, what the Lord of the Rings trilogy was to fantasy. Great acting, great plot, great pacing, great action... in a word, the movie was great. Heath Ledger was phenomenal. That's The Joker, period. And that's not to put down Cesar Romero's portrayal or Jack Nicholson's portrayal or even Mark Hamill's voice over work. They were all three excellent within their respective continuities; however, Ledger's performance is defining. That's a lofty statement, seeing as how the character belongs to the comics first, but, to be honest, this Joker encapsulates the finer aspects of the character that have been introduced by the myriad of writers that have handled him. Aaron Eckhardt was excellent as well. All of the A-list supporting cast elevated the film. There's not enough that can be said about Christian Bale. People may argue about who's the best James Bond till they turn blue, but it's a short conversation about who's the best Batman and Bruce Wayne. All around great film. Christopher Nolan gets it. John Favreau got it with Iron Man. They're two of the only guys so far that have had the ability and sight to not only put the comic on screen, but translate the material in a way that will satisfy fanboys, thrill casual fans, and introduce newcomers without putting off any of them. My favorite film of the summer, my new favorite Batman movie, and I recommend it to anybody and everybody. Now I've just got to get my girlfriend to go see it with me... she's a coulrophobic.

[Fathom Zero]

People may argue about who's the best James Bond till they turn blue, but it's a short conversation about who's the best Batman and Bruce Wayne.

Yeah, Val Kilmer.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

Yeah, Val Kilmer.

:picklehat

[pac-man]

Touche... :rolleyes

[Fathom Zero]

By the way, I like how Lucious Fox wears denim shirts.

And the bank robbery at the beginning was masterfully designed. I liked the buzzsaw-like sound that kept recurring at certain points of the movie.

[Nick]

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/636/whysodeadol6.png

[Sacks]

Why so pee

[Girl Drink Drunk]

Sad :lol

[Fathom Zero]

Why so Doc?

[Guitar Woman]

why so 2 Pez

[Nick]

I have horrible penmanship.

[Tadao]

Why December 1956

[Sacks]

Is that a Conway Twitty song?

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

I was really wowed by the Dark Knight. I even liked Aaron Eckharts performance(and that's saying a lot from me). The only thing I did not like about it was Batman's head looked really fat.

[Angryhydralisk]

I'm seeing this as soon as I can. I hope it shatters records. Spider-Man 3 holding any records sounds pretty gay to me.

[Fathom Zero]

It made $18.5 Million on midnight alone. This thing's gonna destroy every other movie ever made.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

Apparently Geno Walker had this to say.

Geno Walker (http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-47249) of Charlotte, North Carolina: "Unless you hate yourself, you should go see this movie immediately. Stop reading this right now and go to the nearest movie theater. It doesn't even matter if the show has already started. Buy a ticket, walk in halfway through, sit down and wait for the next showing to start. See it soon and see it often. You'll love yourself more if you do."


So, apparently if you hate yourself you should not see this movie. But it's okay to pay twice as much and only get 1.5th of the movie you should go. Brilliance Geno.

[MattJack]

it was aight. It wasn't OMGWOWZORZ, but it certainly wasn't anything close to bad. Joker was def the best part of the show.

I never saw the first one, so don't know if that matters :\

[Guitar Woman]

So according to IMDb, this is the #1 movie of all time.

[Girl Drink Drunk]

Don't worry. I'm sure you'll find some way to make a scathing review on the film and/or call it overrated :rolleyes

[Guitar Woman]

I'm not planning on seeing it!

[Fathom Zero]

I thought the last movie was a shitfest and I wouldn't have seen this one had my friend not bought the tickets and this ended up being my favorite movie of the year, followed by Wall-E.

[Guitar Woman]

Well, I thought Batman Begins was ok, if only because Scarecrow is my favorite Batman villan.

Microwaving a city on such a large scale would have just fried everyone, though, that was retarded.

[LordSappington]

This had the best interpretation of The Joker I've ever seen, I think. It's good to see a dirty, grimy, deeply mentally unhinged Joker. I also liked how they didn't explain him at all; he was really just there one day.
Also, I got claw marks in my arm from the girl next to me at the pencil part. No fun.

