Haiti

[Tadao]

I bet the Red Cross rips off everyone again.

:(

[Tadao]

I expected to see racism appear, but dam, Pat Robertson went in a direction I didn't expect.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/controversial-comment-amid-haiti-tragedy-17622627

[kahljorn]

I'm not sure if Red cross ripped anyone off, actually I think it was the people who worked in the call centers that were ripping people off :( my girlfriend worked there.

rush limbaugh kinda made a racist comment ;/

[kahljorn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1HO1bdMnwQ
how come my embeddings never work :(
lol
anyway, all the crackheads and crazy people I might've mentioned before were the ones they hired to work at red cross call centers ;/

[executioneer]

oh man i was gonna make an ironic comment about how they deserved it because of messing with voodoo, way to be a living joke p. robertson

[Zhukov]

Certainly haven't heard much about Haiti lately. Not since they had all the civil strife and presidential upheavals a while back.

[elx]

it's nice that our government takes care of us, but i don't really like that searching for american citizens is the top priority. it should just be saving people in general :(

[Tadao]

It's funny how some of the "smartest" people are texting donations to the red cross.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

THE RED CROSS BE HAITI'N

[Zhukov]

it's nice that our government takes care of us, but i don't really like that searching for american citizens is the top priority. it should just be saving people in general :(

I think 'giving the impression of aid to the most amount of it's own citizens' is probably closer to the top priority.

[El Blanco]

So, Haiti's government decided this would be a good time for a vacation?

[kahljorn]

Seriously?

[The One and Only...]

My bro tells me that Haiti is poor as shit. I believe him.

[Tadao]

Of all the threads in all the forums in all the world, he posts in mine.

[The One and Only...]

All I'm saying is that whitie got the guns. All that Vodou shit doesn't stand up to firepower. Neither does martial arts. Stupid fucking Chinese boxers.

[Tadao]

I knew you wouldn't get it. :rolleyes

[The One and Only...]

That's probably because I didn't read the article or thread.

[Grislygus]

God, he can't even manage fascetious

[Colonel Flagg]

:rolleyes

[Geggy]

What can Halliburton do to help Haiti?

[Colonel Flagg]

If they would only discover oil there, they'd be alright?

[Dimnos]

Does no one care about all that precious sugarcane and rum manufacturing? :tear

[Pentegarn]

They should care about the sugarcane, Brazil found a way to make sugar ethanol and make it cost effective.

[Kitsa]

I was getting pissed off watching reports of the Golden Globes last night and having all the Hollywood idiots going, "Now let's all remember Haiti and wear this ribbon..."

Fuck you and fuck your stupid ribbon.

[Colonel Flagg]

Fuck you and fuck your stupid ribbon.

They should TOTALLY make a ribbon for that. ;)

[Kitsa]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20100119/cm_huffpost/427247

Cruise ship docks in Haiti, drops off a few pallets of supplies...and then passengers have a fun barbecue on the beach.

[Colonel Flagg]

Definitely a "WTF?" moment.

Dancing, a luau and people dying horribly. Great combo.

[Dimnos]

"We payed good money for this vacation. We shouldnt be punished because they decided to die. >:"

[Ant10708]

So you don't want people to spend money to vacation in Haiti because of the earthquake?

I understand it appears in poor taste with dead bodies lying everywhere but the country needs all the business it can get for its horrible economy and I'm sure now more then ever they need foreign businesses to continue to invest in their country.

And should people also stop all their vacations to the Dominican republic too out of respect for the Haitians? I mean its on the same small island as the quake victims.

Whats the difference now that there was a natural disaster opposed to the man made one that the Haitians have been living in for decades while the world let them suffer in silence. I mean before the earthquake was it any better for rich westerners to be vacationing in a private resort while the majority of the population lived poverty stricken lives? We do the same thing with Jamaica. We enjoy their beaches while the country dies and becomes a breeding ground for gangs and drug cartels and that won't stop because of some earthquake.

If the world really gave a shit about haiti or poor people in general they would fix the infrasture of these shitty coutnries before the natural diasters hit and turn a shitty situation into an unbeliveable shittier one.

[elx]

If the world really gave a shit about haiti or poor people in general they would fix the infrasture of these shitty coutnries before the natural diasters hit and turn a shitty situation into an unbeliveable shittier one.
yeah seriously. it's receiving so much attention that everyone wants to do good while we're still watching.

it's a good thing that they didn't cancel their trip to this resort either. it was on the other side of the island and had been planned well in advance. screw everyone whose making a shit storm out of it, because now these cruises and foreign travel businesses are going to avoid haiti for fear of criticism. once haiti has been replaced and worked out of the trips you guys can go and tell all of the out of work haitians and their children that it was out of respect.

