Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts

[Jeff The Ninja]

Why did they have to ruin the game with Vehicles? I thought that the Running and Jumping was all that was needed in platform games.

[Supafly345]

Never played crash bandicoot 2 huh.

[Jeff The Ninja]

Nah, I was a nintendo kid. Hell, i didnt play Final Fantasy VII until about 2001.

[darkvare]

i need to play it but i heard good things

[HappyHamster]

I dont think the vehicles will ruin the game at all. I think it adds something new to the game. Definitely looking forward to this one.

[executioneer]

WHY YOU GOTTA MAKE A POLL FOR, JUST FUCKING ASK PEOPLE

[Schimid]

It's one thing to introduce an inventive vehicle creation system that immerses the player and forces them to think within the boundaries of your world, ask them to adapt to challenges you set by giving them the tools, then lean back upon your directors chair and observe how they mortar the bricks.

It's entirely another to take an established franchise and tack said creation system onto it. Sure, cultivating an entirely new IP is much more difficult and expensive than just relying on a known brand, but if you're going to introduce an entirely new mechanic then for fucks sake don't make it the central focus of the game. Banjo-Kazooie was good enough at differentiating itself from other platform games through the music, level design and art style, it just feels to me like the guys at Rare have some kind of inferiority complex and thought "man, Ratchet and Clank are so much better than us, we need a new direction."

From what I've been reading, they just took away all of Kazooie's abilities and gave them to the cars. So now instead of being an annoyingly sarcastic twat that shot eggs, super jump or fly, now she's just an annoying sarcastic twat with no powers, and the futility of her existence just makes her even more annoying. She was never really funny, she was just there because she made Banjo do cool shit. Now she's just popping out of the backpack to make an off-color remark that Boggy Bear will handily ignore and she'll retreat in your backpack to resume her steady diet of not doing a Goddamn thing.

I guess platform games just don't sell like they used to. Besides that, the 360 is hardly the market for a cartoon platformer.

[HappyHamster]

Im reading all of that and agreeing... But I dont think the vehicle stuff will make the game -that- bad either.

The thing is, this is what happens to series now... We all know a series that we held close and died a bit inside as we watched its body be stuffed with rotting rats and then set on fire, it happens. Yes, it probably wasnt the smartest of ideas to make this vehicle thing the main aspect of the game but it still looks decent... Besides, what could they do in terms of platforming, that they havent already done?
At least they're trying to go in a different direction instead of spoon feeding you the same overplayed nonesense so many other games do.

[Nick]

I bought it, and I absolutely love it. The game play may be different from the originals, but the story makes you feel like you're playing a N64 game, and I adore that.

[HappyHamster]

I bought it, and I absolutely love it. The game play may be different from the originals, but the story makes you feel like you're playing a N64 game, and I adore that.

Glad to hear it but Im curious about the whole "building the vehicle" thing... I cant get it (no cash, blah blah blah). Is it very linear, as in "you must build it like this", or can you make pretty much whatever you want, within reason?

[Nick]

Glad to hear it but Im curious about the whole "building the vehicle" thing... I cant get it (no cash, blah blah blah). Is it very linear, as in "you must build it like this", or can you make pretty much whatever you want, within reason?
It reminds me of lego racers.

You obtain new parts finding crates in the environments and taking them back to Mumbo, or by completing tasks. You can have a certain amount of each part before you run out, but you have to be careful about how you go about it. If you make your car too cluttered it will be heavy and slow.

[HappyHamster]

Ah alright then, so it makes you think ahead of time before just throwing stuff together? I like that, thanks.

[Schimid]

You know what? I'm sure it's fun. I'm 100% sure it's a lot of fun to build trains and planes and automobiles and hovercrafts and assorted place-goers.

But you know what?

It's not Banjo-Kazooie. That's my issue. The "story" isn't good, it never was--the characters were. But I don't want to play a game with Banjo-Kazooie's characters and Lego Racers gameplay. I'm not going to eat peanut butter and grilled cheese sandwiches either.