[Nick]

While I liked the new Joker, I wouldn't say it's that much different from the current comic book version. Though it is much better than Jack's version, how impossible that may seem. My favorite part of the film though was Two-face, I want to see more of him.

[Fathom Zero]

Also, I got claw marks in my arm from the girl next to me at the pencil part. No fun.

He did make it disappear, though.

[pac-man]

Best fucking magic trick ever.

[Nick]

That was fantastic, it made the movie for me.

[pac-man]

My favorite part of the film though was Two-face, I want to see more of him.

Agreed. Heath Ledger and the script made The Joker shine, but I've always found Two-Face to be the more compelling villain. He deserves a shot a being Batman's number one foe on the screen. Unlike every other member of the rogue's gallery save Catwoman, Batman and Bruce Wayne have an emotional attachment for Two-Face. I loved how the animated series had Batman waking in a cold sweat over how he couldn't save Harvey.

[Nick]

Agreed. Heath Ledger and the script made The Joker shine, but I've always found Two-Face to be the more compelling villain. He deserves a shot a being Batman's number one foe on the screen. Unlike every other member of the rogue's gallery save Catwoman, Batman and Bruce Wayne have an emotional attachment for Two-Face. I loved how the animated series had Batman waking in a cold sweat over how he couldn't save Harvey.
I loved how they made Two-face look in the new film. I would love if the next film detailed his downward spiral into a psychotic maniac. Also him getting some revenge on a certain Clown Prince of Crime would be lovely.

[Fathom Zero]

Except for the fact that Heath Ledger is dead.

Then again, it is a Batman movie. It's easy to swap people in and out of roles. I think Gary Oldman should be Bruce Wayne.

[Nick]

Except for the fact that Heath Ledger is dead.

Then again, it is a Batman movie. It's easy to swap people in and out of roles. I think Gary Oldman should be Bruce Wayne.
Heath may be dead, but after seeing the movie I believe that any actor that had a similar build to him could feel in his role. Also, the fact that he is wearing heavy clown makeup over his scarred face for about 95% of the movie does help.

[pac-man]

It's becoming sadly evident that the next movie just won't be as good as The Dark Knight.

[Phoenix Gamma]

I wasn't crazy about the movie. Everyone I know acts like it's the second coming of Jesus, but Heath wasn't all that super (good, but not Oscar good) and the rest of the cast didn't really impress me at all (I still don't like Bale).

I'm sure I wouldn't have been so underwhelmed if people didn't make such a big fuss over it. Oh well.

[pac-man]

Everyone I know acts like it's the second coming of Jesus

There's no fucking way the second coming of Jesus will be half as good The Dark Knight. I'd wager God himself is watching that shit on IMAX right now saying, "Note to self: When creating next universe, cast Heath Ledger as Jesus; replace walking on water with disappearing pencil."

[MarioRPG]

Did anyone realize that for a guy about chaos and anarchy, Joker was really good at long term and complex planning?

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

Calculated chaos

[liquidstatik]

He did make it disappear, though.

SPOILER TAG, ASSHOLE

[Krythor]

Did anyone realize that for a guy about chaos and anarchy, Joker was really good at long term and complex planning?

I read that review too.

[Nick]

I liked how they kept connecting the Joker to punk rock, and it turns out he just had a boner about anarchy.


That's not all there is to punk rock. :(

[liquidstatik]

They forgot the drug addictions and bad parenting :x

[LordSappington]

He did make it disappear, though.

She didn't find it as funny as I did. :(
Also, that bitch ate like half my box of Milk Duds!

[Tadao]

Next time leave your mom at home then.

[Nick]

Tadao always knows, always.

[liquidstatik]

this movie wasn't that cool

[Fathom Zero]

I went to see it again and it just didn't hold up as well the second time.

Also, the other SWAT officer sitting shotgun in the van holding "Batman" was really really really really annoying.

[liquidstatik]

joker blowing up the hospital in a nurses outfit was probably the best part of the movie :o

[Fathom Zero]

I've shared that sentiment.

[Girl Drink Drunk]

I went to see it again and it just didn't hold up as well the second time.

Also, the other SWAT officer sitting shotgun in the van holding "Batman" was really really really really annoying.
I was thinking the same thing :( This is supposed to be an epic movie and they doing stupid movie theater-aimed jokes.