[Dimnos]

They can still stab shoot and voodoo each other. :rolleyes

[Kitsa]

I think there are people on both sides of that particular debate who need a hearty screw you.

[Fathom Zero]

If they really didn't want to help out, they should've stayed on the boat and not gone anywhere near the ******s they apparently detest so much.

[kahljorn]

I don't really know a lot about the haitian government/wealthy but i hate them and this is probably all somehow their fault.

[Colonel Flagg]

Kahl cuts through the crap again. :rock

[Grislygus]

If the world really gave a shit about haiti or poor people in general they would fix the infrasture of these shitty coutnries before the natural diasters hit and turn a shitty situation into an unbeliveable shittier one.


ha ahaha yeah, the "America-Just-Walks-In-Ignores-The-Government-And-Fixes-Everything" Program, I hear that Pakistan and Yemen has been trying to get enrolled for YEARS. People just can't seem to get enough of United States fucking meddling, wonder why we don't do it more often

[Ant10708]

ha ahaha yeah, the "America-Just-Walks-In-Ignores-The-Government-And-Fixes-Everything" Program, I hear that Pakistan and Yemen has been trying to get enrolled for YEARS. People just can't seem to get enough of United States fucking meddling, wonder why we don't do it more often
did I say the united states? the united nations existed last time i checked

so you'd rather the united states military come to build roads after an earthquake but before an earthquake its us meddling?

[Grislygus]

did I say the united states? the united nations existed last time i checked

Oh yeah, that's a model of efficient reform right there. So you propose that the United Nations goes into a country like, oh, Jamaica or Somalia, imposes martial law and reconstructs an entire country's culture and infrastructure without ever being asked to do so. That'll go over real well.

so you'd rather the united states military come to build roads after an earthquake but before an earthquake its us meddling?

NO SHIT, SHERLOCK

[Colonel Flagg]

During the reign of one of the Duvalier's, the US was good with dumping a load of food into Haiti to support the government. Trouble was that it put many farmers out of business. So the out-of-work farmers came to the city where they were promised jobs - when the jobs didn't magically appear, they built ramshackle huts in and around the capital. [Fill in the blanks from here.]

Sometimes the best solution is to teach people to solve their own problems.

Just sayin'.

[Tadao]

Hawaii 2

[Grislygus]

"NO WAI DA UNITED NATIONS NEEDS TA MARCH IN WITH THEIR ARMY AND FIX EVERYTHING


CAUSE THEY TOTALLY DO HAVE AN ARMY, I KNOW IT





WAIT, NATO? WUZZAFUCK IZZAT?"

[Grislygus]

Hey, let's all help by funneling in guns, that's working great in Somalia :lol

[Colonel Flagg]

AMERICA!!!! F**K YEAH!!!!

[kahljorn]

The problem with us interfering with other countries is that we can never do enough. If we could just like take over and turn it into another state and kill everybody there that's a jerk/enslave the populace replace their government and start building infrastructure ourselves it would probably work out better, but instead we'll interfere in minor affairs and end up doing next to nothing.

Other than that, I agree that they're gonna have to solve their own problems. BUT IT MAKES YOU WONDER IF THESE PEOPLE CAN SOLVE THEIR OWN PROBLEMS. JESUS CHRIST.

[Ant10708]

I don't see the concept of the United Nations performing acts like paving roads and building hospitals with actual foundations in poor countries to be so completely outrageous and mock worthy.

impose martial law, and reconstruct the culture is obviously stuff your mind made up because you get jumpy and think colonialism when any country gets involved with another.

[Colonel Flagg]

That's all well and good, but without doctors, nurses and knowledgeable staff for the hospitals or engineers to maintain the roadways (and adequate security for both) we'll find that all our good intentions go for naught. Plus, if we do all the work, with our contractors and our equipment, then leave - what has changed really? We have a desperately poor society with a really good hospital and some cool roads. How long do you think that hospital or those roadways are going to be useful in that situation.

We're right now trying to do this in Iraq. How is that working out?

My point stands - teach the people to solve their own problems their own way. Give them the tools to allow them to make their own decisions about how to go about fixing their country. Knowledge is power.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

They can still stab shoot and voodoo each other. :rolleyes


:lol This just replaced rock paper scissors forever with me.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

My point stands - teach the people to solve their own problems their own way. Give them the tools to allow them to make their own decisions about how to go about fixing their country. Knowledge is power.