[pac-man]

It is Banjo-Kazooie. Says so right on the box.

[Dimnos]

You are concerned about story in Banjo-Kazooie? I mean... wtf... really? I mean really?

[Nick]

Banjo-Kazooie has never really had a story, the whole thing was just a mockery of other video games. It has always been like that, and this game is no different. I do miss the classic platforming, but if you want to be that much of a baby about it you can just download the original games from Xbox Live arcade.

[Zomboid]

He only has a wii, which is probably where his OUTRAGE is stemming from.

[Nick]

Yep, that'd explain it.

[pac-man]

Wii owners should be used to disappointment.

[Guitar Woman]

Mabye if you idiots would read his fucking posts you'd be able to see why he's angry?

Just a thought you know

[Zomboid]

I did read his posts, you fucking sycophant. All he said was "it's not banjo kazooie!" and it's going in a different direction. Those aren't really valid complaints.

Edit: Also, I don't know how any console can be "not right" for a type of game. Plenty of people enjoy platformers; you don't need to own a wii to play them. That should be a good thing for most people.

[Schimid]

I wasn't complaining about the story in B-K. In fact, I'm doing the exact opposite--it's stupid. It always has been. The characters are great, the art direction is great, the music is great, the story is insipid. Whether or not this is on the console I own has nothing to do with it, I played the demo at Chojin's house and just didn't like it because it wasn't what I enjoyed. Not much else to say. Sure, I'm upset that they did it, but I'm sure it's a really good game otherwise, it's just not Banjo-Kazooie. If I had a 360 or if it were on Wii, sure I'd buy it. I like the franchise. Hell, I'd enjoy it too. But it wouldn't be what I wanted.

Using an outrageous example, remember Metal Gear Acid? How it was a card game, right? Okay, imagine that happening, but that's it. They don't continue making MGS games on the side, they don't keep on with the series established foundations, they completely flip the chessboard and decide to play checkers. Third-person stealth is out, everyone make room for parlor games.

I also never said that the game "wasn't right" for the 360. There's definitely a market for everything. I'm just saying let's not kid ourselves; do you think a cartoonish action/adventure/platform game is going to do better on the Wii or 360? Note that I said BETTER, not WELL.

Also Zomboid, what in your mind constitutes a valid complaint? That you can't play said game in HD whilst rolling in your caddy? That you need to shoot some niggas? Inquiring minds want to know.

Maybe I'm overstating my anger here, because I'm not flying into hysterics or boycotting the game over the change. I'm just disappointed.

I also invite Nick to eat a metric ton of dicks at his leisure.

[pac-man]

I understand your disappointment to a degree. I remember feeling similarly when they gave Mario that water jetpack in Super Mario Sunshine. And while it changed things up, it didn't shake the foundations of the franchise, and the game was still quite good.

[HappyHamster]

Schimid ... :|

Change happens over time, theres nothing you can do about it. Its better for a company to actually try to do something new and either progress further or crash and fail, over doing the same shit the "fans" want. I mean, would you want to play the same thing over and over again? If you really wanted that, then just re-play a good game...

Edit: It does suck that they had to pretty much make some character changes, making them useless... but you know what? I can make me a car. If I want to use the character the same way in the previous games, Id play the previous games.

[Zomboid]

Using an outrageous example, remember Metal Gear Acid? How it was a card game, right? Okay, imagine that happening, but that's it. They don't continue making MGS games on the side, they don't keep on with the series established foundations, they completely flip the chessboard and decide to play checkers. Third-person stealth is out, everyone make room for parlor games.

I also never said that the game "wasn't right" for the 360. There's definitely a market for everything. I'm just saying let's not kid ourselves; do you think a cartoonish action/adventure/platform game is going to do better on the Wii or 360? Note that I said BETTER, not WELL.

