watchmen movie

[darkvare]

finally a date and a trailer
www.watchmenmovie.com

[pac-man]

Saw the trailer before The Dark Knight, and all I can say is fuckin' A. I know it won't live up to the novel, but I don't necessarily want it to. I just want to see the cool parts in motion, and it looks like it will deliver on that. If should happen to capture the mood and message of the novel, that'll be icing on the cake.

[Nick]

I just read the script from 1989. It sucked.

[Guitar Woman]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Looked pretty, didn't really grab me.

Zack Snyder must also really, really enjoy Baywatch.

I was also eager for a demonstration of how Rorsharch's mask is going to work on film, and I wish they'd shown him for more than one second in the trailer.

[Nick]

I mean in the 1989 script, they changed the ending completely! No giant fake aliens! Time Travel!

[Fathom Zero]

Looks mildly intersting since I've never read the book.

[Nick]

Looks mildly intersting since I've never read the book.
Get out.

[Fathom Zero]

Fuck you.

[Guitar Woman]

now you've done it

I only ever sort of liked Watchmen, myself. Yeah, the story's great and the amount of symbolism and allegory is fucking ridiculous, that's why I like it. My criticism is that most of the characters irritated me, despite (and partly because of) how realistic their psyches were. Rorsharch is by far the most awesome person in the comic, but even people who liked the other characters would agree with me on that.

That said, Watchmen is still the only comic I've ever actually purchased, and the special edition I got was loaded with all kinds of interesting extras!

[executioneer]

that trailer looks pretty badass :( unfortunately, there's no way to be sure whether or not the trailer's awesomeness has anything to do with how good/bad the movie will be

[MLE]

Fathom, come on now. If you have the slightest interest in comics, Watchmen is a must-read and probably must-own. I barely read comics, and I own Watchmen and read it about every three or four months. That wasn't uncalled for, but wasn't the nicest way to tell you that it was a fairly unacceptable thing to see in this thread.

[MetalMilitia]

that trailer looks pretty badass :( unfortunately, there's no way to be sure whether or not the trailer's awesomeness has anything to do with how good/bad the movie will be

Yeah like with 300 I liked the trailer way more than the actual film. :/

[bigtimecow]

Get out.

i've always heard about watchmen, and how it's one of the best graphic novels ever, if not the best. but at the same time, i feel like i shouldn't read it before the movie comes out so that way i can judge the movie as a film in itself, and not get pissed off at how much it deters from the comic

[Fathom Zero]

Fathom, come on now. If you have the slightest interest in comics, Watchmen is a must-read and probably must-own.

I don't really. I don't like to look at things because of people telling me how good it is. It really really irritates me.

I said the movie looked cool. Are we assuming that the movie was made solely for the enjoyment of comic book readers? As big an audience as that is, they'd be leaving out quite a bit of the market.

[MLE]

With such a large no-longer-cult following, you can expect to hear a bit of flack if you come in and say something that includes "since i've never read the book". It usually makes the top most influential books list, so if you're a reader at all, it's honestly a widely-accepted great book. I would go into a borders sometime and take a look at maybe the first couple of pages and see if it interests you.

[Nick]

i've always heard about watchmen, and how it's one of the best graphic novels ever, if not the best. but at the same time, i feel like i shouldn't read it before the movie comes out so that way i can judge the movie as a film in itself, and not get pissed off at how much it deters from the comic
You should really read the comic first, no matter how good the movie is, there is no way it could ever truly live up to the comic book. You just have to take it with a grain of salt.

[Fathom Zero]

Granted, I'll read it sooner or later.

[Kybo Ren]

I really thought they would sit on Dr M until last ad push.
still looks better than I thought it would eventually be.

[Rez]

preview for watchmen reminded me watchmen existed.
when i still read comics i took a glance at it. i didnt like the art, i wasnt interested and i didnt catch anything to keep me hooked. its not like i smarted up tremendously since then, but maybe it was just a bad day. who knows. i took it to be one of those books everyone shot their load over for what it did to comics and less about the actual story itself. it was just "one of those things" i was too disconnected from to appreciate.

anyway, having bought dark knight tickets in advance, i had time to kill, i went in borders, picked it up, read the first three chapters and kicked myself for not giving this another shot sooner. book's amazing. i'm not full on blown away, and guitar womans assessment seems pretty spot on, but i really enjoyed it.
not caught up in how the movie will work, but so far im leaning toward it being almost impossible to make a satisfactory adaptation, although it seems to have more film-friendly moments than moore lets on.

[LordSappington]

Every time I go to Half Price Books, they don't have ANYTHING for Watchmen. It makes me feel left out.

[ScruU2wice]

I might get shit for this but the ending to the book was oh so weak.

[pac-man]

I might get shit for this but the ending to the book was oh so weak.

How so?

[Nick]

How so?
He's still mad about Rorschach.