Not to be negative or offtopic but that's what we did with Iraq in the early 90's and then they started the Taliban right?

[Colonel Flagg]

Nope. We gave Saddam Hussein guns and ammo in the '80s so he could bomb Iran, but he ended up bombing the Kurds. Then he took it a step further annexing our oil in Kuwait, which resulted in our slapping him on the wrist and making him promise to never do it again.

We started the Taliban also in the early '80s when the USSR was getting their butts handed to them in Afghanistan (and we here were calling it their "Vietnam"). Aid was funnelled to the "northern alliance" which was really a bunch of tribal leaders who hated each other, but hated the Russians more. The Taliban was formed out of that group.

By tools I was referring to intellectual property - education, teachers, books - not AK-47s, F17s, RPGs and assorted chemical warheads.

I fully admit I'm living in "DREAMLAND". In retrospect, you are correct, it's the latter that we end up providing.

[The Leader]

Not to be negative or offtopic but that's what we did with Iraq in the early 90's and then they started the Taliban right?
THE WAR IN IRAQ WAS CLEARLY JUSTIFIED THEN

[The Leader]

I KNEW W WOULDN'T LIE TO ME

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

I'm completely with you on the former though. That would assuredly help more in the long run but the latter is easier to dispense and see change with.

Change = something different as opposed to something better.

[Grislygus]

I don't see the concept of the United Nations performing acts like paving roads and building hospitals with actual foundations in poor countries to be so completely outrageous and mock worthy.

Oh, okay. That makes sense, you were just talking about run-of-the-mill aids packages, only more practical and hands-on than the usual liberal bullshit. Yeah, that would definitely be far more effective than the current policy of ignoring poverty-stricken areas. This was my mistake, it sounded like you were actually-
impose martial law, and reconstruct the culture is obviously stuff your mind made up because you get jumpy and think colonialism when any country gets involved with another.What? You want a governing body with no standing army to invade a country and impose martial law because it's a shithole? You do realize that there are LAWS, right? That have international implications? because they are INTERNATIONAL LAWS? No, of course you don't. That's just gibberish to you. Same with "standing army". You see United Nations forces on television and can't discern the difference, because you have the intellectual capacity of a twelve year old.

Reconstruct the culture? How? What's the goddamn plan? Whaddaya gonna do, give them suits? Enact Apharteid and import Dutchmen? Abduct children in the night and send them to English boarding schools, what? You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

What, does your personal fantasy involve the sudden change in centuries of behavior and the mud peoples' newfound love for their white saviors? Wait, you do, because you made the point of specifically mentioning colonialism.

You don't understand human psychology, you don't even know what the word 'anthropology' means, you live in a fantasy world and are the type of uncomfortable retard that regularly (and unknowingly) embarrasses themselves whenever they try to discuss politics in social settings.

[Tadao]

n/m

[Dimnos]

We should just draft all the Haitians and drop them off in Iraq and Afghanistan. They get food shelter and a job while we get more solders. Win win.

[Colonel Flagg]

It seems I heard that before, but the subject was illegal immigrants. I think the speaker was either Hannity, Coulter or O'Reilly.

[Dimnos]

:(

[Colonel Flagg]

Change = something different as opposed to something better.

:(

[Tadao]

The Taliban has more to offer them than we do.

[Grislygus]

I dunno, they're ripping up graves and holy sites in Somalia

WAY TO ENDEAR YOURSELVES, GUYS

[Ant10708]

That's all well and good, but without doctors, nurses and knowledgeable staff for the hospitals or engineers to maintain the roadways (and adequate security for both) we'll find that all our good intentions go for naught. Plus, if we do all the work, with our contractors and our equipment, then leave - what has changed really? We have a desperately poor society with a really good hospital and some cool roads. How long do you think that hospital or those roadways are going to be useful in that situation.

We're right now trying to do this in Iraq. How is that working out?

My point stands - teach the people to solve their own problems their own way. Give them the tools to allow them to make their own decisions about how to go about fixing their country. Knowledge is power. Things like paved roads and hospitals that don't pile the dead in the hallways are things that might attract foreign investment which can lead to many jobs and opportunities for the people. And there are plenty of missionary doctors and nurses that I'm sure already worked in Haiti.

Also we didn't make the taliban in the 80s. They didn't exist in the 80s. The taliban formed out of the fundamentalists schools that the mujaheddin set up during soviett occupation.