Also Zomboid, what in your mind constitutes a valid complaint? That you can't play said game in HD whilst rolling in your caddy? That you need to shoot some niggas? Inquiring minds want to know.

Maybe I'm overstating my anger here, because I'm not flying into hysterics or boycotting the game over the change. I'm just disappointed.

I also invite Nick to eat a metric ton of dicks at his leisure.
Well, I don't know what to tell you. I've never been a huge banjo-kazooie fan, but I did enjoy the first one. Them changing things up causes you to dislike it, but you'd still buy it and enjoy it? I can kind of understand that you're upset with the changes, but it sounds like they're minor problems at best if you'd still buy and enjoy the thing.

Who knows if they're gonna keep the changes, though? They'll probably just gauge fan and critic reaction to this one and go from there. Don't jump to conclusions.

Yeah, it would probably do better on wii, considering how many wii owners are children, but who cares? Nintendo doesn't own rare and now there's another kid-friendly game on the 360. Everybody wins :D...Except wii owners.

Your complaints weren't valid because you pretty much just said "I DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE SAAAAME!" Here, you elaborated and made a good point or two. Now we have a better idea of what you were saying. Also, what the fuck are you even implying? Caddys and niggas? What?

Edit: Jeff's a dumb fuck. That also needed to be said.

[Nick]

I wasn't complaining about the story in B-K. In fact, I'm doing the exact opposite--it's stupid. It always has been. The characters are great, the art direction is great, the music is great, the story is insipid. Whether or not this is on the console I own has nothing to do with it, I played the demo at Chojin's house and just didn't like it because it wasn't what I enjoyed. Not much else to say. Sure, I'm upset that they did it, but I'm sure it's a really good game otherwise, it's just not Banjo-Kazooie. If I had a 360 or if it were on Wii, sure I'd buy it. I like the franchise. Hell, I'd enjoy it too. But it wouldn't be what I wanted.

Using an outrageous example, remember Metal Gear Acid? How it was a card game, right? Okay, imagine that happening, but that's it. They don't continue making MGS games on the side, they don't keep on with the series established foundations, they completely flip the chessboard and decide to play checkers. Third-person stealth is out, everyone make room for parlor games.

I also never said that the game "wasn't right" for the 360. There's definitely a market for everything. I'm just saying let's not kid ourselves; do you think a cartoonish action/adventure/platform game is going to do better on the Wii or 360? Note that I said BETTER, not WELL.

Also Zomboid, what in your mind constitutes a valid complaint? That you can't play said game in HD whilst rolling in your caddy? That you need to shoot some niggas? Inquiring minds want to know.

Maybe I'm overstating my anger here, because I'm not flying into hysterics or boycotting the game over the change. I'm just disappointed.

I also invite Nick to eat a metric ton of dicks at his leisure.


Why you illin' dawg.

[Ant10708]

Its alot of fun and since I pre ordered it I can enjoy the OG Banjo on my xbox for free :)

[HappyHamster]

Caddys and niggas? What?

GTA, I think. Makes sense to me, kinda.

[Schimid]

Well, I don't know what to tell you. I've never been a huge banjo-kazooie fan, but I did enjoy the first one. Them changing things up causes you to dislike it, but you'd still buy it and enjoy it? I can kind of understand that you're upset with the changes, but it sounds like they're minor problems at best if you'd still buy and enjoy the thing.

Who knows if they're gonna keep the changes, though? They'll probably just gauge fan and critic reaction to this one and go from there. Don't jump to conclusions.

Yeah, it would probably do better on wii, considering how many wii owners are children, but who cares? Nintendo doesn't own rare and now there's another kid-friendly game on the 360. Everybody wins :D...Except wii owners.

Your complaints weren't valid because you pretty much just said "I DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE SAAAAME!" Here, you elaborated and made a good point or two. Now we have a better idea of what you were saying. Also, what the fuck are you even implying? Caddys and niggas? What?

Edit: Jeff's a dumb fuck. That also needed to be said.

