WE FIGHT FOR FREEDOM! but have none.

[Dimnos]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31911204/ns/health-health_care/

WTF is this shit!


A Pentagon-commissioned report urges the Defense Department to ban smoking in the military, even by combat troops in battle zones, a proposal that quickly ignited a controversy among service members.

Words can not express how much BULL SHIT this is. >:

[Tadao]

Well, it would make for better soldiers.

[VaporTrailx1]

So it's not shrapnel or gunfire that's killing our soldiers, it's been that damn secondhand smoke the whole time?

[Fathom Zero]

Fuck that shit, yo.

It's 1620 somewhere.

[Dimnos]

Fuck that shit, yo.

It's 1620 somewhere.

In the Afghani opium fields its always 1620. ;)

[Tadao]

If soldiers don't smoke, their lung capacity won't be severely decreased by tar. I'm really suprised the military hasn't done this earlier. If you signed up for the military to have rights while you are there, WELL BIG SURPRISE SON! You are the property of the united states of america and they will tell you what you can and can't do and maybe you should have stayed home with your two fathers in san francisco if you wanted to suck on fags all day long.

[The Leader]

:lol

[Colonel Flagg]

[...] maybe you should have stayed home with your two fathers in san francisco if you wanted to suck on fags all day long.

Don't ask, don't tell.

[VaporTrailx1]

if they're going to do that can they atleast be logical and lower the drinking age to 18 or raise enlistment age to 21?

[Tadao]

Who wants soldiers that are past manipulation and have bad livers? Not I.

[executioneer]

they should ban soldiers from drinking, too. IT IS NOT A PARTY ZONE, COLLEGE AGE KIDS

[Zhukov]

There was a TV show here for a while called The Hollowmen, it was a comedy about some high ranking government type guys who screwed things up and generally had a laugh yada yada yada. Anyway, these guys were tasked to make a new army recruitment advertisment to appeal to teenagers nowadays, and they basically came up with an ad showing exactly what military life was NOT like, i.e young people partying and having fun, drinking, dancing and spending time with friends of both sexes. It was funny because it was a total lie, all the army type men hated it, but the government went ahead and put it on TV because it would suck stupid impressionable teens into the army.


Anyway, about three weeks ago we got a new Navy recruitment ad on TV:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR8WMESmeoE

which is almost the same as what a satire TV show thought up.

[Tadao]

:lol The U.S. has some misleading ads as well. Makes it look like ROTC. Like you only do the hard stuff 2 days a week.

[Fathom Zero]

Around here, the "fresh-faced" recruits make it look like some sort of football team. I don't like these guys. I do take satisfaction in the fact that they're forbidden to drive.

[The Leader]

THE NAVY: Guns and fun!

[VaporTrailx1]

Us smokers tried to be nice. But it's never enough is it?

[Dimnos]

If they are old enough to fight and die for our country they are old enough to decide for themselves if they want to smoke or not.

[Tadao]

If they joined the forces they sre not allowed to decide for themselves.

[Fathom Zero]

'Tis true, really.

People bitch and moan all they want, but they're the ones that signed themselves up to be a meat puppet for their country to do as they see fit with 'em.

[kahljorn]

BOTH SIDES HAVE VALID POINTS, BUT ULTIMATELY SIGNING SHIT DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING UNLESS BACKED BY A COERCIVE FORCE AND EVEN THEN IT DOESNT REALLY MEAN ANYTHING ESPECIALLY IF ITS MAKING DEMANDS THAT ARE TOO HIGH TO PAY.
ALSO YOU COULD SAY AT THE TIME OF SIGNING SMOKING WAS ALLOWED SO THEY ARE JUST CHANGING THE CONTRACT STUFF I DUNNO WHO CARES.

[VaporTrailx1]

so anyone who signed before the bill passes should be grandfathered in. good way to piss off the FNGs lol

[Dimnos]

All I know is if I was out in the field getting shot at I would lite up. Fuck em. What are they going to do? Send me home? I would be REALLY surprised if a CO would actually do much if you were caught smoking.

[VaporTrailx1]

The army without cigs would be like the Russian navy without vodka.

[Tadao]

Smoking while in a gunfight? You might as well wear a target and jump up and down.

[Dimnos]

Not while actually in a gun fight.

[Fathom Zero]

Join a paramilitary. Shop around for your brand of war. If you don't like the Army's contract, there'll probably be someone else that'll take a smoker.

I suggest a Draft. Kinda like the NFL draft.

[VaporTrailx1]

Wait till the corporations start their own armies. That's when the real fun'll start. Microsoft will have the SkyNET HK's and shit.

[Dr. Boogie]

All I know is if I was out in the field getting shot at I would lite up. Fuck em. What are they going to do? Send me home? I would be REALLY surprised if a CO would actually do much if you were caught smoking.

Don't they give soldiers little syrettes of morphine? Or is that just the medics? If so, definitely make friends with the medics.


Anyway, there was a news story in my local paper a few days after this thread was started saying that noone would be pursuing this policy.

[lovely09]

I guess they were just trying to make the soldiers as healthy as they can be or make them focus in times of battle.I don't think soldiers will have time to smoke if their whole environment is in war.

[MrSmiley381]

Look to the left.

See that? It's the Lucky Strikes logo. Smoked by the average American soldier in World War II. These things were put in military rations. Why? Everybody smoked. If you didn't, you traded them for a hot dog.

I'm no soldier, but I smoke these things out of respect for every veteran in every war. When my cousin leaves for Iraq, he's getting a US Army Zippo, a pack of Lucky Strikes, and a cigarette case. Zippos have stopped enemy bullets before, so I can only hope I can give him something potentially useful.

Oh, and just so everyone knows, soldiers are so fit that smoking doesn't even really matter.

[Tadao]

That's stupid, don't be stupid.

[Dr. Boogie]

Look to the left.

See that? It's the Lucky Strikes logo. Smoked by the average American soldier in World War II. These things were put in military rations. Why? Everybody smoked. If you didn't, you traded them for a hot dog.

The irony is now, convicts trade cigarettes to avoid a hot dog.

I'm no soldier, but I smoke these things out of respect for every veteran in every war. When my cousin leaves for Iraq, he's getting a US Army Zippo, a pack of Lucky Strikes, and a cigarette case. Maybe you should go the other way and donate money to the Yellow Ribbon Fund?

Zippos have stopped enemy bullets before, so I can only hope I can give him something potentially useful.Hopefully, his flak jacket will take care of that for him.

Oh, and just so everyone knows, soldiers are so fit that smoking doesn't even really matter.

That is a dumb, stupid thing to say.

[stevetothepast]

Look to the left.

See that? It's the Lucky Strikes logo. Smoked by the average American soldier in World War II. These things were put in military rations. Why? Everybody smoked. If you didn't, you traded them for a hot dog.

I'm no soldier, but I smoke these things out of respect for every veteran in every war.

I hate you.

[Tadao]

It's like saying "I smoke because it makes me look cool"

Personally, I smoke because I like it and I'm addicted. I smoke what gives me the best nicotine to taste ratio. Drum is my favorite. Buying a brand because it represents something is one of the reasons this nation of ours is in such a bad state.

[The Leader]

I was going to reply to MrSmiley's post, but it was so ridiculous I just assumed that he was joking. :/

[Dimnos]

http://www.vintagedepotdirect.com/media/PC22.jpg

[kahljorn]

look at that ascot

[kahljorn]

that's nice.

[skolapper]

Hi Justin,This chapter has puzzled many. The point seems merely to be that the king should be above this fondness for sword-fighting.Sorry, but thats all I can really offer.

[Dimnos]

YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME