The Watchmen

[Fathom Zero]

Stylistically brilliant. I love it.

The sex scenes are choice. The ending they had to make up for the movie was even good. And naysayers, let's face it: it's hard to sell the giant, fake, psychic space kraken to movie-goers.

Very little was left out. The only major thing would be all of the paperstand and the comic book.

[electric ninja]

I haven't read any of the comic books, so if I saw this movie would I enjoy it or would I not get it, and just sit in the theatre and ask "Who the hell is that guy?!"

[Fathom Zero]

Knowledge of the comics is preferable, but not entirely required. Some things will make you go "Huh?".

[darkvare]

how did you get to see it

[Fathom Zero]

Early screening for military folk.

It has Matt Frewer in it!

[Guitar Woman]

So is Zack Snyder going to do a Baywatch movie

[MarioRPG]

Does it feel really long? I don't know if I'll end up seeing it.

[Fathom Zero]

It felt long, at least that's what the people I took with me said. They'd never read the comic. I read it and have been used to seeing long movies lately (Taken, Benjamin Button), so it felt typical for me.

[darkvare]

damn i wanna watch this movie so bad :/

[Fathom Zero]

Now that I've sat on it for a day, I feel that it doesn't seem like the best story to make a movie out of. It's only the kind of suspense a book could have.

[electric ninja]

So do you still recommend it or not?

[Fathom Zero]

It's a good movie. I just don't think you could absorb something like the Watchmen in just three hours.

I recommend the movie and to read the comic if you haven't. Srsly good, but don't see the movie and then never read it.

[The Leader]

It's just Watchmen. There's no 'the' in the title.:\

[Fathom Zero]

Forgive me, ass, but it feels very awkward. I'll augment my speech from here on out.

[The Leader]

Thank you. Thank you for being correct.

[Guitar Woman]

THEY WERE NEVER REFERRED TO AS "THE WATCHMEN" IN THE COMIC IN FACT THE WORD "WATCHMEN" WAS NEVER EVEN SPOKEN OR WRITTEN IN FULL NERD RAGE HARF HARF

[Fathom Zero]

They mention the name in the movie, but not the comic. So it's kinda weird.

[Dr. Boogie]

What are you talking about? They had that scene where the rioters spraypainted "who watches the watchmen?" on a wall during a flashback.

[Guitar Woman]

How do I tongue-in-cheek'd

Actually, though, the "Who watches the Watchmen" grafitti was always either never shown in full or left unfinished; neither crimefighting team was called "The Watchmen," and the only times in the comic that "watchmen" appears fully printed is in the title and chapter quotes.

I'm not bothered by it but all the serious fans of the comic I know are shitting their pants over the movie doing this. And pretty much the entire movie in general.

[Tadao]

Who Fans the Fanboy!

[Zomboid]

Ok, enough humoring gw.

I'm going to the Edmonton premiere for this tomorrow. Pretty excited :O

[The Leader]

I'm not bothered by it but all the serious fans of the comic I know are shitting their pants over the movie doing this. And pretty much the entire movie in general.

I don't get that, it's not like the comic itself will be changed or something. I liked the film adaptation of V For Vendetta because it was a good movie, in my opinion, regardless of how true it was to the comic. Same deal with this. If it's good, it's good. If it sucks... I'm lying. I will weep like a baby.

[the Platinum Poppy]

I've gone from extremely sceptical about the whole project to being excited about it. I think it will be a good movie, although it's impossible to capture everything there is in the comic book. Hope I won't be disappointed.

[Big Papa Goat]

I had never read or heard of Watchmen when I first saw the previews and posters for this movie, and it took me about a month to realize that it wasn't a satire. Actually I'm still not really sure, because to me it still looks like a spoof of Mystery Men.
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/7348/mysterymenposter.gif

[The Leader]

It is a sort of dark satire of the superhero genre.

[Babs]

Yeah, but the question is does it have Tom Waits in it like Mystery Men does? I rest my case.

[Fathom Zero]

What are you talking about? They had that scene where the rioters spraypainted "who watches the watchmen?" on a wall during a flashback.

They never called themselves Watchmen. Outside of that one instance, I mean. They're just referred to as masked heroes.

And, instead of the Crimebusters in the comic, it's "The Watchmen", so it's all good.

[Zomboid]

They were called the Minutemen.

I just got back from the premiere. Fucking greeeeeeeat. I still prefer the graphic novel, but it's kinda like the Shining movie; the source material in both is damn near flawless and it'd be impossible to do either of them complete justice so you need to take them on their own merits.

Silk Spectre II was so hot :(

[Nick]

Someone ruin the ending for me so I don't have to go see it, I don't much care for altered endings.

[Tadao]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDHHrt6l4w&eurl=http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=38482

[Nick]

I'd watch it.