They're minor problems about major changes. Yeah. What's hard to grasp about that? Furthermore, what's so rage-ignitingly argumentative about that?

You're absolutely right, I should instead wait until the next one comes out to see if my qualms were justified or not. Why voice complaint now when you can tomorrow, I always say.

Wii owners don't win anymore, yeah.

What? How are my complaints not valid because the game isn't the same? Was it wrong of people to criticize Kingdom of the Crystal Skull? I didn't see it and I don't like Indiana Jones, but from what I understand it was terrible and bore little resemblance to the first few movies other than the characters. You can argue that the other movies were GOOD and this one wasn't (which apparently isn't the case, as this game is pretty good) but you could also not argue that point so please don't. Point being, I don't see what's wrong with not liking something because it's not the same as something else.

I like platforming, not LEGO games. I like house, not speedcore. Your socialist attitude of accepting all games is frightening and quite frankly bears a strong resemblance to communism.

Jeff, if you're trying to get me to consider the worth of a game, I'm not entirely sure if comparing it to Mario's most widely panned outing is a good idea.

Nick, if you're going to eat those dicks, you'd better shake a leg. A ton is a lot. Why are you on the internet? There are dicks to be eaten.

[pac-man]

It was me, not Jeff, and Mario's "most widely panned" game was not Sunshine. It was very well reviewed, a great game, and contained a gameplay mechanic that was new to the series. I won't be surprised when folks say the same of Nuts & Bolts.

[HappyHamster]

Goddammit, Schimid.. Is it really that bad that the same (dare i say it, boring) gameplay isnt presented here in the same way? Is that really so bad?

And for the love of all living creatures, stop with your insults...they're just horrible.... "Eat dicks", dear god, at least be creative.

And while pac-man enjoyed Mario Sunshine, I did not... But my opinion doesnt instantly make that game bad. Good on them for trying something new, it just didnt stick with me. You get what Im saying?

[Schimid]

It was me, not Jeff, and Mario's "most widely panned" game was not Sunshine. It was very well reviewed, a great game, and contained a gameplay mechanic that was new to the series. I won't be surprised when folks say the same of Nuts & Bolts.

But it wasn't like other Mario games. That's all I'm saying. And you're kidding yourself if you don't think Sunshine is considered the worst 3D Mario game. Sure I liked it, but come on.

Hahah. My bad. You're all the same to me.

Goddammit, Schimid.. Is it really that bad that the same (dare i say it, boring) gameplay isnt presented here in the same way? Is that really so bad?

And for the love of all living creatures, stop with your insults...they're just horrible.... "Eat dicks", dear god, at least be creative.

And while pac-man enjoyed Mario Sunshine, I did not... But my opinion doesnt instantly make that game bad. Good on them for trying something new, it just didnt stick with me. You get what Im saying?

I didn't say it was bad, cunt. I said it wasn't what I wanted.

Am I not saying the exact same thing you said there? That the game will most certainly be good and will sell well? What piece am I missing here? Is it your crusading attitude, out to rid the land of all naysayers? I think so!

And if you'd rather I be original, may I then invite you to assist Nick in eating said dicks. There are a very many dicks and while his appetite for big dicks is clearly beyond mortal limitations, I'm certain he would appreciate the help. Perhaps you can treat yourself to dessert of each others dicks.

[Nick]

Hey guys, it looks like Zomboid has set off a bomb in Schimid's trousers.

[pac-man]

Super Mario Sunshine received critical acclaim by game reviewers. IGN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGN) praised the addition of the water backpack for improving the gameplay,[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Sunshine#cite_note-27) and GameSpy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameSpy) commented on the "wide variety of moves and the beautifully constructed environments".[29] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Sunshine#cite_note-28) The game received a perfect score from Nintendo Power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Power), who commented the "superb graphics, excellent music, clever layouts, funny cinema scenes and ingenious puzzles."[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Sunshine#cite_note-29) GamePro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GamePro) also gave Super Mario Sunshine a perfect score, stating that the game was "a masterpiece of superior game design, infinite gameplay variety, creativity, and life."[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Sunshine#cite_note-GamePro-3) The American-based publication Game Informer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Informer) said that the game is arguably "the best Mario to date."[31] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Sunshine#cite_note-30) ComputerAndVideoGames.com (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ComputerAndVideoGames.com) also mentioned the game is "better than Super Mario 64 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_64)."[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Sunshine#cite_note-CVG-20)

Nope, not kidding myself.

[Schimid]

Good game, worst Mario game. Wikipedia at me all you want, I'm right.

[pac-man]

Good game, worst Mario game. Wikipedia at me all you want, I'm right.

Hotel Mario.

No wiki necessary for that.

You're wrong.

[Nick]

Mario is Missing, Mario's Time Machine.

[HappyHamster]

Calm down mister high and mighty, this here is the internet.

Oh, more dick eating? Are you serious? :\

[Schimid]

Hotel Mario is fucking great you rodent. And you know what I meant, I said 3D before, etc. etc. eat dicks

[Nick]

All 3D Mario titles are inferior to the 2D titles.

[HappyHamster]

Super Mario Sunshine received critical acclaim by game reviewers. IGN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGN) praised the addition of the water backpack for improving the gameplay,[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Sunshine#cite_note-27) and GameSpy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameSpy) commented on the "wide variety of moves and the beautifully constructed environments".[29] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Sunshine#cite_note-28) The game received a perfect score from Nintendo Power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Power), who commented the "superb graphics, excellent music, clever layouts, funny cinema scenes and ingenious puzzles."[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Sunshine#cite_note-29) GamePro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GamePro) also gave Super Mario Sunshine a perfect score, stating that the game was "a masterpiece of superior game design, infinite gameplay variety, creativity, and life."[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Sunshine#cite_note-GamePro-3) The American-based publication Game Informer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Informer) said that the game is arguably "the best Mario to date."[31] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Sunshine#cite_note-30) ComputerAndVideoGames.com (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ComputerAndVideoGames.com) also mentioned the game is "better than Super Mario 64 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_64)."[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Sunshine#cite_note-CVG-20)

Nope, not kidding myself.

I feel that I should say this... While I personally did not like the game as much as Id like to have, the game itsself is still amazing. The jetpack was a very nice new addition and I have yet to see better environments.
See what I did there? I didnt like the game but I still appreciate its existance.

[HappyHamster]

Hotel Mario is fucking great you rodent. And you know what I meant, I said 3D before, etc. etc. eat dicks

Oh...ohh! Something smells fishy here....

[Schimid]

I wish Zomboid would come back, I'd rather bat paws with him than do mortal combat with the homo horde.

[HappyHamster]

I wish Zomboid would come back, I'd rather bat paws with him than do mortal combat with the homo horde.

You're trying to hard now. Back with ye >:

[pac-man]

Insults are cute and all, but what I don't get is why someone who owns a Wii would be against gimmicky changes.

[Nick]

Meh, he's just being nitpicky.

[HappyHamster]

So wait, was he really complaining about how cars are now making Banjo Kazooie "not the same"?

I mean, I got upset with Sonic and all (:D) but even I can appreciate the change to an extent...

[Zomboid]

They're minor problems about major changes. Yeah. What's hard to grasp about that? Furthermore, what's so rage-ignitingly argumentative about that?

You're absolutely right, I should instead wait until the next one comes out to see if my qualms were justified or not. Why voice complaint now when you can tomorrow, I always say.

Wii owners don't win anymore, yeah.

What? How are my complaints not valid because the game isn't the same? Was it wrong of people to criticize Kingdom of the Crystal Skull? I didn't see it and I don't like Indiana Jones, but from what I understand it was terrible and bore little resemblance to the first few movies other than the characters. You can argue that the other movies were GOOD and this one wasn't (which apparently isn't the case, as this game is pretty good) but you could also not argue that point so please don't. Point being, I don't see what's wrong with not liking something because it's not the same as something else.

