Tipping

[MattJack]

I read this (http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/Time-In-Prison--70426052.html?yhp=1) article recently and I got a pretty good kick outta it. The restaurant took an infinite amount of bad PR over $13 somethin duckettes. Calling the police over $13 is one of the biggest bit*h moves to of happened so far in the new millennium.

This brings me to here. Whatch'yall think about tipping?

I tip 20% or so if the waitress is good/finer than hell at resturaunts. If the service is awful I'll tip 10% or so most of the time. I generally open tabs at bars because I have a hard time giving somebody a dollar everytime they crack open a beer for me, so to avoid this connundrum I just tip at the end of the night on my ticket. When I got cash I'll generally tip every other beer, but I tend to always tip for a mixed drink. The only place I really felt that I had to tip well on every drink was when I lived in Vegas and the barman would do a juggling act to pour me a bourbon on the rocks.

The only time I have never tipped at a bar was actually quite recently here in Austin. I went to a place downtown and the bartender was god awful. I stood at the bar for 15 minutes until she finally served me. She litterally cleared out her bar three times before I had to actually pull the, "Excuse me, miss."

I told her that I had been waiting patiently for the past quarter of an hour for a drink, and now all I want is my last beer as well as ticket. She got pissy with me and said, "If you're polite I will." I told her that I was being as polite as possible and then she stormed off to retrieve my sh*t. See, she was finer than hell(which is generally enough for me to tip you well as we discussed earlier), but a smug, self centered bitch too, which I felt cancelled out the finer than hell part. My tab was only about $25, so it wasn't like a crime against humanity or anything, but I felt like she didn't deserve a damn dime for such poor service.

Right or wrong?

My buddy from New Zealand didn't tip when he first got in the states. He thought it was the silliest thing and he's actually got himself into some awkward situations because of it. So if you aren't from the Greatest Country on Earth('Merica), how do you tip or what does your culture think of tipping?

We'll all grow closer with this thread.

[Tadao]

I tip the ugly bitches higher. No one else does and they usually work harder for it.

[MattJack]

I tip the ugly bitches higher. No one else does and they usually work harder for it.

Yeah the ugly ones are always better servers. I think that's one of Newton's Laws. Something about relying on their job aptitude instead of looks kind of makes you want to give them a better tip. I hear ya.

[Terra]

Jesus Matt. You didn't even give her the tip end of your doo dah?

She must have been THAT bad.

I'll always tip even when it is bad, but not that great. But if the service is THAT bad, I'll never go back again.

[MattJack]

Jesus Matt. You didn't even give her the tip end of your doo dah?

She must have been THAT bad.

I'll always tip even when it is bad, but not that great. But if the service is THAT bad, I'll never go back again.

She would never let a guy like me do that :(

I have gone back since, but my friends and I refuse to go to her bar(multiple bars in the establishment).

[Tadao]

I usually just double the tax as a tip for normal service. Tax here is like 7%, so a tip would be 14%. Or a five spot or 10, whatever is easiest.

[kahljorn]

tax went up to like 9% in california dude :(

also fuck mandatory tipping. Its for the birds. :)

personally i think its hilarious to fuck people out of their tips if they are a worthless cunt. In fact after how guilty I feel for tipping worthless cuntfaces with my hard earned money, I pretty much decided not to tip cunt faces or I would beat myself up afterwards.

[Tadao]

That's good news for servers then.

[kahljorn]

oh yea and that story you read.. did you notice they actually tried to charge them extra? 18% of 73 dollars or whatever is like 14 dollars or something, not 16.

[MattJack]

Yeah, the term mandatory gratuity makes my brain hurt a bit.

I've actually had a guy put a mandatory tip on my ticket and he acted as if he just rang me up for the meal. My ex girlfriend whom I was eating with had recently had lunch there with her co-workers, and she said he did the exact same thing with them. When I confronted him on it he acted as if it was a crazy accident and fixed it immediately. He had obviously been doing it to people for some time and was capitalizing on ignorant people not doing simple math.