[Ant10708]

This was my mistake, it sounded like you were actually-
What? You want a governing body with no standing army to invade a country and impose martial law because it's a shithole? You do realize that there are LAWS, right? That have international implications? because they are INTERNATIONAL LAWS? No, of course you don't. That's just gibberish to you. Same with "standing army". You see United Nations forces on television and can't discern the difference, because you have the intellectual capacity of a twelve year old.

Reconstruct the culture? How? What's the goddamn plan? Whaddaya gonna do, give them suits? Enact Apharteid and import Dutchmen? Abduct children in the night and send them to English boarding schools, what? You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

What, does your personal fantasy involve the sudden change in centuries of behavior and the mud peoples' newfound love for their white saviors? Wait, you do, because you made the point of specifically mentioning colonialism.

You don't understand human psychology, you don't even know what the word 'anthropology' means, you live in a fantasy world and are the type of uncomfortable retard that regularly (and unknowingly) embarrasses themselves whenever they try to discuss politics in social settings. No I think you are an idiot who can't read posts. I quoted the impose martial law and change culture and pointed out thats NOT what I meant and that you are jumping to the idea of colonialism when in reality the united nations could help poor countries(that are members) without doing either of those things. I know you love reading your posts but I don't so try to read mine correctly before going on a big boring rant.

Here this can be applied to you "You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about."you live in a fantasy world and are the type of uncomfortable retard that regularly (and unknowingly) embarrasses themselves whenever they try to discuss politics in social settings."

And good job calling haitians "mudpeople". I'm sure people here take your remarks much more seriously now. I can just imagine you misreading my earlier post and getting all excited that you get to response. OMG HE SAID MARTIAL LAW AND CHANGE THE CULTURE OMG WHAT AN IDIOT. To bad I suggested neither. It be nice if the politics section of this board wasn't filled with complete tools with way to much free time on their hands to make shitty jokes on a message board or with the inability to comprehend english. Its ok to have a disscussion with a differing opinion without thinking your of supreme intellect especially when your misreading the other persons opinion. GRisygus wins. he is smartest man on internet!

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

We should just draft all the Haitians and drop them off in Iraq and Afghanistan. They get food shelter and a job while we get more solders. Win win.

Like the Irish :(

[Ant10708]

It seems I heard that before, but the subject was illegal immigrants. I think the speaker was either Hannity, Coulter or O'Reilly.
I think you are full of shit and I would humble myself to you if you proved me wrong with a link showing me that one of those three suggested that we take illegal immigrants and use them as soldiers in our wars. They've said worse I just don't believe they said this particular thing.

[Grislygus]

You don't even know what you mean! You have no clue! You bring up this condescending prattle about how if other countries REALLY cared they would have walked in and "fixed" these countries before they were hit by disasters and asked for help. This is stupid.

HELPFUL NOTE:

If a country in no way asks for foreign help in running their country

And foreign countries decides that they will intervene anyway because this country is minding its business in the wrong way, with the intention of "fixing" that country

It is a territorial invasion! It is illegal! And you HAVE TO HAVE PEACEKEEPERS IN ORDER TO KEEP YOUR CUTE LITTLE SOCIALLY-RENOVATING TASK FORCES FROM GETTING THEIR ASSES KICKED TO THE CURB

You are recommending that a government body intervenes. You are not mentioning private enterprises or charitable foundations. You mentioned the UNITED NATIONS.

COUNTRIES DO NOT WELCOME FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS TAKING OVER. I don't care if you don't think that you're talking about martial law and imperialism, you are. It is a necessity unless someone requires help. You are not taliking about "help".

You are talking the United Nations "fixing"

an entire country

without their consent.

I don't care WHAT hypothetical scenarios you bring up. "Shitholes" like Haiti, Jamaica, Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan, and Ethipia HAVE NEVER ASKED FOR FOREIGN BEAUROCRACIES TO MOVE PERSONNEL, MILITARY OR OTHERWISE, ONTO THEIR SOVERIEGN SOIL. They would FIGHT any such personnel. They would ARREST any such personnel. You cannot "fix" someone elses country without permission, and the only way to attempt it is through military force, which always fails. They never will ask for help unless an unseen natural disaster cripples their entire country. ONLY THEN is foreign intervention welcome.

If you had brought up private enterprises and charitable foundations working with the local government to improve conditions and initiate reform, your point of view would be VALID. It would also be redundant, as this is already happening in the real world.