[Fathom Zero]

"YOU BETTER HAVE SOME MOVES"

"GO FASTER"

"GET US OUT OF HERE"

[Girl Drink Drunk]

Or mabye it was another SWAT guy I was thinking of that was like "THIS IS NOT GOOD!"

[Fathom Zero]

That chase was my favorite part of the movie and probably one of the few parts I liked both times.

By the way, I say Harvey's not actually dead.

[Kybo Ren]

Finally saw it, If Heath was still alive- people wouldn't be so kind. Great, not outstanding.
Harvey should still be kicking for round Two.


But the one thing that is haunting me is that horrible grotesque face!!!
Seriously that shit makes me want to spew.
That evil foulness was uncalled for and innappropiate for a comic movie, shit any movie

http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl1/2/20652/19_2008/maggie.jpg

[Girl Drink Drunk]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh

[Girl Drink Drunk]

I would have rather seen them go with good old-fashioned makeup effects or some kind of latex piece. To me this is a bad example of CG effects in a live action movie. I enjoyed the movie (though not as much as I would have hoped) and it's a small gripe, but the scarred face didnt look natural in CGI.

[Nick]

If you guys had read any comics recently, you'd all know Two-face looks awesome now.



http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/image/TwoFace_3.jpg

[Krythor]

You call that awesome? He looks like Red Skull.

[ScruU2wice]

I didn't see the first one, so I feel like I was missing the whole jealous batman thing. Bruce Wayne seemed like ultra prick to me and he shares no personality traits with batman.

This movie was way more intelligent than I expected. I thought it was gonna be. I was just assuming that it was gonna be transporter 2 with batman characters.

spoiler

ok I really can't stand people not assuming a guy is wearing bullet proof vests. really no one has ever shot bat man before? you don't think every goddamn cop is wearing a bullet proof vest when the mayor's life has been openly threatened? you don't think Keamy would be wearing a fucking bullet proof vest when he rigged a boat to blow up and had the arsenal of a small country to take down the stupid lost island.

[Girl Drink Drunk]

I think Bale intentionally played Bruce as a spoiled, rich asshole to give him this facade to hide behind. Bruce has been like this in the comics at times, probably to keep people from getting any hints that he is Batman. Considering he is goes around fighting crime in a tank-like vehicle, and using hightech armor and gadgets that cost a fortune, people might start to wise up if he displayed the same intelligence and brooding demeanor as Batman in the office. It's kind of like the differences in character between Clark Kent and his alter-ego.

[Fathom Zero]

Like the dinner conversation when he's dating the ballerina.

[bigtimecow]

does anyone remember the line "have a nice trip; see you next fall"

:lol

[liquidstatik]

yeah i kinda :lol at that

[Fathom Zero]

No, but I remember "They'll cast you out,... like a leper!"

I laughed at it, even though no one else did.

[Sacks]

I was thinking the same thing :( This is supposed to be an epic movie and they doing stupid movie theater-aimed jokes.


Huh? Theater-aimed jokes?

[executioneer]

i still think m. hamill is a better joker but only by a tiny margin

this movei was pretty good! not like edge of your seat thrilling good, but i'd say it's the best batman movie i've seen!

[Girl Drink Drunk]

This was probably a poor choice of words, but I meant the kindof dumb jokes or comic relief moments that seem to be put there just to get a few cheap laughs in the threater (see Van Helsing).

[MattJack]

My gf wants to see this again this weekend ;_;

She loves Batman in her defense tho

But I dun wannnnnnnnaa see this sh*t againnnnnn

[MiKE8_3]

This movie roars across the screen. It grabs your attention from the start and it won't release you until the final gripping frame. It doesn't matter if you're a Batfan to really enjoy this, but if you are, it makes the movie that much more intense. Heath Ledger did the Joker justice. Christian Bale IS Batman. The Dark Knight rocks....anyone who says otherwise is...well...frankly, they're missing out.

[Nick]

I like them both. :(
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4831/jacknicholsonjokergossiei5.jpg

[liquidstatik]

http://pic.photobucket.com/bwe.gif

:rolleyes

[Sacks]

Hey liquidstatik you moron your bandwidth exceeded.