I tipped him a generous dollar for such a weak hustle.

[MattJack]

That extra two dollars goes to starving children in Africa. It was for the children. The children, Kahl.

[kahljorn]

fuck :O

i pretty much cut off eating/drinking out except at a few places I actually like, because it seems like every time i go out I feel cheated or I get sick :O

ALSO THE MONEY I SAVE GOES STRAIGHT TO MY DRUG HABIT.

[Nick]

My family really isn't so big on tipping, but usually when we eat a restaurant we give them a a couple of dollars no matter the bill. Being Alabama and all, we're more about eating home cookin'. Restaurants are only for super special occasions.

[Sam]

I try not to tip as often as possible, and my friends end up doing it for me. :(

:CHEAPBASTARD

[Zhukov]

I pay in notes; they can keep the extra fifteen cents if it's there. Apart from that I never tip anything.

[elx]

i'm pretty sure we all already had this conversation and came to the conclusion that tipping needs to buzz off and stop infesting foreign countries.

[Zhukov]

Oh, I was getting deja vu but I figured that was just because I always complain about paying for things.

[Sacks]

I don't understand why the police were called if they offered to comp their meal. Call the police on people who insist on paying?

[Geggy]

The philadelphia couple did it wrong. They should have left a penny as a tip for bad service. Because a penny is more insulting than nothing at all.

[Fathom Zero]

I usually tip 33.3%. I eat out about five times a year. :\

[RaNkeri]

I don't tip

[Evil Robot]

The only reason tipping even exists is because business owners are greedy bastards and don't like compensating people for their work. With that said I have been in many "fancy" restaruant where the some philipino has to stand behind my chair and constantly reach over my shoulder and fuck with things. I find over-service more annoying than poor service.

[Babs]

Fuck tipping anyone unless they're attitude insinuates putting that money where their mouth is. They actually have the audacity to complain about the customer not tipping "right". Maybe the could avoid the whole situation and not be a shitty ass waiter relying on someone elses god damn pocket money.

[Tadao]

I take it most of you have never waited on tables. You guys can serve yourself at home or McDonalds.

[Chojin]

I waited tables for all of 2 weeks and gained tons of respect for waiters in the process ;<

You technically have to report your tips, but most people just report about 10% of their net bills instead. However, those are still taxed and deducted from your $2-3/hr paycheck.

The person training me once received a paycheck for negative 14 cents.

[Sacks]

I love the "If you don't tip you must not know how hard it is to wait tables". No one is forced to wait tables and it's not the customer's fault that everyone is fucked into relying on tips.

[Tadao]

No one is forcing you to got to a restaurant to eat either.

[Tadao]

HEY GUYS! I DON'T WANNA HERE ANYONE COMPLAIN ABOUT ANYTHING EVER AGAIN. NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO LIVE.

[Evil Robot]

You know who I really hate are when people stand outside of supermarkets and offer to carry peoples bags to their cars. They accost me and harass me for saying no. I don't want those little monster people anywhere near my food.

[Tadao]

I've never had that happen to me, I do like to glare at the cookie girls out front though.

[kahljorn]

i was a waiter one time but it wasn't at a real restaurant it was like a fast food/restaurant diner place, but it would get pretty busy at lunch and i was the only waiter usually. It had normal food with plates and such so it was pretty much like a regular restaurant and i had to serve everything on a tray but it had self-serve sodas. If I wanted to pimp the tips though id usually refill people's sodas for them :O
didn't always get tipped but i got paid minimum wage...

[MattJack]

I was a waiter for a few months a few years ago, so I think I understand how the job works.

I agree with Evil Robot in that tipping only exists because restaurant owners are greedy bastards. Still, I tip just because I feel like I'm obligated. I understand that I could be all principled and fight the system and s*it, but at the end of the day I'm only hurting some kid/guy trying to make it through life. With all this said, if you're a fucki*g moron who does the exact opposite of what a waiter should do then you probably don't deserve a tip and you probably need to think of a career change.