[ScruU2wice]

spoilers


ok. so I got that the entire time there were clues to this giant fake squid monster being dropped to bring world peace by making everyone in the world have a common enemy.

personally:

a) if you find that concept of people uniting for a common cause thing interesting, there was no elaboration with the moral concept of sacrificing the lives of a city for the sake of this common goal. basically it was down to rorschach, Dr. M and some other kats heading to the pole to confront Ozymandias. ozymandias does his super villan thing, which everyone is totally down with except rorschach, who storms out in a hissy fit. Dr. Manhattan kills him and turns into god for some universe. They spend almost no time confronting the issue of guaranteeing the death of millions of people in order to prevent the possible death of millions of people. weak trade off in my book.

b) I didn't find the united under alien attack concept interesting.
it seriously boils down the psyche of entire nations to waaaaaaaaaaay too simple on off switch. like russia will have its memory completely erased about who they trust or distrust. On top of that the whole thing was to have the two super powers reduce their nuclear arms, If I'm pissing my pants over an alien attack I'm gonna build my arsenal, not tear it down. I just thought that it was an incredibly short sighted solution from someone who is suppose to be the most intelligent guy in the world

[ScruU2wice]

He's still mad about Rorschach.

spoilers


I don't give a shit if people die at the end of story. rorschach dying at the end presented no dillema to me. it was that no one besides him really put up any moral resignation to the soliloquize that went down.

ozymandia: "so I killed half of new york. but it was necessary, we might be at war soon and people could die then, (kinda like they just did), I just bought us a couple years and city where half the people are dead and the other half are insane. you guys can thank me later"

rorschach: "yo, I'm not cool with that, I'm splittin"

everyone else: "I don't know rorschach, we do have our asses kicked and this schmuck sounds pretty smart, I'm sure a fear induced world peace is better than a fear induced not-quite-war-yet."

the love scene was kind of frumpy too, but that's just a side note

[Nick]

spoilers
ok. so I got that the entire time there were clues to this giant fake squid monster being dropped to bring world peace by making everyone in the world have a common enemy.

personally:

a)

b)

A) About the last two books dealt with the heros considering the whole ordeal.

B) How the fuck would nuclear arms hurt a being from a different dimension, not to mention that using them against said aliens on our planet would kill our planet.

[ScruU2wice]

Yeah dealing with it is different than rolling over on the spot. I didn't care if they dedicated le's miserable to talking about their feelings after the fact, only rorschach really said anything to mr. IQ and even that was around the lines of "I'm taking my ball and going home". they just went on their ways, and ozymandias asks manhattan once if he did good, which sounded more like seeking validation to me.

clearly you have extensive knowledge on how to deal with aliens from other dimensions. nuclear weapons vaporize things on an atomic level, there is no evidence to show that a nuclear bomb wouldn't hurt the giant squidbillie figurine. when people don't know how to fight something, nuking it is the next immediate option. A nuclear holocaust would destroy our planet but that didn't really stop the cold war. The point stands that neutralizing one threat with another larger threat doesn't alleviate the fear in society, and the fear was what caused a nuclear arms race in the first place.

I'm not really gonna debate this comic book further than this, saying anything else would be me just repeating myself. I thought that it was short sighted ending to a book with dense and layered human interaction. you can love the ending of this book till the end of time, and it won't bother me, but I read it once and I really became wholly disinterested after ozymandia's evil lair monologue.

[pac-man]

Fair enough if that's your breakdown and interpretation of things, I can see where you're coming from but I disagree.

[the Platinum Poppy]

If they wanted to capture the comic on film they should avoid using special effects for fighting scenes and the like, EXCEPT of course for Dr Manhattan who's superpowered for real. But any time anybody else performs a stunt, fighting or climbing around on rooftops or whatever, it should be a real (obviously very fit and all that, but still) person doing it for real.
It's so important in the comic that this is a world where real people dress up and act like superheroes, people who seriously don't have any superpowers. Unlike, say, Batman, who in a sense lacks superpowers, but who usually comes across as being SO fit and having SUCH a strong psyche that it's almost like these are his powers, and enough to make him a match for real supercreatures.

Unfortunately I think they'll do it more like a regular action movie with all of the heroes performing pretty impossible deeds all the time.

[Ozzman313]

I kinda hoped for the trailer to be more impressive but the CGI was horrible

[Fathom Zero]

I don't care. It still looks good as a movie and I won't let opinions about how it's not like the book to cloud my vision. I think it looks great.

[darkvare]

i've been re watching the trailer and reading the comic the last five days lol

[Nick]

i've been re watching the trailer and reading the comic the last five days lol
Why is it taking you five days to read it?