[liquidstatik]

:lol

[executioneer]

This movie roars across the screen. It grabs your attention from the start and it won't release you until the final gripping frame. It doesn't matter if you're a Batfan to really enjoy this, but if you are, it makes the movie that much more intense. Heath Ledger did the Joker justice. Christian Bale IS Batman. The Dark Knight rocks....anyone who says otherwise is...well...frankly, they're missing out.

hey mike8_3 i think you posted this in the wrong place, you're supposed to only post in the threads about the articles not in here

[Nick]

Hey liquidstatik you moron your bandwidth exceeded.
Yeah, what a dick.

[HickMan]

It was a fun rollercoaster of a movie~

[liquidstatik]

Yeah, what a dick.

GJ editing your post, now i look dumb & i can't edit mine >:

[Sacks]

Haaaaaaa

[Nick]

GJ editing your post, now i look dumb & i can't edit mine >:
Absolutely no idea what you're talking about. :squigly

[the Platinum Poppy]

I loved it! Things to love about the Dark Knight:

1. The Joker, obviously... Yes, he deviates from the way the Joker is portrayed in the comic by his grungy looks. But a true-to-the-comics Joker wouldn't have fit into this kind of movie. In the comics, the Joker's real face is clown-coloured, because he was mutated. And that works in the comic, because comic-book Batman lives in a universe where this kind of weird s**t happens all the time. But the movie is set in a more realistic universe (I don't say realistic, just more realistic...), so the clown-face has to be make-up. And the make-up gets more and more messed-up the longer it has been worn, which is how make-up actually behaves. You can see he looks a little better again in a scene where you could have expected him to patch up on the paint since last we saw him.
And he's truly credible as a guy who's dangerous because there are no limits to what he could do, and he doesn't play by the same rules as the rest of us. And that has always been the most important thing about the Joker, which is captured great.

2. It's great that the Joker doesn't get any "origin" that explains him. It's always so stupid where some pop-psychological cliché s**t is pulled out in a movie or a book to explain a truly weird psychopath of a character...

3. There's this issue about how far it's reasonable to go in fighting terrorism, if it's okay to become as bad oneself in an attempt to keep up... And I love the whole thing with Batman going all Big Brother and spying on everyone in an attempt to find this one terrorist, and Lucius objecting.

4. SPOILER: I loved the ferry incident too... Yes, it ended allright, with one prisoner stepping up as a hero (pretty cliché though that he had to be big and black), and the civilian citizen who said he'd finally blow the prisoner boat up finally lost his nerve. But Batman didn't know how close it was that the Joker's expectations were fulfilled... To the audience it sounds really naive when he says that the people of Gotham chose good, since we've been treated to scenes where they vote about blowing up a whole ferry of other people to save their own skins, and the blowing-up-solution wins big time.
5. All the cast was good... And Rachel's problems of making up her mind about which guy to choose were credible. Not like, say, Mary Jane in Spiderman 2. MJ basically goes "Okay Peter, since you're always late for dates I'll punish myself for your behaviour by picking some random guy who I don't really love and spend the rest of my life with him!". I mean, that's not the behaviour of a sane adult woman, she's being completely psychotic. With Rachel you can understand her qualms. And I love that she has the ability to keep her head cool in all situations and is portrayed as far braver than the average person... otherwise she'd just look extremely helpless beside the big brave men. Like Kim Basinger's horrible Vicki Vale in the first Tim Burton movie, who just screams and screams till your ears start to bleed.

So I'll have to agree with this site's review! It was a great movie!

Plus I'm not even annoyed by the "bat-voice"... If he's really gonna disguise his voice when talking to people who knows Bruce Wayne, growling out the sentences like a death metal singer with a cold is probably the best way. And then I guess it just became a habit over time, so now he automatically speaks like that whenever the suit is on.

[Sacks]

The bat voice is only bad when he has to say long sentences. It's super effective when he's grabbing people and going "SWEAR TO ME".