[Fathom Zero]

I've never had that happen to me, I do like to glare at the cookie girls out front though.

Lustfully, though, right?

[Tadao]

Yeah, and I write my # on the money. ;)

[Zomboid]

I hate tipping and usually only give really good tips when the server does a better than average job. Otherwise, it's just a few bucks. I'm a student relying on student loans and bursaries, so it's not like I have the extra money anyway.

[J. Tithonus Pednaud]

I tip when it's earned. I'm not hard to please, and I understand the service industry pays shit, but nobody is entitled to free money. I work hard for my money and I expect that same respect out of my server. I'm enough of an asshole to leave a penny if the service is really poor. I'll tip 'alright' service 10% to 15% because it's easy to figure out. If someone has done their job well and gone a little extra either with service or attitude, I'll tip about 20%. I do tip on take-out (something too few people do) if the service is good and the staff is polite.

[Zhukov]

People shouldn't expect money in return for being polite and helpful people >:

[Sacks]

No one is forcing you to got to a restaurant to eat either.

I appreciate your tactics but I still don't understand why people choose to attack the customer instead of the source of the problem. I guess because it's easier to try and guilt other people into paying you to do your job instead of the company that hired you.

[Fathom Zero]

They should get a union together. :lol

I'm sorry, I crack myself up sometimes.

[Dimnos]

They should just get paid like regular people. The gratuity system is total BS. At most I leave $3 if they performed a little better than expected. I have never seen anyone go "above and beyond". Normally I only give them $2 and a lot of the time they totally suck and they dont get shit. Last place I went was a Mexican restaurant and the chick kept saying she was going to bring us more chips for our quaso but never did. She must have stopped by our table 6 fucking times to see if we needed anything but never brought us more tea or chips. Most useless bitch ever.

[robo_rob]

I have no problem tipping, however it's only about 10%-15%. If I'm at some super fancy restaurant maybe more, but seriously. If my bill is around $10, I shouldnt be expected to tip more than a few dollars.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

If there service is shit I'll make them play FIND THE TIP. Where I leave a less than decent tip hidden on the table somewhere. If the server is shitty and the busser happens to find a $5 stuck between two plates I guess the busser just wanted it more.

[ItalianStereotype]

There is absolutely no reason not to tip. If you're really such a douchebag, don't expect anything good to come of your time in a restaurant. Most of the time, we can tell if you're going to leave us a shitty tip within the first few minutes of your time there and I personally like to earn every red cent of that $1 you were planning on leaving me. I'll make sure your glass stays empty, you don't get more bread, your food goes out cold, whatever it takes to piss you off and get you out of my section so that someone who isn't so worthless can have a seat.

If you're a minority, it probably won't matter either way.

[Fathom Zero]

Also, I don't fault the wait-staff for the quality of the food. I know a couple people that do and that's a little screwed up.

[MLE]

I missed you, dago.

[Zomboid]

There is absolutely no reason not to tip. If you're really such a douchebag, don't expect anything good to come of your time in a restaurant. Most of the time, we can tell if you're going to leave us a shitty tip within the first few minutes of your time there and I personally like to earn every red cent of that $1 you were planning on leaving me. I'll make sure your glass stays empty, you don't get more bread, your food goes out cold, whatever it takes to piss you off and get you out of my section so that someone who isn't so worthless can have a seat.

If you're a minority, it probably won't matter either way.
Seriously, you've probably fucked yourself over with that tactic more times than you've been right.

There were probably a bunch of times where people had a bad day, maybe didn't look too cheerful coming in, and you suspected that they were cheap. Then they see an angry looking Italian bringing them cold food, not refilling their drinks, and just being generally shitty at his job.

If anything, take the other approach. I hate tipping and usually only leave a few bucks (which is usually pretty close to the 20% mark if I'm not ordering booze), but if a server does a really good job, is friendly, and is clearly working hard, then I have no problem leaving a bit more.