[Rez]

spoiler spoiler spoiler



tending to agree with ScruU2wice's take on it, though i wasnt as let down. it was problematic, but i liked the idea enough of our heroes ultimately fighting against the unification of the world, and that the entire mess started out of professional jealousy, that the sudden dumbing down of national psychology was forgivable, if not especially intelligent. though ozy should have been offed on general principles if the mere idea of a crazy man blabbing about what really happened is enough for jon to kill him.

sex scenes were totally "eccentric dude approxomating how this scene would go" style, and were pretty awk as a result. so was the "epilogue."
but these are quibblins

[Nick]

I'm pretty sure it was Rorschach who told Jon to kill him.

[Rez]

pretty sure it was jon saying "i cant let you do that" first.
rorschach can believe that he's going to convince people, so he might also believe that he would need to be killed to be stopped... but all-knowing, all-distant jon believing him to be a loose cannon that needs stopping? hm.

[Nick]

Yeah, but Jon is an asshole.

[Rez]

he's not an asshole, he's just self-absorbed, knows too much for his own good, doesnt believe in clothes and--

yeah, what a douche, actually.

[Nick]

He was my least favorite character in the whole novel. I felt absolutely no sympathy for him at all.

[Rez]

actually he was my second favorite.

I AM DISAPPOINTED VEIDT

VERY DISAPPOINTED

as far as least favorite - wth did laurie do except resent her mom, get naked a few times, and get kicked in the solar plexus? get flustered enough at jon until he decided to come back? super. and veidt. by far the biggest asshole.
and come to think of it, dreiberg was just a pudgly, lonely dork with a basement full of toys.

they all kinda suck. which is why it's kinda fun.

[Zomboid]

Dreiberg was the most likable, I thought. He was probably closest to an "average guy" but he was still pretty interesting and not totally useless. Rorschach and Comedian were the most interesting, but I guess that goes without saying :(

Rorschach gets extra points for effectively using a lit cigarette as a weapon.

[Nick]

Rorschach killed two men with a toilet.

On another note, think how weird the story would have been if DC had let Moore use the Charlton Comics characters for the story, as he originally intended.

[Guitar Woman]

So My Chemical Romance is covering a Bob Dylan song for the soundtrack :lol

[pac-man]

So My Chemical Romance is covering a Bob Dylan song for the soundtrack :lol

I'll pretend I didn't read that.

[Nick]

I always pretend I never read anything GW posts.

[Guitar Woman]

Man I hate that Guitar Woman too, hey I'm just like you guys now huh? haha

[Guitar Woman]

Perfectly aware of the retroactive hypocricy, by the way, thanks.

[Rez]

So My Chemical Romance is covering a Bob Dylan song for the soundtrack :lol

:|

dear oh dear, strikes one and two

[Guitar Woman]

The more I see of this movie the more I am convinced it'll be a gigantic pile of poopy.

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[ScruU2wice]

I think the amount of camel toe in some of those pictures warrants a NSFW

[Tadao]

"Snyder told MTV this week. Rather than compose an original track, they're planning to cover a Bob Dylan classic. "A cover of 'Desolation Row,' or something like that.""

It better not be something like Desolation Row. It better be a song that has already been abused by countless others.

[Nick]

Movie makers need to just use the original songs instead of getting this shitty pop punk bands to make a new version so they can seem "edgy".

[Tadao]

I don't mind MCR nor do I mind covers. What I do mind is sucky covers and I know this will be one.

[Nick]

Shitty covers from shitty bands.

[executioneer]

i dont remember ozymandias ever wearing a mask of any kind, wtf

edit: oh ok i guess pre-keene act he did but that doesn't justify all these pictures

[HickMan]

I saw the preview at the Dark Knight and admittedly, I've never even heard of Watchmen. But it sparked my interest and I looked it up on wikipedia to see if it'd be worth buying. Here I am now, bought the book, and just completed it. I thought it was great overall. Best graphic novel I've ever read, but I haven't read to many :x. I just have my doubts about the movie now. A lot of the events, especially with Dr. Manhattan will be really tough to produce on film.

[ScruU2wice]

do they need to storyboard a movie from a comic book? I mean it would work out if the actors literally did exactly what was pictured in each frame of the book

am I right?

[HickMan]

But they NEVER do that :rolleyes

[Dr. Boogie]

I finally read Watchmen the other day, and I have to agree with what Scru was saying about the ending.

I did think it was kind of funny the way Ozmandias easily defeated and emmasculated all the heroes who came to stop him. Even so, though, I can't believe Rorshach was the only one who thought his "ends justify the means" thinking was BS. Wouldn't they at least think that by turning Ozmandias in, they could at least unite the world against him? He's a rich evil genius, it'd be like a James Bond movie.

[Nick]

Nite Owl and Silk Spectre were giant wimps.

[Phoenix Gamma]

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/va/20080818/121911997700.html

Well shit, guys.

[darkvare]

goddamn it

[Phoenix Gamma]

I don't know what's worse, the fact that we might not get to see the movie, or the fact that it was already filmed.

These are the kinds of things you settle out of court, people.