You did not bring up private enterprises. You did not bring up charitable foundations. You didn't even bring up individuals. You certainly never, at any point, mentioned or cared about the willingness (and inevitable hostile reaction) of the local government being "fixed. You are discussing the UNITED NATIONS. You spouted off with a condescending, brainless comment about IF PEOPLE REALLY CARED and got dragged into an argument without ever thinking out your position properly


To reiterate:
-You discussed "fixing" a government, in particular governments that would NEVER cooperate
-Whether you believe that military force is required or not is irrelevant. Unless you are talking about a fantasy world where these governments WANT the United Nations to completely restructure and "fix" these same governments (which I believe you are), military force is required. It is also pointless, stupid, and morally questionable.
-The mention of the United Nations being the ones to magically "fix" "shitholes" remains retarded.

[Ant10708]

Haiti never asked the UN for help before the earthquake? Your a fucking moron and is so set on being right you are ignoring facts and comparing poor Caribbean nations to poor countries in the middle east. Also your post is way to long so I def won't be reading it.


On 23 February 2004, the United Nations Security Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council) was convened at the request of CARICOM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CARICOM)(The Caribbean Community (CARICOM)), is an organization of 15 Caribbean nations and dependencies. for the first time in four years to address the deteriorating situation in Haiti.

On 30 April 2004, MINUSTAH was established and given its mandate with a military component of up to 6,700 troops.

MINUSTAH, an acronym (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym) of the French translation, is a United Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations)peacekeeping (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peacekeeping) mission in Haiti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti) that has been in operation since 2004. The mission's military component is led by the Brazilian Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Army). The force commander is Brazilian. The current UN mission is authorized until October 15, 2010. The force is composed of 8,940 military personnel and 3,711 police, supported by an international civilian personnel, a local civilian staff and United Nations Volunteers.

In July the General Assembly authorized the financing of the mission with $200 million. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Stabilization_Mission_in_Haiti#cite _note-UN_ARES58311-23)which followed a donors' conference in Washington DC.

In September the interim president of Haiti, Boniface Alexandre, spoke to the United Nations General Assembly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly) in support of MINUSTAH. Haiti giving their consent! Wow you were wrong and a total tool!


grisygus you seem to be an asshole who is intent on being right even though you don't have your facts right. So the haitians have been fighting the brazilian led militray and police forces in their country? Funny I never heard about that. Must of been lost in all the headlines about them arresting un personnel lol. your a fucking moron and I'm done with this thread so please spare everyone else and stop responding. good luck haiti

[Colonel Flagg]

It seems I heard that before, but the subject was illegal immigrants. I think the speaker was either Hannity, Coulter or O'Reilly.
I think you are full of shit and I would humble myself to you if you proved me wrong with a link showing me that one of those three suggested that we take illegal immigrants and use them as soldiers in our wars. They've said worse I just don't believe they said this particular thing.

http://brennerworld.blogware.com/BlogEntries/Foghorn_Leghorn.gif

Boy! I said BOY! That was a JOKE son, a JOKE!

I promise to never try to inject humor in what is obviously a very serious discussion.

[Ant10708]

http://brennerworld.blogware.com/BlogEntries/Foghorn_Leghorn.gif

Boy! I said BOY! That was a JOKE son, a JOKE!

I promise to never try to inject humor in what is obviously a very serious discussion.

Like I said before it could of been true.Hannity and Coulter have said worse so I wasn't sure if I just missed this.

[Tadao]

You, missing a JOKE? Shut up!

[Colonel Flagg]

Also we didn't make the taliban in the 80s. They didn't exist in the 80s. The taliban formed out of the fundamentalists schools that the mujaheddin set up during soviett occupation.

To the letter of the facts, you are correct, we did NOT make the Taliban. We DID, however, give aid, comfort and arms to the Mujaheddin, who DID give rise to the Taliban. But this is neither here nor there.

The point stands that, for better or worse, the government's idea of aid is, by and large, to do things FOR the impoverished and starving masses, rather than to help them subsist by giving them the EDUCATION they need to make a better life for THEMSELVES.

We are more likely to give them military advisors than we are to give them teachers and doctors. Look at Iraq - our main objective in educating the people there is to give them weapons and create a police force. That's the quick fix - anything else requires a lot of patience, something most governments are lacking. :(

[Ant10708]

I know! I should just assume everyone is joking all the time on these boards even when discussing natural disasters on the politics forum. Silly me



I agree colonel flagg. However, don't you know that you aren't allowed to suggest solutions to the world's problems when discussing the world's problems! Come on!