[Tadao]

I was a good waiter to even well known shitty tipper customers. I was working for a family that I cared about and I'm not gonna let some cheap ass douche bag talk shit about the restaurant.

[Shrubfest]

The only time I tip is whent theres a group of us. Each pays his own, and just round it all up, so there's a tip at the end. But then, everyone gets a decent wage over here. Tips are just bonus.

[ItalianStereotype]

No, I've worked in a restaurant too long to make a mistake like that. I can tell by a few questions or jokes or whatever whether or not you're going to be a douche. I can't afford to give good service to douches when we're coming into the money season, so I'm going to turn and burn your table.

[Tadao]

I love the people who have 2 kids and food is flung all over the booth and the table is a wreck. They never leave a tip for some reason.

[Evil Robot]

dining out is a stupid waste of money anyway. In EVIL ROBOTS america you all cook your own god danm food

[Sam]

AFTER YOU HUNT IT WITH AUTOMATIC WEAPONS

OR STEAL IT FROM FOREIGNERS

[darkvare]

"tipping is not a city in china" sorry i had to do it :P

[Colonel Flagg]

I love the people who have 2 kids and food is flung all over the booth and the table is a wreck. They never leave a tip for some reason.

My family includes 4 children from 1 to 14 and my wife and I ALWAYS try to clean up the table and floor prior to leaving the restaurant. AND I always try to leave a decent tip. People that don't and don't are worse than douchebags. >:

But then again, we live in the gay state of PA. :\

[Tadao]

See that's the thing, you have respect for your surroundings so you also have respect for the work that goes into taking your order, keeping your table stocked, getting your food there when it's cooked, providing a nice service while at the same time giving you privacy.

People who don't care about the mess they leave don't care about a tip for sure.

[Colonel Flagg]

Slightly sideways on topic, the fam + 1 were out to dinner tonight, in Massland. Service was good, kids were fairly well-behaved food stayed mainly where it should, etc. Comes the bill, about $85 so I figure a little over $100 would be a good amount to leave. I asked at the front about the "parties of 6 or more have gratuity added" and she looked at me as if I had just grown a second evil head. Apparently this is used only where they're afraid of getting stiffed, and the small town pub at which we ate was not accustomed to acts of such vulgarity. How refreshing.

[Tadao]

It is a law in Cali, or was a law.

[Babs]

Why tip a whore that doesn't make your food?

[ItalianStereotype]

Because a waiter makes sure you have a good time, just like a whore.

[Tadao]

Like babs is even allowed in restaurants :rolleyes

[Babs]

That's not fair, you can't make statements like that. This is the internet, have some morals. >:

[Dimnos]

When my kid was younger, if we couldnt control him that day we didnt go out to eat. Now days he is well behaved when we do. He is still a little messy when eating bread or something but nothing to unruly. He knows that if he isnt behaved or makes to much of a mess he will come to regret it later. :posh

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/ElPoeta973/sad-toddler-boy-600.jpg

[Sacks]

How is he messy eating bread? You hold it, you take a bite, you put it down. What is your kid doing to that bread?

[Dimnos]

Breadcrumbs man. How he does it, I have no idea. I just look over one minute and they are all over the table around his plate. Bread is the only thing he seams to have trouble with though so I cant complain to much.

[Zhukov]

Have you tried hitting him?

[Dimnos]

Boy have I ever.

[MarioRPG]

The thing I hate about tipping, is sometime the servers really suck. I still go for about 10% for that though but still.
How will they learn?

[Tadao]

I'm all for not tipping a shitty server. It's the whole "I'm against tipping on a general principle" thing that makes me wonder why cheap people are eating in restaurants.

[Dimnos]

Im against tipping on a general principle but I still tip as long as they didnt totally suck. :\

[kahljorn]

I TAKE GREAT PLEASURE IN TIPPING SHITTY SERVERS VERY LITTLE >:

ITS LIKE MY CHANCE TO SERVE JUSTICE

[Dixie]

i was really hoping this thread was about cows :(

[executioneer]

i don't tip cows, i never have a spare carrot or flake of hay to give them anyhow

[Zhukov]

I'm all for not tipping a shitty server. It's the whole "I'm against tipping on a general principle" thing that makes me wonder why cheap people are eating in restaurants.