[Nick]

4. SPOILER: I loved the ferry incident too... Yes, it ended allright, with one prisoner stepping up as a hero (pretty cliché though that he had to be big and black), and the civilian citizen who said he'd finally blow the prisoner boat up finally lost his nerve. But Batman didn't know how close it was that the Joker's expectations were fulfilled... To the audience it sounds really naive when he says that the people of Gotham chose good, since we've been treated to scenes where they vote about blowing up a whole ferry of other people to save their own skins, and the blowing-up-solution wins big time.

Don't diss the prisoner, man. It was Deebo!

http://codeforfun.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/deebo.jpg

[Mintrude]

Don't diss the prisoner, man. It was Deebo!

http://codeforfun.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/deebo.jpg

Even better, he was Zeus in No Holds Barred!

[ScruU2wice]

probably spoiler








about the boat thing,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma

beautiful mind did it. :rolleyes

[Zomboid]

It was incredible. That's all I can say.

[the Platinum Poppy]

Nah, it's not a prisoner's dilemma. Because: In a prisoner's dilemma situation, there's a pareto optimal solution that would have been reached if the prisoners would have made their decision together. I e, in the classic setting, both keep silent and both get off lightly. But since they're in fact deciding indepently of each other they won't do this.
In the ferry situation, the Joker has set things up so that if both boats refrain from blowing the other one up, the Joker will kill everyone anyway. So the question there is: Trying your best to save your own skin by killing other people, or go down in a noble way? Pretty different. Sorry for lecturing, but I teach philosophy so I just couldn't help myself. ;-)

[darkvare]

you kow i thought it was gonna go like this
the normal pople would use the detonator thinking they would blow up the prisoners boat but instead blowing themselves up just like the joker did with the dent vale situation

[Fathom Zero]

The Joker would've killed them all, anyway. It didn't matter which boat clicked first.

[Dimnos]

The Joker would've killed them all, anyway. It didn't matter which boat clicked first.

This is what i was thinking. As soon as anyone hit it, both boats would go up. :lol

[Krythor]

My idea for an exchange of dialogue in the new Batman movie!

Batman: Tonight the good guys are gonna win.

Joker: Don't ya know Batman!? Nice guys ALWAYS finish last!

Batman: ... I never said I was nice!

FIN.

[Fathom Zero]

I saw the Incredible Hulk last night and man, that was a shitfest in comparison.

[ScruU2wice]

Nah, it's not a prisoner's dilemma. Because: In a prisoner's dilemma situation, there's a pareto optimal solution that would have been reached if the prisoners would have made their decision together. I e, in the classic setting, both keep silent and both get off lightly. But since they're in fact deciding indepently of each other they won't do this.
In the ferry situation, the Joker has set things up so that if both boats refrain from blowing the other one up, the Joker will kill everyone anyway. So the question there is: Trying your best to save your own skin by killing other people, or go down in a noble way? Pretty different. Sorry for lecturing, but I teach philosophy so I just couldn't help myself. ;-)

touche

[ScruU2wice]

spoiler question.








at the end gordon says that dent killed 5 people and 2 were cops. I counted pub guy, maroney and his driver, and that's it.

[Fathom Zero]

Yeah, either I was missing something or that was a big continuity fuckup.

[pac-man]

Yeah, either I was missing something or that was a big continuity fuckup.

Maybe that's this film's version the joker playing card from Begins. One of the victims turns out to be none other than *dun dun dun* Solomon Grundy!!!!

:goth

Honestly I didn't notice that mistake. Hopefully it is intentional and has good ramifications in number 3

[Rez]

i just assumed my inability to keep details in my head like that and assumed there was some side action/insinuation i missed.
pub bartender?

aside: prisoners dilemma solved when people who ratted each other out would be known as a rat and promptly outcast/killed.
it'd have been interesting to see if a ferry full of people would be blamed for killing a bunch of prisoners when all was said and done or if the stick would be passed to the joker

either way i thought they were totally going to blow themselves up. that probably would have been what happened if it hadnt been so close to the end of the movie, actually. but batman had to have his sppech about people not being as depraved as he is. whatever. batman voice sucks with long sentences. all that labored breathing makes it clear how super hokey it is.

[pac-man]

The guy at the bar was a cop.

[Zomboid]

spoiler question.








at the end gordon says that dent killed 5 people and 2 were cops. I counted pub guy, maroney and his driver, and that's it.