[Tadao]

I still suggest turning it into Hawaii 2

[Ant10708]

:lol BEST JOKE EVER! HAWAII2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Grislygus]

Haiti never asked the UN for help before the earthquake? Your a fucking moron and is so set on being right you are ignoring facts and comparing poor Caribbean nations to poor countries in the middle east. Also your post is way to long so I def won't be reading it.


On 23 February 2004, the United Nations Security Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council) was convened at the request of CARICOM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CARICOM)(The Caribbean Community (CARICOM)), is an organization of 15 Caribbean nations and dependencies. for the first time in four years to address the deteriorating situation in Haiti.

HAITI

WAS NOT ASKING FOR HELP

THEY WERE TRYING TO STOP HAITI FROM LEAVING, YOU SLOPPY CUNT

On 30 April 2004, MINUSTAH was established and given its mandate with a military component of up to 6,700 troops.

MINUSTAH, an acronym (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym) of the French translation, is a United Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations)peacekeeping (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peacekeeping) mission in Haiti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti) that has been in operation since 2004. The mission's military component is led by the Brazilian Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Army). The force commander is Brazilian. The current UN mission is authorized until October 15, 2010. The force is composed of 8,940 military personnel and 3,711 police, supported by an international civilian personnel, a local civilian staff and United Nations Volunteers.

In July the General Assembly authorized the financing of the mission with $200 million. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Stabilization_Mission_in_Haiti#cite _note-UN_ARES58311-23)which followed a donors' conference in Washington DC.

In September the interim president of Haiti, Boniface Alexandre, spoke to the United Nations General Assembly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly) in support of MINUSTAH. Haiti giving their consent! Wow you were wrong and a total tool!

So after all of this time of you being so full of RAGE that I was stupid enough to say that reconstruction would require military backing, and that would fail to solve the country's problems

You bring up the ironclad example that completely proves my point?

What in the blue blazes is wrong with you?

grisygus you seem to be an asshole who is intent on being right even though you don't have your facts right. So the haitians have been fighting the brazilian led militray and police forces in their country? Funny I never heard about that. Must of been lost in all the headlines about them arresting un personnel lol. your a fucking moron and I'm done with this thread so please spare everyone else and stop responding. good luck haiti

Dawwww, shucks. Now tell us how you really feel.

[Tadao]

:lol BEST JOKE EVER! HAWAII2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How is that a joke?

You think serious solutions are a joke, then you think jokes are serious.

I bet you use a fake disease to explain your social retardation.

[Grislygus]

Getting kicked in the head by a horse

[Colonel Flagg]

I agree colonel flagg. However, don't you know that you aren't allowed to suggest solutions to the world's problems when discussing the world's problems! Come on!

Can I just say that I find this statement confusing without you blowing a gasket?

Yes, I am a believer in Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs: you need the basics of food, water, shelter and medical care before you can advance to any higher-order functioning, such as education, or infrastrucure. And those individuals experiencing this horrendous tragedy are in desperate need of those basics. However, the immediate aid in disasters of this magnitude is usually of this ilk - food, potable water, medical care and temporary shelter. After the immediate needs are met .... well, this is where governments and individuals tend to get confused. Keep helping, and you can create another welfare state; leave too soon, and the status quo will return, and things won't get better.

So yes, I suggest a solution. It's not easy or straightforward, and it will take time that no one has, or would like to commit, but there you go. For this I make no apologies.

Peace OUT.

[Supafly345]

Have you guys seen those Haitian women on the news lately? Like every one of them have been beautiful thin babes with big tits. WE HAVE TO SAVE THIS EROTIC BLOODLINE.

[Grislygus]

AH DUNNO, i've been mainly seeing butterfaces

[Grislygus]

AH DUNNO, i've been mainly seeing butterfaces

[Tadao]

So much for Haiti Aid

[Colonel Flagg]

Time to send some money to Chile?

EDIT: That's two in one day on the "ring of fire" - or so I seem to recall from Geology 1 - which was about 100 years ago.

[Zhukov]

I like how the ring of fire dodges out of the way of Australia. Phew.

[Zhukov]

It looks like it's just going to be a "ring", and then WHAM, straight into New Zealand.

[Dimnos]

You get tsunamied yet Zhukov?

[Zhukov]

Never ever. Reasonably safe place here, apart from all the venomous and poisonous animals.

Australia is in the middle of it's own tectonic plate or something. Does the East coast of the USA get any earthquakes?

[The Leader]

I know New York city gets teeny tiny ones that no one ever notices, but other than that, no. California is where you can feel 'em. :O