I eat in quite a lot of nice restaurants, I enjoy my food and I usually spend pretty big. If I am with a date I have no qualms in paying for it all. I don't think of myself as cheap, and to be honest I don't worry about money much. BUT I am against tipping because it's a good excuse to pay wait staff less. We don't tip in my country, and I have never been made to feel bad for not tipping, although since I have already said I don't care much for money I don't quibble about leaving the exact amount, and I will usually pay over the bill.

I tipped when I was in Europe. I don't tip here because it's not the done thing.

[Tadao]

That's fine and dandy, but I'm talking to countries that already have tipping certain jobs standardized. Next you'll want us to adopt free health care.

[Zhukov]

No worries.

Although it is a backward and barbaric culture. A real sign of poverty.

[MarioRPG]

Im against tipping on a general principle but I still tip as long as they didnt totally suck. :\

Yeah, that's what I mean. But if they fuck up my food and drink, game over.

[Dimnos]

Oh yeah! If they fuck up they can kiss their beer money good bye.

[ItalianStereotype]

And if it was actually the kitchen's fault?

[kahljorn]

:rolleyes

[executioneer]

well they could theoretically be doublechecking that the kitchen got it right but yeah not a reason to not tip, especially if you ask them to fix it and they do

[Dimnos]

When I talk about them fucking up I mean they never come by my table to check on my drinks and such. Or we have been sitting there with our menus down for a long time before they even think about coming over to take our order. If the place is just super packed and they are busy as hell that one can be overlooked. Stuff that is definitely the servers lack of giving a shit. I guess mostly just my drinks.

[kahljorn]

If its super busy it shouldn't be a big deal if you don't tip them as much since they will be getting so many tips :O

it all works out MATHEMATAGICALLY

[bigtimecow]

tipping is a gray area for me. typically i prefer a server to stay the fuck out of my experience and just take my order, refill my drink, ask if i want dessert, and bring me my check. i hate conversations with servers. it's clearly fake and just like any conversation with someone who works in an establishment that involves customer interaction. it's just hollow

however, there is an exception. there's a china buffet near where i live, and i eat there with friends all the time. now remember, it's a buffet. there is nothing food related to order. there is no bar. the only thing your server does is take a drink order (which is water, tea, soda, beer, or wine, nothing fancy), take away dirt plates, refill said drinks, and bring your check. we are expected to tip, but for what? and because they are all chinese they don't say anything. they come to the table and go "you want drink?" and when they come to refill they say "you want more drink?" it just makes me think, if i was the owner of china buffet i would not hire any waitresses, save an assload of money, and just have people get their own drinks (maybe get rid of wine and beer, but that's not losing much) and there, done

mandatory tipping is stupid, but it's become such a norm now that when i consider going to a restaraunt and how much money i will be spending / am willing tp spend, i factor in tipping. if you don't want to tip, just don't fucking go

[executioneer]

guys what about pizza deliverers, is this the same set of etiquette or can we fuck them over a little more

[Chojin]

i always give the pizza guy at least 4 bucks or 20%, whichever is higher

i figure he went the extra mile to get you your food, quite literally

[Zhukov]

Who don't you tip Chojin?

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

I used to tip even if they didn't do a great job until I was dating this waitress. She always told me not to tip if they did a bad job, the food wasn't the best or similiar reasons. That way the server knows that something is wrong. Be it the food in general, the service or how frequently they made their rounds.

[Tadao]

not tipping a pizza guy is dangerous to your property :(

[Chojin]

http://www.bobblehedzbar.com/Specials/cow_tipped.gif

[Darryl]

My standard buffet tip is $2 - $4, depending on the upscaleness of the place, the attitude/competence of the server, etc.