When Gordon says "Five dead," what five is he referring to?

[spoiler=id2]


At the end of the film, Gordon says, "five dead, two of them cops," referring to Harvey Dent's (Two Face's) victims, but it isn't completely clear how Gordon arrived at this number.

Here is what we know and what we can speculate on:

The first death was Detective Wuertz, who Dent shot in the bar.

Then, just before the car ride where Dent kills Maroni, we see Maroni get into his car with another passenger entering from the other side. Maroni is surprised when he starts talking to the person who is supposed to be in the car with him, and then realizes it's Dent instead. We can assume Dent killed the passenger to take his place in the car.

Next was Maroni's driver, who Dent shoots, and then Maroni himself, who we presume died in the resulting crash.

The tally is now four: Wuertz, Maroni's driver, Maroni, and the unnamed passenger.

Since Ramirez (the female cop) was only punched out and not killed, the fifth would have to be the cop in the hospital, the one who goes to retrieve Harvey, only to be gunned down by the Joker. Since no one knows that the Joker was there, it would be presumed that Harvey killed him--though we in the audience know better.

Gordon might mean Dent himself. But that would only leave one cop among the five dead; and he says there are two. It's also possible that more of Dent's murders were filmed but cut out of the final release, resulting in this slight continuity problem.

[Fathom Zero]

I don't think that anyone was supposed to remember that cop. Also, there was another cop there that I assume the Joker killed, because his absence is what sent Cop #2 in the building to begin with.

[pac-man]

So... no Solomon Grundy in number 3? :tear

[Jeanette X]

I didn't think it was all that great. :iconoclast

For starters, with Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne, all I could think was "American Psycho!" That wasn't Bruce Wayne talking to his friends, it was Patrick Bateman. Heath Ledger and Two-Face were good, but that isn't what bothered me.

It bothered me that the city looked too...normal. Gotham shouldn't look like just Anycity, USA, it should look like a dark, forbodeing metropolis. Tim Burton said that he wanted Gotham to look like "As if Hell came sprouting out of the concrete and kept right on growing.", He made sure to make it look scary and perpetually gloomy. That's what set the mood in Burton's movies, and made them enjoyable for me. But in this movie, so much of the action took place in broad daylight, it wasn't even remotely gloomy. It just didn't have the right atmosphere, at least not in my opinion.

Furthermore, since when does Batman operate out of a simple basement? What the hell happened to the Batcave? A little lame, if you ask me.

[liquidstatik]

I agree with the setting being too normal for gotham city, but I think the simple basement fit his personality more than a cave would have. :x

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

Furthermore, since when does Batman operate out of a simple basement? What the hell happened to the Batcave? A little lame, if you ask me.


I think he originally worked out of a basement or an abandoned complex, but he used to drive a poo brown buick too. Then later was the Batcave.

[Jeanette X]

I agree with the setting being too normal for gotham city, but I think the simple basement fit his personality more than a cave would have. :x

How so?

[liquidstatik]

he was all about lookin' sharp and gettin the ladies, and the plain white basement with bright lights just kinda fit that. to me, at least?

i'm no movie critic, though!

[Jeanette X]

he was all about lookin' sharp and gettin the ladies, and the plain white basement with bright lights just kinda fit that. to me, at least?


Nah, it was too bare and stark. If that was what they were going for, they should've made the room look more sleek in some way.

By the way, did anyone else notice that the mayor was wearing eyeliner?

[ScruU2wice]

or he was super egyptian.




racist.

[Krythor]

He was in a "basement" because Wayne Manor burnt down in the first movie, so why would he drive all the way there just to lurk in a cave? It was even mentioned in the movie by Alfred. JEANETTE, you are still a dope.

It's so depressing just how great The Joker was. It was almost so good that I could easily have seen the third movie introducing no new villains and just being him and Two-Face again. That line in his final speech about him and Batman being able to "do this forever" or whatever would have been the most exciting thing I had experienced since the joker card at the end of the first movie if I didn't already know that Heath Ledger was too dead to come back for another one. Gosh darn it.

PS Say what you will about Adam West; his movie was the only one where Batman was the best character (and not the WORST.)

