New T4 Trailer

[VaporTrailx1]

Anyone see the new T4 trailer? Looks pretty badass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRwby_vjg88

[Dimnos]

Nice!

[Angryhydralisk]

Not bad. I haven't kept up too much on Terminator since 3 came out. Is that and that tv series any good?

[WhiteRat]

T2 is my all-time favorite movie so I had pretty high expectations of T3. I don't think it's as horrible as a lot of people say but it definitely is the worst of the 3 movies. I have no interest in watching the show at all.

[Tadao]

I liked 3s story. Never had an interest in the tv show either. I have a feeling that the tv series butchers the whole thing. The more you play with time and space, the less believable it becomes.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

The show is actually pretty good. It's got a seperate continuity than T3 I think though. I liked T3, but more because it's kind of ridiculous. Hoping T4 is good.

[Tadao]

Wasn't it proven that this and the matrix was all stolen from some lady?

[VaporTrailx1]

Maybe. The idea of a supercomputer controlling or waging war against humanity has been around since atleast the 40's. SkyNEt does share a lot in common with Colossus inColossus(1966) and AM from "I Have no mouth and I must scream"(1967)

[Tadao]

Nah, it was pretty precise. Like the whole characters and plot and everything.

I guess it's false!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/matrix.asp

[VaporTrailx1]

I don't know how anyone could try taking credit for both franchises. Their only similarity is robots taking over the world. The Matrix is more similar to Dark City than it is to Terminator.

[Dimnos]

The show is actually pretty good. It's got a seperate continuity than T3 I think though. I liked T3, but more because it's kind of ridiculous. Hoping T4 is good.

They did some time traveling and basically made it where T3 never happened. The TV show is much better than T3. Yea they play around with time travel and stuff a bit, and yes that kinda fucks with things but I wouldnt say they have butchered it... yet anyway.

P.S. Dark City Ruled! :rock

[VaporTrailx1]

The movies alone have atleast 5 or 6 timelines.

1 original timeline where Reese is not John's father
2 T1 altered timeline
3 T2 altered timeline
4 T3 altered timeline
5 T4 altered timeline

[Tadao]

Like I said, keep playing with it and it usually gets worse. Example, T2 is still the best.

[King Hadas]

I can't say this movie looks all that tasty. It seems to be missing out on what I liked most about the first two movies, the terminator. I mean, I saw robots but no singular, larger-than-life robot antagonist. All that time travel bunk was just parsley for me, the greatest appeal of those movies were the super-cool terminators. I didn't enjoy the third one because the lady terminator just didn't wow me. I also didn't like Skynet's rise turning out to be inevitable. Doesn't that mean Arnie's sacrifice in the second one was totally pointless? That's bullshit!

[Tadao]

The only thing I like about this trailer is that it has that mad max look to it. I love that shit.

[VaporTrailx1]

Judgment Day had to happen one way or another, Simply because John Connor and SkyNET are actually responsible for creating themselves in all timeline's but 1. If SkyNET didn't rise, the time machine wouldn't exist for him to send his father back in time. So if SkyNET didn't exist, John wouldn't exist. And if John didn't exist SkyNET never would have sent back a terminator to be used as the basis for technology that would become SkyNET.

I think it actually would be more interesting if they made a movie taking place in the original unaltered timeline.

[executioneer]

they did, it's called "flashdance"

[kahljorn]

i thought resse was always john connors father ;/

[executioneer]

yeah that's kind of the point i was trying to make ;/

[kahljorn]

yeah that's kind of the point i was trying to make ;/

lol i get it now :(

[darkvare]

finally a war between the humasn and the terminators. 3 movies talking about it and is finally true

[Dimnos]

finally a war between the humasn and the terminators. 3 movies talking about it and is finally true

Damn straight!

[electric ninja]

One thing I noticed when wacthing the first Terminator movie, if the machines didn't sent the terminator back to kill Sarah Conner, the humans wouldnt have had to send Reese back and John Conner would never have been conceved. The machines are partly responsible for John's existence. Although Cyberdyne developed the technolgy used in terminators after the hand of the sent-back terminator was found, so the machiens are also partly responsible for them selfs.

[Tadao]

Already said that. Fucking shut up.

[MetalMilitia]

I believe the way it's supposed to work is that there isn't just a single time-line. Each time something is changed the time-line splits into a new line. So the fact that Skynet basically creates itself is redundant because in the new time-line created when the Terminator was originally sent back in time Skynet exists so the time-line in which Skynet does not exist (or rather it does not exist for many more years) is no longer relevant.