I like platforming, not LEGO games. I like house, not speedcore. Your socialist attitude of accepting all games is frightening and quite frankly bears a strong resemblance to communism.

Jeff, if you're trying to get me to consider the worth of a game, I'm not entirely sure if comparing it to Mario's most widely panned outing is a good idea.

Nick, if you're going to eat those dicks, you'd better shake a leg. A ton is a lot. Why are you on the internet? There are dicks to be eaten.
It just seems like you're nitpicking with this game for some reason. It not being what you expected, and that being a major problem for you doesn't really seem like a problem when you go on to say that it's a good game, NAW MEAN? I can understand if you're saying that you like it as something other than banjo-kazooie, but even then, games change. There hasn't been a new banjo-kazooie in quite a while so it's more of a reboot than going from a string of successful, recent games and then suddenly changing the formula.

As I said, complaining that the game isn't the same as the old ones isn't really valid in this case because the last game came out on what? The n64? That's a couple generations of consoles ago. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull just sucked in a lot of different areas. It's impossible to limit the one reason for it being totally fucking awful on it not being the same as the others in the series.

I don't like all games, and I don't like when a successful series suddenly takes a hard turn towards something else entirely, but when there's such a huge gap in between the games, you're kidding yourself if you think it'll be the exact same thing. I haven't played it, but it at least LOOKS almost exactly as I remember it. If it's still the same cartoony platformer, it can't have strayed TOO far.

[Schimid]

Yeah, I guess you're right in that it's been a really long time. I think the time lapse is also what makes it so disheartening, to hear that a new B-K is coming out and getting all hyped and it's, uh, this. I'll admit I never thought of it that way. I've always loved platform games and to take away one of my favorites, sure it's upsetting. I loved it for what it was, and now it's different, is all. Good, but different.

I don't really consider it nitpicking because I'm not complaining about a new character, a small design choice, a level, anything like that...this is what the entire game is based around now, which is a pretty big shift. I can certainly enjoy it for the game that it is, but not as a B-K game I know and wanted, which is probably my biggest gripe.

[HappyHamster]

Yeah, I guess you're right in that it's been a really long time. I think the time lapse is also what makes it so disheartening, to hear that a new B-K is coming out and getting all hyped and it's, uh, this.

I don't really consider it nitpicking because I'm not complaining about a new character, a small design choice, a level, anything like that...this is what the entire game is based around now, which is a pretty big shift. I can certainly enjoy it for the game that it is, but not as a B-K game I know and wanted, which is probably my biggest gripe.

Then what did you want exactly? For it to be just like all the other Banjo Kazooie games?

[Nick]

This game still has you running and jumping about to find collectibles, it's just not as big a part of it as it was in the first two games. The whole story behind the game deals with the huge gap since the last game.

In the beginning Banjo and Kazooie are so out of shape from 10 years of eating pizza and playing video games they can't even preform their original moves. Grunty finally escapes from the cave, and they decide to duke it out once more. Luckily, the Lord Of Games shows up to spare us from the lamest fight in the history of videogames and after giving Grunty a new body, and getting Banjo and Kazooie back into shape, he sends them off to compete in a game of his own.

[HappyHamster]

Awesome.

[darkvare]

at least is cheaper tha average 360 game lol

[Dimnos]

Someone call Guinness Book! We have 3 pages about Banjo Kazooie!

[executioneer]

now they just need to release a sequel to conker's bad fur day that is a first-person rts

[Cheez]

Simple: Microsoft just wants to ruin another bit of Rare while they're still inexplicably hanging onto the company. It would be sort of like giving Sonic a sword. Oh, wait...

[Fathom Zero]

I love this game. It gets progressively harder and harder and is always satifying. Also, this is the one game with user createable content that I actually want to make myself. Little Big Planet seemed so daunting that I didn't actually want to do anything.