[Protoclown]

Oh god, I was hoping they didn't actually refer to them as "the Watchmen" in the movie. So I guess that means that Zack Snyder doesn't get the title at ALL... :\

[Sam]

Silk Spectre II was so hot :(

THIS IS SO TRUE. :(

[executioneer]

Oh god, I was hoping they didn't actually refer to them as "the Watchmen" in the movie. So I guess that means that Zack Snyder doesn't get the title at ALL... :\

They were called the Minutemen. :/

[Nick]

:/
They were called the Crimebusters.

[MattJack]

Saw it yesterday.

It is aight for what it is. Like FZ said, it is kind of hard to make the graphic novel into a movie. There is just so many little things in the book that they didn't (and couldn't) put in the movie due to time constraints. You never really get the background of exactly why and how all the heroes came to be. In the book you get to read over Under The Hood to have a better understanding of everything. They basically used the opening credits (which were about three minutes) as a substitute for Under The Hood.

If I had never read Watchmen then to be honest I probably wouldn't have cared too much for the movie. I feel like the movie compliments the novel. But isn't it always the case with a book to movie?

It was real eye candy though. It is def worth 13.50 (IMAX), a few pints of ale (if your theater lets you bring in drinks), and three hours of your time though!

[captain516]

Only problem I had with it was the ending, where Dr. Manhattan just says goodbye to Laurie and leaves, never telling Ozymandias that "Nothing ever ends." But the rest ofr the movie was so damn perfect I can forgive that.

[Fathom Zero]

Yeah, I kinda missed that. Veidt's a fucking dick. He needed to get smacked somehow.

[Fathom Zero]

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4568/5joecorsi.jpg

[MattJack]

Priceless.

[Dr. Boogie]

Yeah, I kinda missed that. Veidt's a fucking dick. He needed to get smacked somehow.

You're kidding, right?

He gets the crap beaten out of him by Nite Owl, and then the guy tells him how he screwed everything up. For my money, that's way better than some offhanded comment from a guy who doesn't really care.

[darkvare]

i loved it the changed ending didn't bother me much and tricky dick's nose made me laugh

[BurntToShreds]

tricky dick's nose made me laugh

Yeah, that was all I could see when he was on screen. That, and Nixon from Futurama and his "ARRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!" whenever I heard his voice.

[executioneer]

ugh they did actually call themselves "the watchmen" in the movie n/m my prior comment


and i was kind of pissed off that rorschach killed the dude who fed the little girl to his dogs with a cleaver, what the fuck happened to letting him try and chop thru his own leg or whatever >: WHY CHAIN HIM IF YOU'RE JUST GONNA SPLIT HIS MELON DUDE

also, wtf was with some of the line changes, "your hands, my pleasure"? gay

and there was some inconsistency with a couple of nite owls lines but i can't remember it exactly now, something like the first time he said something he said it comic-book wrong but the second time he mentioned whatever it was correct and it made me crazy but then the rorschach stuff being off just pushed it to the side

[Fathom Zero]

You're kidding, right?

Meh. He didn't look touched enough, to me. Not REALLY hurt. But I guess we're at odds with a lot of stuff about this movie, so take that with a grain of salt, I guess.

[wobzire]

That was rape. I have nothing positive to say.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

From just watching the movie and not reading the GN I have a question.

In prison...
When Rorschach ties the fat inmates hands to the bar was it really necessary to cut BOTH his arms off with a buzzsaw. Wouldn't one be enough to free him? Was that added for the movie?

[executioneer]

it was in the original. or at least i remember them killing the dude, whether or not it was by buzzsaw idk

[The Leader]

In the comic he was blocking the lock so they just cut his throat and burned through him with the blow torch they had.

[Fathom Zero]

As I recall, they had a key. And the man blocked it. I guess Zack Snyder and Co. decided to save time for the cinema crowd.

[executioneer]

lol @ dr boogies fake review of this movie

[The Leader]

As I recall, they had a key. And the man blocked it. I guess Zack Snyder and Co. decided to save time for the cinema crowd.
They used a blowtorch on the lock.

[darkvare]

They used a blowtorch on the lock.
and thats why they changed it cause blow torches don't use electricity i think

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

lol @ dr boogies fake review of this movie

That's what I was thinking

Dr. Boogie
Those who have read the comic will recall the scene when Rorshach was captured by the police. It was a great scene where he wards off SWAT team members with an improvised flamethrower, lights an apartment on fire, and jumps out of a window, only to injure himself and land in police custody. The film, however, changes this scene considerably. Rather than being caught while investigating a possible lead, Rorshach is caught when, while watching a news report on a TV in a window display, he accidentally smashes the window with a frustrated headbutt. He gets away from the police initially, but then the police spot him peeping out of his hiding place inside a post office dropbox. It was all too much, especially the following scene where they simply airlift the entire mailbox directly to the police station.