The thing you need to remember is that when the Kyle tells Sarah about judgement day he is referring to his own timeline and not the parent timeline in which it may not have occured for many more years.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/176659.9/TerminatorTimeline.jpg

There is also the possibility that I'm talking complete bollocks.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

I like your summary of T3. Asshole.
J/K.

[MetalMilitia]

That's all I could remember about it tbh. That and the fact Arnie destroys a car for some reason.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

I was expecting for you to mention the terminators beating the shit out of each other in the restroom. Integral to the storyline.

[kahljorn]

all of that stuff about time only matters if you believe that time can be changed ;/

obviously, in the ORIGINAL TIME LINE. AS IN, AFTER RESSE WAS SUPPOSED TO COME BACK LETS PRETEND IT DIDNT HAPPEN. OK SO SARAH CONNOR DOESNT GET KNOCKED UP BY THAT GUY. AND SHE DOESNT HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCES. And if resse never went back, then the terminator never went back -- since reeses goal was to stop the terminator. If the terminator never went back, it was probably because john connor never would've been born... i dunno. If john connor never would've been born, then the terminator wouldn't have gone back. If the terminator hadn't have gone back, then there must not have been a skynet that was at war with the humans which were led by john connor. Therefore, the terminator never would've been able to travel back and time (to cause the changed time line which would allow his existence) and you aren't proposing a CHANGED universe but that an ALTERNATE DIMENSION WITH A DIFFERENT TIMELINE COLLIDED INTO OURS.

see the entire problem is that you forget that in the original timeline IN THE FUTURE (THERE WAS A FUTURE IN THE ORIGINAL TIMELINE) john connor already existed and was fighting against the terminators and the terminators went back in time in order to kill him and sent resse back in time which according to your theory is what changed time but how can it have "changed time," if in your theory of change it required the preexistence of the changed time line? ;\

id say you're confusing cause with effect

[MetalMilitia]

Nope, that's what I was saying. It doesn't change time it starts a new time line independent from the last. That way you don't have the whole Back to the Future thing where Marty would disappear from the photograph because he did something in the past. The Terminator would still have come back but on the new time line he may not necessarily still exist in the future in his same exact form... but that doesn't matter because he came from a separate time line thus having no effect on the new one.

The main mistake I made was here:

"Kyle tells Sarah about judgement day he is referring to his own time line and not the parent time line in which it may not have occurred for many more years."

Which does necessitate a pre-determined future and doesn't really make any sense.

Here is an updated diagram that sucks less (timetravels in red):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/176659.9/TerminatorTimeline_2.gif

[kahljorn]

You don't understand that in the parent timeline the terminator came back in time and so did resse somehow. I guess because you think of linear time or something. In the parent timeline john connor already existed and sent his father back in time. I kind of thought part of what was so crazy was that he would've known he was sending his father back in time.

[kahljorn]

really there's nothing in the new movies that isn't outside of the original timeline ;/ in the original timeline the world was all fucked up (nuclear explosions) skynet existed and so did john connor so nothing changed.

[MetalMilitia]

Remember, "The future's not set. There's no fate but what we make for ourselves."

Of course Skynet always becomes self aware but in order to avoid having people randomely cease to exist it needs to split.

[kahljorn]

The Terminator would still have come back but on the new time line he may not necessarily still exist in the future in his same exact form

How is this not marty mcfly disappearing and then reappearing wearing cooler clothes?

[kahljorn]

HOW CAN YOU COME FROM A SEPERATE TIMELINE IDONT GET HWO MORE THAN ONE TIMELINE CAN EXIST WITHOUT PEOPLE APPEARING AND DISAPPEARING

[kahljorn]

SORRY I DONT BELIEVE IN PARADOXES OR "SEPERATE TIME LINES"

WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL OF THE DIFFERENT TIME LINES? IT MAKES NO SENSE

[Tadao]

Time Trousers are very confusing.

[MetalMilitia]

You can timetravel back in your own time line but once some variable changes it must split to a new one. From then on you can only travel back along this new time line.
Because this new time line didn't exist when the first time traveller came back it didn't affect it but in subsequent time travels the traveller would have to follow the new time line.
Yes this makes sense. That's how it works.

Back to the Future physics are slightly different and far beyond the scope of my diagram.