[Krythor]

Also, I don't know why, but one of my favourite parts was the Joker clapping along with all the police officers when they make Gordon the commissioner. Fabulous!

I predict that if Nolan decides to do a third, Two-Face will come back and Gordon will be forced to admit that it was Dent that committed the murders thus clearing Batman's name. Then I guess I could either see Bane or the Riddler. Both could work; I could see the latter portrayed more in the terrorism vein, remaining hidden and sending clues, that kind of thing. It doesn't have to be that Jim Carrey garbage again. But a portrayal of Bane that isn't completely horrible would be nice to see too.

Why is the Scarecrow a wuss now? I expected more out of that cameo. OH WELL.

[executioneer]

He was in a "basement" because Wayne Manor burnt down in the first movie
i mean i'm looking
down on wayne's basement. only
that's not wayne's basement

[Zomboid]

He was in a "basement" because Wayne Manor burnt down in the first movie, so why would he drive all the way there just to lurk in a cave? It was even mentioned in the movie by Alfred. JEANETTE, you are still a dope.


Yeah.

I think it would be pretty easy to fit the riddler into that world. He's not too far-fetched and erasing the memory of the jim carrey riddler would be great.

Also, I really like scarecrow. I was hoping that he'd have more to do in this one, but I was glad that they brought him back just the same.

[Nick]

Originally, there was only a secret tunnel that ran underground between Wayne Manor and an old barn where the Batmobile and Batplane were kept. Later, in Batman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_%28comic_book%29) #12 (August-September 1942), Bill Finger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Finger) mentioned "secret underground hangars". In 1943, the writers of the first Batman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_%28serial%29) movie serial gave the Caped Crusader a complete underground crime lab and introduced it in the first chapter entitled "The Bat's Cave". Bob Kane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Kane), who was on the movie set, mentioned this to Bill Finger who was going to be the initial scripter on the BATMAN Daily Newspaper strip. Finger included with his script, a clipping from Popular Mechanics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Mechanics) that featured a detailed cross section of underground hangars. Kane used this clipping as a guide, adding the crime lab, stalactites, stalagmites and bats. Thus, the Dark Knight's creators introduced the definitive Batcave in the Batman "dailies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_strip)" on October 29, 1943;[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batcave#cite_note-0) and in January 1944, the Batcave made its comic book debut in Detective Comics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detective_Comics) #83[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batcave#cite_note-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batcave#cite_note-2)
In these early versions it was just a small cave with a desk, filing cabinets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filing_cabinet) and laboratory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laboratory). Behind the desk, the Batman's symbol was carved into the rock with a candle in the middle of it. With time the cave expanded along with its owner's popularity to include a trophy room, supercomputer and forensics lab.


TO THE BAT BARN!

[Kybo Ren]

Bats worked out of a downtown pad when Boywonder went to college, Reminded me of that.
The lack of a batcave seems to be a good omen for 3. that and the almost $400 million


CASTING CALL FOR RIDDLER : Jude Law would totally nail it.

[Nick]

http://www.facade.com/celebrity/photo/Kelsey_Grammer.jpg

[pac-man]

i mean i'm looking
down on wayne's basement. only
that's not wayne's basement

Garth, that was a haiku.

[Jeanette X]

He was in a "basement" because Wayne Manor burnt down in the first movie, so why would he drive all the way there just to lurk in a cave? It was even mentioned in the movie by Alfred. JEANETTE, you are still a dope.

Well I didn't see the first movie! >:

[Bex]

I think it's actually reasonable to expect that Ledger could be in the next film - if he was intended to appear in it as a cameo, then that would have been shot before his death, during the filming of TDK (to save it on one contract, and to help continuity). I think they did a similar thing with Scarecrow's cameo (you know, filming it during the previous film, in this case, Begins).

If Ledger has a cameo, it would be nice to see him briefly in Arkham Asylum, which would bring a bit of closure, as well as being a good introduction for The Riddler.

Well... I doubt it'll happen. The 'We're destined to do this forever' sort of hinted that they were planning for Ledger to be The Joker again. Bollocks. I want Ledger back *cries*

[Fathom Zero]

I saw it again yesterday and the semi-flip is on my top ten Most Badass Action Moments in movies.