I skimmed through the review and this part didn't make any sense to me. At first I thought that Boogie watched a version of the movie they later changed. Then I was thinking he just made some stuff up.

[Tadao]

I want to flame people in there, but I will only get my posts deleted :(

[Mockery]

It's certainly a possibility :picklehat

[executioneer]

thats why i lolled at it in this thread instead, dont wanna ruin the fun

[Nick]

I hope they make the Black Freighter look like an animated comic book.

[LittleDollClaudia]

I saw it, I liked it. The ending was all right, I just don't like how they made a certain character look like a douche because of it. But that's just my opinion.

Again, as everyone is saying, it is extremely difficult to take every single bit of the comic and put it into the movie.

I was sorta hoping they would have done the "in thing" which is a trilogy. Then, you could have had everything in it.

What I think is the saddest thing about it is that it will have an excellent first week, but it won't be a blockbuster. Only us nerds and weirdos will make the journey to see it, whereas the vanilla people would rather watch Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson in "Race To Witch Mountain."

:sigh:

[darkvare]

I hope they make the Black Freighter look like an animated comic book.
is already on blu-ray and dvd i think it has do the evolutin kind of animation with gerard buttler as the voice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zUgBK0-qbo

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

Only us nerds and weirdos will make the journey to see it, whereas the vanilla people would rather watch Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson in "Race To Witch Mountain."

:sigh:

:lol I thought you meant Honkeys at first.

[Dr. Boogie]

With all the tiny changes that nerds are seizing upon, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Comedian's scar. In the comic, it was a huge, disfiguring one that truncated his cheek, but in the movie, it was just a little scratch.

[Ant10708]

I am a fan of the graphic novel and this movie. I think the director did as good a job as could be done translating the material. I agree it was weird how for some parts he would religiously stay true to the source material and for other scenes it seemed he changed things for no reason but I am not going to blow my nerd gasket and start bitching on internet forums. I agreed with whoever said it really complements the novel. I imagine if I was unfamialr with the comics that this movie would have seemed slightly confusing because I felt that everything kind of just happened without much explanation to the audience. The movie was great but still can't be touched by Dark Knight. I also didn't feel the movie felt long but I think that has to do with being a fan of the comics because other people I went with said it dragged at times.

I was so happy they didn't change the era to like modern day terrorism thou. Then I would have blown a nerd gasket.

[Dr. Boogie]

This could go in the Youtube thread, but it's more relevant here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDHHrt6l4w&feature=dir

Intro to the Watchmen cartoon.

[Nick]

is already on blu-ray and dvd i think it has do the evolutin kind of animation with gerard buttler as the voice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zUgBK0-qbo
Looks like garbage.

This could go in the Youtube thread, but it's more relevant here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDHHrt6l4w&feature=dir

Intro to the Watchmen cartoon.
Someone posted it back on page 2.

[90's Child]

Well, to be honest, I've never read the Graphic Novel (although I know that I really, really should), and I thought the movie was pretty good. Not as good as the Dark Knight, but still pretty good. Rorshrach was a badass. And I think the whole quibble about the squid is just silly nitpicking. They changed the words, but the song's still the same. Although, from what I know, it does introduce some problems plotwise, and people may have a point about it, but it's not a movie-ruiner.

Here's hoping that it actually succeeds, although from the box office and the fact that dumbass parents who saw it with their kids walked out doesn't look like a good sign.

[electric ninja]

Here's another Watchmen cartoon, the unofficial trailer

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/485903

[Tadao]

As soon as I saw Squidworth I turned it off. That was gay.

[Cedar]

i need to find a link to watch this online ASAP

[Schimid]

Saw it. I have no idea how I feel about it.

It's definitely a GOOD movie, but is is GREAT? I think it's an excellent complement to the movie but on it's own...I dunno.

Did anyone else wonder why the hell they included Bubestas (or however the hell you spell it) when Veidt wasn't experimenting with genetically mutated animals to begin with? I wish I could've seen it opening night just to hear people go OH GOD WHAT IS THAT WHAT THE HELL

I can't recall, but did Veidt give those people cancer in the original book? I didn't think he did, but I could be wrong. More of a curiosity than anything.

Also, the sex scene was graphic. Reeeeeally graphic. I'm not complaining but God it felt out of place.

[The Leader]

Yes to the cancer, and agree about the genetics. Did you also hear the woman mention ordering the four legged chicken in the restaurant as well?

[LordSappington]

I really wasn't impressed with the book or movie. The only good thing about it was I got in free.

[Misdemonar]

I really wasn't impressed with the book or movie. The only good thing about it was I got in free.