[VaporTrailx1]

I think the one we're getting at is the one where each time anything random happens a new timeline is created. There's a timeline where Bob Dole became President, where Napolean conquered Russia, and even a different one for each variation a hydrogen atom may spin. So under this theory there is no such thing as a paradox. You could go back in time and kill yourself and you would not disappear or destroy the universe. Think of the Star Trek episodes "Mirror, Mirror" or "In The Mirror Darkly".

[kahljorn]

Yea but then how come the future always stays the same? They kept sending back robots to destroy connor when really the timeline had already been altered he had been born at a different time and by a different person then in the original tmeline. I mean, no offense, but if you change who's parents somebody has and the details of their existence they are going to be different people.
remember when marty mcfly was gonna disappear cause his mom was gonna fuck BIFF? Yea.

I think that time never changes and that everything that happens is a part of time. If you travel back in time and change time, nothing will change out of the ordinary because time was already changed by you in the past.
Resse was always John Connors father and John Connor always knew resse was his father, and john connor knew that he would have to send him back his whole life.
he's jesus

[electric ninja]

What in the fuck?! I post something about terminator, I come back the next day to find people arguing about the space-time continuum?

Oh god, what have I done!? I TAKE IT ALL BACK! :eek

[kahljorn]

OMG DISCUSSION ON A MESSAGE BOARD

[Dimnos]

I think in Terminator time travel works more like it does in The Time Machine. The guys girlfriend dies so he makes a time machine. He goes back in time to save her and he does save her from one death only watch her die another way. While he was able to change how she died, he was unable to change that she died. In Terminator they are able to change how and when judgment day comes but they cant change that it does come. With robots and people coming back in time in the first movie they changed how and when John came into the world but were unable to change the fact that he did.

[Dimnos]

And the "There's no fate but the fate we make." Isnt written in stone anywhere in Terminator. Its only something the humans tell themselves to make them feel better.

[kahljorn]

I guess I'm just too logical or something ;]

For example I don't get how if the timeline changes everytime how in the future they know that there's a terminator. They send the terminator, the timeline CHANGES COMPLETELY AS HAS BEEN ARGUED -- how do they know that there is a terminator in the past and to send resse? And where the time machine is? I mean what the hell that doesn't even make sense. How are they somehow aware of this plot while being in a completely different timeline? DO THE MEMORIES MERGE?
REally, the very second they sent the first terminator back connor should've been dead and the world should've been completely fucked. Obviously, the timeline doesn't change that much.
Also I think part of what's interesting about John Connor's character is that he probably learns how to be a SUPER FUTURE LEADER from all the experiences he has in the second and third one, along with learning from his mom (who learned partly from resse). I think that without that he might have just been a regular jackoff like everybody else.

POK BUT IM GONA STOP ARGUING ABOUT THIS CAUSE OF HOW PATHETIC IT IS

[pac-man]

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d74/m240n/330663.jpg

[Dimnos]

:lol

[kahljorn]

LOL HILARIOUS

[electric ninja]

He's right, it is just a movie. So I gess the time travel rules don't have to make complete sense, the film makers are going to do what's most entertaining, not what's most logical.

[kahljorn]

alright guys sorry for talking about something more than once

please just leave me alone ok thanks

[kahljorn]

i mean this movie was really formative in my life and here you guys are talking about how my formative notions are all based on JUST A MOVIE. How can I live with myself after this.

[Dimnos]

One day at a time man... one day at a time...

[kahljorn]

Dimnos, be careful. You're treading on ground in which y ou MAY TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING MORE THAN ONCE AND PEOPLE MIGHT BE ALL, "MAN I DIDNT EXPECT PEOPLE TO SAY MORE THAN ONE THING ABOUT THIS" and then everyone will think poorly of you and probably even photoshop a cliche for you!

[Babs]

Sorry to cut into your guys conversation but I thought that when I was going to see the trailer that the movie was going to be absolutely shit and just a bad idea. Actually though, it seems righteously kick ass and now I'll have to see it when it comes out.

I want to get into the storyline and show you guys how it works but I have a feeling more confusion will just come about.

[Durrsomething]

Did you hear Christian Bale went apeshit on the set?

Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRhjBq2kYj4

[Tadao]

Dude! That is so fucking awesome! I wish someone showed me this earlier! I needed the laugh!

[Jeff The Ninja]

So its Batman fighting evil robots from the future?

[executioneer]

man they should make the next batman movie about H.A.R.D.A.C. :(