[ZeldaQueen]

I played the first two and really liked them. I loved the attacks, the bizzare monsters that would go "Rawr!" and chase you at 2 mph, the surreal worlds, and Grunty going "Ra ra ra, ra ra ra" whenever she spoke. I loved the different puzzles and rooting around and flying blind. It gave me the same feeling Ocarina of Time did the first time I played it.

Maybe it's because I'm not much of a vehicle person, but the idea of Banjo and Kazooie having everything car-related just bugs me. I'd be fine if they put some feature in like there were car-racing events in levels (like the DK minecart races), but it just seems to much to make it all cars. The only racing games I've played regularly are Mario Kart and Mario Kart: Double Dash, which mostly gets the appeal of being able to throw a shell at my brother's kart. The racing game I played that Banjo was in was Diddy Kong Racing, which I gave up on because the racing was fine at first but it got boring to have it the entire game.

Anyway, that's just my thought on it. No, I'm not grumpy because I've got a Wii (I'm perfectly happy with my Wii). Just my opinion. I prefer games that let you run around and search and swim and have more freedom.

[Fathom Zero]

I'm still diggin' it. The progression's still satisfying. And Klurgon's arcade is psychotic.

[Schimid]

Anyway, that's just my thought on it. No, I'm not grumpy because I've got a Wii (I'm perfectly happy with my Wii). Just my opinion. I prefer games that let you run around and search and swim and have more freedom.

I think that's my biggest gripe. The other games had a mentality of "Oh shit, look up there! Wanna go up there? Find a way!"

This game seems more like "Oh shit, look up there! Wanna go up there? Well, you can't! Not until you get the proper pieces! Oh, you made a car? That's pretty cool! Oops, you did it wrong! LOL!!! Back to the lab! Learn physics asshole!"

They've swapped the immediacy of impulse platforming and replaced it with a system that requires planning and forethought. I'm just more of an instant gratification kinda guy.

[HappyHamster]

So you have to do a little extra work instead of waltzing around and being spoon fed every tiny little thing. Big deal.

[Nick]

You make this game sound harder than it actually is. You get some basic vehicle design blueprints early in the first few levels that you can use if you don't want to be creative in make your own. That, and the fact you can switch out your vehicles or add on to them at any time helps make you not feel frustrated at it. Also the test track for all the vehicles helps you see just how stupid your designs are.

[ZeldaQueen]

So you have to do a little extra work instead of waltzing around and being spoon fed every tiny little thing. Big deal.
I'd hardly call the first two Banjo-Kazooie games spoon feeding every tiny thing. But maybe that's just me.

[DevilWearsPrada]

I gave up on Tooie, it was too much for my little 10 year old mind

[ZeldaQueen]

I'll confess, I cheated a bit with Tooie. My brother got the player's guide with it for Christmas. :(

Kazooie I did not, so it took a lot longer. I did look up how to get the Stop 'N Swop things.

That reminds me, did Rare ever come out with what the Stop 'N Swop was supposed to be about? I have a theory, but I'm curious about what they say.

[Nick]

I'll confess, I cheated a bit with Tooie. My brother got the player's guide with it for Christmas. :(

Kazooie I did not, so it took a lot longer. I did look up how to get the Stop 'N Swop things.

That reminds me, did Rare ever come out with what the Stop 'N Swop was supposed to be about? I have a theory, but I'm curious about what they say.
I know Stop 'N Swop works between Banjo Kazooie on XBLA and the new game.

[darkvare]

i never played the first 2 completly i had jet force gemini and conker at the time so i pushed the away

[HappyHamster]

I'd hardly call the first two Banjo-Kazooie games spoon feeding every tiny thing. But maybe that's just me.

I wasnt talking about the first two Banjo-Kazooie games at all... I was saying that Id rather do work in -any- game instead of having something given to me right off. Its not nearly as gratifying that way, you know?