RAGE

[Tadao]

I have never read the comic. YEAH I SAID COMIC!

Just watched it tonight and I really love the beginning with the Dylan song. I think it was pretty dam long for a movie sitting, and I was even in a comfy chair with a vodka and a Guinness. Never the less, it was the best movie I've seen in a while. Sadly I connect with the Comedian.

[Sacks]

Yes to the cancer, and agree about the genetics. Did you also hear the woman mention ordering the four legged chicken in the restaurant as well?

I'm glad I wasn't the only one.

[Ant10708]

Sadly I connect with the Comedian.
No you don't. The comedian isn't a complete dumbass

[Tadao]

Lol, you have the stink of a fanboy.

[the Platinum Poppy]

I saw the movie yesterday. It's not like it's my all-time greatest movie experience or anything, but I liked it. It was fun watching the comic come to life. Rorsach is absolutely great in the movie... and I think Dr Manhattan was great too, it became even more obvious how disconnected he is from normal humanity when everyone else looks human and he's a glowing CGI freak. In the book he looks like everyone else except blue and with white eyes, since they're all pictures drawn in the same style,but in the movie he's way more different. And just like Gollum in LOTR they somehow managed to convey lots of emotions and character through a CGI.

I think you understood Sally Jupiter's character in the comic book, here too much was cut out, you didn't get a grip on her. But it was inevitable to leave large chunks out when making a movie for the theatres. And apparently loads and loads of stuff will be put in the DVD edition. My only real complaint is that the fighting scenes look like Hong Kong action stuff. That was a stupid decision, given that the whole premis for the book and the movie is "what would the world be like if real people dressed up in costumes to fight crime?". Well, according to the movie they would all gain superpowers to some extent. Silly.
There was only one point where the movie made a smart decision about a fight scene, and that's at the end when Ozymandias catches a bullet in his hand. In the comic book he actually catches it in his bare hand, and suddenly comes off as a genuinely superpowered being. In the movie he's got a glove on, that looks like it has some layer of kevlar or the like in the palm which the bullet is caught in. So he still comes off as extremely fast, with reflexes way beyond the average human being, but still not invulnerable. . And although it's probably blasphemy for a comic book nerd to say this, I think the slightly changed ending was an improvement.

But the movie would probably have been a greater experience if I hadn't read the book first, so I didn't know in advance what would happen. Everyone who has read the book first says the movie must be incomprehensible if you haven't. But reviews from people who actually haven't read the book seem to be largely positive, they think it's very exciting and interesting to see how the plot evolves but not at all impossible to follow. So... I think us people who have read the book just have trouble imagining what it would be like without that knowledge.

[Ant10708]

Lol, you have the stink of a fanboy.
I didn't know taking the oppurtunity to call you an idiot was an indication of being a fanboy of watchmen. Most people don't connect with amoral vigilantes who are guilty of rape and murder, and I assume someone claiming they do is lying and an idiot.

[Tadao]

Wait, now the comedian is a complete dumbass? Make up your mind.

[Tadao]

Better yet, keep it to yourself, I never cared about anything you have typed, why should I care now.

[Sacks]

I can't get enough of that panda's ass.

[The Leader]

I know, every time that I log on, that fuzzy white rump just beckons my eyes to gaze upon it. It’s a spiritual experience, really.

[ScruU2wice]

I thought the movie ending was way better than the book ending. I fucking hated he ending of the book because no one argued with Ozymandias in any intellectual way.



Giant alien attack on Earth was totally unearned. it was totally random and not well elaborated at all. It reminds me of the story of the gunner trapped in the bottom turret of a WWII bomber and the way he ends up being saved is "magical" balloon tires he makes with his imagination so the plane doesn't have to make a belly landing. That's fucking stupid and you give the audience no reason to believe that's going to happen.

But more over, How long do you think you're gonna scare two nation on the brink of war with one isolated alien attack? it's only as much of a bandaid as scaring people with big blue. I cannot stand that when 'the smartest man in the world' comes up with a completely fallable logic, 3 people nod and agree and the other throws a hissy fit and runs out into the snow.



I know I bitch about this all the time, but it is my only beef with the entire book.

And the music in the movie was hilariously out of place. I don't understand why the entire soundtrack was constructed from my high school soccer coaches 'hit's of the 60's' iTunes playlist.

[Sacks]

It wasn't so much as a hissy fit as it was a "Well this is stupid and wrong I'm going to go do something about it."

Also, a lot of the music they used was taken from the book.

[Dr. Boogie]

I'm with Scru. The ending of the Watchmen comic pissed me off.

The way Veidt completely dominates both Nite Owl and Rorshach in a fight to the point that he doesn't even have to stop his long-winded speech, and then all the characters acquiesce to his evil plan almost immediately. And two of them just have sex right there.