[ScruU2wice]

are the other 9 from the Live free or Die Hard? because I think that will do wonders for your lists legitimacy.

[Fathom Zero]

The car flying up through the toll booth and into the helicopter almost made the list.

[Ant10708]

I think it's actually reasonable to expect that Ledger could be in the next film - if he was intended to appear in it as a cameo, then that would have been shot before his death, during the filming of TDK (to save it on one contract, and to help continuity). I think they did a similar thing with Scarecrow's cameo (you know, filming it during the previous film, in this case, Begins).

If Ledger has a cameo, it would be nice to see him briefly in Arkham Asylum, which would bring a bit of closure, as well as being a good introduction for The Riddler.

Well... I doubt it'll happen. The 'We're destined to do this forever' sort of hinted that they were planning for Ledger to be The Joker again. Bollocks. I want Ledger back *cries* Joker was planned for the third nut not filmed any scenes but the ditrector claims they used all footage of ledger in this movie and they didnt leave anything left for the third.

[Guitar Woman]

So I got back from this!

The first half of the movie was pretty good because the joker was busy stealing the show, but when they brought twoface in I really think it descended into Shittytown. Mabye not downtown Shittytown, just a suburb.

The joker's lines were all great, except for "What doesn't kill us makes us stranger" because Trevor Goodchild already said that like 10 years ago.

I definitely think the movie should have focused on the joker way, way more, since one, Ledger's performance was masterful, and two, everyone else is bluh. Every time the BAT VOICE was used I lol'd a little :<

I'd give it a B.

[Ant10708]

Does anyone know the name of the crazy that Two Face almost kills before Batman stops him? One of my friends is telling me its the mad hatter but i don't recall if his name was jervis or not

[pac-man]

Does anyone know the name of the crazy that Two Face almost kills before Batman stops him? One of my friends is telling me its the mad hatter but i don't recall if his name was jervis or not

His name's Schiff. Paranoid schizophrenic. The type of sick mind the Joker attracts.

[Ant10708]

thanks. would of been a cool cameo if he was the mad hatter :\

[Bod]

I didn't think it was all that great. :iconoclast



It bothered me that the city looked too...normal. Gotham shouldn't look like just Anycity, USA, it should look like a dark, forbodeing metropolis. Tim Burton said that he wanted Gotham to look like "As if Hell came sprouting out of the concrete and kept right on growing.", He made sure to make it look scary and perpetually gloomy. That's what set the mood in Burton's movies, and made them enjoyable for me. But in this movie, so much of the action took place in broad daylight, it wasn't even remotely gloomy. It just didn't have the right atmosphere, at least not in my opinion.

Furthermore, since when does Batman operate out of a simple basement? What the hell happened to the Batcave? A little lame, if you ask me.

Totally agree with you there.



Heath Ledger plays an excellent psycho in weird clown make-up, but he's not playing The Joker.

It's far too long and just not comic book enough. If Batman and Joker wore ordinary clothes it would just be yet another gangster violent film, no style, no imagination. The gadgets weren't gadgety enough, the stunts weren't as over the top as I would expect, the sets were dull dull dull. It wasn't any fun. It just wasn't Batman

BUT very funny how Bruce Wayne puts on a gruff voice when he becomes Batman. But very little humour apart from that.

[Jeanette X]

It's far too long and just not comic book enough. If Batman and Joker wore ordinary clothes it would just be yet another gangster violent film, no style, no imagination. The gadgets weren't gadgety enough, the stunts weren't as over the top as I would expect, the sets were dull dull dull. It wasn't any fun. It just wasn't Batman


Thank you, I'm glad to see I'm not alone in this. Comic books are just meant to be somewhat otherworldy. If the setting isn't suitable, then they're just a bunch of weirdos wearing ridiculous costumes.

[Fathom Zero]

That's why I like Batman Forever a lot. It's scenery is very very good.

[Jeanette X]

That's why I like Batman Forever a lot. It's scenery is very very good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE3X79WbtEE

This video is actually better than the movie itself. That's what the sets and cinamatography for a superhero movie should look like, only without the bad acting, stupid plot, ridiculous costumes and make-up.

I mean, rubber nipples and codpieces? Really, Joel Schumacher?